User talk:MDP23/Archive4

la Russophobe
Hi there; given that this article unarguably qualified for deletion, your programme labelled it as db-nonsense when quite obviously it should have been db-attack. It still gets deleted, of course, but does your program need tweaking?--Anthony.bradbury 00:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Attack
Hi. Template for attack is db-attack. Other templates are in WP:SPEEDY. Is that what you meant?--Anthony.bradbury 00:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

ref desk bot
Science desk - edits to topics still shown on the main page are not listed in the history but at Reference desk/Archives/Science/2006 November 16 - surely this is not right? - I suspect refdeskbot, am I right?87.102.21.223 00:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply - very quick. The problem is that I used to check the edit history of the ref desk to find if anyone had added anything of interest to me. Obviously the page is too big to search through bit by bit - also doing a compare versions eg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AReference_desk%2FScience&diff=88531253&oldid=88521691 doesn't show the changes to questions over 2 days old. Obviously I could just check the archives.. Suggest that since the discussion is still on the main page (and therefore probably active) it shouldn't be archived. Could you move it back 2 days? This seems to be the offending piece of code

I hope I have explained what my problem is..


 * You could as Werdnabot does and only archive days if there has been no change for  days, for some appropriate value of  (say 1), but not before the day itself is old enough to be archived under the present regime. That would have the effect of keeping discussions unincluded on the main page as long as they are active. --Lambiam Talk  01:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * A while ago the archiving style on the Reference Desk (long before RefDeskBot) turned from straight archiving of old posts/days to separating each day right off the bat and then dealing with transcluded pages. I didn't like it much at first; I got annoyed when I got kicked off of the main page into the archives, but now I can see the benefit of it. There should be no need to load the entire current desk (the largest page on RD) when you are currently only browsing a days worth of questions. I coded the header so that it would allow you to jump back on to the current desk, and I don't see why you can't just look at the history page for the day that you're concerned about. It might not be as convenient for you, but I don't think many users browse their edits in that manner. I for one use my list of contributions to check for responses, if I don't just browse the entire page manually. freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  18:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I agree with the new system, because of potential problems with such a big page as an unarchived RD, and so I would like the bot to stay as it is ). M a rtinp23 18:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

A vote of thanks from Terence Ong
That birthday wishes made my day this weekend. I celebrated my birthday today instead of yesterday since I still had school, unfortunately. Thanks for the birthday wishes, and I greatly appreciate it. BTW, congrats on your successful RFA! Good luck with the tools and all the best for your future Wikilife and real life. Cheers --Ter e nce Ong (C 14:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on attaining adminship. However, spamming talk pages will make people think otherwise. Best regards, &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  {L} 14:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, Martin, and all the best with your adminship. I'm sure you will do very well. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 15:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC) My hearty Congratulations and best wishes. Nileena joseph (Talk 15:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations!! -- Lost (talk) 15:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Martin, and good luck with the mop! ↔ A NAS ''' - Talk   17:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My apologies if you felt offended (or annoyed!) with my thankyou message - I'm sure you know that it was not my intention, and if you wish, feel free to remove it. M a rtinp23 15:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're a terrific user Martin, and I am not annoyed with that message. My intention of leaving that message on your talk page was that I believe spamming is a waste. Cheers. &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  {L} 08:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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RfA
Congrats. If you need any backup or moral support in your early admin days, let me know. - Mgm|(talk) 17:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats Martin! Have fun with your new tools! If you ever have any admin-related questions, feel free to contact me.  Nish kid 64  19:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Deserved mate! -- Szvest  → Wiki Me Up ®  20:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding block of
You may want to look into the accounts, , and as they are suspected sock puppet accounts of that particular IP. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 20:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I am embroiled in a stupid dispute with this IP/user, hence why I am aware of his actions. I recently filed this RfC, but so far no good. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 20:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah. So I wasn't wrong about the sockpuppetry. It's amazing how much you can figure out without administration abilities. :) :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 22:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Downtown (song)
Hi

Thanks for your attempt to sort the article of (Re: Downtown (song). Earlier today I requested that another admin look into something - given the fact your now involved with the article, it may seem better to ask you.

I informed Journalist of the situation with SFTVLGUY2 and asked him if he could look into that user and another called ConoscoTutto. I believe they may be an alias of each other; their profiles and writing styles are remarkabley similar. And they have posted in the same articles before expressing the same opinions (see Downtown talk page, Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 13 - Petula Clark films). Is having aliases against Wiki regulations? And is there any way you can check IP addresses to establish if there is a connection please? Rimmers 21:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Martin!
Please note my comments here. I will maintain vigilance at Baylor University, as I feel that controversies with citations should not be blanked just because someone does not like them to be made public. We had similar issues at The Path to 9/11 a few months back. Just thought I would say hey and let you know a little of my perspective. I am not about taking sides on any of the issues, so much as I am opposed to the blanking of information by those who want to keep "controversy" off wikipedia. The interactive nature of our project allows for such development in a collaborative fashion. Finally, I appreciate your work in the community. Best, Kukini 22:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks much. Hey...teach me something...why is it that warning removals can't lead to blocks? I have only been an admin for 4ish months, and have noted blocks on editors who did this before. Always learning, Kukini 22:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!!!
I have been kinda focused on just doing administration lately (as you have today). I should get back to RfA land now and again to see our incoming admins such as yourself. Welcome to the mop-club!!!! Kukini 22:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich
Would you be interested in helping out atWikiProject Munich? And you don't have to know anything about Munich. Maybe you could help out on bringing Munich-related articles up to Wikipedia Policies and guidlines standards or maybe another area where you could help improve Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 23:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Psst!
Just a little heads up. No source is criterea I4, not I6 like it says in in your last 50-ish deletion summaries ;) --Sherool (talk) 23:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Zora
Thanks for fixing that. --BostonMA talk 23:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * With regard to your message, hopefully not much. --BostonMA talk  23:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I need help against Vandalisme
on the Somali people page

i've worked hard on it and it keeps being re-edited

sinister words are used in the article and editor 68.40.41.202 uses the page to dehumanize other groups

see the discussion page aswell

i need an outside editor to do something about it

RoboRanks 02:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

New Page Watcher
Hi, I would like to try your new page watcher. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 02:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry?
Thanks for protecting Somalia. After some discussion on the talkpage, I strongly suspect there is some sockpuppetry going on. You can see my thinly veiled accusation, here. Please advise if you think Checkuser is called for. I wouldn't request one casually, but a quick review of the (very brief) contrib histories of these 2 editors looks suspicious to say the least. Thanks again. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 03:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think everything is fine now, but it was sure interesting for a while. As you noticed, it was more than just a couple of socks...5 were blocked. Thanks again for your help; I'm amazed at how responsive most admins are, especially given how badly you're outnumbered :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 15:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OMG! I had no idea you were so new...heck you're practically a virgin :) For a 'first day' it seems you did a great job. Many congrats to you! Yes, I understand mixed feelings about new messages...a certain number of nasty-grams is inevitable (I've gotten a couple too). Don't forget, there will always be editors who appreciate what you do, and occassionaly they might even remember to say 'thanks'. In the meantime, enjoy your new superpowers, and keep up the good work! --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 15:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Pesci
This user continues to blank out his/her user talk page. I reverted it back and left a notice of concern again. Kukini 06:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Jabbin
this is a pretty popular FOSS software that implements VoIP on Jabber. In fact it is one of the few linux clients for google-talk. I had created it as a stub and was intending to update it. From what i gather, you probably mistook it for advertisement. Please remove the deletion tag and post your concerns on the discussion page.

Thanks Panchhee 13:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

User template
Fix the leave me a message link as it links to someone else. Unisouth 15:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, Well wikipedia has about 1,500,000 articles in english. Do these include stubs also. Sushant gupta 15:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesse Collings
A bit fast off the blocks in marking this article as lacking sources, aren't we! Nothing more constructive to do than irritate experienced editors?--George Burgess 17:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

why did u deleted my wikipage? :(

Category:Stub templates
The category was deleted even if there was a  }  mention on it and while I was writing my opinion. Can we follow the guidelines and give it some time? Robin des Bois &#9816; &#10163; &#9993; 20:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Holy Ghost baptism on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Holy Ghost baptism. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Bpmullins | Talk 21:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Professor Sunderland?
Umm...why did you replace the templates I placed on user:Professor Sunderland and user talk:Professor Sunderland?  Nish kid 64  23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was about to ask the same thing. Wouldn't Galacian be the sockpupet as Galactian only registered today?  Metros232 23:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Response here M a rtinp23 23:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all confusing. I originally blocked Molag Bal indefinitely a few weeks ago (vandalism and such). Then Professor Sunderland comes out of nowhere, and then starts editing the same pages as Molag Bal. I established a connection, and told him I could block him, but I said I would give him a second chance. Then Sunderland goes crazy, makes two new accounts, Galactian and SpaceBot (which I shut off, as it malfunctioned and blanked 10+ pages). Galactian also edited Sunderland articles. I didn't know what the hell was going on, and I still don't. Anyway, RFCU is the best option here. I was considering that myself. I'm suspecting that the user has many more accounts.  Nish kid 64  23:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Stub templates
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Stub templates. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Robin des Bois &#9816; &#10163; &#9993; 23:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

194.80.32.8
Hi - I've changed the block of to allow account creation, with it being a complete university! This was after a request on unblock-en-l. Just an FYI. Keep up the good work - M a rtinp23 22:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I normally allow account creations, not sure why I didn't uncheck the appropriate box in this case.  --Yamla 02:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Advocate
Would you consider the role of advocate similar to that of a lawyer, or are you supposed to be a neutral party? BhaiSaab talk 15:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would be in your best interests not to advocate a sockpuppeteer. BhaiSaab talk 04:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

the Discussion page
hi what's the point of that page when editors that keep on editing don't want to come to the discussion page and tell their reasons of editing?

i was blocked because i wasn't aware of the 3x time rev rule on wiki and that's ok but the Editor sweetie1986 that also goes under multiple IP names on the somali people page continues to edit without visiting the discussions page

something needs to be done about this. RoboRanks 04:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Violated??
hi sorry but i haven't edited the [[somali people] page today

not once..

how can i have violated the 3 revert rule?

am i doing something wrong without me knowing it?

cause if you look at the history page i haven't edited or reverted the somali people page

i have only contributed on the discussion page and put down my stand on the dispute RoboRanks 07:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No Problem
and i will look into the protection option

thanks! RoboRanks 07:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Block
Hi there. Just to say no hard feelings about the block you imposed on me - it was my own fault for getting dragged into an edit war. I will step back from the article entirely, I may even remove it from my watchlist. However I did want to make you aware of the fact that Mitsos has recently made personal attacks on me (see here) and on others and breached numerous other Wikipedia guidelines without suffering any sanction whatsoever. Although on this particular instance I accept myself and Spylab were as much to blame as him for edit warring, nonetheless this user is determined to use WP to push a neo-nazi agenda and needs to be treated with caution. --SandyDancer 10:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Bot seems to have croaked
Perhaps it got disconnected. Take a look at the contributions. It seems to have suddenly stopped archiving after it finished the Computing and Mathematics desk. It removed November 18th from the Humanities desk, but never archived it, and it didn't get to any of the other desks, nor the help desk. freshofftheufo ΓΛĿЌ  12:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I manually finished archiving the Humanities desk for November 18th (I created the transclusion page and indexed it), so be careful not to archive Humanities twice when you get the bot back! freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  12:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You're a sysop!
Hi,, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop! Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on articles for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp  «Talk»= PS Please add you name to WP:LA! Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp   «Talk»=  11:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Congrats with your new tools. You did quite well with your 100% success. My first promotion in quite a few months. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  11:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, well done on such a good RfA! If you have any questions about using the tools then please don't hesitate to ask them, as I would like to know the answers too! Regards and happy mopping, (aeropagitica) 14:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! All the best with the fancy buttons :) riana_dzasta 14:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me as well on your recent RfA. Sorry I missed it, definitely would've added to the support column based on your extremely positive history here. Well done! --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I hope you enjoy your higher level of editorship! Iridescence  <font color="#AA33FF">talk • contrib 22:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Professor Sunderland
You'll want to add back the sockpuppet tag...he removed it again in his last edit. -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk) <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  18:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we need to protect User talk:Galactian as well. -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk) <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  18:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

208.108 vandal
No problem w/me, thanks for letting me know. NawlinWiki 19:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Galactian
See Requests for checkuser/Case/Galactian.  Nish kid 64  02:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Notice

 * Thanks to everyone for their congratulations

If anyone would be interested in testing a new program I've written to facilitate NewPages patrol (for non-admins), please just leave a message here. M a rtinp23 15:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * User:AbsolutDan waves his hand frantically in the air. --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Martinp23 employs AbsolutDan as an official tester (in fact, the only one as of now, meaning he's getting a custom made program for free!). M a rtinp23 01:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'm game. riana_dzasta 15:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers Martin, I'll give it a shot on the weekend when I have some free time :) Hope adminship is treating you OK! riana_dzasta 15:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Album covers tagged by sockpuppet vandal
Please be more careful when deleting images tagged with no source. A number of album cover images were tagged "no source" by a sockpuppet vandal, but for the most part the source of an album cover is obviously the album from which it came. See the discussion here. If you could restore these images it would be much appreciated.


 * Image:Bobby Womack-Poet II (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Billy Joel-Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2 (1973-1985) (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Bill Evans and Jim Hall-Undercurrent (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Bill Evans Trio-Waltz for Debby (album cover).jpg
 * Image:BB King-There Must Be a Better World Somewhere (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Anthony Braxton-3 Compositions of New Jazz (album cover).jpg
 * Image:And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead-Source Tags & Codes (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Ali Farka Toure-Talking Timbuktu (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Albert Ayler-Nuits de La Fondation Maeght, Vol. 1 (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Adam Sandler-What's Your Name (album cover).jpg
 * Image:Adam Sandler-What the Hell Happened to Me (album cover).jpg
 * Image:13th Floor Elevators-The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators (album cover).jpg

DHowell 22:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The image Image:Billy Joel-Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2 (1973-1985) (album cover).jpg can be re-deleted, as it is redundant to Image:Billyjoelgreatesthits.jpg. DHowell 20:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My advocacy request
Ideally I would like User: Mitsos blocked and the Hrisi Avgi article semi-protected, so new and anonymous users can't edit it. I know there is are very specific (and sometimes confusing) policies for dealing with these kinds of problems on Wikipedia, so I will accept any good faith decisions based on non-biased application of these rules.

However, I do not consider inaction to be an acceptable outcome. If the Hrisi Avgi article becomes unprotected and user: Mitsos is not restrained from editing it, he will continue to revert it to inferior versions. And if the article remains protected as is, the article will continue to be in a state that is not as good as it could be. Any help or advice will be much appreciated.

I was drawn to the article mentioned above because of that editor's factually incorrect edits to other articles, the blatant bias he has displayed in those articles, and the personally abusive and racist language he has used in talk pages. Here's a summary of some of his offenses:
 * deleting ‎information in articles that doesn't fit with his obvious political agenda.
 * adding unverified opinions and factually incorrect claims to articles, in order to promote his obvious political agenda.
 * deleting other people's comments on talk pages that make him look bad, or that don't fit with his political agenda.
 * repeatedly deleting a Neutrality Disputed tag on the article mentioned above, even though I have clearly explained why I dispute the neutrality of some of the sources in that article. Now I even question the reliablity of some of the information from neutral sources like Greek newspapers, because they are written in Greek, and have been translated and filtered by users like him.
 * repeatedly reverted mundane, yet necessary improvements to the article in question — such as the correct verb tenses, appropriate categorization of similar topics under one section, and the unwikifying of a name with no Wikipedia article.
 * Making widescale reverts without clearly justifying them, and then denying the extent of those large reverts.
 * expressing racist views on talk pages, such as proclaiming that whites are superior than other people, and using the word nigger to describe black people.
 * personally insulting other editors on talk pages, including using profanities.

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. I realize that all Wikipedia editors make mistakes, and not all of my own edits have been correct, but I believe it is clear that the negative results of allowing user:Mitsos to alter content on Wikipedia outweigh any positive results. His editing pattern has been a detriment to the factual accuracy, grammar and clear readability of Wikipedia articles. His behaviour on talk pages has been a detriment to civil interactions within the Wikipedia community. Spylab 14:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked at WP:ANI and couldn't figure out which category to post my concerns in. My concerns may not fit in one specific category, because the problems include 1)Persistent POV-pushing 2)Vandalism (removing legitimate tags and other people's comments on talk pages: as well as destructive edits to grammar and formatting) and 3)Personal and racial attacks on talk pages 4)3RR.

There doesn't seem to be any point in leaving all the warnings on the user's talk page, because he has been warned other times about his behaviour and nothing has improved. He would likely delete those official warnings from his talk page anyway, since he has a habit of censoring comments that put him in a bad light (despite hypocritically posting a banner on his talk page declaring it a "Free Speech Zone." I think I even posted an official complaint about this user before, only to have it ignored because his offences did not meet the specific requirements for banning. If a user like him cannot be banned, then I really wonder what a user has to do to have any sanction against him. It seems pretty cut and dry that he should not be here, or should have his editing privileged drastically reduced. Spylab 15:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I mistakenly thought you were the advocate assigned to the case. I just looked, and someone else is looking into the situation. Spylab 16:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Please block this Ip
This Ip address has vandalised the article Sunderland AFC with swearing abuse and nothing has been done. I have gave him a warning, but I have relised, I' am not an admin, and I have no right. It contains no abuse, but please remove my warning and issue a proper one. User talk:62.56.60.161. Is the vandal. Star of the north 17:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

ArbComm
I am delighted that you have decided to take up my ArbComm. Thank you for helping me in my hour of need.Hkelkar 20:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Samuel de Champlain
of course - school syllabus! well, I hate to admit it, but I can see their point! haha. thanks for the protection though. was getting a bit bored of reverting it... ;-) raining girl 20:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism???
You said: "Hi - I know that the addition of incorrect information to articles is frustrating, but in this case, it doesn't really qulify for vandalism per WP:VAND, but there are other warnings to use (WP:WARN) for unsourced additions to, for example, biographies of living people. I think these are more appropriate, as they teach the newcomer, rather than biteing him/her.  Thanks :)"


 * I disagree. The information was being changed from that presented on the official profile pages to information that appears to be a person's best guess.  These were not unsourced additions, they were the replacement of well-sourced information with information of, at best, dubious accuracy.  Given that this was being done to multiple articles and that in all cases, the information was changed from that presented on a reliable source, it appeared to be a deliberate attempt to reduce the accuracy of these pages.  --Yamla 21:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Super late congrats!
I'm sure you'll live up to all our expectations :) Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 00:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Martinp23/NPWatcher/Approval :) Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 01:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful adminship request, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian ※ Talk 06:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Relist?
I should point out that (unlike AFD, but like RFD and CFD) TFD has traditionally employed the reasoning that if nobody objects, the template can be deleted - this is mainly because the page is rather long and tends to be backlogged, and suggesting that nominations with "no objections" should be relisted is basically encouraging people to rubberstamp everything. Note that TFD is watched by a lot of people and it is unlikely for them to miss a nomination they would have objected to. The reason we're extra cautious about AFD is that articles are actual content, and templates/categories/redirects are meta-content. Yours, ( Radiant ) 14:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sunderland
The IP is blocked for 2 weeks; we might as well move that to some long-term duration. Also, let's just drop the RFCU case. It doesn't really matter right now; we already know who's who, so it's all fine and dandy now.  Nish kid 64  00:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait...User talk:81.129.30.255. It says 31 hours on there. Am I looking at the wrong IP account?  Nish kid 64  20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So are they blocked because of the autoblock?  Nish kid 64  21:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're being gullible. =) Just kidding. This user is up to no good. He (assuming its a guy) made a new account called Redemptionbot and vandalized my page. The bot was blocked by Aksi great, but it's also a sockpuppet of Galactian. (the idiot actually put up the notice on his user page that the bot was being run by Galactian). This guy is up to no good, so we shouldn't believe him.  Nish kid 64  21:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm always a bit worried about indefinite blocks, so I avoid them altogether. Perhaps a 6-month or 1-year block?  Nish kid 64  21:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * O.o we don't want that many problems. I would speculate it would re-assign every month or two, or something like that. Anyway, go ahead and block, I guess.  Nish kid 64  21:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Going to the gym right now so I won't be back for a few hours, but I suggest you just indefinitely block that guy. It's the same person. He's trying to make it seem like that Molag Bal/Sunderland/Galactian was another guy.  Nish kid 64  21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice!
Just started using NPWatcher...looks great and very useful! One feature that might be useful is a dynamic resize...currently none of the stuff actually increases/decreases when you resize the window. Also, an automatic refresh of the list of new pages would be cool. As far as the delete buttons go, an extra field to type in a custom reason for "Delete (without reason)" would be nice. Gzkn 03:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, just want to let you know I'm fairly comfortable with C# and I have MS Visual C# Express, so if you need/want help with code (and if this is coded in C#), I'd be happy to help! Gzkn 07:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

MartinbotII for Wikipedia 1.0
Hi Martin - congratulations on your new mop & bucket! Sorry I missed seeing your RfA. I wanted to ask if MartinbotII had been approved for our planned use on WP:1.0? I did a podcast recording on Version 0.5 for Wikipedia Weekly recently (Episode 5 - and I mentioned MartinbotII several times!), and someone (I forget who, now) said, "Consider your application for MartinbotII approved!" Have you heard anything offical? We have begun work on Version 0.7, and it is planned that this would use MartinBotII. Once we get the officiall approval, can you let me know, so we can proceed - unless you're too busy of course! Many thanks once again, Walkerma 04:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher request
Hi – the NPWatcher page told me to bug you after posting my request for authorization, so here I am. Feel free to take your time. Thanks -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 09:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ségolène Royal
I think you can unprotect her; she's no longer linked to from the main page. Cheers, Skarioffszky 10:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ashok kundapur, my objections
Good day to you, Martinp23... In first nominated this article for deletion for a number of reasons. And I will list them here:


 * 1) The article is self-written (I think) because the user who wrote it shares the name w/ the subject. This is usually something frowned apon.


 * 2) The article does not list a person of especial importance or notability. He is a mildly succesful academic/engineer. If his "solar cooker" takes off, then he would be notable. (It sounds like a crank or flash-in-the-plan invention).
 * 3) I'm not sure about the copyright status of the graphic, nor indeed of the article itself.
 * 4) Thereby, please consider deleting said article

Cheers: V. Joe 21:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sunderland
Wow...he's made like 10 vandal accounts already. This guy is crazy. Is this guy may accounts using a proxy or something?  Nish kid 64  00:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher request
I added myself on the request list, thanks --<font color="#0000FF">Armadillo <font color="#000000">From <font color="#FF0000">Hell 01:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher request
Hi, I would like to use NPWatcher being a frequent newpage patroller myself, it would be great if there was a easier way. Thanks,--Res2216firestar 03:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

English Democrats - vandal
Please could take a look here User_talk:80.47.184.99. Someone with a consistent pattern of editing has vandalised my user page and made personal attacks. --SandyDancer 12:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

68.40.41.202 -Vandal
hi! on the somali people page the person 68.40.41.202 i complained about earlier continues editing with discussing it on the discussion page( he edits more than 3 times a day automaticly breaking the 3 rev rule) and continues to add irrelevant semi-racist comments in the article

i took your advice and requested for protection twice against this IP with various nicks but there is no response RoboRanks 19:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Its ok
I just wanted the user box! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malice579 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

idea for NPWatcher
Here's an idea. Have two browser windows. One goes to the Wikipedia page with a given name. The other goes to a google search page. That way, a user doesn't need to manually google for something when looking for hoax pages. Just a thought. --BostonMA <sup style="color:blue;">talk 00:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

EssjayBot III
I've set the bot up with the specifics you provided; it will archive anything older than 5 days to your archive. The bot runs several times a day, so don't be surprised if you see it archiving multiple times during the day. If you have any questions, please let me know. <font color="#7b68ee">Essjay <font color="#7b68ee">( Talk )  00:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Email
I sent you an email. Hope you got it. Hkelkar 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Peterwats/DePeRe
Good work with the new tools! I see one of your first blocks was to User:Peterwats. It's a pity to have to block anyone, but some occasions call for it. I won't start a new AN/I report about it, but you might want to know that I just blocked as a sock. This edit,, makes that obvious for a couple of reasons. I expect he'll be back a few more times. Thanks for picking up the mop and bucket. Wikipedia need you. Cheers, -Will Beback · † · 05:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just got an email from DePeRe denying any connection to Peterwats and demanding to be unblocked. The return email address is "Peterwats..@..." This is the most threadbare sock puppet I've seen in while. -Will Beback · † · 06:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

re: lowering protection
Under the assumption that there won't be a large-scale edit war on this template, there shouldn't be too much of a problem (AFAIK performing a DoS attack using high-use template requires many high-use templates to be changed at the same time, not a single one, which only floods the job queue.) There has been a discussion to change the template the last two weeks and certain users get frustrated when only admins have the ability to change the template. —Ruud 13:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-deleted "Deleted" template
Hi, you closed a TFD at Templates for deletion/Log/2006 November 18 as "Delete" but didn't delete it yet. I am thinking this was possibly an oversight. When it is deleted, we could remove November 18 from the TFD page :) Just letting you know in case you didn't! -- Renesis (talk) 16:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, I didn't know! What exactly does the bot do in this case?  I did know that you ran a bot but I can't remember for what tasks. (User:MartinBot, right?) -- Renesis (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sheesh... sorry again. I thought you said "there is a bot" instead of "is there there a bot...?" :)  Anyway, I know there are bots for substing, but I don't know about other types of template removal or conversion.  I suppose it would depend on the type of template removal that is being done.  There are some subst-ing bots listed at Subst.  Wish I could be more help! -- Renesis (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Be Happy!
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has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

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Closed TFD as 'delete', but the template never got deleted
Hey I was just browsing through and noticed you had closed the Template:Newpagelinksmain tfd as delete but the template never got deleted. Found this quite wierd and just wanted to let you know, or did I miss something? - Tutmosis 22:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, I feel embarrassed I didn't bother to skim through the above messages. Thank you for your reply. - Tutmosis  22:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher
Hi there. I just wanted to drop a note requesting access per your instructions. Thank you! --NMChico24 23:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also looking to try out the program. Thanks! -- <font color="#008000">p <font color="#003300">b <font color="#003300">3 <font color="#007300">0  < c . t > 03:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia project
Ahh. Thanks. But i don't have newsletter yet. You may have noticed I just did mass mailout regarding the collab. Thanks - i will ask you next time. --Merbabu 14:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Romanticism vandal
Phew, thank you! Amazing how persistent some people can be. --Dweller 15:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out User:Jcool7 now. Either sock or friend. --Dweller 15:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Parodies featured on Arthur DRV
Hi Martin,

I know you're a newer admin -- here's the thing: there are no "no consensus" closures at DRV. DRV is simply a forum for cloture, and (after discounting any newbies or clearly nutty arguments) majority rules, at least on the question of endorsing or relisting. (To take further action, like "Overturn AND DELETE", a regular consensus of approx. 75% is required. If a majority overturns, but there is no regular consensus to delete, one relists.)  By my count, the majority on Arthur endorsed closure, and I would not have relisted. However, as a participant in that debate, my opinion on the close doesn't matter. Since the matter has been relisted now, we'll assumed you discounted several folks to reach an appropriate count. I will modify the close to remove the words "no consensus", however, since no consensus closures at DRV are impossible. (In the event of a "tie" at DRV, relisting occurs, by the way.) If you have any questions, feel free to ask, but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it now. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's one of those cases of our ever-editable guidelines getting askew of reality, but it certainly makes clear what you did, and why you did it. :) That line might be trying to convey the "in the event of a tie, then relist" scenario -- but, in any case, I'll strike the line.  If we allow "no consensus" closes of DRVs (and thus have "no consensus" on whether or not even to discuss a thing), my head may explode. :)  Best wishes, Xoloz 16:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually work in politics (objectively and unafiliated) and what had been written before was clearly unfair, bias propaganda.

Not really sure why was this bias material on the site? yet im banned for removing it ?

just seems unfair to me.

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elgoog
Thanks for the note. That was interesting. We should keep watching the situation. I would expect "Zoho Office Suite" and "Zimbra" (deliberately not linked) to be the next targets. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 17:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Another issue: slow-down by nested templates
From my understanding of how the database works, it gets slowed down by the use of templates, which is why subst'ing is generally encouraged. These "standardised" navigational templates now each are a template in a template in a template (feel free to check if you don't believe it). That's going to slow down page loading, and by extension, the database, a whole damn lot. Is this acceptable? - Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Nested templates. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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suspected sockpuppet
These 2 users are the same people:

Knightrider1984

200.167.230.39 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.174.93.105 (talk • contribs)

Thank You so much martin for your speedy action! 66.174.93.10566.174.93.105

I sure will let you know. Thanks so much, you're my favorite admin...lol. 66.174.93.105

So now what?
I hope you'll learn not to mediate unilaterally in future: - Samsara (talk • contribs) 15:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I've just seen that you have edited the template concerned, which would make you an involved party and inappropriate mediator, but I appreciate the offer. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 17:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Tasc has continued his reversions without communication. I think he just wants to be right as opposed to constructive. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Help with a bot
Hi, Martin:

A wikifriend of mine is trying to formulate a bot to capture and replicate data from all the pages in a particular category. He is a programmer in RL, but he doesn't have experience with WP bots. His name is Mortice, and the proposal for his bot is here. I said I would chat up some of the folks I know who do bots in the hopes that you might be able to give him some pointers. Could you go and check out his proposal and maybe introduce yourself? I know he'd appreciate the support and feedback. To be more specific, what he wants to do is to manually edit all the Simpsons episode pages to add a standard section listing the songs used in each episode, and then use the bot to generate a master list. Sounds to me like a neat idea that might revolutionise some of the TV show categories. Thanks in advance! Anchoress 22:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Martin, I'm the Mortice of which Anchoress types. I'm planning on implementing this thing using Python - have read up at Using the python wikipediabot but bound to have some questions so would be great to bounce them off anyone. For instance, I'm going to need to find out how to read a list of all the pages that belong to a category, hopefully by a more organised method than reading the category page and picking through the links on it. Thanks for any tips or pointers --Mortice 22:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Anchoress and Mortice - unfortunately I'm just going offline now (sleep awaits...), but tomorrow afternoon (UTC), I'll take a proper look when I'll have some spare time, and I'll do what I can to help (I write most of my bots in MS C#, but have a bit of familiarity with the python framework - I've got one bot running using it and one in pseudo-development (ie - I'm thinking of whether to do it or not!) :)) Thanks - M a rtinp23 22:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way - it looks like a great idea! M a rtinp23 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI I've started work on this bot (easier than I thought) and requested approval at Bots/Requests for approval/ListGenBot --Mortice 13:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Somali people protection
You recently protected Somali people due to the edit war. The two editors who were reverting each other seem to have made a sincere agreement at Talk:Somali people to refrain from edit warring. Perhaps you could take a look and unprotect if you deem appropriate? Cheers, shotwell 00:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Statement
"I have the feeling that he just got the datesmixed up, as he has declared in email to his advocates (myself and User:TheronJ) that he is on a wikibreak until 19 December from today. I'd therefore request that if any action is to be taken, we leave it until tomorrow (UTC), and if Hkekar is still editing, he should be warned before any other action is taken..."
 * See Hkelkar's contributions. Thank you. BhaiSaab talk 04:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Stub templates
Having evaluated the deletion review, I have sent Category:Stub templates to CFD; as deleter you commented that DRV was the place to pursue recreation, and the weight of opinion there came down on the side of seeing if consensus has changed since March. Please feel free to provide any input on the new deletion discussion, and let me know if you have any questions/concerns. -- nae'blis 19:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

INVESTEC
Hi, thanks for the note, I just read Logos and I will go and add the company website address to each logo page. To wit (from Wikipedia:Logos):
 * It is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using their logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with or endorses Wikipedia or the article it appears in, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner. The purpose of the specific guidelines above is to meet these conditions.--McTrixie/Mr Accountable 20:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 21:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bot deployment advice
Hiya, I've been developing my ListGenBot using pywikipedia and Python - all come along nicely, though a few days ago I'd never seen a single line of Python!

I'd be interested to know if you have any advice about deployment for real-world use (once it's been fully approved - only approved for test at the moment). Questions such as:


 * When I make a call to perform a wiki task (such as reading a page), it sometimes displays that it's waiting a few seconds before doing the task. I was originally thinking I would add a pause in the loop to prevent runaway processing, but can I safely assume I don't need to because of these pauses inserted by the pywiki subsystem?


 * I was originally thinking I would process all pages then pause for, say, 60 seconds before restarting. I suspect that it's going to take more than 60 seconds to read all pages once the bot is in serious use. So I wonder if it's the right thing to do to run 'continuously', ie run through all pages then start again, relying on the pywiki pausing to moderate its use. Pages are only written if it's needed (it reads a page and if it's the same as the page it would have written, it does nothing) so it will be very rare for the bot to write anything, but desirable to have it done relatively quickly if it's needed. Does 'continuously' sound okay?


 * It seems like the right thing to publish the source of the bot (the amount of wiki code is quite minimal, most of it is text processing). In the event that my server is long-term out of use, I'd want someone to be able to take over the bot's work. Is there a standard for publishing the source, or should I just put a link from the bot's user page?


 * (additional question) I seem to recall reading somewhere about the bot should be coded to stop if it gets a new item on its talk page - is there a recommended process for this using pywiki?


 * Anything else I should know?

Thanks :) --Mortice 22:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher
Can you please approve me? -- Chris is  me 23:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Japan Squad 1992 Asian Cup on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Japan Squad 1992 Asian Cup. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neier (talk • contribs) 22:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the move to my userspace. It looks like those templates were categorized too, so I'll get around to making CFD requests soon.  I removed the redundant two sections from this talk page. Neier 13:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Downtown (song)
Hello

So sorry to bother you (again) with this ridiculous situation, but I fear your help is needed again on the Downtown (song) article. SFTVLGUY2 has consistantly removed additions made to the article - and has not followed the emerging consensus on the discussion page to follow the Angels (song) model. He has removed additions made by other users - notabley Hotwiki - that follow that consensus, and instead claims the higher ground when he so clearly is not taking others into consideration.

The situation is beyond a joke - and I would appreciate your help in settling this article once and for all, please. Rimmers 23:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi; SFTVLGUY2 yet again completely gone against the consensus created on the article; he has removed all edits I made to the article last night, including removing references/sources, links to relevant articles and removing any and all other additions - despite you saying there should be a no revert rule. I would like to request that SFTVLGUY2 face disciplinary action. Given you have stated there shouldnt be an edit war, I have refrained from removed his most recent changes - so I would like to ask that you revert his changes (back to version by "88.157.57.131" at 14:21, 1 December 2006), merge the article back into one and perhaps even lock the article to prevent further abuse. To say this is ridiculous is a understatement, but SFTVLGUY2's abuse and sheer disregard for the consesus emerging on the talk page (including disregarding your comments) leave me with no other options... Rimmers 16:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Downtown
I certainly didn't intend my move to be "disruptive." More than one person suggested a separate article and I felt this was a viable solution, given this issue never will be resolved satisfactorily for all who have engaged in the discussion. Had I named the article Petula Clark's Downtown when I first wrote it, this problem never would have arisen at all. If you check my long history and the numerous articles I've created, I think you'll agree my intent is to improve Wikipedia in a number of areas, unlike the Spice Girls posse, whose sole interest seems to be in promoting Emma Bunton. The Downtown article has become ridiculously long and cluttered, particularly with Rimmer's changes to the first sections devoted to the original recording. He seems intent on using as many superfluous charts as possible (I've never seen an article with as many as this one has - if we need "chart trajectories" for the UK and Germany, then why not one for every country where it charted?), and rearranging sections out of sensible sequence (for example, the subhead re: popular culture references should come immediately after the info re: Clark, since it's her version that has been referenced.) And I still maintain a Bunton template has no place in this article; it belongs only in the one specifically about her. If Clark had a template, I would feel the same way. Thanks. SFTVLGUY2 19:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Danke
Thanks for your very clear and rational explanation of your closing the MySpace TfD. As it was raging, I thought about what an utterly crappy job it would be for whoever closed it...

Of course, I'm obviously happy that it didn't get deleted, but I wanted to drop you a line more for your very even-handed take on it. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 06:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks :-) As you note, the debate was very long, and I wanted to close it in a way which would make it easy for any onlookers to see a rough summary of the viewpoints raised.  Thanks M a rtinp23 12:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher
Hi there! I applied for approval on 11/26/2006 and haven't heard anything back yet. I was just wondering if you are still accepting applications or if you have suspended accepting new users. Of course, if you're simply busy, then feel free to disregard my nagging :-) Thank you! --NMChico24 03:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response :-) --NMChico24 18:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

subst:firstarticle|name
Could you explain to me how that subst works? How does it accomplish what you said it did in your post on Template talk:Firstarticle? I'm trying to understand this. Is it one of those namespace issues (that I know a tiny tiny bit about)? Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 18:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response and the page link. I think I understand. Also, I looked up the word you used Transclusion which helped too. Now those letters subst make sense. And I now I understand why it would be harder to vandalize and also why it would be easier on the server. Plus I see how I could be making my life easier by using templates so knowing about that list is really helpful. Thank you very much. Sincerely,  Mattisse(talk) 20:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Santa Coloma
Thanks Martin for the deletion. I am not using IRC yet. I have posted a page in the place you mention. Let see what happen. The Steward that I have contact directly, which knows is not answering yet. I a few days I will try with someone else. Regards form Argentina --Tasc1 22:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Stability bot
Sir, if you could run the above bot once again in the next few days, I would be very grateful. Thanks again. :) Badbilltucker 16:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You said to remind you if you didn't run the bot on Saturday. I feel somewhat ashamed doing so, seeing everything you have been doing and how much of it is of much more serious importance than this, but, if and when the schedule is free, I would definitely appreciate it were you to run it again. Badbilltucker 17:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the protect there. There is something I've always noticed when a page is protected or s-protected. It seems to disappear from my watch list until another edit is made on the page. Even though when I visit the page it shows it as being watched. Any idea why that is?--Crossmr 21:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, user:Martinp23! This is very helpful! When does the following exception become relevant: ''However, Jimbo Wales has suggested semi-protection may be used in cases of "minor bios of slightly well known but controversial individuals" which are not widely watchlisted, if they are "subject to POV pushing, trolling [or] vandalism." In such cases, semi-protection "would at least eliminate the drive-by nonsense that we see so often."[1]''?

If you see the Talk page of the OWU article recent instability has become an issue due to the two users that I mentioned in my request for semi-protection. Any comments will be greatly appreciated! WikiprojectOWU 23:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Dahliarose/Sandbox
Many thanks for sorting out my user sandbox and putting it in the right place. I thought I'd created the page as a sub-directory of my user name but obviously I got it wrong. Many thanks for putting me on the right track. Dahliarose 23:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bean Bailey
I was requesting the page to be deleted, not to be saved. I was placing the delete tag upon the page. If you would have checked the page's history before it was deleted, you would have known that. Are you a new admin?  B e  a  rly  541  02:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I do not use a program to place "speedy delete" tags upon pages which need to be deleted. Also, it was about 60 seconds after I placed the tag on the page, and you deleted the page.  Maybe my browser runs slower than yours.  However, please take into consideration about those factors.  Next, time use your mind to determine whether or not a user needs to be "warned" about creating an insufficient page, rather than the person doing the same thing as you are, and wanting to speedy delete the page. Case closed. Thank you! [[image:SFriendly.gif|19px]]  B  e  a  rly  541  22:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

NP patrol tool
You left a note at the talk page for WP:RCP about a new NP patrol tool. I'm interested in trying it out if you're still looking for beta testers.--Kchase T 08:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm approving you now - thanks for your interest - I'm going to do what I hope will be a near fional release in about an hour, in which I'll have everything that I've envisioned it needing, and then for the rest of the releases until I'm happy with it, I'll be bug fixing and getting the gui looking better :). Thanks M a rtinp23 16:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's giving me an error message about no approval.--Kchase T 18:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK - the problem was that you were on the approval list as "Kchase02", but you logged in a "kchase02" - it's a minor annoyance whicjh I'll be fixing soon (one of the bugs mentioned above) but as a workaround, I've added both possibilities to the list. If it still doesn't work, could you confirm what the error message is saying (version not approve,d or user not approved)?  Thanks M a rtinp23 18:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, duh; should have known. It's working now. Thanks.

has been down
It stopped in the middle of archiving December 3rd --172.132.202.103 16:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Reference Desk
Please see what your bot is doing at the reference desk. --Simonkoldyk 18:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Bot archiving question
I found this old page and linked to it on the archives page. Just wanted to make sure your bot doesn't mess it up the next time it archives --⁪froth T C  19:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure
Yeah sure today onwards, I'll be on it. And I'm also appropriate that you come forward to tell me about this matter :-) Thank you!!!!   ♪ ♫ Ľ ą Ħ ĩ Ř ǔ _ Қ ♫ ♪   <font size="-2">(Ŧ) 20:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How is this? ♪♫ĽąĦĩŘǔ♫♪   Walkie-talkie |undefined 20:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah - that's 1000% better!  Thanks M a rtinp23 20:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Welcome pal, Wiping out vandalism is much more important to me than my signature :-) ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪   Walkie-talkie |undefined 21:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete
Is there any reason why Category:Coragyps cannot be deleted? Speedy delete allows for the deletion of empty categories and I emptied myself because the one article that used it did so incorrectly. JohnCastle 21:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Template for deletion
Hi Martin, when you remove the last old discussions left in WP:TFD, could you please not add instead a line saying "No old discussions" ? This has a tendency to confuse User:Zorglbot which does the automatic update of this pages, and complains about seeing parasite lines. Of course, I could also teach him to recognise this line and remove it when new pages are added, but this would require editors to always use the exact same text, which is probably a bit too much to add. Thanks, Schutz 00:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Arab scientists and scholars
I'm not sure why you re-protected the List of Arab scientists and scholars article so quickly. It was less than twenty-four hours between your unprotection and reprotection, and not a whole lot occurred within that timeframe. --  tariq abjotu  02:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you protect this list again? How are we going to expand this list if its going to be continuesly protected? Was is it becasue of User:Khoikhoi? Did you actually read what that abusive user(check his talk page and block log) reverted? And lastly, can you please unprotect it again?Jidan 11:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Martin! Jidan 11:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I need your advice martin. I want to expand this list but I know sooner or later it will be reverted again by this Khoiko or his friends. I don't want this list to be protected again. BTW, have you checked what Khoiki reverted?Jidan 11:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Martinp23, did you look at the history of that page? User:Jidan is continually reverting that article to add people who weren't Arab, against the consensus of other editors. He's on a one-man crusade against 5-6 editors. --Mardavich 13:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Martin. please check your e-mail. --Mardavich 13:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Abusive user"?? What the hell? <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Khoikhoi 00:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I share that sentiment. Khoikhoi is a well respected admin here M a rtinp23 09:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Martin, since its creation, the article has been based upon this disclaimer: ''This is a list of scientists and scholars associated with the Arab World and Islamic Spain (Al-Andalus) that lived from antiquity up until the beginning of the modern age. In some cases, their exact ancestry in unclear. They may have emigrated or immigrated, and thus may appear in other "Lists of...", but nevertheless their names and work are linked to the words "Arab", and "Arabic".'' Which was suggested by admin User:Alex Bakharev, and is the same as List of Iranian scientists and List_of_Russians. The Iranians were against this list since the beginning. They wanted a list of muslims, while of course having the privilage to keep list of iranian scientist, but then we have a consenus to keep it like this(see the discussion). Now they are back, again! Your help as a neutral observer is highly appreciated (BTW, Khoikhoi is not! see his arbitration ) Cheers, Jidan 11:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have posted this on the adminstrator noticeboard . Jidan 14:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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refdeskbot
Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/December 2006 Look under December 1, the bot seems to be dropping some edits--172.148.78.253 13:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to have dropped two archives for December 1st, they've both been restored manually, however I didn't have time to add the navigation template to the top of the two archives -- VectorPotential The Reference Desk 13:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done-- VectorPotential The Reference Desk 13:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Question
Dear Martinp23,

Sorry to bother you again but could you take a look at the Ohio Wesleyan University nomination? User:Indrian referred to one section as being POV. I personally think that this is a very premature call but I would like to ask for your opinion on the matter. I really appreciate your help!!! WikiprojectOWU 21:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

undeserved revert by bot - please fix!
I just edited the Morrison & Foerster LLP article to revert an awkward euphemism to the original, correct "motherfucker" - that's what MoFo (the firm's nickname) does stand for. My edit was reverted by Martinbot--can you fix this and restore the uncensored language? Thanks, 140.247.243.220 04:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your input is requested
Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher request
I'd like to give it a try. --Russ (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sunderland
Hmm...let's wait and see what he does. Usually this user starts off well, but then he goes berzerk within a week or so. His edits are generally beneficial so far, so I'm not so sure about blocking him at the moment. We can possibly bring up a topic at WP:AN/I if you want.  Nish kid 64  22:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your Bot
Hello Martinp23. I just wanted to tell you that your bot reverted from my reversion of vandalism to the previous form.

Here's what happened:
 * 1) Someone vandalized (same diff)
 * 2) I reverted to a previous version using popups (same diff)
 * 3) That version was blanked, by the same user (same diff)
 * 4) I reverted myself to the last good edit ( diff)
 * 5) Your bot reverted back to #1 (diff)

I just wanted to ask if I could remove the warning on my talk page, since it was only a mistake, which I quickly changed. Or is that not allowed? | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Whew! That's a relief! Now I can get back to editing... Thanks. :-) | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 00:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

RfC on Mitsos
Hi. I'm acting as advocate for an editor who has been having issues with Mitsos. As part of the DR process, we have opened an RfC in order to get community input on behavior that several users feel is uncivil and biased. Seeing as how you have interacted with Mitsos in the past, we would appreciate any input you may have on the matter. Please visit the Request for Comment page and leave your thoughts. Thanks very much, →<em style="color:green;font-variant:small-caps;cursor:crosshair">Bobby ← 15:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Innapropiate user name block it please
This user has just arrived on Wikipedia. I feel it is an abusive and uneeded name. I think you should block it. User:Stupid1 Sheogarath 16:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't block me
I' am admitting I was those 11 sockpuppet accounts. I've created this one, and I don't plan on causing any trouble on Wikipedia. I've accepted the policy, and thought. That improving it can do for the better, give me one chance please. I've made a few good edits, reported some vandals, and have created User:Welcomebot Which automaticlly welcomes users. I don't want to cause any trouble, and so you can't block me for nothing. The Ip changes on the 4th of every month with the bt broadband. Sheogarath 16:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: By the way, during the 13 days I was blocked. I created an account on the sister project Wikiversity and have 500 contributional edits so far. Creating 12 useful articles. Sheogarath 19:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Your bot and DOND models
Your bot seems to be tagging Deal or No Deal models as malls in Wisconsin. *Dan T.* 20:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Namespace prefix of associated page
You seemed to of forgotten the in the TfD close I put it in for you. Whisp e ring 20:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Block this user VERY bad name
This user is abusing our policy. Please block the account immediatly. User:Cokeinacan It appears to be involved with the drug cocaine. Please block it and tell them to create a new account. Sheogarath 20:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It sounds more like a soft drink to me (Coke in a can). Since this user doesn't seem to have any edits (unless some have been deleted) it's hard to tell just what he/she/it intends to do with that name. *Dan T.* 22:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah - I've not blocked based on this uncertainty, and per being a mug :P M a rtinp23 22:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Molag Bal vandal
Yo, check this out. and see User:Welcomebot. The last time this user made a bot, it malfunctioned and blanked like 15 pages before I shut it off permanently.  Nish kid 64  21:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR
Hello. I don't want to violate the 3RR. Can you please have a look at this article and its talk page. --Lanov 21:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

André the Giant
Hiya Martin, that ip has retutned and as well as inputting incorrect information has now also resorted to vandalism to distrupt the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andr%C3%A9_the_Giant&diff=92357875&oldid=92313847 Can you put a semi-block on the page please?Halbared 07:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcomebot hasn't done anything
Apparently last night I'm sure Nishkid64 commented on Welcomebot blanking 15 pages, welcomebot hasn't done anything, look at its contributions!. Sheogarath 16:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

This Ip is certainly gibraltarian
I was searching through the article Gibraltar and it appears that the banned sock puppet master vandal has returned again. They suspect it's gibraltarian but I don't think they've blocked it. I've picked up the evidence through the edits, of Gibraltar and the British overseas territories, they're exactly the same edits as Gibraltar, the article Gibraltar has now been proctected from him and his sockpuppets. User talk:212.120.227.108 Sheogarath 19:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, they haven't blocked the Ip. But the Ip location is in Gibraltar, and by the edits I can say, that this is him, block the ip forever. Sheogarath 19:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no point whatsoever in blocking that IP as its part of a pool and is dynamically allocated. If the problem continues, there are more direct methods which can be used. Please distinguish between a user called 'gibraltarian' and Gibraltrian IP's (like mine) --Gibnews

adding an sprotect template does not protect the page!

Ah but it seems to have scared him off :) --Gibnews 23:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Revolved et cetera
I zapped that article and all its related pages. I wanted to speedy delete them but didn't know that they really fell under db-empty. But if two other people say so, so shall it be done. Kapow! -- <font color="#3D59AB">Merope  21:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed new "getting started" page for writing bots your opinion?
I think there is confusion on how to go about starting a bot (eg here and here) and there is no wikipage covering this, the main bot page talks only about policy, not avenues for getting started, how to make a bot etc. I have made a suggestion that a howto page be established and, as a frequent editor helping out with bots, I would appreciate your comments. Many Thanks - PocklingtonDan 07:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Forum reply
Thanks for the reply. Richiar 18:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much for your comment regarding the Ohio Wesleyan University article. Your comment about the Activism section was what I was leaning towards anyway. It helped to hear several people expressing the same view. Thanks again! WikiprojectOWU 18:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher Mirror
I am willing to host NPWatcher on my website for download for free if needed. Just saw the program... and thought you might need another mirror.

Cheers,

 T  yson Moore   es   19:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Requests for mediation/Juan Cole
Hi Martin. Thanks for your offer to mediate, I just have a couple questions. What's the difference if you do it rather than someone "official", and in mediations are the issues to be discussed limited to the request -see my concerns here. Cheers, &lt;&lt;-armon-&gt;&gt; 01:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Five Articles
Hi Martin. Thanks for adding the article on the DeWint House to Wikipedia on July 19 2006. This article ties in nicely with the Tappan, New York article. I also tried to contribute the following articles - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-07-27 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-07-28 - which would tied important events in this time period. (Please use Tappan, New York for reference) They are as follows.

Thanking you in advance for your assistance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.203.40.2 (talk • contribs)
 * The Orangetown Resolutions Articles_for_creation/2006-07-27
 * The Old 76 House Articles_for_creation/2006-07-27
 * Macy Deming Articles_for_creation/2006-07-28
 * Haring Adams (Deming) House Articles_for_creation/2006-07-28
 * Cereo Articles_for_creation/2006-07-28

Hi Martin, Thank you for your feed-back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.203.40.2 (talk • contribs)

Waggle Dance
Dear Martin

In the article on the "Waggle Dance" there appears the following statement:

"it is now known that a round dance is simply a waggle dance with a very short waggle run"

There are no references nor any supporting documentation for this blanket generalization. "It is now known" -- when? and by whom? I am not saying that it is not true, it is. The information is very new and may require the entomology textbooks to be rewritten. I am just wondering who posted this and what their sources are.

Peterlborst Peter