User talk:MECU/Archive/Archive-Apr2007

scripting
well, let's see. i visited the script page and it made reference to 'install the above scripts.' as there were no scripts 'above,' i delved further to the main page and believe that is the referenced script. i installed it, but alas, i think i may have made a mistake. can you look into my special page and tell me why i am not smarter than a fifth grader? it's not like i'm a certified network engineer or anything. okay, yeah, i am. Thanks the_undertow talk  06:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Response
Hello, I am responding to your response to my request for adoption. You have a very interesting discussion page with the newspaper format. I might try to put together a news letter for my user page. I would appreciate it if you would adopt me John196920022001 15:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Questions Answered

1. What you want to get out of adoption? I just want to learn the rules. I met with edit wars when I first started editing and did not feel very welcome 2. '''What you want to accomplish here at Wikipedia? I want to contribute to Wikipedia. I am already starting my first article 3. What you like to do here on Wikipedia? Finish my first article 4. What are your problems at Wikipedia? Dealing with argumentative people 5. If you have any specific problems or questions I can answer now. I consistantly have two editor who keep accusing me of bad faith actions. What can I do about them? Thanks John196920022001 16:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Right now it us occuring in the Tilman Hausherr article. It is kind of a spill over from another article. It seems two editors, Tilman and Smee, love to argue and accuse. That is basically all I have seem them do. If you need a link let me know. PS: are you in the USA? If so what state? Thanks John196920022001 18:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I am trying to do that. You are right that probably was not the best thing to say, but that is all I see these members do. I have read the policies on civility. Right now I think they are mad because I informed an admin of the situation. For now I refuse to engage them in this behavior. Thanks. Anyway, so you live in Colorado? Cool! I live in Arizona. I have been married for seven years John196920022001 06:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Your comment about mediation is intersting. I will think about it. Thanks John196920022001 17:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Recruits hidden
I saw your comment on WP:VPT. That sounds fine to me. Should I/we modify the template itself to do this? Give an option to have it collapsible?↔NMajdan &bull;talk 20:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't being clear enough. I was talking about modifying the start and end college recruit templates to allow for collapsible tables. so collapse=yes would automatically add the initial collapsible table.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 12:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done. See the 2007 Oklahoma Sooners football team article. Now I'm going to go update the documentation on the templates.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 13:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I liked the subtle color that I was using on the 2007 OU page before I switched so maybe I'll add another param but have the color default to the one I had.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 13:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Darien Williams notable?
Well...there is a new editor (well, fairly new now) that tends to create articles relating to OU that I, too, believe are not quite notable. I have warned him that many of these BIO articles he's created could be deleted. I have no problem with you nominated this article for deletion. I would have done it earlier but I had hoped he would come back and expand it. I have since forgotten about it. If such a time comes that this player does become a big-time player such as getting All-American or some award, the article as it stands now would not be difficult to recreate.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 16:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Unprotection
I've unprotected, I'll let you implement any resolution there is. John Reaves (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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Image:10012001.jpg
Your resolution reduction, while maybe necessary, I think reduces the image too much (which distorted the image as its used on the Street Fighter page). I am a little worried about what seems to be copyright paranoia... could you point me to discussion on this issue? I reverted your reduction... if you want to reduce it, could you please to do it to a more reasonable size of at least 300px so it can be used in any of the default thumbnail sizes. gren グレン 14:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me to the conversation and explaining. gren グレン 14:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Adoption of ISUEngineerGuy
Yes, that would be great if you were willing to adopt me. What do you think of my article? What can I improve?

Thanks for responding. You were correct when thinking I was talking about ISU Formula SAE. As for its notability, you will see that in the next couple months. ISU Formula SAE is different from other schools in that although its small compared to other huge university teams, it places very well. Another difference is that every little aspect is run by students. Other universities have academic advisors and professors heading the teams and contributing to their success. This year is going to be a record breaking year and show that Iowa State University has the best car in the pack.ISUEngineerGuy 18:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and that is why my article has nothing in it about future prosperities. Where have you seen anything about future prosperities in my article? Secondly, my information is from published sources. If you go to my refrences you will see much of the information is from them. Lastly who ever said I was involved with this group? Yes, I do attend Iowa State University, but I am not in this group. I have not set any opinions in this article, it is strictly informational. The only opinion i have set forth was that I believe this article about the team is notable. ISUEngineerGuy 18:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thankyou for resizing Image:Coronation Street Opening 2002.jpg for its fair use! I was going to do it myself but I have recently switched to a new computer and do not have any photo editing software. Ben 19:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

John Service report images up for deletion
Hi there, I got your notice on the John Service report images. It appears you used a bot to automate the text for each entry, and I don't have one, I figured I'd respond here and address all the images you've nominated for deletion. While the images are technically orphaned, they actually all have links going to them in the article for the Dixie Mission (rated at good), and are part of the notation for article. In essence, their presence greatly assists in the factuality of the article. Deleting them would then damage the quality of the article's reliability. If necessary, I can create a page "Reports by John Service" and have thumbnails of all the images (and thus, put the link to that article in the notation).

And yes, the images are free, and were de-classified for academic use. They should be perfectly fine for use on Wikipedia. Hope that clarifies the matter. :) ~ (The Rebel At) ~  22:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the template advice. I've added the template to all the images, plus three more on another article which weren't part of the list. I think a script would have come in handy on this one! ~ (The Rebel At) ~  00:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Your message concerning the unspecified source for Image:Gemütlich.jpg
Hi, I uploaded that image almost four (four!) years ago, at a time when there were no tags in Wikipedia: Claiming "fair use" was all that was needed at the time. I said so on the image description page:

 indeed: Taken by an unknown photographer somewhere in Vienna, Austria, and lifted [by me] from an unknown web site advertising the establishment pictured, a wine tavern on the outskirts of the city.

And now I get your message:

''Thanks for uploading Image:Gemütlich.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself (did I?? Didn't I mention the unknown photographer??), then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

''As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self-no-disclaimers tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Fair use, use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.''

So what do you want me to do? Lie? Best wishes, &lt;KF&gt; 16:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Within-group_study
what do you think? speedy or wiktionary? the_undertow talk  00:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * o yeah. about the underscore, it's because i cut and pasted it from firefox. i was thinking A1 may not work because it's sort of in context. ill try prod. i dont think ive used that before. ps, i tagged a few images using the script. i didnt get blocked, so i think im doing okay. its cool to provide a tag for someone instead of tagging the image for delete, right? the_undertow talk  01:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah, i was actually specifically thinking of a dvd cover - so you hit that on the head. tx. the_undertow talk  01:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Help: Spurious ?
Mecu, I've a problem with a spurious break or space in the infobox template NCAA Athlete. For an example, please take a look at the infobox for Joakim Noah. Note the extra space in the Tournaments section between the 2005 and 2006 tournament. I can't seem to locate the problem. Would you please take a look when you can? Thanks, Pepto gecko 01:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks fine. It's a little peculiar the way the break adds a space. Thanks for your help! Pepto gecko 02:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Adoption?
Hi, sorry it took a while for me to respond. I would love to be adopted by you on Wikipedia. :)

Oh and BTW thanks for telling me about the plus button feature, I didn't know about it. I've being having to add new points to talk pages via the 'edit' button 'til now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IvanKnight69 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC). --IvanKnight69 10:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Table of Contents Help
Since you're in a helpful frame of mind...

I'd like to create or locate a TOC with just a header bar. For example, view Template:CategoryTOC. I'd like it to look similar to this but without the accompanied detailed TOC list on the left (or right, as the case may be). It could be used for long articles like WikiProject College basketball/Master Table. I've tried playing about with the CategoryTOC template but have met with dismal success.

Is something like this possible? Pepto gecko 02:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be a bother - If you're too busy, I can broadcast a general help question. Pepto gecko 16:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand your point about the section headers. However, I was hoping to do something a little more dynamic because new entries are being added daily and/or the section headers are being renamed(e.g. - Alabama Birmingham was renamed UAB). I'm afraid a static TOC (hard-linked to sections) would quickly become obsolete or a large headache to maintain.

I'm shooting for a dynamic header/TOC at the top of the page which would look and perform similar to the CategoryTOC where each letter would navigate to the first section instance (if any) of said letter. I was hoping to be able to navigate in this manner on the WikiProject College basketball/Master Table and thus remove the monstrous TOC which prepends the article. If something like this is not possible, I'll try to petition the users to allow me to remove the TOC. Pepto gecko 17:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty cool! I obviously misunderstood your meaning. I does seem to disable the sortable headings. Any way around this that you know of? Pepto gecko 17:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Thanks for contacting me. Sure could use the help. Looks like you have a great deal of experience with images on Wikipedia. I could really use help there--specifically proper tagging to confirm and insure no copyrights are violated. Thanks. Mediathink 17:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

answers
Mediathink 18:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) What you want to get out of adoption? Better skills at editing (Codes and tags and know what really needs editing) and being a good Wikipedian.
 * 2) What you want to accomplish here at Wikipedia? -- Help Wikipedia gain more credibility. It's been beaten unfairly by those who misunderstand it or fear it.
 * 3) What you like to do here on Wikipedia? -- I like to browse randomly--I learn so much.  More and more I worry about very subtle vandalism and how vandalism is defined.  I know there are a lot of people who benefit from Wiki losing credibility (MSM).  And Honestly I think the wrong people are being blamed.  I think Metawiki is incredibly cool.  It never ceases to amaze me how this community can parse its thinking.
 * 4) What are your problems at Wikipedia? -- Tags and codes. Particularly images-- as I mentioned.  I'm getting better though.  The sandbox helps.
 * 5) If you have any specific problems or questions I can answer now. -- What is the best way to upload an image.  What is the best way to assure that --as an editor-- I've provided the essential information to assure compliance with copyright policies?

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Image:Creteil Eglise Saint-Christophe.jpg
Hello Mecu! You said on this page on Flickr that my choice of a free license had allowed Wikimedia Commons to use the image. I know, I uploaded it myself 1 year ago! Please don't duplicate the image in Commons. Damouns 18:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand. I will try to use the same license in both sites. Thanks for your job, it's a very good idea to say to Flickr members when then have a photo copied to Commons. Damouns 18:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

linking to images on userpages...
Hi. you left this on my talkpage
 * "Please do not use fair use images outside article namespace. I have removed both images at User:Turangalila/Images because they both were used under fair use. Please see WP:FUC for the restrictions of using fair use images on Wikipedia. (This instance is a violation of #9). Thank you for your cooperation."

sorry bout that. i'm still a bit of a newbie. quick question: is it ok to link to the image w/o displaying it (ie: image:xxxx), just to have a shortcut to the image page? Also, what about brief use in a sandbox? wasn't totally clear on that from WP:FUC or your "10 things" page. thanks again -- Turangalila (talk) 01:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Issues
A Wikipedia article on John Warwick Montgomery appears to be copied verbatum from answers.com or all-experts.com. What should I do? John196920022001 10:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks John196920022001 16:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Multiple User Accounts for User:Soxrock
Hi Mecu,

I've been watching this for a bit, myself. It doesn't appear that he's been at all clandestine about his multiple accounts as he's actually identified them back to User:Soxrock. I tagged some of them after I saw that he'd listed his main account on their User page. It appears that he is:


 * User:Soxrock
 * User:Crazy Canadian
 * User:CollegeGameDayRocks!
 * User:TheSportsLogosMaster

I've been interacting with him for a while regarding fair use of images from SportsLogos.net and I had provided copies of a fair use rationale on several of his Talk pages before realizing that they were all the same person. I've not seen evidence that he has used the multiple accounts to preclude WP:3RR nor supporting his other users as a WP:Sock.

What is the best way to proceed on an official basis?

Thanks for your help.

Take care,

Larry --Lmcelhiney 14:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, these are the only accounts I operate under. I did have a "bot" account proposal, but it failed. Now my intention has not been to make it seem like more support for me, or to bolster my accounts, but rather which account I bothered to sign in under. I generally use an account for a couple of days then switch to another. This account is used very sporadically. But I apologize for any confusion, but I'm not trying to stir anymore controversy with images (as in reverting back to uploaded size, because since I already have the image, I don't need it at full size, so feel free to reduce any uploaded images). The only thing is is that I'm likely not going to stop using all these accounts, I like all of them the same. But, I'm not going to use them for WP:3RR just to keep reverting. Thanks for understanding. TheSportsLogosMaster 15:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: CSD I2
The question was regarding what I thought you said was appropriate for Commons description pages of media not actually used on WP. Let me know,  Tewfik Talk 22:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing non-passed Flickr images
Hello MECU. We are having a talk on a Commons talk page about the problem of Flickr images which have had a license change. I've seen that you are nominating a lot of these images for deletion, i'm not quite sure if that's the best solution. Maybe you could come over to the Commons talk page and give your opinion about this problem? Thanks, Husky (talk page) 15:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Commons
Toc, toc on commns. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.223.229.203 (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Commons:Image:LABeachVol.jpg
There's a link under the license box pointing to the subpage Image:LABeachVol.jpg/permission where I copied my mails with the author. I have no newer contact to him. I see the image was made private in Flickr but at that time I carefully explained him the need for a free license and he agreed to let us fix it. On the other hand the image doesn't seem to be very popular, so... It's up to you. byj 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Assessment of CFB articles
Yes I did.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 15:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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I have a question about the use of the tag "CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|provision." I've noticed this tag used on several images uploaded by one user. Some of the images are scans from a magazine. Others are copied from a website. Perhaps he has such a permission; however, he provides no proof of it and may simply be using the tag to avoid having the images deleted. Can any further action be taken? What prevents any user from adding that tag to an image that they had no right to upload? Thanks for the help! --Wordbuilder 20:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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