User talk:MJL/Archive 23

Pace of additional edits to Fund for the Public Interest page
Hi MJL-

Thank you very much for your help with recent edits to the Fund for the Public Interest page. I would like to propose more changes but want to do it at a pace that is reasonable for you. Can you give me guidance on how often is ok for me to propose edits?

CleanWater17 (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC) Basically, how often you should propose edits essentially comes down to wiki-politics. Technically, you can propose edits as much as you want, but practically speaking that isn't true. In general, COI and paid editors are not particularly well liked on Wikipedia due to stuff like this because he would game the system and stonewall any negative change. You can see what I mean with this casebook example of what not to do. To get back to the main question, I would say you should feel comfortable proposing edits as they get done (or get rejected). One method you may want to employ would be forking the article to Talk:Fund for the Public Interest/COI proposal or something. Then you could just request that your draft just be adopted wholesale. By the way, I highly recommend uploading content to Wikimedia Commons (which doesn't require paid editing disclosure). A picture of where you work and anything else you can provide would be extremely helpful (See my comments here for more info). If you upload a picture you think looks really nice and would help illustrate the article better, then I can put post there. I hope that helps! { &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:45, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey there!


 * Thanks for the advice. I'm aware that as a COI editor I'm somewhat persona non grata, so I've been moving slowly on edits. I feel like the feedback I've gotten previously was to keep the proposed edits small and bite-sized, though my instinct is to present larger chunks at a time, as you suggest. I do have a photo that I was trying to figure out how to upload and will push ahead with that, too. I'll flag for you when it is ready. CleanWater17 (talk) 00:33, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't obvious, I have a lot of sympathy for COI editors in general. I think it is a lot easier to just avoid topics I could have a COI in, but my heart goes out to people who try to make it work anyways. For you, I have double sympathy, though. Working for the Fund was extremely brutal, but I think I came out of the job a better canvasser for it. I certainly know at least that I would never have been able to even consider running for re-election IRL without that experience. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate all the guidance. I'm moving ahead with proposing edits. CleanWater17 (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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Donnie Smith
Hello, how are you, i was wondering if we can do an article for Donnie Smith, we have a listing for him on article List of surviving silent film actors, he is one of the rare silent film stars in early Hollwood silent's that are still with us, thought there is no linked article for him, he only appeared in 4 films that where in the film shorts series Our Gang theatrical releases, they later where sold to television networks in syndication and where broadcast as "The Little Rascals",  there is not so many references for him, the one linked is fo r a website called Lordheath.com, however this is user generated, it chronicles films in the series as well as the films that where released by Hal Roach studio's including the franchise Laurel and Hardy and Charley Chase series's  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 05:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't think we'll be able to meet WP:NACTOR with just four films. Therefore, what I did was make a redirect titled Donnie Smith (actor) which will lead to a section on his brother's page. I could only find two sources to support the specific claims made there, but it's now cited at least with reliable sources. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:24, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, although not a major star was known to a nation of viewers of the Our Gang series, i have added more information with ac ross section on hi brother article who was better known, tell me what you think, could you please correct the link reference 8 under the Jay R. Smith article because i had trouble adding it, also  i think the site Lordheat.com is a fanzine, so the name has also changed a believe  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2019 (UTC) can please add some infoboxe's Charles P. Roland and Barbara Blackman  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 12:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Visium Asset Management moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Visium Asset Management, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 21:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
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Christmas Troubles
Hello, how are you, Merry Christmas, having trouble with a member CLCStudent, whom keeps on christening me a "vandal" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

About the blogger/occupation thing, my own personal opinions aside, the important takeaway from that dispute is to always breathe and avoid getting into a edit war. You and simply had a difference of opinion, so there really isn't any "right" answer there. Also, merry Christmas to you as well! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:47, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I deleted those warning. I apologize for the mistake. CLCStudent (talk) 23:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Glad that got sorted out then. { &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 23:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * coul you plea se do the infoboxes for me, Charles P. TRoland, Barbara Blackman and Brian Crossley, kindest regards, and thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 00:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry typo? Charles P. Roland, AM I CORRECT Dagny Carlsson under occupation in inbox it states under occupation BLOGGER, i put it under the other title of KNOWN FOR?, as well as he appearances on television  and gust film appearance, which is why she BECAME KNOWN, the article clearly states occupation as  factory Seamstress  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 01:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm on the infoboxes now.
 * For me, the main problem was the histrionic Edit Summaries made by the IP. And it’s lack of understanding that it is better to bring up these things on the talk page before. Anyway, hopefully lesson learned. BabbaQ (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes are ✅ &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Good idea, im going to take few days break, but waswondering if you can do a few more infoboxes to create first, also was wondering if we can do a seperate article for Harry Earles of The Dancing Dolls  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 07:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've another idea for the article of regarding Virginia McLaurin, maybe if we can't add her to the List of centenarians list, we can add to the more specific, List of centenarians (activists, non-profit leaders and philanthropists) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 07:42, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's a brilliant idea!! I'll certainly get started on that after Christmas. Cheers, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐🤶 17:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Happy New Year MJL!
Happy New Year! Hello MJL: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks (static)}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

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DYK for Charles P. Roland
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A barnstar for you!
Sorry for the response delay btw. I wanted to finish up Asteriscus aquaticus before I got back to you. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 21:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I put a lot of work into it, and I probably only scratched the surface. Visium Asset Management seemed like it must've been a fun place to work!
 * There's never any rush. Keep up the good work. —  Newslinger   talk   21:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Martinaaperez - Deleted Page
Dear MJL, my page Martinaaperez was recently deleted and you informed me that you saved a copy offline and would be happy to share. I would really appreciate to receive that copy. Thank you so much!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinaaperez (talk • contribs) 01:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Send me an email, and I'll attach the file for you in response. Regards, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Break time's over
Hello, Wandering Vagabond, back again, lol!!!, good to have a few days break, could you please explain to member,if i am correct!!!, for arctic;e  (Biography (TV program) that he reverted that you only link a name once, this is correct isn't it, hope you had a nice Christmas and are going well  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think you are right that there was a clear MOS:OVERLINK issue. I just would be more careful and make sure to use the "show preview" feature to ensure you don't add unintentional mistakes. I believe reverted your edit mostly because you changed Peabody Award to [Peabody Awar. :) &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:39, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, i have to note in future spelling typing error's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 17:49, 29 December 2019 (UTC) Hello, you may need to tidy article, which is still grossly over-linked, i can see it is Wikipedia policy not to have over-links in articles, personally i agree, i think it just makes the article to much overwhelming and untidy  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Biography (TV program) is the first article I ever expanded. Memmmorriieeess....! – Levivich 02:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Perspective on agendas
What you see as "pushing an anti-LGBT agenda" I see as pushing back against a "pro-LGBT agenda".I'm not asking for articles that take people to task for their homo- or trans-sexuality or support of the expression of that of others,just that the supportive philosophy not be presented as immune to criticism.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 02:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There are ways to promote your own viewpoint without being disruptive though. When you first comment in a thread is bolded comment with an all caps edit summary, well... you get my point. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:36, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * When I see the opposing viewpoint as an extreme and direct opposite I don't feel a diffident dissent will be given much weight.The "get rid of the names completely unless the person really wants them" crowd aren't mincing words.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you were advocating against "get rid of the all trans people's birth names completely" that'd be one thing. However, you have clearly stated that your position is that birth names should always be included. To be honest, I personally find that stance absurd because we don't even do that for birth dates and places, so why should birth names be any different? I find the idea that there any information we must always include while writing to be completely at odds with having any sort of editorial discretion. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Possibly going to take another Wikibreak
I want to run for something else in my town since I lost my last election; I'm just thinking that I really want to at least. If I start early and actually raise money (I didn't last time), I have a better chance at winning. I'm only posting this because I am slightly ticked off right now and want to declare it to someone at the very least. Some politicians need to learn to stop screwing with my town. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Give 'em hell! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." – Levivich 02:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In case that wasn't obvious, that is exactly my philosophy for editing on wiki! &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 08:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ho wadi d you go with my articles (i might need some infoboed completed to, is that okay my friend. Possible you are pissed off for not winning previous election, i that right, anyhow Happy New Year!!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 04:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC) Either way, I forgot to do the infoboxes; sorry! However, I have some great news for you!!! Charles P. Roland made it to the front page and got 1,500 views! Also, there's now a photo for Queenie Ashton! {  It's an absolutely amazing one, too!  &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 08:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Was wondering if we could combine both The Watson brothers in on entry under List of surviving silent film actors, as there is no specific articles on them, and the wiki links to The Watson Family  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, i forgot oops on an older post, ho wadi you go for the licensed imaging for Queenie Ashton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 05:10, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not really upset about losing. I'm more upset about how certain folks in my town have acted now that I lost.
 * Also, I'm not sure we can do that for the Watson brothers. I think that list is just for living actors, and I don't think they'll be alive forever. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 08:04, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank-you, yes i can understand how youfeel when people are not considerate!!!. Thank you for the picture of Queenie Ashton, wasn't she just stunning in her day, Also thank you for creating the article on Professor Charles P. Roland, and excellent that he made front page, truly a great man with a great insight!!!, the article i wanted to create is a seperate one for popular dwarf actor Harry Earles one of The Munchkins from The Wizard of Oz, Also was wondering how to nominate an article for a star rating, i am proposing a "good article" select for Sir Cliff Richard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 10:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Rep
Honestly, if it is someone outside of the issue, I'm calm and fine with them. My issue is primarily with someone in the issue or an outside person who tries to takeover. My issues have been with Snoogans as he has issues with TE. MrX and I have had issues with him trying to take over the situation without finding out what was going on. Add on my attempts to get the situation focused and there just not being an agreement on getting there. We got the article re-titled which I agreed with, outside of that we haven't gotten far. I don't intend to cause any issues with people. It is just frustration with the lack of effort to improve the article in the face of efforts to just get rid of it. I've always been blunt with my views on here. It is only way my historical discussions have gotten done when being straightforward got the ball rolling.-- Will C  16:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's fine and all, but I don't know what to tell you (hence why I just kind of left this response hanging here). The question is do you even want to work with Snoogans at this point or are you kind of just done with them? There's really no middle ground there, I'm afraid. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:33, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with working with them if they are, but continuous walls to progress aren't going to get us anywhere.--WillC 09:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Provisional header
Hello, did you receive my message/s, i will also let you know which inboxes need doing soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 06:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry! I'm on standby for when you need me. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:33, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet investigation
Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

WANDERING STILL VAGABOND
Hello, how are you my friend, happy new year, sorry about the member above who has labelled you a "sock puppet", I'm sure you will get as you do always and forever sorted out, with no hard feelings. I Think before we add th einfobozes, can we go back and fix the other articles first, firstly of Virginia McLaurin, who we stated SHOULD get recognition for her contributions not only as a supercentenarian, but to humanity and society, adding to list List of centenarians), in the selection ACTICVISTS, NO-PROFIT LEADER, AND PHILANTHROPISTS) (2) Could we please with your help create a page for Dwarf actor [[Harry Earles from The Wizard of Oz a special entry. (3) Going way way back nearly forgot about we talked about the Australian Actor Mr. Alan Rowe, we had trouble finding informations on him and  whether he is actually still around, he was pretty old when he was in the TV series PRISONER: CELL BLOCK H, i did find something the actor who was bit player normally for the Grundy Organisation, at DOISCOGS that he even recored a single (Record)  called "Puffing Billy" (4) The next is a blog, i see i changed article List of surviving silent film actors, i removed some people names on the list, per non notability policy wikipedia, and they where changed back!!!!, HOWEVER in this incidence i believe the reverter was correct, because while the artists where not so notable, they appeared in a NOTABLE PRODUCTION , which of course was Our Gang, (5)Ahh, and finally..... nominating a wikipedia article for a "star" as  a star article, can you please do for me, i nominated Sir Cliff Richard, as he is one of my favourites singers and i know many people would disagree, as per usual, but i think he is actually better than Elvis Presley.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 08:54, 2 January 2020 (UTC) (1) Sounds good with Virginia McLaurin (I'll do it now). (2)Harry Earles sadly does not meet WP:NACTOR, so the article would likely be deleted. (3) I have access to some newspapers now that I didn't before, so I'll see what I can find on Allan Rowe. (4) Glad that worked out! { (5)Oof, getting a that little star has not been something I have ever even came close to achieving in my time on Wikipedia. I could get it to be a good article though, but I would need to recruit other people to get Sir Cliff Richard to featured article status. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, did you receive my message/s, have done filmography, needs restoration, references and categories for English Australian actor Terence Donovan (actor), i will ad later links to the productions, thanks, regards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 14:07, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * IS EVERYTHING OKAY!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 23:55, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry I just got distracted with watching YouTube when I woke up this morning. Also, some user apparently called me a sockpuppet last night. That was a bit odd since I am clearly am not a sock puppet and was reporting that Sock puppet to administrators.

Hello, sorry of the delay, don't get upset or worry about the meter calling you a sock pupput, you know how i feel now, when being picked don or bully by other editors, maybe you should take that advice you gave me and just Breathe|, now regarding articles  i really do think the Harry Earles article has a chance , as he was in some very famous, and  productions and roles, even  Gracie Doll, If the either 2 members of The Doll Family, are credible to have there own seperate articles, i can't see why these 2 can't. You should easy get meter stop the Sir Cliff Richard article, with so many fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 03:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC) I'll be honest and say that I don't think those two articles should exist either. Honestly, I probably should nominate them for deletion or at least redirect them to the main article. They're not particularly notable as individuals, but they are rather notable as a group. I'll put out the word to see if anyone wants to help out with Sir Cliff Richard, but I must warn you that will be a months-long endeavor. Featured articles are extremely high quality. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not too worried about the sockpuppetry thing. It's confusing if nothing else is all.

Thanks for all your assistance and hard work, i think you are probably right,The Doll Family  are probably best known as a quartet at least in the travelling sideshow/ circus atmosphere, although Harry did have a role in The Wizard of Oz, as a member of the lollipop guild, who hand's Dorothy Gale a lollipop when she arrives in Oz, lol, anyhow, thanks secondly for the artilc ework on Virginia McLaurin, i  think however the larger photo of her smiling, and she has a beautiful smile, is clearer for the main pic, could you review. thirdly how did you go on our ALAN ROWE, there where several actors with the same name, i found he recorded a single (record) called Puffing Billy, as part of the promotion of a tourism campaign for the new railway networks that was opening in Melbourne at the time. Now for a 6popular article, i know you have as you said never had an article given a star rating, i am extremely confident you can, the fact that the article you created on Charles P. Roland when to front page, (i only added several details or pieces) is assertion of it, i think Cliff Richard can be given a star rated page, pages you say are "Extremely High Quality" are only considered , i think Cliff is Extremely High Quality, lol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 01:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

NEW MESSAGE
Just regarding the Charles P. Roland article again i see the title as CHARLES P. ROLAND, in inbox heading it states CHARLES PIERCE ROLAND, shouldn't t be the same as the heading, there should d be section in the INFOBOX, you know i am fussy about this, but there should d be a section that staes Birth Name or Full Name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 04:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC) Doing infoboxes is fine with me! I'll also start the process for merging the Daisy Earles and Elly Annie Schneider articles into the main one. Also, getting Charles P. Roland to the front page was a lot easier than getting it to featured article. It just ran on the "Did you know ..." section of the front page. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 20:11, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Also as you where not on stand-by, someone corrected the filmography section for removing categories and references for Terence Donovan, i am taking a break from doing these filmography as they sometimes can be a lengthy process, so we can do some add INFOBOXES, is that okay?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 04:08, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Just found the Daisy Earles (she was sometimes known as or billed as The mini Mae West) and Tiny Doll do have seperate pages, so should we just link them to the main article of The Doll Family, also known as The Dancing Dolls. Kind Regards  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 04:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That is fine you got sidetracked listening to Youtube, i din't realise or at least forgot the time, in the USA clock, i have family from the state of Florida, anyway just for your information, or if you didn't know i am from Gosford, New South Wales, Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Part of it's my fault because when we first met, I think it was 3:40am for me. I still do that a lot, and I kinda spoil you with how often I stay up to make edits lol! I'm trying to get a more normal sleep cycle than that though, so I went to bed early last night (last edit was at 9 O'Clock). Apologies for the delay.
 * Also, I hope you don't mind that I switched the lead image for Virginia McLaurin again. However, you requested we focus more on the volunteering aspect of her life, so I figured it would be better seeing her in action with the photo. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 20:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

The Dancing Dolls
Hello, thank you fo your message, yes see how you go merging the articles, for the 2 members on the Doll/Earles family, the dolls where a close-knit family who ate, lived and performed together, did you know they actually had a house in California, that was fitted out exclusively as a Dollhouse, with all the furnishing's and fitting's custom designed to accommodate them comfortably,. They had a successful run in sideshows like Ringling Brothers and Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus and performed at such venue as Coney Island, it was only really Harry Earles who became mega famous and had the most successful career in films, so i don't know why the other's were given special articles. Thank-you for your tidying and cleaning up of the articles however, i like the way you do things so professionally and with so much clarity, i think that's why your Charles P. Roland article received much praise. Will get back with them infoboxes to update. I don't have a headset at the moment so am purchasing new ones later this week, so i can easier take calls, correspondence and use Siri. kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 11:45, 5 January 2020 (UTC) Also, a new headset sounds awesome! Make sure you get something comfortable!! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * HELLO, COULD YOU PLEASE FIX Mary Ward (disambiguation) page, infoboxes are for Ruth Hamilton and Prue McSween  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 14:35, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * also i think Mary Ward (suffragist) should be placed under section of "Writers" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * On it now! :D &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In general, it is easier to write about obscure topics and bring them to higher standards than it is for widely known ones. That's why Cliff Richard is going to be such a hard article to write
 * Also, since I see you're editing right now, I'll warn you that I'm off to bed right now. Good night! { &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:52, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

okay, will let you know of the helps i need for tomorrow, i don't like doing any filmography or anythink like that when you are not on stand-by, to correct them quickly, before i get labelled a vandal, lol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 06:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Portrait of a Lady on Fire
Re WP:Discord: My interests and activities regarding Wikipedia, remain within Wikipedia. I accept Wikipedia for what it is, or else I could not be an editor in it; but in real life I don't subject myself to moderators and administrators. I maintain as small a footprint as possible. I don't "join" and I don't "chat". Pyxis Solitary  (yak). L not Q. 08:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I confused things at all. I wasn't inviting you to WP:Discord (though of course you are welcomed there anytime), I was giving you a disclaimer of off-wiki discussion having taken place. My apologies. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 14:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification. Pyxis Solitary   (yak) . L not Q. 01:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Virginia McLaurin?
I like the picture of Virginia McLaurin, did you add to List of centenarians (activists, non-profit leaders and philanthropists), the Sir Cliff article should be difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 15:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ and I'll say! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you could you do infobox for Jess Conrad also some of the Mary Ward articles, i went to Cliff Richard concert  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 16:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC) As to expanding all four articles: Hmmm, I'm not sure I could do all four for you. You've given me a lot to do, and I haven't even started with Cliff Richard!! I'll do the infoboxes in a bit, but I also gotta help some people with other things as well. Kindest Regards, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Mary Alice Ward and Mary Ward (nurse), and Mary Jane Ward and Mary Ward (scientist) need extending, sorry to ask so much, but good to get you why you are on stand-buy and available for publishing, also you will see i have also added to al the MARY WARD articles a disambiguation link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh awesome; thank you for adding those links!
 * Infoboxes are done exempt for Mary Ward (scientist). There's technically already an infobox for that article, and I am not allowed to change it without an explicit consensus to do so. I have a job interview tomorrow, so I'll be off to bed in a bit. Regards, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, how are you, for all this work and i thank you for adding Virginia McLaurin to List of centenarians (activists, non-profit leaders and philanthropists), unfortuanately someone the same member DERBY, that we had troubles with in the past, has reverted it, there is no real consensus WHY? she should not be on list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC) member user:DerbyCountyinNZ, if you look at his talk page, he has done numerou sactual editing to page with Lists of centenarians, i think he must think that he owns the whole page? idon't mean to sound NASTY?, but he does not other editors have just as much jurisdiction to add content as he is!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 09:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC) i need help?, user:DerbyCountyinNZ, has just wrote message of blocking, we have done nothing wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC) I have tried to contact user/member Mr. user:DerbyCountyinNZ, seemingly you cannot send a message to his account, not even to say HI!!!, lol. He stated take the issue to talk page for List of centenarians (activists, non-profit leaders and philanthropists), i am not going to because i really can't understand what he's fuss or concern is all about?

DYK for Charlie Rosen (musician)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Re:Welcome back.
Dear User:MJL, thank you for the kind wish on my talk page. I am really happy to be back and your thoughtful words made my day. With warm regards, AnupamTalk 13:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Epstein didn't kill himself
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Avoiding painful issues
Hello, my friend, how are you, i sent you message/s above, didnt no if you received them on not, via the time difference again, firstly i have an article for you to restore as i have completed entire filmography, they can be tiresome, Diane Craig Northern Ireland-born Australian character actress, born 1949-, also now regarding the article we shoul d ry Virginia McLaurin, to erestore it, and also i se eyou stat ethings like it is better to upgrade article than to star quality other, as you know as politician in public office, we should not avoid issues that are CONTROVERSIAL,  i do view user:DerbyCountyinNZ as a form of severe bullying!!!!, that should not really be exceptable at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk • contribs) 14:38, January 8, 2020 (UTC)

HELLO. YOU RECEIVE MY FRIEND MY MESSAGE/S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk • contribs) 01:46, January 8, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi MJL and WV. FYI, I removed the edit warring warning from WV's talk page–WV only made one edit to the article in question, and I don't see how that could possibly merit an edit warring warning. I assume the editor who placed it there just made a mistake and didn't mean to bully or anything like that. WV, I'm sure MJL will respond when they get a chance, but you know, we're all volunteers and have other responsibilities, there is no deadline, etc. etc. Cheers! – Levivich 03:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Much Appreciated, yes, i hope my dear friend MJL message me soon, i hope they are okay, i haven't heard from them, so you start to worry maybe they have accident or something — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry do have just disappeared! I've been spending a lot of time with family recently and other IRL activities that have kept me busy. For example, recently ruined my car's motor which now has to get fixed. When I get everything sorted out, I'll be back then. Kindest Regards, &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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Inspired by your creative alternatives to deletion and split XfD decisions...
Hi ,

As the heading suggests, I thought I would share with you this recent amendment to one of my MfD !votes as a potentially creative alternative to deletion in the MfD discussion for User:Bryan.Wade. Policy-wise, there is no, as far as I'm aware, decision to support deletion, which is why I supported "keep" originally. However, I fundamentally have a problem with editors displaying wiki awards like Vanguard Editor to which they're not entitled and which seem like "stolen wiki valor" to me. So, examining the editor's diffs and assuming good faith, I thought moving to a subpage of the editor's userpage is the best solution here. What do you think? Feel free to peer review my comment(s), if you wish.

Cheers,

--Doug Mehus T · C  17:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)=

Nomination for deletion of Template:Discouraged2
Template:Discouraged2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Merging comments
Hello could you please do a INFOBOX for Henry Burling, thank you, regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Article to recover Roger Climpson, references etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, how are you, with article Olivia de Havilland states her birth as Tokyo, Japan, is it actually correct, that this was then known as the Empire of Japan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

WANDERING LOST
When are you back for publishing, i would really like you to take over the rendering of "Filmography" lists, for me this is becoming to stressful and controversial, after thr removing of references and categories, external links etc. and also help with infoboxes, most other things nminor editing i can handle myself fairly okay, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm somewhat back to regular editing, but I'm not feeling tip-top. I currently have a kidney stone, and I spent all morning in the hospital. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello thank-you for your message, always nice to hear from you, you cheer me up.lol, i hope you are okay, and was well-serviced by a professional medical staff, yes i like rather love doing the Filmography's but as the reference's and other informations are removed, some people "jump the gun"  and think it is intentional vandalism, what i want to do was go back to Olive Oyl portrayor Margie Hines, (we still don't know if she is living, it is quite likely she was passed away, but we don't have a specific date and place or cause of death) for you to do the filmography of voiceover work, sometime adding them can be tiring, some actor/actress may have some 400 or 500 credits to there name, and then denoting a series, if he or she has been in, i like to write thing correctly with the date the episode and date that it went to broadcast, to be specific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 15:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:R from meme
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Category:Unblockable users
Hello, MJL,

This category was the subject of a CfD (Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 6) and was deleted. I'm wondering why you recreated it a short while afterwards. Thanks for any information you offer. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well basically, as you can see here, was using that category as a redlink. I figured someone would have said something after a month. Since Jehochman was both the closing administrator and the only user with that category, I figured its use was intentional. Therefore, since it appeared in Special:WantedCategories, I had to correct this with a redirect. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Spacing
Hello, how are you, hope you are okay, did you receive my message/s. may be you can help me learn how to add these Filmography sections;, it would of course make thing's so much easier, if i can just master this one MAJOR problem. also can please do infobox for Ted Nichols — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * hello, are you there my friend — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 21:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * hello, you are okay? can help with the above inquiries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 01:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry I really am not able to be as active as I once was. There's a lot of stuff I need to get done in real life, and I won't be able to help you like I used to. :( &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Get well soon!
Sorry to hear you've been feeling baaaad. Hopefully you're back back to tip top shape soon!

WanderingWanda (talk) 03:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/> Hello, how are you, i understand you have not been well, and are not as active at the moment, i am sure and remain faithful that things will improve for you soon, i understand you cant help as to a full scale now, but as i said if we get these filmography problems etc out the way, it will make thinks easier — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC) Also i forgot to mention that the poster of Queenie Ashton was removed, because they didn't think it meet Wikipedia guidelines for public images of celebrities — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 03:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I was just ...
about to move your sandbox to a newly named column, "Obituary". When I got the "nevermind" notice. There is a very short write up now in News and notes. I was going to ask in the newsroom discussion if we really wanted to do obits, and let the short term vote decide. Properly handling obituaries is really difficult, but since we messed it up so badly last month, I didn't want to say no myself. If you want the sandbox in this issue, just say yes on my talk page and I'll also just link to it in News and notes. Thanks,

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 21:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, that works great!! Though a cut-and-paste move of this is preferred to keep my sandbox history in tact. I didn't think it was any good, so I kinda backed out. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll do my best. Sorry to say, I'm quite busy right now, so I'll avoid responding more. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 22:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Totally understandable. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Kidney Stone flush out
Hello, did you receive my message/s, how is your kidney stone disease, hope you are not in to much pain, if you cant help at the current time, is it possible you could get someone to do the filmography.s and infobox sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2020 (UTC) I can still get the image thing sorted out, but would you be willing to help with the Filmography/Infobox stuff? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm doing a lot better now, but now I have a lot going on in real life with politics and such.
 * Whats the page in question? I'll take a look and see if its up my alley. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank-you for your message, it is actually so pleasing just to get some positive news for once, rather than some negative news!!, but yes i knew it would be fine because i have known heaps of people that have had Kidney Stone disease, as well as Gall Stones also. The article we are looking at is again Margie Hines and viewing her talk page as such we are still not able to establish her date of birth or even death, if she has now passed away, we have a UK website genealogy which seems to be accurate, but of course we cannot use original research as a definite conclusion, but anyhow what i am really looking for is a Filmography added for her of all her voice roles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 02:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Howdy hello! By filmography, I suspect you mean a formal chart/table. Creating a filmography is not a simple undertaking, you ought take a look at WP:FILMOGRAPHY, and view the source code of the tables. Do you have a set of sources that discuss her filmography? Starting with a bulleted list of roles, and then converting into a table, can be an easier option. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, usually when a filmography is added and uploaded to a article it is more common than not, a formal table, that denotes the name of the production, the year and the role the actor/actresses played, of course filmography not only denotes the film they may have appeared but also television roles, internet roles, voice over for screen and video games etc. Like an example a filmography section for actress Judy Garland, if however there are numerous credits the filmography may beon a seperate page like Laurel and Hardy for example, which would also link to a seperate article of there solo acting appearances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.229.8 (talk) 21:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I certainly know what a filmography is, what I'm getting at is: you would like to add one, yes? If so, you will need to find some sources that discuss her roles, create a list of them, and then enter them into a formal filmography chart. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes,i am asking for this as i don't know how to do well, we usually just use IMDb for Filmography sections.

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Hello, i don't think they will allow us to add the image for actress Queenie Ashton as it does not exist to Wikicommons anymore.

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DYK nomination of Visium Asset Management
Hello! Your submission of Visium Asset Management at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems consensus was in favor of inclusion, so I've restored the content. Thank you for the note! :D &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:08, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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Adminship
I am thinking about going for an RfA in recent times since I have forgone creating articles in order to work with NPP and pending changes reviewing. I've decided that now's the time to do it. I can remember once you suggested me to go for RfA and I doubted to go for that at that time but now I am willing to do that. Would you be willing to nominate me for RfA? If you have spare time you can review my editing history. Abishe (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Message me on WP:Discord about it. :) &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

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Winged Blades of Godric
Hello. You asked for evidence concerning whether Winged Blades of Godric is subject to outside influence. I wrote a Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents about it. Chisme (talk) 01:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * At the ANI thread, you describe a living person as a dirt bag. Whatever you think of them, that isn't acceptable on any forum. Respectfully suggest you remove that yourself before someone notices. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:20, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, it's removed, but I don't feel good about it. } &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing that. FWIW, I know what you mean, but we just aren't permitted to use words like that about specific living individuals no matter what they're guilty of. If Hitler was alive, you wouldn't be allowed to call him a dirt bag, you'd just have to call him a 'Fascist leader who was personally responsible for the torture and murder of several million men, women and children', and just hope that people would read between the lines and infer that you don't think he was a particularly nice chap.
 * By the way, I find your 'safe mediation space' idea quite interesting. I had a similar idea a couple of months back, but it was going in a slightly different direction - I thought about opening a 'Pub', where people could unwind, blow off steam, talk nonsense and chew things over in an informal manner. I wasn't confident that it would work though, and I never did anything about it, so kudos to you for at least giving it a try. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Moved comment from Sandbox

 * I am not feeling unwelcome here. Nor do I feel that everyone is harassing me. There is a group of editors yes, and then we know that ANI is not TEAHOUSE so I was prepared. There are a lot of "non admin" commenters at ANI who should look for something else to contribute.
 * Yes, I can see how he can be acting, and this is not a new revelation., Calling a person ridiculous or his AfD (which BTW have no glaring errors) as ridiculous is not "simply an innocent comment". Will I run to ANI asking for a block for it, obviously not. It was an uncalled for remark and the editor was made aware of it using the community accepted way of standard template. Rookie mistake made by a veteran editor of 16 years ? This is the first time I am hearing about a rookie with "only" 16 years of experience. Again having been editing here for 16 years it is hard to believable he is unaware of WP:ACDS, and even if he was, the whole point of the alert is to click it and read it. If the users are not reading then the process/template needs improvement. He could have asked questions on DS alert if he considered it some sort of warning. Finally I know where he might be coming from but that is not in any way a justification of what he did.  D Big X ray ᗙ  15:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

DJM pointed that it violated the sandbox rules. May be it did. So it is here. I don't want to spoil your efforts for mediation there. I have responded to your comments for now. Sandbox is watchlisted. I will see if other 2 editors participate and there is a need for me to respond. wait and watch for now.  D Big X ray ᗙ  16:48, 16 February 2020 (UTC) By the way, rookie mistake has two definitions: (1) a mistake made by a rookie or (2) a stupid mistake made by someone else who isn't one. If that wasn't clear, then it's on me. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, the point of the rules is so you can engage with them. If you can't find two nice things to say about one of your fellow editors on the project, then how is there any hope in proceeding?

Thankyou for attempts at mediation Sbox 6
@MJL, Thankyou for your recent attempt to moderate a mediation.Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC) I probably made things worse in the long run... &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 08:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC) Listen, I consider you a wikifriend. I cannot overstate that enough. In fact, the entire point of the mediation, flawed as it may be, was to bail you out of the last AN/I thread to give you time to think clearly. I know you are a good person and a net positive, but DBigXray you are just so stubborn sometimes. Absolutely no one will file an AN/I report against if you just said you were sorry for how you acted and sought to make amends. If I, a 21-year-old kid, can find the room in my heart to forgive the people who called for me to be indefinitely blocked, followed me to other projects, threatened real life retaliation for my actions on wiki... if I can forgive all that... then why can't you forgive the others who you say wronged you here? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC) As for your question, this is what I mean. Actively banning people from your talk page only seeks to escalate the situation further. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It'd have been better if I was successful /
 * The attempt to mediation started on the wrong foot and I would also add badly mediated. MJL ended up giving the DBigXray haters yet another platform to continue their vitriol and campaign of hate against DBigXray and take potshots at him, after the ANI was closed without their desires being fulfilled. As I see it, they participated there with an intention to disrupt it, with what they had essentially been doing at the ANI thread, and then put all the blame of its failure on DBigXray. It is obvious (as was disclosed later) that the page was being used as a "forerunner to the next ANI thread" to get their wishes against DBigXray fulfilled. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the positive feedback... }
 * The feedback was a frank one without mincing words. I do strongly believe that you started the page with good intention trying something that you felt could work, and I know that you have already heard from others on their user talk about the rules. Not sure what is giving you an impression that my thoughts are muddied, no they are very clear. Regarding the comments on stubbornness, I consider myself a reasonable person and looking at my comments on AfDs and content disputes, you will find me frequently striking my previous comments and often I even go as far as making a complete U-turn, with respect to me earlier positions when during the course of discussion new facts and evidence emerge that I was previously not aware of. Since you have not reviewed the entire case and the diffs let me tell you that there was nothing in this case for me to say sorry about and I do believe that I owe an apology for the conduct of these users named on ANI. To give you a couple of examples, Leprivark considers that the insults to me came in response to my AfD noms, that is just factually wrong, the fact remains that I was attacked without any provocations frm my side, second example was about the scores of deletion templates on Soman's page. Leprivark continued saying, that I was incorrect and there weren't as many deletion notices, on his page as I had been claiming, you just need to look into the talk page history or the recent bot archive pages, (that Soman has not linked from his userpage for unknown reasons), to find the "scores" of deltion notices. Talking about forgiveness, if you look at my reply to DJM, I already prayed for their wellbeing, what makes you think that I have not already forgiven them for what they did to me ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  16:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You underestimate my knowledge of the case. I am fully aware of all this.
 * Without any explicit confirmation that you have indeed reviewed the case in its entirety, I can only make assumption based on what you have said and what you have not said. Regarding your point that banning him will escalate, that is your perspective to look at it. It has already escalated to what it already is and if it escalates further from here, then it was destined to go that way regardless of my ban. Based on whatever was said and whatever was not said, and more stuff that I found after digging around (that I did not speak of yet), I made a final decision after assessing the pros and cons of every thing that might happen after I did what I did. Interesting fact, as far as I can remember he is the only Wikipedia user right now who I have banned from my user talk. This obviously doesn't mean he is in any way worst that I have seen in this case or encountered throughout my editing history, it only means that I have determined (based on existing facts) that any future interaction between him will only lead to heat and no benefit to wikipedia, accordingly I did what I see is best, for our mutual peace of mind. And no it does not mean I have not forgiven him, I have. These things are not mutually exclusive. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  17:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I want to put it on record that my actions were not influenced by any bust-up between and InedibleHulk (whom I interact with a lot), because I only learnt of those on 16 February 2020 (had I known earlier, I would have said something). If anything else was dug up, I don't care. I only want to clarify this point.  starship  .paint  (talk) 02:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Look, I mapped out how many Indian politics-related AFDs between you both in the last two months, and it's kinda excessive even if successful. You can't blame Djm-leighpark for being upset if you are expecting them to comment on more than 50 seperate AFDs just to raise the same objection. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at User_talk:Djm-leighpark. diff Are editors allowed to go around and bad mouth people in this way ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * To me, it seems that is upset that you and  several articles in a series for deletion. There is nothing wrong inherently with Djm-leighpark saying "I think that was unfair."
 * I will comment quite a number of these are political organisation regional branches (WP:BRANCH) and not so bad if identified as such or bundled for a consistent result delete/redirect to the parent "wing" organisation; but I'll probably save what I've got to say in general for scrutiny at a DRV use case I'm expecting to raise.Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Calling it upset is a massive understatement. He is badmouthing others blatantly violating WP:HARASS and WP:ASPERSION and using it as an excuse to reclaim deleted articles.
 * I have no back channel means of communication with that user and it is absolutely inappropriate to imply or accuse of that.
 * I am not responsible for what the other user does on Wikipedia. If you find his afDs problematic, go hang them, for all I care, but don't blame me for something that I have not done.
 * Similarly who comments in an AfD is not something I can be held responsible for.
 * A lot of these political SPAMs must not have been created or allowed to linger, but some of these creators have wP:autopatrolled flag and the creation of these articles is a massive misuse of Autopatrol.
 * I stand by each and every AfD that I have nominated or commented upon. And if you want to discuss any I can respond to your questions.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:46, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Off-topic discussion related to MJL's age
Didn't want to intrude into a two-way conversation, so creating this as a separate off-topic discussion in a sub-section (feel free to move to a second-level section, if desired), but in regards to "If I, a 21-year-old kid, can find the room in my heart to forgive [...]," you're only 21!? You have the wisdom and rationality of someone in their late 40s to early 50s or more. My mouth dropped when I read that. Doug Mehus T · C  16:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC) In my experience, people project a lot of different things onto me. I just go with it at this point. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @: Ha ha, yeah... I wasn't sure when to tell you about that. I thought the me being wise thing was kind of like a joke at first, but then I realized you genuinely didn't know I was younger.
 * LOL, have I pointed out the wise thing before? At any rate, now I feel old—well, sort of. I noticed Wikimedia Foundation's executive director Katherine Maher is only ~2 weeks older than me, so I'm conflicted now as to whether to feel old or young. Tough philosophical questions... is there a -pedia for that? ;-) Doug Mehus T · C  18:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not that it's a contest or anything, but I'm even younger . I've been told I'm very mature for my age. Clover moss  (talk) 00:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Wow, that's great to see teenagers editing English Wikipedia so prolificly. Great work! (Now I do feel old.) Doug Mehus T · C  00:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Considering how MJL is handling my case, I am not surprised at all. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  17:36, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oof, now that just hurts. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No offence, but why should you have all the fun ;) -- D Big X ray ᗙ  17:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Otter Delight
Hello, how are you, hope you are okay, sorry for not messaging for long time, i really thought that i had overstepped the mark, asking for so much assistance and help on articles, i hope you are able to still be the otter for me, i know you had some health concerns and also taking a much needed break, so okay we can start with repairing some infoboxes and filmography's, kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 05:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If anything, I should be the one apologizing. Instead of just letting you know that I was burning out, I just I went radio silent instead. I'm back now, and I'm all ready to help! :D &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, could you please add an infobox for Thelma Scott a, Anne Looby and Michelle Pettigrove also the article regarding Queenie Ashton had to be removed due to copyright infringement issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes are now done, and I'll get email some people tomorrow about getting the image back up for Queenie Ashton. For now, off to bed! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, been editing tireless, just completed A Country Practice article, could you please add a filmography for Margie Hines]] as we still don't have one, kindly appreciated  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * { &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:01, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

nac
Uh oh...your page showed up in my watchlist, so I checked out your userpage, noticed your commonly used templates, and that nac is supposed to be substituted. I've been transcluding it! I feel terrible, but, evidently, I see it's got 4,872 transclusions and only probably 5-10 of those are mine (at most). Is that something that we could use AWB for to substitute those incorrect transclusions, and is this worth fixing? On a priority scale, how critical would you rank it (10 being hyper critical; 1 being eventually)?

Cheers,

Doug Mehus T · C  03:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest and say straightforward that I have been willfully transcluding the template with complete disregard to the template's documentation. Therefore, in my humble opinion, I'd rate it a 0. Transcluding practically never causes any errors, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , that makes me feel better knowing you've done the same thing. Honestly, I feel like transcluding this template is actually a better way to go, so that any updates to the template are automatically updated. Plus, transcluded templates are, I suspect, harder to delete at TfD since they have hard numbers showing usage, though this is just based on anecdotal information. ;-) Doug Mehus T · C  14:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Interlude
hello, howler you, see you have added a couple of credits for Margie Hines she according to IMDb appeared in 82 short films, i understand you cannot add it all and this is ImdB not the most reliable of sources anyhow,could you please add however the first 2 listings in the paragraph, because at least these where feature length animations, Gullivers Travels and Mr Bug Goes to Town, there are also some short films under reference 4, which even includes some youtube video samples of her singing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 04:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can do! :D &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, sorry the message was incepted with the previous members message/s, thank s of the help on the article Margie Hines, can you let me know how to seperate to add the paragraphs of filmography, as to not remove all categories and references, this would solve so many hassles, wouldn't it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 01:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank's for your assistance i di think like you,that the image/picture of Queenie Ashton was in the archives, however regarding again Virginia McLaurin, was apparently remove titled "Virginia McLaurin volunteering in 2015, so have re-added the previous, "Virgina McLauin Smiling" let me know if this is fine and by the way a lovely pic of her, the picture had to be removed because it is not on the wikipedia sister site project the wikimedia commons, hence not in the public domain, because it was taken from the website Flickr which are apparently private and/or licensed image/s, unfortunately the site in itself has apparently came under fire on several occasions for breaching copyright infringements federal laws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 01:26, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * someone removed the filmography i wrote for Diane Craig — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.35.147 (talk) 04:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit Checks
Could also you see the informations on Diane Craig and A Country Practice and see what needed to fixed There seems to be some debate on whether the article on Margie Hines is a stub — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 11:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC) (2) Diane Craig is now completely taken care of, and (3) I'll have to get to the rest later. I'm off to bed now. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (1) Margin Hines is definitely not a stub, but I did add a template to expand the filmography section.

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I like you article on the Australian TV series Homicide, and congratulation's on it, yes i like you like to know the edisops on a specific seriesi think they should do that for more, even in filmography's i like to list the episode that someone has been in. now regarding the MarginHines aarticle, i see now see it is not actually a stub as such,as long as it is encyclopedia, could you please add those 2 films extra i asked of previous, just a side note how did you like the picture of Virginia McLaurin, could you please addsome infoboxes Henri Szeps, Geoffrey Atherden andd Martin Vaughan, oops forgot also Grahame Bond
 * Hello, are you able to do these infoboxes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.102.44 (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup! All done now! :D &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

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