User talk:MJL/Archive 26(a)

Signpost article
Hello MJL,

You probably already saw the ping, but there's going to be a story in The Signpost on the Scots Wikipedia incident next month. Could you take a look at the draft article at Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/News and notes ? Anything in particular you think that's misleading, or some topic not there that should be included? SnowFire (talk) 03:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Can we please call out the fact that Vice actually misrepresented what the Scots language even is (basically mixing it up with Scottish Gaelic). &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That seems logical - but I didn't write that half (I made the CRC part) - I realise that's not clear, so you needed to ping both to be sure you got the right one. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Vice & the NY Post's articles were tabloidy and horrible and just wrong. I'd say the Vice article's biggest crime is mixing up the time and over-emphasizing the amount of actionable negative feedback AG received before the incident, really - outsiders don't understand that two people showing up on your talk page to yell at you is the price of doing business, and quite under expectations for seven years of editing.  SnowFire (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I would really say the biggest crime was misunderstanding the Scots. Factual inaccuracies, like the one you just mentioned, are expected and not damaging in the long term so long as the truth gets out there. However, misrepresenting what the Scots language even is can't be undone for anyone who has already read that article and walked away from it. It just shows how little they care, and I know they don't care because I emailed the reporter to explain this with no response. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's Vice, I wouldn't worry about it. A lot fewer people read/watch them than you'd think (I'd know, my old company used to put up some Vice content, and I saw the numbers.)  For the reporter you emailed, see https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html :
 * A senior manager once joked that the company’s hiring strategy had a “22 Rule”: “Hire 22-year-olds, pay them $22,000, and work them 22 hours a day."
 * SnowFire (talk) 21:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

"PopCulture.com" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect PopCulture.com. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 30 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Cross-wiki abuse" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:Cross-wiki abuse. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 1 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 01:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Adminship request
Hello


 * I have been a user on Wikipedia for a long time now. I wanted to acquire adminship to stop vandalism on particular pages that contain topics which are extremely communal in our country but are protected by extended protection. I request you to please nominate me as I gone through the Rfa guidelines and I think I am capable of being an Admin.

Thank you! Superbsic (talk) 08:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Long time? You've been here 6 days.  qedk ( t  愛  c ) 08:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * While I am honored that you came to me for a nomination despite us never having met before, but seems to have a good point. Maybe you should wait a bit? Like a year? &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Wayward Vagabond
Hello, yes my friend it is me, i noticed you message me, i hope you have been okay , i am all the more better from hearing from you. i missed you, you are always so kind and gracious, lots of love and best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.135.203 (talk) 12:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yay!! Amazing! I missed you too!!! I'm not as active as I once was, but I still missed talking to you. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 14:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:PageLinks/redirect
Module:PageLinks/redirect has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:12, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

TheWikiWizard/Issues/September 2020
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ARCA
Hi. You can ignore the ping you'll get from me. I missed the meme on first reading and had to Google it to figure out what you meant. Newyorkbrad (talk) 08:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh lol. I had fair warning that not everyone would get it, but I couldn't help but say it anyways! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

October editathons from Women in Red
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Sooo
As I recall, you went to scowiki to escape drama. How'd that work out? Anyway, I think you're doing a bang-up job of crisis management, you should send the WMF a bill when you're done. Lev!vich 05:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC) In all seriousness, I really don't deserve much praise. and have shown themselves to be better admins than the project ever could've asked for. While it's nice that Scots Wikipedia has me, the project is incredibly lucky to have those two. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's funny how things work out haha. I think the only person getting a bill any time soon will be my therapist, though.

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Brian Wenzel
In May 2019 you tagged Brian Wenzel with BLP sources, citation style and tone. Could you clarify on Talk:Brian Wenzel what the issues are with tone? Newystats (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

[Help!] I don't know how to publish my article! (´0ω0`✿)
Hello sibling,

Thank you for helping me get my Draft:Jamie Peck article back, i actually just finished it! That is write, the first full draft is done!

My next question is how do i get my article added to wikiprojects, since i think that makes it easier for certain people to find them right? Then more obviously, how do i actually publish it?

Thanks! ~𝓜𝓙𝓛&#39;𝓼 𝓔𝓿𝓲𝓵 𝓢𝓲𝓼𝓽𝓮𝓻 (talk) 02:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to DRN Event
Hello,. At the direction of administrator Tenryuu, an event has been arranged to discuss the influence and inspiration the American Revolution on the French Revolution. You are invited to attend. Best Wishes. 021120x (talk) 12:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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November edit-a-thons from Women in Red
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A beer for you!

 * Thank you, but I don't drink! { &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol, neither am I. Enjoyer of World💬 20:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Whack!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromi Mikhael (talk • contribs) 02:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose you review my userpage? (My email says that you're reviewing my userpage) I think only mainspace articles should be reviewed...Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 03:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, well we need to review user pages as well in case there is any copyright violations or the like. You can read more about the process here. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh well then. If that's the case, please review my userpage....I have a lot of content in there....🥺 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 03:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No need, you first made it back in July. Cheers, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.


 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Old portal peer review
Template:Old portal peer review has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Tom (LT) (talk) 00:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Marketing companies of Africa


A tag has been placed on Category:Marketing companies of Africa requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Comunión Tradicionalista (1975)


Hello, MJL. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Comunión Tradicionalista".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 00:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it bad I don't even remember writing this? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Notification of RfC
Hi,. There is currently an ongoing request for comments here - Talk:French_Revolution. The discussion will end on November 27th, 2020 and is seeking input from the involved editors. Best Wishes. 021120x (talk) 22:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I noticed your comment in the discussion. All involved editors have been invited to participate, and I was not certain if you were informed. I myself received a message on my talk page inviting input. 021120x (talk) 18:21, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Scots wiki
Hi, how do i flag pages for deletion on Scots wiki if they are mostly from the known problematic contributor and/or of suspect quality and low importance? Irtapil (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is an article from a previously banned user or contains no Scots content, use . If it is borderline notability, then you should use WP:VFD. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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December with Women in Red
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Barnstar

 * Thanks again on behalf of Croatian Wikipedia editors in particular! GregorB (talk) 19:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Nsk92 (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well deserved!Thhhommmasss (talk) 08:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad all your hard work paid off! —valereee (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

barnstar

 * This is too nice of you, haha. Thank you~! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 18
 News and updates associated with user scripts from the past three months (September, October, and November 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 18th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here
 * Cscr-featured.svg SD0001's W-Ping is this month's featured script


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Sportzpikachu's bookmarks adds a bookmarks section to the navigation toolbar
 * SD0001's deleted-metadata-link.js adds links to the deletedrevisions API output for deleted pages
 * SD0001's GAN-helper makes it easier to create a GAN nomination.
 * 1234qwer1234qwer4's XfDstarted scripts add links to today's XfD log pages to the personal toolbar
 * Awesome Aasim's rcpatrol is a tool that can be used to patrol recent changes, including reverting edits and warning users
 * A new JavaScript snippet, MediaWiki:AFC-add-project-tags.js, can be used to add WikiProject tags to drafts at WikiProject Articles for creation/Add WikiProject tags without actually needing to install a user script.
 * Nardog's PlayAudioNow makes audio links playable while staying on the page, regardless of the format
 * GeneralNotability's ip-ext-info.js adds extended info on IPs in a popup with their range, ASN, and ISP
 * TheTVExpert's submitRMTR adds a button to Special:MovePage to submit a technical request at Requested moves/Technical requests
 * TheTVExpert's rmCloser helps with closing and relisting requested moves.
 * Enterprisey's parsoid-round-trip uses Parsoid to convert wikitext to HTML and back, and then shows the result and the difference between the original wikitext and the post-conversion wikitext.
 * Frietjes's infoboxgap assists in renumbering infobox labels/data/classes, so that a new line can be inserted in the middle of the infobox.

Pending requests
 * A request for a script to help with maintaining the lists of vital articles
 * A request for a script to make it easier to archive specific list entries, rather than whole discussion sections
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests




 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle has made a number of improvements, including using a change tag to identify actions made with it and automatically filing edit requests for protected XfD nominations.
 * SD0001's shortdescs-in-category is now compatible with scripts modifying category listings, such as Equazcion's CatListMainTalkLinks
 * GhostInTheMachine's TalkHelper2 is a newer version of their prior script, TalkHelper
 * GeneralNotability's spihelper updated to 2.2.10, fixing a number of small bugs, automatically tagging globally locked socks as such in the sockpuppet template, and restoring open cases following an SPI history merge.
 * Enterprisey's script-installer gadget has been updated with more internationalization of messages, as well as addition of a user preference,  to allow controlling where new scripts are to be installed.

Open tasks
 * Enterprisey is looking for beta testers for their new section-watchlist user script. See the announcement.

Miscellaneous
 * The second edition of the m:Coolest Tool Award will be taking place in December.
 * Enterprisey's links-in-logs script has now been implemented as part of MediaWiki core, see 640761 and T207562.

My apologies for the delayed issue. As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, --DannyS712 (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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Human rights in Kazakstan
Hi there, Just wondering why Human rights in Kazakstan is tagged as a UPE violation?

Thanks, SixulaTalk 23:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

there was, in the most likely scenerio, WP:UPE edits made by users paid by the Kazakh government and/or PR firms associated with the same. – MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 23:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ah ok, thanks. Thanks, SixulaTalk 00:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Responding to your message.
Just wanted to clear things up - I'm not engaging in disruptive editing; I'm undoing actions of past users who have deleted much of the discussion on the talk page. The content should not be deleted for no reason. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbaker92 (talk • contribs) who is a confirmed sock puppet of Jzaooo (talk • contribs) 06:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I could seriously not think of a more disruptive act you could do on a talk page short of outright vandalism. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome to that opinion, but that's all it is - your personal opinion. Making sure valuable discussion is not unnecessarily deleted is as far from "disruptive editing" as you can get. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbaker92 (talk • contribs) who is a confirmed sock puppet of Jzaooo (talk • contribs) 07:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Scott O'Grady & IHA
Hello. As the "parent" for IHA, I think it is best if I bring up one of their recent edits to your attention. This splendid edit, located at Scott O'Grady, may have some WP:BLP; WP:POV; WP:UNDUE; WP:NOTNEWS; WP:INDISCRIMINATE; WP:LABEL and MOS:PROSE concerns. Normally, I would attempt to fix such an edit directly on the article page or TP, but I'm really not in the mood to have my motives questioned again, or engage with a battleground editor. Good luck! Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * will review when my wifi comes back. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have adjusted the edit. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * . If I see other less than ideal edits, would you like me to bring them to you, or would that be too much of a bother? --Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would prefer it here rather than seeing you two tear into one another on the article talk page, haha. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't mind a good fight. But I'm planning on having a successful RfA in a few years, so I want a good reputation around here. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My condolences in advance to you then, lol. RfAs are the most brutal hazing process this site is known to offer. If you want to increase your odds of getting through it, then you are going to want to find a different topic area (seriously). AMPOL is well known to be a cesspool of POV pushers and LTAs. Very rough stuff. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm...I could always join WP:GLACIERS, and write about glaciers for the next couple of years. But, who knows? There could be some intense POV pushers their as well! 718smiley.svg Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You jest, but the pages with the most vile debates are never the ones you expect (speaking from experience). &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Advise on Abigail Shrier
Hi. When you're not too busy, I was wondering if I could ask for your advise on Abigail Shrier. Apparently she's some sort of author/columnist who recently wrote a controversial book on transgenderism. Anyway, some user had been edit-warring in attempt to insert negative material or to 'debunk' the book in some way. By my count, 13 reverts within 24 hours:. Every single one of their edits relied wholly on non-RSs or clear OR:, , , , (plus many more). Other uses, and myself, attempted the remove the BLP violations, but they wouldn't stop edit-warring. I eventually posted my concerns to the BLP Noticeboard. Shortly after that, an admin had enacted full page protection:. I tried to explain to the editor on the TP that their actions violated multiple BLP policies, but they don't believe that they did anything wrong:. The admin who enacted the protection was previously watching the page, but never made any attempt to revert the user's edits, or even issue a warning to the user. In fact, they reverted edits that were removed because they contained unreliable sources or OR; such as --which clearly uses a SPS as a citation. I reached out to the admin and they said they are unable to take any actions against the editor, and they informed me that reporting the editor to WP:AN3 would be futile. I really don't know what to do. This is not a content dispute, and this editor has no business editing Abigail Shrier in any way. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * have you wrote this user on their talk page? They seem to need some guidance regarding WP:RS since we don't accept YouTube as it's WP:USERGEN.


 * Conduct disputes are best brought first directly to the editor in question. They should be given the chance to change after having been given a polite explanation of what was done wrong. If they refuse to WP:LISTEN, then it can be taken to the wider community for review (however always be aware your own conduct will be examined).


 * If I wasn't on mobile, I could tell you more helpful advice (for example, I saw a buzzfeed source in that WP:REFBOMB but don't know if it actually brings up the article's subject). That's just the situation we're in.


 * Also, whatever you do, be nice and respectful. Oftentimes, new editors aren't even aware they are doing anything wrong. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 23:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "Nice" is my middle name . What's considered a "new editor"? They have been editing since 2018, and by the looks of it, they have created 46 pages. After they ignored my comments in the edit summaries, I issued them a warning template for edit-warring and for inserting non-RSs. Are warning templates nice? Perhaps not... But it seemed like a standard case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT to me. However, I, and another editor, have been trying to camly explain to the user why their edits are no bueno on the article's TP. No luck so far... And no, the Buzzfeed source, nor do any of the other sources actually bring up the book or the subject. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 23:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I guess try to bring it to their user talk page then if they aren't responding on the article talk (assuming they have been active since your posts there). WP:Communication is required, after all. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 23:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... well WP:DTTR applies here then, and yeah they probably aren't new if that's the case.

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
Hello ,



It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
 * Year in review

has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.
 * Reviewer of the Year

As a special recognition and thank you has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
 * NPP Technical Achievement Award

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IHA
I am not going to tolerate this aggressive, uncivil behavior for much longer. I gave them the opportunity to apologize, they refused. Enough is enough. One more statement like this and I am requesting an interaction ban. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 05:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * sighs... I'll talk to them off-wiki about it. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 06:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I appreciate it. --Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:37, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Target of snark
Since I think my comments might give the wrong impression, I wanted to be clear that I have no hostility / negative feelings / etc. towards you (as a result of that discussion or anything else). I am glad that you have agreed to mentor IHA, since I think they have potential to be a long-term positive contributor -- I hope it ends successfully. --JBL (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * @: I mean.. I similarly have a generally positive impression of you. However, I must say I was rather... surprised by this response. It was a little.. uncivil? &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 08:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I do not believe I have ever been accused of being excessively civil when a disagreement becomes personalized (to be clear, not something I'm proud of, just a fact of life).  Luckily, this was an easy enough discussion to disengage from.  Anyhow, to reiterate, no sniping at you was intended; hopefully our next interaction will not find me needing to excuse myself from strafing innocent bystanders :/. --JBL (talk) 14:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol, yeah hopefully. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Flyer22 and WanderingWanda arbitration case opened
The Arbitration Committee has accepted and opened the Flyer22 and WanderingWanda case at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 30, which is when the evidence phase is scheduled to close. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Workshop, which closes January 13, 2020. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. To opt out of future mailings please see Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Notification list. For the Arbitration Committee, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#606060; background-color:#f8f8f8; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);" class="plainlinks"> News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (December 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 19th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here
 * Cscr-featured.svg Enterprisey's script-installer, a gadget that makes it easier to install scripts, is this month's featured script


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Enterprisey's copy-section-link adds popups to section headers which has an appropriate wikilink and external link to the section.
 * DannyS712's FindBlacklistEntry can be used to figure out which line(s) in either the local or global spamblacklist prevent a particular url from being added.
 * Nardog's CodeEditorAssist allows customizing the code editor, including changing the color theme and enabling live autocompletion.
 * Cobaltcigs's IllWill allows searches wikidata.org for foreign-language sitelinks, to populate ill and replace plain red links.


 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle has made a number of improvements, most notably full support for expiring watchlist items.
 * Evad37's Signpost Publishing Script is now at version 2.4.2, with changes including a fix for calculating the size of pages with files.
 * Evad37's MoveToDraft is now at version 2.5.1, with changes including:
 * checks for move conflicts and better options if move fails
 * the addition of Drafts moved from mainspace after moves
 * updating the default move log and notification texts to be more in line with WP:DRAFTIFY
 * Enterprisey's cv-revdel now handles failures more cleanly, including reporting failures caused by the spam blacklist.
 * Bradv's Notepad.js script has been updated with new styles and a new launch button.
 * A beta version of XFDcloser is available for testing, and brings a new user interface for dialogs and some preferences for customization.



Open tasks
 * Voting in the m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021 is ongoing until December 21, 2020. There are 15 proposals in the "bots and gadgets" category that may be of interest.

Pending requests
 * A script to help list discussions at WP:ANRFC (request)
 * A script to allow undoing edits despite conflicting intermediary edits (request)
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests

Miscellaneous
 * The Watchlist Expiry feature worked on by the Community Tech team has been enabled on Wikipedia. For scripts that include watching or unwatching pages, developers may want to update their code to take advantage of the new functionality. See the documentation on mediawiki.org.
 * As noted in the prior issue, Enterprisey's links-in-logs script has now been implemented as part of MediaWiki core. By my count, this is his third script that was replaced by implementing the code in MediaWiki core or an extension, along with link-section-edits and abusefilter-hide-search. Additionally, his reply-link script is being converted in part to mw:Extension:DiscussionTools. Are there any other scripts that might be worth integrating directly in MediaWiki? Thoughts would be welcome at Wikipedia talk:Scripts++.

As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, and happy holidays! --DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, MJL! Here is the December 2020 issue of TheWikiWizard. Pilot Project, trying a smaller and different style newsletter
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25 December 2020
In lieu of sending out a Christmas card to all the good Wikipedians this year, I am just going to say Merry Christmas here to all my talk page stalkers!! –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐🤶 20:08, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration case evidence
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22_and_WanderingWanda/Evidence&type=revision&diff=996463594&oldid=996338261 these edits]: I'm not sure why you're abbreviating the editor's user name, particularly in the section title and the pro forma links to the user page, talk page, and contributions? I feel it's a bit confusing, and possibly a bit inconsiderate to use an abbreviated form.

Regarding the statements, I'm not sure how they relates to the goal of determining what findings (if any) should be reached. Without any further connection provided, they seem like non sequiturs. isaacl (talk) 01:41, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's still a work in progress. I plan on presenting a bit more with my remaining space. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought that when starting to read your section, but then you ended with "That's all I got". Perhaps it would be better for you to draft your evidence elsewhere and transfer it when it is closer to complete? isaacl (talk) 17:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * [Forgot you aren't the type to like constant pings] I probably should've said "That's all I got for now." It was meant to be a close for the background portion. When I have the time, I will probably just fix it all up in one go. I prefer doing this stuff in one-to-two editing sessions. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:01, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, but I feel it work better if you did those editing sessions in a local file or on a page in your own user space. If each edit doesn't work well as a standalone submission, then it imposes less cognitive load on those following the evidence if you avoid breaking up the related info into separate sessions. Regarding the user's name, as someone who has in the past raised concerns about how you were referred to, I hope you can appreciate that it can be a sensitive matter to use alternate labels, especially in places where it's conventional to use the full user name. isaacl (talk) 22:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Isaacl, this all seems like badgering someone who may be busy and is probably doing the best they can to keep all their plates spinning. Drop the stick. —valereee (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We've been having a cordial discussion; the editor made a change, and I thanked the editor for it already. I only made these suggestions to help give MJL's evidence every chance of being seen in the best light. isaacl (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's fine, haha. I think isaacl is pretty chill. { &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * K, sorry both. I'm probably oversensitive right now. :) —valereee (talk) 03:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, it makes sense without the context of us both interacting with each other before. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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–<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * It works weird on mobile. Huh. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey
I said so with evidence. On IHateAccount's own talk page they received a warning for linking to someone's twitter that they were arguing with "doxing" Sorry, but when said person goes through my edit history and reverts said edits and contributes nothing to the page that is spiteful stalking. Sorry for the yawn, but I find their petty actions of not actually debating to be pointless and not respectful. Finally regarding the comment I found it sad that said person complained of abusive comments when they are the one who was doing "abusive actions". If you are speaking on said person's behalf then inform them to knock it off and learn to debate with people they disagree with. 3Kingdoms (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * @: Take a look at this but pretend it's for you. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would like to say that I am sorry for the claim of doxing on IHA, it was an uncharitable reading of what was an honest mistake on their part and me assuming the worst, I removed said accusations from where I posted it since it should not be kept up. This was in part due to my annoyance at what I found to be the Harassment by IHA on me and uncharitable reading of my own opinions, however two wrongs don't make a right. Since you have been contact with IHA, if it were possibly could you rely this to them, since I feel as another editor said, there should be a cooling off between the two of us. Thank-you. 3Kingdoms (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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I wish you a prosperous 2021! Starzoner (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)