User talk:MMABot

Handling of renamed wiki-links for event articles
Why is the bot, in edits like this, adding underscores into the names of events? EdChem (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you look closely the bot is not adding underscores. Rather it is removing a renamed event as per WP:MMA guidelines: "use UFC 60 instead of UFC 60: Hughes vs. Gracie, use Dream 11 instead of DREAM.11 Featherweight Grand Prix 2009 Final."  --TreyGeek (talk) 15:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your response, but I suggest that the effect of the bot edit is to take a link that does not have underscores and replace it with one that does, which is hardly an improvement. I bet the MMA guidelines don't say to include underscores in event names.  Further, if you look closely, you'll find that the changes were not altering the event name but were actually highlighting directions to the appropriate sections of a wikipage.  The notion that an event name in a table is somehow better for having a hash mark (#) to show the wikipage section as if it were part of the event name, plus the inclusion of underscores, is questionable at best.  I suggest that bot edits such as this, whilst no doubt well-intentioned, do not represent improvements to the encyclopedia.  EdChem (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have something constructive to offer? The bot is programmed to remove renamed event links by removing any text after the pipe in a wiki-link.  You are the first person to complain about this behavior.  What would you like to see the bot (or me) do in these rare cases where the event's article title is poorly constructed in the MMA record table.  If you can provide a specific example of the original text and the final text, that would be much appreciated.  --TreyGeek (talk) 02:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear you find my posts unconstructive, I thought pointing out a case where the bot is making a link arguably worse would be a useful contribution. I didn't suggest how to change the bot as I know little about programming, but if you want some suggestions, I'll try.  Firstly, in a case like M-1 Challenge XXIII: Grishin vs. Guram, changing it to 2011 M-1 Challenge Season, as the bot did, does not follow the guidelines you describe.  Changing to M-1 Challenge XXIII would be more appropriate.  Secondly, if the bot must remove anything after the pipe link, it should also remove any underscores in the page link, for purely aesthetic reasons.  Thirdly, if the link contains a # to direct to a section of a page, don't remove everything after the pipe because the actual redirect target should not be used as the name.  My concern is simply that the original link M-1 Challenge XXIII: Grishin vs. Guram, or the alternative M-1 Challenge XXIII are both superior to the link 2011 M-1 Challenge Season which the bot left.  I hope you find this comment clear and constructive as I really am trying to be helpful.  EdChem (talk) 12:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying. The difficulty as I see it is fixing the renamed event links as per the WP:MMA guidelines and catching or dealing with the rare cases of the M-1 Challenge Seasons (of which they exist for 2009-2011).  I'm not sure there are any other set of events with the same situation.  I cannot do the renaming you propose ("M-1 Challenge XXIII"), it would be impossible to know in advance what the renamed link should be and to get it right everytime.  So, I think the options are:
 * Remove the renamed portion of the link and if any underscores exist in the article link, convert them to spaces. (Thus the link would be 2011 M-1 Challenge Season.)
 * Remove the renamed portion of the link and try to detect if a hashmark (#) exists in the article link. If there is one, remove everything after the hashmark.  (The link would be 2011 M-1 Challenge Season.)
 * Try to detect if there is a hashmark (#) exists in the article link. If it does, skip it.  (Thus leaving the link as M-1 Challenge XXIII: Grishin vs. Guram ( M-1 Challenge XXIII: Grishin vs. Guram ).)
 * Is there an option you'd prefer to see happen? --TreyGeek (talk) 04:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Since there was never a final answer on how MMABot should handle this situation I've left this discussion on the talk page. Input is welcome from anyone. --TreyGeek (talk) 22:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Option 1 would be my preference. It eliminates the renamed link to comply with the MMA Wikiproject's guidelines and allows the user to see which omnibus article the event is in.  --TreyGeek (talk) 18:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Event Articles that MMABot cannot standardize
The following is a list of event articles that MMABot has skipped for a variety of reasons. If you edit one of these articles to standardize the results using templates, please remove it from the list. Thank you.
 * Jewels 1st Ring
 * Jewels 4th Ring
 * Jewels 6th Ring
 * Jewels 13th Ring & 14th Ring
 * Jewels 16th Ring
 * Jewels 17th Ring
 * EliteXC: Heat
 * EliteXC: Unfinished Business
 * EliteXC: Destiny
 * EliteXC: Street Certified
 * K-1 PREMIUM 2004 Dynamite!!
 * K-1 PREMIUM 2007 Dynamite!!
 * Dynamite!! 2010
 * The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter 4 Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter 5 Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter: Team Nogueira vs. Team Mir Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter: Team Liddell vs. Team Ortiz Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter: United States vs. United Kingdom
 * The Ultimate Fighter: Team GSP vs. Team Koscheck Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter: Team Hughes vs. Team Serra Finale
 * The Ultimate Fighter: Live
 * UFC Ultimate Fight Night 2
 * UFC Ultimate Fight Night 4
 * UFC Ultimate Fight Night 3
 * UFC Ultimate Fight Night 5
 * UFC Japan: Ultimate Japan
 * UFC Fight Night: Evans vs Salmon
 * UFC Fight Night: Guillard vs. Miller
 * UFC Fight Night: Marquardt vs. Palhares
 * UFC Fight Night: Swick vs Burkman
 * UFC Fight Night: Maynard vs. Diaz
 * UFC Fight Night 6
 * UFC Fight Night 6.5
 * UFC on FX: Alves vs. Kampmann
 * UFC on Fox: Johnson vs. Dodson
 * UFC 10
 * UFC 11
 * UFC 12
 * UFC 13
 * UFC 14
 * UFC 15
 * UFC 16
 * UFC 17
 * UFC 18
 * UFC 19
 * UFC 20
 * UFC 21
 * UFC 22
 * UFC 23
 * UFC 24
 * UFC 25
 * UFC 26
 * UFC 28
 * UFC 29
 * UFC 30
 * UFC 31
 * UFC 32
 * UFC 33
 * UFC 34
 * UFC 35
 * UFC 37
 * UFC 38
 * UFC 39
 * UFC 50
 * UFC 51
 * UFC 52
 * UFC 53
 * UFC 54
 * UFC 55
 * UFC 56
 * UFC 57
 * UFC 58
 * UFC 59
 * UFC 60
 * UFC 61
 * UFC 62
 * UFC 63
 * UFC 64
 * UFC 65
 * UFC 66
 * UFC 67
 * UFC 71
 * UFC 73
 * UFC 74
 * UFC 75
 * UFC 76
 * UFC 77
 * UFC 78
 * UFC 100
 * UFC 106
 * Dream 10
 * Dream 11
 * Dream 13
 * Dream 15
 * Dream 18
 * Dynamite!! 2008
 * Dynamite!! 2009
 * Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Gracie
 * Strikeforce: Houston
 * Strikeforce: Evolution
 * Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives
 * Strikeforce: Tate vs. Rousey
 * WEC 1
 * WEC 2
 * WEC 3
 * WEC 5
 * WEC 7
 * WEC 8
 * WEC 9
 * WEC 10
 * WEC 11
 * WEC 12
 * WEC 13
 * WEC 14
 * WEC 15
 * WEC 16
 * WEC 17
 * WEC 19
 * WEC 20
 * WEC 22
 * WEC 21
 * WEC 23
 * WEC 24
 * WEC 33
 * WEC 34
 * WEC 35
 * WEC 36
 * WEC 38
 * WEC 39
 * WEC 40
 * WEC 42
 * WEC 47
 * WEC 48
 * WEC 49
 * WEC 51
 * WEC 52
 * 2008 International Fight League
 * World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 5
 * World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 6
 * World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 7
 * World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 8
 * World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 9
 * Ultimate Ultimate 1995
 * Ultimate Ultimate 1996
 * Tachi Palace Fights 9
 * Pride 7
 * Pride 8
 * Pride 9
 * Pride 19
 * Pride 20
 * Pride 21
 * Pride 22
 * Pride 23
 * Pride 24
 * Pride 25
 * Pride 26
 * Pride 27
 * Pride 28
 * Pride 29
 * Pride 31
 * Pride 33
 * Pride Shockwave 2003
 * Pride Shockwave 2004
 * Pride Shockwave 2005