User talk:MMacleodTeamJunkfish

Welcome!
Hello, MMacleodTeamJunkfish, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

In addition, if you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for any contribution you make, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation to comply with our terms of use and our policy on paid editing.

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
 * The plain and simple conflict of interest guide
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * Tutorial
 * How to edit a page and How to develop articles
 * How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
 * Simplified Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! shoy (reactions) 12:58, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

MMacleodTeamJunkfish (talk) 13:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

shoy Hi, thanks for the message. I am a company employee attempting to create a page for the games studio I work for and then separate pages for the three main titles we have shipped. We have partner companies with similar pages already on Wikipedia so this should not be anything unusual. I am not intending to overly promote the company but more just give us a factual presence on Wikipedia as some of our games are years old and should have been added years ago. I'd be happy to have someone like yourself to proof read it when its done and properly referenced. I did have a question regarding saving drafts as it will likely take several days to correctly source the article. It's not apparent at all how draft saving is done and I've resorted to copy pasting everything onto an external notepad for the time being. Any advice you could give with this would be greatly appreciated.
 * First, you need to review and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy(the latter is a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement). Regarding saving a draft, you save it by clicking the "publish changes button", just as you did when you saved your post above.  In this context, "publish changes" is equivalent to "save changes" and clicking it does not "publish" your draft to the main encyclopedia.  It only saves it to the servers.  The button was originally called "save changes" but it had to be changed for legal reasons.
 * Also note that doing what you are doing is highly discouraged, though not forbidden. Creating and submitting the draft using Articles for Creation is the correct thing to do, but it does not guarantee success.  To be successful, you essentially need to forget everything you know about your company and only write based on the content of independent reliable sources that indicate how your company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company, written at WP:ORG. Most people cannot do this, though it is technically possible. If your company does not have significant coverage in independent sources(this does not include press releases, staff interviews, basic announcements, or other primary sources), it would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

May 2019
Hello MMacleodTeamJunkfish. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:MMacleodTeamJunkfish. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message.  Please bear in mind that as an encyclopedia, we have no interest in being part of your company's SEO efforts or being its webhost.  Dloh Cier   ekim  14:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the feedback. I'm attempting to add an entry for the company I work for to Wikipedia, when it was formed, where it is located and what it does in a factual nature in accordance with the nature of an encyclopaedia. We respect Wikipedia and are not trying to milk it for commercial gain any manner. The majority of other games studios have entries here on Wikipedia and some reference projects we have worked on together. While I am a paid employee being such gives me access to accurate information and I am more than happy to fully reference all information, disclose being an employee on my profile and for the article about Team Junkfish to be robustly reviewed and edited by the community. I expect it to take several days to gather all the proper references and am simply looking for the correct procedure to save a "Draft" in progress so it can be properly reviewed when it is ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMacleodTeamJunkfish (talk • contribs)
 * I'm afraid that you have a misconception about Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what any article subject, be it company or person, wants to say about itself.  What you describe as your purpose here is the definition of promotion on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia is not for merely telling about a company, even if "factual" and you are not actively selling something.  Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about your company, as I described above. The fact that you have certain information about your company misses the point of this encyclopedia, as we are only interested in what others state. As I stated, if you do not have such sources, your company would not merit an article here at this time.  If it did merit one, ideally you should not be the one to write about it.  You may attempt to submit a draft, but if it does not do what I describe here, it will not be accepted.
 * Other game studios meriting articles does not automatically mean yours merits one too; it is based on coverage in independent sources, as I said. See other stuff exists.  Each article is judged on its own merits. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. For example, just because Ford Motor Company merits an article, it does not mean that 331dot Auto Company merits an article.
 * If all you are interested in doing is telling the world about your company, you should do so on social media, your own website, or some other alternative forum, not on Wikipedia. I'm sorry that this is likely disappointing to hear, but I must be honest with you. 331dot (talk) 15:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I described how you save your work above; you can then use Articles for Creation to submit it- but again, based on the comments here, I don't think it will be accepted. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, appreciate the advice with this. I understand completely that some companies merit articles on Wikipedia and some don't. Personally I think Team Junkfish would warrant an article but obviously this is my stance as an employee. If you have the time from a neutral standpoint could you let me know if you think this company should have an article: - One of only three games companies in Scotland producing 3D games for PC and Console the others being Ruffian Games and Rockstar North - The studios first game titled Monstrum was a critical and commercial success selling over 500,000 copies worldwide - Monstrum was also nominated for a Bafta award - Our second project Attack of the Earthlings was a commercial success and is listed on our partner Wales Interactive list of projects. Their studio is the same size as our own. - Our upcoming project Monstrum 2 is planned for PC and Consoles and is one of only 7 games in the world to attempt to create an Asymmetric Multiplayer game. Some of the others being Evolve (video game), Dead by Daylight, Friday the 13th: The Game Last Year: The Nightmare - Current work is being reported by major international media outlets such as PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/monstrum-2-is-a-4v1-game-of-hide-and-seek-at-sea/

I hope this helps convince that the studio and its works have enough cultural relevance to warrant entries on Wikipedia. I am more than capable of objectively writing a Wikipedia article however I completely understand the hesitation of having companies write their own entries. We have a large fan base and I hope there would be no objection to one of them adding this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMacleodTeamJunkfish (talk • contribs)
 * It sounds like the company could merit an article, but it really depends on coverage in independent sources. It might be okay for someone who is just a fan to write one, but not if you ask fans to come here and write one. They have to do it on their own; if you asked fans to do that, it would still be a conflict of interest that they would need to disclose.  The only other thing you could really do is go to Requested Articles where you can request other Wikipedia editors write an article, though the backlog there is large and nothing will guarantee someone will do it, as this is a volunteer project. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either: This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
 * 1) Add four tildes  ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment, or
 * 2) With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button OOUI JS signature icon LTR.png located above the edit window.

Thank you. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2019 (UTC)