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Regarding Articles for deletion/Jeff Hettwer
I'll admit that it's hard for me to watch the discussion without being able to comment so I'll just give my thoughts here.

Regarding "memorial show doesn't impress me where were the shows before he died?"
 * I'll reiterate my thoughts as seen below.
 * In 2008 there were 37,313 alcohol related fatalities in the U.S.
 * The news coverage regarding Jeff Hettwer has continued now for over a year and is only gaining momentum as coverage focuses on Hettwer's talent as an artist. I have yet to see another drinking and driving related crash covered as this one has been, with such an emphasis on the victim's occupation. That is, unless of course the person and/or occupation was in fact something of note. I'm not saying that Hettwer is Van Gogh --- yet, but the fact that Van Gogh died at age 37 and had only sold one painting while Hettwer, at age 30, had sold between 40 and 60 original works of art is food for thought. The death of an artist creates scarcity of their work as there is now a finite number of pieces of the artists original work available in the world. When the artist is living it is thought that there will always be another opportunity for an original piece. Artist's are rarely given the full recognition that they deserve until they are gone. MNartist (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The "Jeff Hettwer Memorial Scholarship Fund" will be live at the University of Minnesota on Thursday, July 2, 2009.
 * Scholarship now live at www.giving.umn.edu/hettwer MNartist (talk) 12:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The NBC piece dedicated to Hettwer's talent as an artist has been filmed and will air late this week or early next week depending on editing. MNartist (talk) 21:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I keep Jeff Hettwer from being deleted? MNartist (talk) 23:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As mentioned by on Talk:Jeff Hettwer, you should review WP:ARTIST. I've added some tags to the page that I think point out potential improvements. Basically, you'll need to show (not just claim) that he was a notable person to prevent deletion under WP:CSD. &mdash;C45207 | Talk 23:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have read the criteria and added links to several independent publications and television news mentions of Jeff Hettwer's notability as an Artist. Who ultimately decides whether or not to delete a page? Who is responsible for deleting the "Speedy deletion" tag if the page is found to be acceptable? MNartist (talk) 23:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, the notibility decision is made by the community. However, administrators have the power to delete pages. Any other editor can remove the speedy deletion tag, but often the editor who added it in the first place will remove it. You may want to ask for his/her thoughts.&mdash;C45207 | Talk 00:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jeff Hettwer
A tag has been placed on Jeff Hettwer requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Jeff Hettwer
I have nominated Jeff Hettwer, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Jeff Hettwer. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion only.
You might want to read wp:rs, in my opinion he isn't really notable. Others may disagree though. Sorry for the length of time in my response. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.


 * In addressing the block itself: would you be willing to agree to not post further comments in the deletion debate? You've had your chance to make your case and the community needs to have its chance to consider it without being pushed.  If so I'd be willing to unblock you now, otherwise I would prefer to wait until the debate is closed.  Mango juice talk 17:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for considering it Mangojuice! I will keep my edits to the content of the Jeff Hettwer page and this talk page while you discuss the deletion of the article. Thank you! MNartist (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, done. Be aware though that if that page gets deleted, it would not be appropriate for you to just recreate it.  Mango juice talk 18:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * For some reason still can't make edits. It says something about an autoblock. Any suggestions? MNartist (talk) 21:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Oops, didn't check the time stamp. MNartist (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. One of the things that was mentioned on the AfD page was that I should have waited until some of the additional news coverage about Jeff Hettwer as an artist comes out and/or the Walker had made their decision about accepting the work before creating the page. If the page is deleted and these events do occure what is the process for reviewing whether or not the article is then appropriate for Wikipedia? Many of these reliable sources will be available in the next two weeks. MNartist (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Believe it or not, we don't want to delete pages- we like to find reasons to improve them instead of deleting them! Sometimes, new users who are trying to avoid deletion fill the deletion discussion with comments that aren't necessarily helpful, because they aren't as familiar with the policies we're discussing, and end up making it harder to find the reasons to keep articles. Would you be willing to postpone your unblock until the deletion discussion is completed? If the article is kept, you could go back to improving it, and if you become aware of any additional reliable sources, you could post them here- Hell in a Bucket and I both have this talk page on our watchlists, so one or the other of us will see and be able to relay any new information. These discussions typically last between 3 and 5 days, depending on how clear the evidence is. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration. My next question was going to be whether or not the artist's work being accepted into the permanent collection at the Walker would satisfy the question of notability. MNartist (talk) 22:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

As long as we can show it follows wp:rs we'd like it included. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, myself- I don't know enough about this subject to say. There's a difference between accepting a donation of art that'll be packaged away in storage somewhere, and accepting a donation of art that'll be the focus of a significant exhibition, though, am I right?  I'm not entirely clear on which we're talking about, and either case, it hasn't happened-- yet.  People's legacy isn't always immediately clear, but if he is going to be of lasting significance, that'll be more obvious over the course of time, as people write about his significance as an artist in more and more places. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of changing the length of your block from indefinite to one week, based on this conversation. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I noticed that some of the links on the Jeff Hettwer page are broken. I would be happy to fix the links after the block is lifted. Will this be held against the page in the deletion discussion? Many of the links are available by googling Jeff Hettwer. Also I understand that the content of the Jeff Hettwer memorial site is not considered a reliable source but is the counter on the site which shows that there have been 30,919 visits to the site considered to be a reliable source? If so the site is JeffHettwer.com Thanks again! MNartist (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, hit counts- even large ones- aren't inherently indicators of notability- unless someone has written about them. For an artist, what's needed is writing about their art- many people who die suddenly get news coverage related to their deaths, but that doesn't meet WP:BIO. I, myself, recently lost someone to violence.  I'd love to memorialize her, and her death spawned a lot of news coverage, but she herself didn't achieve anything of note- if she hadn't been murdered, she wouldn't be in the newspaper at all.  You want to look for stuff that shows that, even if he hadn't died, he'd still be important. And, yes- you'll be able to fix the broken links if the article gets kept, and they won't be held against it, unless they're the one best source you have. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry for your loss.

In 2008 there were 37,313 alcohol related fatalities in the U.S. The news coverage regarding Jeff Hettwer has continued now for over a year and is only gaining momentum as coverage focuses on Hettwer's talent as an artist. I have yet to see another drinking and driving related crash covered as this one has been, with such an emphasis on the victim's occupation. That is, unless of course the person and/or occupation was in fact something of note. I'm not saying that Hettwer is Van Gogh --- yet, but the fact that Van Gogh died at age 37 and had only sold one painting while Hettwer, at age 30, had sold between 40 and 60 original works of art is food for thought. The death of an artist creates scarcity of their work as there is now a finite number of pieces of the artists original work available in the world. When the artist is living it is thought that there will always be another opportunity for an original piece. Artist's are rarely given the full recognition that they deserve until they are gone.


 * Published references to Jeff Hettwer: (Many of these are corrected links from the Jeff Hettwer page)
 * April 27, 2009
 * CBS Art Attack Nov 8, 2008
 * Secrets of the City Nov 7, 2008
 * CBS Walker Art Center July 9, 2008
 * Secrets of the City July 8, 2008
 * NEMAA July 1, 2008
 * CBS Walker Art Center June 30, 2008
 * CBS Jeff Hettwer's Art June 30, 2008
 * CBS Memorial Art Show June 30, 2008
 * ABC Newspaper June 27, 2008
 * Star Tribune Obituary June 18, 2008
 * Star Tribune Decorated Artist June 17, 2008
 * Star Tribune Jeff Hettwer June 15, 2008
 * CBS Man Charged June 17, 2008
 * CBS Charges Expected June 16, 2008
 * CBS Comments from manager of studio building June 16, 2008
 * NBC June 2008
 * MSP Magazine March 2008
 * Financial Contributor to the Walker Art Center 2004-2005
 * Facebook page

I will upload more as they become available. Thanks!

FisherQueen Thank you for mentioning my talk page on the Afd. Would you mind adding a link to it or is it easy for people to find their way here. I didn't see anything that mentioned that I am the creator of the site, but then again, I'm new here...it might be obvious. MNartist (talk) 16:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI
I copied your article to your user page jus tin case it gets deleted, I see you have been making good faith efforts to improve within wiki policies and laud your effort. Again for any questions please hit me up.(Hell in a Bucket) There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 13:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you know how I can copy the corrected links that I posted above to make changes to it on my user page?MNartist (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a button on the edit bar that says ref/cite fill out the individual sources where yuo are using them to write info. It should be self-explantory after that, however if not please drop another line here and I will be on the lookout. There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 14:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm having trouble...is this the only page that I can edit when I'm blocked? It appears as though I do not have access to edit my user page. MNartist (talk) 16:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!!


 * to answer your question most times, yes this is the only page you can edit when blocked. If you go for the gusto like I did when I first started, you can't even edit your own talk page and it sucks. You seem to have choosen teh smarter path good for you. There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 17:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

More Information
70 new members to the Facebook page "I want Jeff Hettwer's paintings at the Walker Art Center!" in the last 2 days. Total now approaching 600. MNartist (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the comment on the Afd that the artist is only locally known see the member list on the Facebook page. There are members from across the U.S. and abroad. MNartist (talk) 16:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 50+ additional members to the Facebook group for people who would like to see Hettwers work in the Walker. Total is now at 650.MNartist (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Hettwer's art will be the topic of a speech that is being given at Anoka-Ramsey Community College on Wednesday July 1, 2009. MNartist (talk) 16:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are using nearly 600 members of a Facebook group, distributed around the country, as a meter of notability, I think I ought to tell you that the friends of the person I mentioned earlier created a memorial Facebook group for her which has 3,767 members, around the country and overseas- but she still doesn't meet WP:BIO. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Facebook page was started about 4 weeks ago (approximately one year after his death) and it is specific to Jeff's work as an artist. The group's members are also from around the country and overseas, however, people are only asked to join if they feel that his work deserves to become a part of the permanent collection at the Walker. Jeff's memorial website is the JeffHettwer.com page that I mentioned with nearly 31,000 visits. I wonder, in your opinion, is there a number of members to the art related facebook page that would indicate that the person is someone of note? I welcome your thoughts. MNartist (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The current consensus at Wikipedia is that, no, there isn't a number of Facebook members that would, in itself, show notability. We've had the discussion in very different contexts (internet celebrities, YouTube figures), but the decision we reached- that there needed to be clear discussion of the person's importance in reliable sources- is relevant here. But, hey, I don't know enough about art to judge this one, so I'm leaving the discussion to wiser heads. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input! I got a message from Mangojuice a bit ago saying that my block had been lifted for agreeing not to post to the AfD but I still can't make edits to the Jeff Hettwer page because of an autoblock. Do you know how I go about fixing that? Thanks so much for all of your time. I really appreciate it!!

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Jeffery James Hettwer (b. April 24, 1978 - d. June 14, 2008) was a prolific contemporary American painter whose career ended at the age of 30 when he was killed by a drunk driver. Hettwer was widely known by his supporters for the diversity of his work. Hettwer's paintings were displayed at a memorial art show that was held in the artist's honor at the Walker Art Center in July of 2008 and are now being submitted for donation into the museum's permanent collection.

Life
The younger of two sons, Hettwer was born on April 24, 1978 in Coon Rapids, Minnesota to Jack and Jan Hettwer. His father was a coordinator from the Minneapolis Plumbers Union and his mother was a branch manager for a regional real estate firm. Hettwer graduated from Blaine High School in 1996. In October of 1996, at the age of 18, Hettwer and his high school sweetheart, Kelly Berg moved to Carmichael, California and then on to Mountain View, California in 1998. In 2001 the pair moved back to Minnesota where they married at Afton Apple Orchard, the site of their first date. Later that year Hettwer moved into an art studio in the Northrup King Building in Northeast, Minneapolis.

The next seven years would be the most prolific period of Hettwer's life. His paintings varied widely in style and in size. At the time of Hettwer's death there were over 130 original paintings found in his Minneapolis studio including a 6' x 10' piece entitled "Iraq" that was found on his easel unfinished, with the paint still wet.

Art
While Hettwer's work does include drawings, photos, and a small collection of pottery and ceramics, Hettwer would best be described by the Minneapolis CBS news affiliate as "an accomplished painter". Hettwer used Old Holland oil paints for their high pigment content and insisted on fully archival products to extend the life expectancy of his work.

Hettwer's paintings can be broken down into these five categories:

Figures

 * Most of Hettwer's figures were painted in the late 1990's when he lived in Northern California. These works are largely comprised of self-portraits, female busts, and nudes. A common thread in these early paintings is the bright use of color with most of the paint being mixed directly on the canvas rather than on the palate. As Hettwer studied the works of Georges Braque and Pablo Picasso you see their cubist influence on his 1997-1998 figures beginning with the 1997 piece, "Chicago Drummer".

Drips

 * In early 2000 Hettwer began to move into nonrepresentational art with a series of "Drip" paintings. This period of Hettwer's work was largely inspired by early abstract experssionist painter Jackson Pollock. In this collection of work Hettwer uses color to evoke a mood by creating multiple layers of color which are applied to the top of the canvas and allowed to drip down the piece.

Monoprints

 * 2002 began Hettwer's journey into Monoprinting. In this process paint was applied to plexiglass plates and then printed onto paper to create an original image. Hettwer then added to each piece with hand touched details applied by brush.

Abstract Perspective

 * The Abstract perspective series began in 2005 with Hettwer's love of architecture. While striving to bring structure to his paintings, Hettwer began working at the drafting table to create two point perspective drawings. In these drawings he would leave many of the lines that connected his shapes to their vanishing points. After hours at the drafting table Hettwer would apply his drawings to canvas to create images that remind many of his followers of stained glass.

Others

 * This category encompasses all other works by Hettwer which include landscapes, cityscapes, and other representational pieces, as well as a large collection of pure abstractions. The last three paintings that Hettwer finished before his death would fall into this category as he prepared to begin a series of paintings that would have been yet another vast departure from his previous works.

Legacy
Hettwer was involved in every aspect of his work from creating his own stretcher bars and stretching his own canvas to milling the frames for his paintings from raw lumber. Hettwer's work can be identified by the JH that he applied to the lower right hand corner of each piece. In some cases he would only sign the back of the canvas so as not to distract from the image. From 1995 to 2000 Hettwer inserted a small smiley face into each of his paintings, a sign of the artist's age and sense of humor.

Following Hettwer's death a memorial art show was held for him at the Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota. The event featured examples of each of Hettwer's varied styles.

Mentions of Note

 * CBS April 27, 2009
 * CBS Art Attack Nov 8, 2008
 * Secrets of the City Nov 7, 2008
 * CBS Walker Art Center July 9, 2008
 * Secrets of the City July 8, 2008
 * NEMAA July 1, 2008
 * CBS Walker Art Center June 30, 2008
 * CBS Jeff Hettwer's Art June 30, 2008
 * CBS Memorial Art Show June 30, 2008
 * ABC Newspaper June 27, 2008
 * Star Tribune Obituary June 18, 2008
 * Star Tribune Decorated Artist June 17, 2008
 * Star Tribune Jeff Hettwer June 15, 2008
 * CBS Man Charged June 17, 2008
 * CBS Charges Expected June 16, 2008
 * CBS Comments from manager of studio building June 16, 2008
 * NBC June 2008
 * MSP Magazine March 2008
 * Financial Contributor to the Walker Art Center 2004-2005
 * Facebook page

Re: Jeff Hettwer Article deleted
Well, if you feel you can satisfy WP:N and WP:V, feel free to re-create the article. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 04:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)