User talk:MONGO/Archive04

Classic Rock
The list has been updated! If there are any edits you can make to get rid of red links, feel free to make them. Thanks 00:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Westwax
Yes, looks like just another vandal account; I see you got it already; thanks for the notice! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 11:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Map of South Africa
By checking his edits, User:Papayoung seems to be on vacation. The best bet would be to put up a request at WikiProject Maps/Requested and orphan maps, and referece that it should be in the style of the U.S. locator map.

It may be slightly dangerous, but if they want a temporary location map, I have made one that is 286 pixels wide (like the U.S. map) from Image:Sf-map.png. It has margins similar to the U.S. map. They can later replace it with the better looking SVG file. The danger is that there may be slight differences in the geography of the images that would throw-off the locator dot. If they really want my temporary image, though, let me know and I can post it. &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 21:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Tedernst RFA
Thanks for the vote of confidence (and the vote)! Tedernst | Talk 22:25, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey Bud
Just wanted to come over here to ask you for a favor, A great editor is going up for bureaucratship, and the standards are higher for bureaucrats, so it's still up in the air with him. Also, I wanted to see if you were interested helping my user subproject. I'm looking to see if there really is a liberal bias on here, among other things. karmafist 06:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi MONGO, I would like to thank you for your kind support on my RfA. I'll do my best to be a good administrator. If you need anything, or if I ever do something wrong with my new powers, please contact me. Mushroom 17:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from me too
Hi MONGO,

Thanks for voting to support my RfA. I wasn't expecting an unopposed promotion (I thought I'd hit some die-hard edit-counters at least) and I'm touched by the trust shown in me. I'll try my best to continue to earn that trust. But first, I'll have to work on not sounding like a politician; that last sentence was awful. Oh well. Let me know when I screw something up with the shiny new buttons. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks!
I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Shreshth91's RfA
Hello MONGO, I just wanted to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It finally closed with a tally of 22/0/0. I hope I can live up to the expectations of the entire community. If you ever need anything, please just let me know. Cheers!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 00:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Alexander for Admin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007. I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte  talk  &amp;  contribs  14:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Mindmatrix scam adminship
I have recently been granted greater access to your systems, and can begin the process of salvaging the sensitive information from my politically unstable land, as I promised. Please accept this loonie as a token of faith that I will conduct myself as required to complete our transaction. Thank you for your support. Mindmatrix 20:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

September 11, 2001 attacks
I assume nothing. I want to draw out the arguments from them. I think it's going to get really strange: If we hear a someone confess to the crime of murder, is it POV to call him a murderer, or does POV require us to call him a felon? patsw 20:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi; Would this RfC be for content on September 11, 2001 attacks? Tom Harrison (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I think wider participation would be a good idea. I think there is a broad consensus that they were terrorists, and it is inappropriate to say otherwise. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't been RfC'd recently, or maybe I don't know were to look for a record of it. Anyway, let me know if I can help. Tom Harrison (talk) 02:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's nice of you to offer; it might be something I could consider after the holidays. What are the boring areas? Voting on AfD's? I could use some boring but useful work. Tom Harrison (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

On 29 November User:Durova mentioned he was "responding to request for comment".

RFA for TheParanoidOne
Hello MONGO. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my RFA. I have now officially received the badge, so I shall try my best to be a good administrator. Thanks again. --TheParanoidOne 21:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Cnwb's RfA
Mongo, Thanks so very much for supporting my Request for Admin. The final result was 38/0/0. I'm looking forward to spending my summer holidays shut away in a darkened room, drinking G&Ts and playing with my new tools ;-) Please accept this Tim Tam as a token of my gratitude. Cnwb 22:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Template disclaimers
I have deleted them alphabetically (for American Nat'l Parks) up to Isle Royale National Park. It does not matter to me if we have them or not -- I shall stop doing it until there is a concensus.

As for the idea to leave the one at the end... I did discover that you can enter a non-displaying comment -- without a "white space" problem! -- if it is on the same line as the end of the infobox code (see Ellis Island). &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 22:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Your comments on RFA Talk
MONGO, I supported Hamster Sandwich and do not think that he should be penalized for raising a question on another RFA that led, indirectly, to the unfortunate result that a good editor left the project. Even though I arrive at the same conclusion you do, I find your characterization of the entire discussion as "petty garbage" highly offensive. You are tarring a lot of editors with a single brush. -- DS1953 22:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

One dollar Federal Reserve Note
I notice the deletion debate here has fizzled somewhat, but I made some changes to the articles that may further illustrate the points I had been trying to make. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Paul 23:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

FRN AFD
It was on the AFD for the article One dollar Federal Reserve Note. Best, Paul 03:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

A hug for MONGO
thanks man! Hamster Sandwich 03:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

SA map
Does it have to be an svg image? Most of my maps are for the US regions map series and are pngs or jpegs (being phased out) I don't have a program that can make svgs. I'd be happy to make a png and uplaod it for you though. -JCarriker 06:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I am glad to hear JCarriker is working on that. Once there is some sort of "infrastructure" in place for SA parks then I would be most glad to join the project and work on that. I've been off the past 2 days as yesterday I was blocked (I share my IP with a vandal) and the day before I nevr had any time. But I am most keen to work in the protected areas side of things... Ban e  s  10:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Supurb! Hats off to you and JCarriker! I will get to work on it today, and tomorrow. Right now there is nothing I can think of that I need, that infobox is perfect. Cheers  Ban e  s  06:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm an admin now!!
Hi, thanks for voting on my rfa, the final tally was 50-0-0 and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. Your vote read - Support: no reason not to - and I hope not to give you any reason to change your stand in future.--Gurubrahma 11:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

BD2412's RFA
Although my RfA is not over yet, I figured that since so many people voted before it had been posted, I may as well start thanking people before it wraps up. It'll take me that long to thank everyone who voted anyway! Thank you, Mongo, for your support and your comments - I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality rise to the level of the dream. BD2412 T 17:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks
Hi , Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. It has done very well and is currently at 67/0/2. As such, I am posting this in advance of its closure. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know. Thank you once again! – NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 06:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

AFD
Please vote at this AFD. It was relisted due to a lack of votes. I would like to close this sometime. Thank you. Voice of  All T 17:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Mongo, thanks for your support on my RfA. The final count was 46/0/0. I hope I'll live up to your faith in me in my use of the mop and bucket. Please accept this wikithanks as a token of my gratitude ;) --bainer (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA :)
Dear MONGO, I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 01:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Awolf002 RfA
Thank you very much for your support for my RfA. I will do everything I can to justify your trust in me. Awolf002 03:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

The Quitting Thing
Yeah, I just assumed that I had lost face and would have to do things that would make me have to leave in order to make things work out and blah, blah, blah. Thanks for the intervention, here's a barn star for your trouble, my friend. Please let me know if I can help out in the future. karmafist 04:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, yep. Just let me know if you need some backup when dealing with that half of Wikipedia. Just back, and it looks like i'm already in the fray again at WP:SFD! Never ends, eh? karmafist 05:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Proofread
Well, since the snow got me up early, and since UMD isn't opening until noon (why couldn't they just close? WHY?!), I went through and made some minor changes. :) -- tomf688 {talk} 12:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The article is very encyclopedic and informative. Whether or not it lives up to the conensus of the community in terms of FA quality, I do not know, since I don't participate in FA discussions. -- tomf688 {talk} 13:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

E-mail
I e-mailed you.Gator (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Stirling Newberry
Be nice my friend...this was uncalled for and you were not even engaged in the conversation.--MONGO 16:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You seem to have some previous issues with Stirling Newberry's conduct&mdash;I don't really want to get into that. My chief interest is resolving the issue with his signature; I refrained from piling on there because I didn't want him to feel attacked and I thought that the other editors had already made the point clearly.


 * I moved your comment to a new section because it brought up a host of other issues that you need to resolve with Stirling that seem to be unrelated to his signature. If you're going to attack his contributions as 'unreferenced POV', please don't hijack a section that is polite and unrelated discussion. (I don't know what his contributions are like, but they aren't related to his signature on talk pages.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I saw your displacement of my comment as being quite rude.--MONGO 16:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I saw your comment as being unrelated to the thread above it both in content and in tone. I did not edit your remarks.  I have nothing else to add about this issue. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yet Another RFA Thank You Note to clutter up your talk page...
MONGO:

Just wanted to drop you a note to say thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I will endeavor to always be worthy of that support.

All the best. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak ł blah } 21:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Answer at User Talk: Hamster Sandwich
Hello, I answered a comment of yours at User_talk:Hamster_Sandwich. Kim Bruning 04:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's notoriously hard to deadmin someone, so this seems like the best way to go. I wish I could wait and see, but by that time, possibly it'll be too late to reverse. (It might even be too late now, and I'll have needlessly made an enemy. :-/ ) Kim Bruning 04:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Shoshone National Forest
Hi Mongo - happened on your comment on Eoghanacht's talk page about wanting to make this a featured page. If I may make a suggestion, I'd re-order the paras to: 1 Geography 2 Biology 3 Fire ecology 4 Wilderness 5 Human history 6 Forest uses 7 Recreation 8 Tourism. I can expand on tree species details, if that'll help. - MPF 16:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have not gotten a chance to do a thorough proof of Shoshone National Forest yet. I have been out of town until yesterday, and keep getting my attention diverted.  The only thing I noted is that I am not sure "conservation" versus "preservation" is the right term near the top of the article -- either that or I do not use the term properly -- and it links to a disambig page.  Anyway, you explain the managed sustainable use principles of the Forest Service adequately after that, so it is probably unimportant.  It may be a couple days before I can read more.  Good luck on FA status! &mdash;  Eoghanacht  talk 21:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Stephen Mallinder and Philotic Web
Hi, I undeleted two of your speedy deletions. The former is a founder member of the British post-punk group, Cabaret Voltaire, and if it's too sketchy at present it should be redirected to the band article. The latter is probably a not-very-important website and we don't have a speedy deletion category for that. I listed it on AfD. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

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Beware the beavers!


Hey ! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D  Tom e rtalk 

Stirling Newberry's talkpage
How could he permanently deleted it without any admin powers? The history of his talk page also is gone. What could he have done? Might he have moved it to some undisclosed page perhaps in some obscure article and then deleted all the content leaving the only record hidden away in a history log? How else?

jucifer 21:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * See my comments at User talk:Juicifer. -- DS1953 22:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

My bad
I didn't mean to get rid of FT2's comments, but I really didn't feel like going more in depth than returning the comments he deleted. My fault if it seemed malicious. Arkon 05:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

MERRY CHRISTMAS
It is a little early but I am looking forward to Christmas. I will just have to wait though...lol. Gator (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Image placement vote
Hello, it's MegamanZero, and I've gotten into a conflict with the Orgy over his needless image placement and excessive quotes on the Iori Yagami page. So, I've decided to hold a vote (like on the Ryu charaacter page) concerning which version should be used. The vote can be found here. Please vote your opinion on the matter and thanks for your time! -MegamanZero 18:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:3RR
MONGO, you have made numerous edits to the September 11, 2001 attacks and they are mostly close enough in the text to make your edits well in excess of the 3 revert rule. I never block anyone I am in disagreement with, but I do not hesitate to report such violations. I politely ask you to refrain from editing the article in the same manner anymore for at least 24 hours. You can add or subtract from other sections of the same article if you feel that you must, but be careful not to engage in an edit war over sections. --Peter McConaughey 19:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay Peter...very cute.--MONGO 06:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Orioane's RfA


Hey ! Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. To my amazement there were no negative or neutral votes and the result was (28/0/0). I am now an administrator so I'll try and do my best in this new position. I'll be happy to answer any comments or requests from you. Thanks one more time, Mihai -talk 20:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

semi-protection
Finally, some attention is being paid. Check here. --kizzle 21:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: RFB
Heh, for some reason, reading your comment made me think of the Soup Nazi.

''No soup for you! Come back one year!''

No hard feelings, and cheers. Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 04:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Alhutch's RfA
Dear Mongo,

I'm an administrator, and I've got you to thank for it! Thanks to your support, my RfA passed 25/0. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I can help you with anything. See you around the wiki, :-) Alhutch 05:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi from me
You came to mind today when I was voting to support the well-deserved nomination of Gator1 for adminship. I remember finding out about your nomination, but I never voted. I thought I should let you know that it was because I didn't exactly remember who you were and couldn't recall any specific knowledge of what you've done. Sorry!! That's the only reason I didn't take the time to vote. But I sure hope it went well, and do check in sometime, say hi, and let me know how it went (well, I hope!). paul klenk &#91;&#91;User talk:Paul Klenk&#124;&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]]

SoLando's RFA
Hi MONGO (great name!), thank you for voting in support of my RFA; the result was (28-0-0 ). I hope that I am able to fulfil the expectations of an admin. If you see me mess up anywhere, have any concerns, please don't hesitate to tell me! Take care. SoLando (Talk) 10:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Marissa Siketa
You may not find Marisa Siketa notable, my friend, but the BBC differs. I've restored the article and redirected to the correctly spelled article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

What actually links to the incorrect spelling? 86.137.74.254 16:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Many thanks for your support during my RfA – following a 30/0/0 vote I’ve now been made an admin. Do have a Jaffa Cake! Cheers, CLW 13:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thesis MK- II
Mind looking at this, and telling me what you r opinion on the talkpage..? Thanks..! -MegamanZero 16:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

My recent rfa
Dear MONGO, I wanted to thank you for your support during my recent RfA. :) --Syrthiss 21:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Me too, on my RFA, I want to thank you for supporting me. Cheers! — M o e   ε  21:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

response
no, it was not hostile, it was dead honest. i understand how it looks that way, but it's not hostility because that's personal. unless you go through and look through hundreds of talk page diffs, you wouldn't know all that went down because people kept wiping the pages. i have sound reasons for the strength of my opposition. i suspect you don't know a lot of the details ... because you would known how much opposition there would be at this point. i assume you nominated him thinking it would pass, and i have a lot of respect for your judgement. ordinarily your endorsement would be enough for me, but i have a lot of personal experience with Gator that's different from yours. based on that, i was very genuinely alarmed at the prospect that he might become an admin at this point. if you really want, i can go dig up some examples of why ... but, i'd just as soon leave it be.

looking at the count now, i see that it was likely to fail. but what i noticed at the time was over a 2-1 support ratio, with 20+ 'for' votes. at that point, thinking it might pass, i pull no punches and say what's on my mind. i'm dead serious, i have never opposed anyone who got nominated this strongly in over 1.5 years. now, i think it's important for people to know that, because i don't want to see him pass. bad admins are like bad cops, they damage the credibility of the whole system. i need to know that Gator's going to be a good admin, right now. two months ago, he damn sure would not have been. that's not a very long time. i assume he's been pretty good lately or you wouldn't have nominated him. but, i want to see how he reacts in similar circumstances to the BD case ... anyone can be a good admin when everything's going fine. i need to know he's going to be good with things get tense. and he was anything but good in that case, where's the evidence that's he's different in the tense cases now? not i'm not great at it either, but i'm not up for admin.

i also don't want to hurt his feelings too bad, because i imagine he's a decent enough guy in real life. so, i went over and left a note on his talk page. i don't like publicly criticizing someone else strongly, it makes me uncomfortable. i expressed my opinion as forthrightly as i could, and that's vehement opposition. when you go up for adminship, you are asking people to say what they think publicly. he should have known there would be some strong opposition.

whether he gets adminship in a few months is up to him; i think he might and i might vote for him then. but he dug himself a mighty big hole early on. now at the end of the BD business, Gator showed some class. that's enough for me to have nothing against him personally. but, even if Gator had won the nobel peace prize in the past two months, i still would oppose him for adminship at this point. my response was only uncalled for if the nomination were sure to fail. i think it is at this point, which is why i toned it down.

with straight-up respect for you, Derex 22:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * While I do think it is good that Derex toned his response down, I think it came from a lot of justified anger in the involvement Gator played in the BD case. Defending someone in the minority is one thing, defending someone who had a legion of editors pleading with BD first to stop personally attacking his co-contributors, deriding those who correctly appealed to the Wikipedia resolution process, and joking with BD about our attempts to get BD to listen really did cause a lot of bitterness in those involved in the BD affair.  I don't think you were around for that one, not sure where you were, probably you were luckily engaged in the censorship project debate, and I can't claim impartiality in the least in describing the situation, but given the response on his RfA and the amount of times BD is mentioned in the oppose votes, I know I'm not the only one.  Of course, time heals all wounds, so I stand by what I said before (and I think Derex does too) in that I'll support Gator in a few months, but you have to give Derex a break on this matter, as he was not the instigator of bad blood between Gator and him.  But like I said, in my typical wishy-washy manner, I'm glad he toned his comment down. --kizzle 01:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Just respnding here hoping you both will see it...I fully understand how both of you feel and absolutely respect your opinions. I did a search of the diffs and indeed, Gator wasn't exactly nice. He did engage in the conversations and he took the wrong side. Big Daddy acted like a piece of crap and deserved what he got. In defense of Gator, he was fairly new then, but I know that this was only half his edit history ago as he is still fairly new now. I won't defend Gator on his actions there, but there was some tit for tat, so while I am in agreement that Gator was hostile, and perhaps more so than either of you, it wasn't completely his fault. Regardless, as always, we are not always going to see eye to eye, but that doesn't mean for one second that I don't sincerely appreciate the contributions both of you two make.--MONGO 03:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course, and same to you Mongo. I guess it's getting redundant, we're all pretty much in agreement that Gator will get another shot in a few months, we'll see how things go until then. --kizzle 03:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Just want to acknowledge that I wasn't a model of temperance in my interactions with Gator. Give it a few months and put him back up.  I think the problem was he was new and had a hard time with AGF, but he still is pretty new after a rough start.  Judging from the mature way he's handling the criticism, I think I'll be inclined to support in the future.  Particularly so if he does some good mediation work; that's an opportunity to show some cool.  Btw, I think you forgot a "not" on your message to me, unless you were being sarcastic which doesn't seem to be the case. Derex 03:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Hey MONGO, thanks again for last week. I also just wanted to let you know that Linuxbeak was one of the main people who helped me through all of that before my near "last day".I'm not the only person he's helped, which he can do even better as a bureaucrat.

It seems like you don't have any strong opinion towards him, so i'm asking you to remove your neutral vote there since he's very close to the margin of error level there right now -- currently 90%, without your vote it goes up a few points. Please, my friend. Linuxbeak would be a great bureaucrat. karmafist 05:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the cake and greetings..
....and for editconflicting me while I was archiving:-)....I had a good birthday yesterday. Thanks again for the well wishes.  Ban e  s  06:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

"NOEDITSECTION" on George W. Bush
Hi, I just noticed that when I remove the "noeditsection" directive from the George W. Bush article there are some people who put it back, claiming that it has the effect of keeping down vandalism. But surely this must also hinder all editing, not just vandalism. What do you think? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Irish Airmail Society
I would like to discuss your deletion of this page. I hope this is the place to do so, otherwise please advise me.

Had you read my subsequent Talk page I explained this material provided to Wkipedia here Talk:Irish_Airmail_Society. Maybe Lerdsuwa mislead me by his comment when he originally removed the material from the Aerophilately page with the comment "revert Irish Airmail Society stuff, should belong to separate article." Lerdsuwa made no comment about copyright violation so I started a separate article and now there is some problem but as mentioned in the talk page, I have the authority, as webmaster, to contribute material from a copyright site and the IAS is an educational and non-commercial hobby organization so I don't see any objection, unless I did it incorrectly as a newbie. So what's the problem and how do I fix it as this is additional information expanding on the general Philately category which is currently rather small and lacking in information.

(ww2censor 22:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

This type of censorship makes me sick
Vote to keep, show these hypocrites what's what, tolerance? ha, only when it's good for them--Diatrobica;l 23:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Templates
I wouldn't remove anything unilaterally; to clarify what I was referring to (which, if anything, would be 'adding' to what is displayed), is to change anything like Medford, OR to just Medford, Oregon --it's simpler, there are no space constraints in that infobox area necessitating abbreviating information, and mostly, I strongly feel that expecting people in Timbuktu to know that "OR" equals "Oregon" (same with any of the other two-letter state abbrevs) is fairly US-centric. Fixbeforeigo 06:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * As for the PS, of the many of articles I've editted (mostly as anons) I've seen states spelled out FAR more often than abbreviated. Fixbeforeigo 06:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

John Seigenthaler Sr.
Yeah, I saw. No problem. I just protected the page for now, too. NSLE ( T + C + CVU ) 10:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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9/11 / government / torture allegations reversion
While the language was a bit toasty, I didn't see much if anything in the grafs you reverted out that I haven't seen in the general press. --Baylink 20:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

September 11 researchers
Hi; Seeing the recent edits at September 11, 2001 attacks, there's an AfD you might be interested in: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/9/11 conspiracy theories/September 11 researchers. Tom Harrison (talk) 20:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

What is going on?
Hi MONGO! Much to my bewilderment I am being called a pov-pusher because I have be trying to keep the traditional and most commonly accepted AD and BC in a couple of articles that started out from the beginning using this system. Apart from the fact that it has been in use for over a thousand years it is the most commonly used just about every encyclopedia uses AD and BC.

There is however an element in the guise of users such as Aecis who wants to suspress the use of this traditional system anyone who fights this person is said to be a pov-pusher. This self described liberal wants to change all the rules.

What is the proper approach? I was told by another user that if an article was begun using one dating system then it should stay using the system it was started from. I've been trying to stick to this but this zealot does what she/he likes anyway!

Anyway, if you can give me any ideas on what I should do please let me know. This user is being suggested for being an admin too by the way. That's all we need another ultra-liberal admin. Thanks for any help you can suggest. Ciao Dwain 23:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not including a few before. Sophocles was called to my attention first but even Jesus is now being changed to BCE and CE. this is new politically correct jargon so that any connection to religion is avoided I guess. I have no idea. Thanks for your interest. Dwain 01:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't say I said things I never said, Pitchka. I never called you a pov-pusher because of the BCE/BC/CE/AD-issue. I called you a pov-pusher for your behaviour surrounding the cfd on the pro-life/pro-choice celebrities categories. And my possible nomination for admin (from which I've withdrawn) has nothing to do with these issues. Aecis praatpaal 15:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

BugZilla
I see you have a BugZilla account. How do you make it so it doesn't show your email to everybody? Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 04:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well, that same bug is now being used for WP:SEMI (which passed and now has Jimbo support!) so you might want to go there and say that... it is 675. Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 04:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has passed with 104 support / 4 oppose / 2 neutral, comments by Avar and Brion (two developers), two stewards (Anthere, with questions, and Datrio, with support) and approval by Jimbo here, so it completely safe it has passed. Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 04:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks MONGO for calling my attention to my being accused of socpuppetry. I haven't been accused of that in awhile. Dwain 04:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA
Guess what. I pulled up my watchlist and all these "(block)" buttons started appearing. Thank you for the support. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  06:14, Dec. 17, 2005

Thank you!
'''Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/2), so I'm now an administrator! I wish I could look good pushing over a tree like you do. :( Mo0 [ talk ] 06:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)'''

'''Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/1), so I'm now an administrator! And I'm stealing Mo0's thank you box! Wheeeee!''' Shanel 06:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Administrator intervention against vandalism
Thanks MONGO for helping remove the multitudes of vandalism. There appear to be two seperate vandal networks active right now. One appears to have access to a wide variety of IP addresses, and is replacing the entire George W. Bush article with the text Go to www.google.com and type in "Miserable Failure". The other network is adding penis images galore, making edits in pairs of two IP addresses or more -- this is evidently a problem when rolling back, because it looks like the rollbacks will just go to the previous edit also made by the same vandal under a different IP. I have posted more details at WP:AIV if you would care to take a look. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 08:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Hi. This message is concerning your [ removal of infoboxes] from 72.145.120.7's talk page. I agree with the removal of both, particularly &#123;{IPtalkblanking}}. However, I'm replacing all such instances I come across with the WikiProject on User Warnings' standardised &#123;{s/wnote}}, which I think is of immense help to admin. Since you just removed some infoboxes from that talk page, I thought I'd ask if you had any objections to my placing a new one already. // Pathoschild 09:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi MONGO. Thanks for your support on my recent RFA. The request was successful, with a final tally of 33/0/0. I'm delighted that you decided to support it and I hope that I can live up to your expectations. Leithp (talk) 09:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ianbrown's RfA
Thanks for voting in my recent RfA. I was overwhelmed at the turnout and comments received. Ian &equiv; talk 07:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)



Thank you for having such a fun and colorful talk page. --Peter McConaughey 19:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi MONGO, thanks for your support on my recent RFA. Although I did not make admin, I'm very happy you decided to support me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. — M o e   ε  04:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

National Wilderness Preservation System
I suggest that this article be merged into U.S. Wilderness Area. Cheers, Cuppysfriend, 24:11, 21 December 2005.

Thank you for your support on my RfA
Hi MONGO! Thank you for your support on my RfA. The result was successful and I am happy that people have placed their trust in me. If you require any assistance in the future, feel free to contact me and I'll try to aid you as best as I can! Have a happy holidays! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 03:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

my RfA
MONGO, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 04:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Man
I took a quick look at it, and it looks like Featured material. I'm just going to head off for awhile. I've got other things to do anyway, I might as well get to them before the Ivory Tower/Gutter tag team makes me lose my temper again. Do me a favor though and ask Fred Bauder if he finds it ironic that he's thinking of desysopping me after he was disbarred in Colorado. I'd ask him, but I just know that'd just cause cause more shit, and things regarding the structure of Wikipedia already have enough shit. karmafist 18:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Heh, you're absolutely right man. It just gets to me when people try to hurt others, and it gets to me even more when people who try to take on those who hurt others just get hurt for it like I seem to be getting all the time. Ultimately, this place has helped me take out my bad temper so there's none left where it really counts: real life. karmafist 19:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for supporting my RfA. The final tally was a respectable 22/4/1. Deltabeignet 23:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Hey ! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  03:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your support of my Rfa, MONGO. I am happy to announce that I have successfully been voted an administrator, and wish to say that I will work harder to make Wikipedia a more reliable source of information. I apologize if this seems impersonal. Croat Canuck 06:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Thanks; Okay, anytime after Christmas. Tom Harrison (talk) 14:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Toni-Ann Byfield
I note that you voted delete for the article Toni-Ann Byfield. I can reassure you that this was an important event. I have since cleaned up the article, added more information and included a reference. If you would like to reconsider your vote, please take a look at the changes made. Thanks. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 08:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

re: Toni-Ann Byfield
Oops, my bad. Ended up clicking on the wrong name :-p Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 09:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Gouranga
Sockpuppet? - Please explain. I am merely trying to keep the Gouranga and Hare Krishna pages clear and informative. I have been involved with Gaudiya-Vaishnavism for ten years, and have been doing my best to keep the pages neutral for the past 2-3 months. 'dab' comes along this week (Untill then I'd been anon editor), and suddenly all these problems? What is wrong with the original page. I think most people know very little on this subject matter, 'dab' included. It's not exactly an everyday topic, and involves a number of deep, rich traditions, cultures and heritages. Do you expect me just to shut up and let the thing I hold most dear in my life to be trashed on the World Wide Web?
 * I recognize now that this person is serious. His edits are borderline to vandalism, however, and I did consider rolling them back to be 3RR-exempt. He will argue a single point, which would make for a valid content dispute, and change ten other points. These articles were so far below par that I didn't expect anybody to be watching them, let along consider them in some sort finished or adequate. I am unsure how to address this now. From his editing behaviour, the user is borderline to troll and/or vandal. From his talk behaviour, he is just extremely clueless in both Wiki matters, and the subject matter (non-ISKCON Hinduism). If his edits improve to at least correspond to the point he makes on talk, I will consider him bona fide, even if his demands for an ISKCON-only pov are still totally unacceptable. If he continues his erratic behaviour, I will think it admissible to issue short warning blocks. If you get to look into the case, please advise. I am posting this to AN/I too. dab (&#5839;) 16:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Izehar's RfA
Hi MONGO, I would like to thank you for your kind support on my RfA. I'll do my best to be a good administrator. If you need anything or if I ever do something I shouldn't have, please, don't hesitate to drop me a line. Izehar 16:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi MONGO! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;

re:Maps
IN conjunction with an attempt to standardize all protected areas I used the new locator map in articles but not sure I did the one in question. More info is here: WikiProject Protected Areas/Infobox. I would prefer to use the location map as shown in the template on those pages, and perhaps put the map you restored off to the left. An image of the region would be better as well.--MONGO 22:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I also explained it in more detail here :Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Protected areas--MONGO 22:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, can you explain what you did on the template for protected areas? It was the effort of a number of folks and I am not that good at templates, so what did the changes you added do to the templates? Thanks!--MONGO 07:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * A new template feature is that you can specify the default value for template parameters.  in a template means that if you call that template without specifying the "foo" parameter, it will default to "bar".  So in Template:Infobox protected area, it used to be that if you didn't want the "nearest city" field, you had to use "nearest_city=".  Now you can just leave that parameter out entirely.


 * One major benefit of this "default null value" feature is that you can easily add optional parameters to a template without breaking the pages that already use the template. dbenbenn | talk 21:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Howcheng's RfA
Thank you for your MONGO support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again.  howch e  ng   {chat} 06:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Tom harrison RfA
Thank you, I accept the nomination. Tom Harrison (talk) 03:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I've indicated my acceptance, and answered thee those questions three. Tom Harrison (talk) 03:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Assistance on overzealous admin


Hi MONGO. Given that you're probably the least likely admin whom I might contact, I figured you'd be perfect. Both because of our past disagreement and because you are about as politically opposed to me as anyone could be :-).

Here's the story. I've done some work on List of dictators, including help shepherd it through a failed AfD nomination that some editors felt very strongly about (i.e. the delete votes, while not consensus, were vehement; I believed the topic is salvageable). With some conscientious work, a number of editors (including me, but a bunch of others who did more also), we managed to reach some pretty carefully crafted criteria for membership, and adopted a format that allows detailed annotation of the evidence for inclusion of a given name. I'm actually quite proud of what an encyclopedic article we managed to put together out of such a thorny and contentious topic. Of course, we get our share of vandals... more than any other single issue, anti-Castro fanatics put in unencyclopedic diatribes (I suspect you sympathize with them, but know that you still value WP:NPOV, even for things you feel strongly about). In any case, that's not what I'm writing you about.

Recently, an editor and admin, User:Jossi came along, very gang-busters, with declarations for how the list would be redefined and rearranged, by his fiat. He also added the broad "NPOV" tag, which a number of prior editors have done out of a generic dislike of what they perceive as the "inherently POV" quality of the list. The thing is, I'm actually extremely sympathetic with Jossi's concerns&mdash;there's no question that this is a topic that risks turning into a soapbox for errant editors... the fact we've avoided it is a testament to the hard work of editors. I think this editor is acting with good faith, but has forgotten somewhat about the need for cooperation and consensus.

Anyway, I'm hoping you might be willing to informally mediate a bit. I think a reminder and a nudge from a completely uninvolved admin would be all that is needed to get Jossi to take a deep breath, slow down, and work on building consensus for any changes. But I fear a completely unnecessary conflict could arise... something I confess I sometimes lack a subtlety of tact in avoiding. All the best. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 04:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Around 1/5/06
Perhaps so. I said after the first of the year, but I didn't necessarily mean right after the first of the year, but that would be ok. The worst that could happen would be that I would be humiliated, but in my 49 years on the planet, it wouldn't be the first time. Thanks. --rogerd 05:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you are kind. I guess anytime after the first week in Jan would be ok.  BTW, I am a huge Blazing Saddles fan.  I try to watch the DVD once or twice a year --rogerd 06:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for supporting my successful RfA! Your trust means a great deal to me, and I promise to try my hardest to serve the community. &mdash;David Levy (formerly Lifeisunfair) 06:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

List of dictators
Thanks for your note about List of dictators. I agree with those who consider the article inherently POV. If I had noticed the AfD listing, I would've voted to delete. I don't think it's worth investing my time trying to clean it up. Someone else has already noted on the talk page the example of one exclusion that caught my eye, namely that of the Shah. (My first thought was to see if pro-U.S. dictators were properly included. At least Pinochet and Somoza made the list, but my third pick, the Shah, didn't.)  In the same vein, I see that Mao is listed but Chiang Kai-shek is not. (The information in Chiang Kai-shek would certainly seem to qualify Chiang.)


 * Someone just recently removed Chiang, I agree he should be restored, but hadn't examined the evidence and annotation yet. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was there for a while, but was taken off because of his monarchical pretentions (traditional monarchs are excluded); however, my feeling is that the Shah should indeed be there.  I'd support the inclusion if you add it, JamesMLane. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 07:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't go so far as to include Bush as a dictator. Another example of militant leftist rhetoric, namely calling him a fascist, is more defensible. You might be interested in http://www.bushflash.com/14.html (takes a while to load -- audio-visual presentation of fascist characteristics of Bush's America). JamesMLane 06:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, you're both a lot smarter than I am about this list and who should be on there....I think so long as we follow the definition of Dictator, than anyone who has run or led a nation that fits in that description should be on the list. I think the list is helpful, especially to people who do not know much about the subject matter...it is up to us to make sure it is NPOV. Bush doesn't qualify for numerous reasons...there is a difference between Dictator and being Dictatorial and I'm not even sure he is the latter...--MONGO 09:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * FWIW, some POV-mongers on the left at one point added Bush out of some WP:POINT. I actually made a conscientious effort on the talk page to explain exactly why Bush doesn't meet the criteria (i.e. stipulating the edit was sincere, but incorrect, though that's probably too generous).  I don't like Bush, but the list isn't there for me (or any other editor) to express our likes and dislikes.  For that matter, I am the one who added Castro in the first place, despite the fact I keep getting accused of being pro-Castro for removing the diatribes (usually anonymous or single-topic) editors insert. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 09:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm with you on this one man...I think we need the article, and like I said, so long as it follows the definiton of Dictator, then it should be inclusive...if Bush fit into that definition, then he should also be there...if a list is made of world leaders that sound like morons, then Bush would be my first choice to be listed. It is all very similar to my argument that the 9/11 hijackers were terrorists...it is only a word, and the actions of those hijackers was BEST described by the term terrorist...just as the rule of those on the Dictator list seem to fit into the definition of dictator. I was going to add more to the talk there, but seems everyone has moved on for now...--MONGO 09:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA
Yes, I have supported several in the past week, including LIU and Mike Rosoft. My opinion is that since admins are frequently involved in wikiprocesses, users should have some experience or familarity with some processes before becoming admins. Examples would include ANI, VIP, RFC, FAC, RM or WSS, or any deletion process except for AFD. Note that all of these are processes that non-admins can help out with. I am deliberately excluding AFD voting because far too many people do that and having a strong opinion on deleting or not deleting certain articles is unrelated to adminship skills. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 10:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Test
Thanks for thinking i'm smart enough to be worth frustrating :-) karmafist 11:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Good brain teasers. I got 1 and 4 right. Thanks.  --rogerd 14:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess I'm a "glass empty" kinda guy... I read the first question counting from the back of the race (i.e. "second" as "second-to-last"). But I don't confuse thousands and hundreds.  It's a cute little briar patch... I've seen it before, or something close. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I was promoted with a final tally of 31/1/1. Please don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything I can assist with. --BorgQueen 23:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Block on 202.180.83.6
I've just unblocked 202.180.83.6 - which happens to be my IP, and that of a very large number of dedicated wikipedians (it's the address used by New Zealand's biggest ISP). As it says on the block page, "please keep blocks in these ranges to 15 minutes or less". AND, as it says on User talk: 202.180.83.6 (you should ALWAYS check an IP's talk page prior to blocking it!) "Administrators: Please check the blocklog for this IP before blocking. Admins previously affected are listed there (as unblocking admins) and would appreciate being notified before a block is applied." Grutness...wha?  10:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * cleaning up the user talk page a bit is probably a good idea. sorry I got annoyed, but (as the block log shows) this seems to happen about once a week and - despite asking to be warned so that I don't lose work - very few admins let me know what's happening. And since a lot of my work is either archiving wikiproject pages or category moves, being blocked part way through can be a bit of a problem. The sooner the suggestions at Blocking policy proposal get finalised, the better I'll like it! Anyway, as I said, sorry. It's after midnight here, anyway, so I'll re-block for the next half an hour now that I've finished what I was doing... hopefully after that the vandal will have given up and gone to bed. Grutness...wha?  11:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Gotcha!
You plan on burying the survivors now? You are soooo demented :) Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 12:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem; You got me on the third question, so I owed you one. Tom Harrison (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll give you a hint to the third one. What season is it? Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 10:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Winter....--MONGO 10:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly. So there's no apples in the first place :) Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 11:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm always looking for more in an equation...for the record, I got only two of my four right...thanks for participating and for the additions!--MONGO 11:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Let me know
If you didn't understand my comments in Requests for adminship/Tom harrison patsw 01:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Thank You
Sure thing, the user page is a sacred place, and user page vandals should be whacked on he head as quickly as possible :P By the way, I just noticed that the placement of the top two images on your user page is absolutely hilarious :) -- Ferkelparade &pi; 13:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Anytime! :-) — Alex 23:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Thank you for your vote! Please let me know if I can help you as an advisory council member in the future. karmafist 00:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Mongo, now that I'm an administrator, I just wanted to thank you for your support on my RfA. If you need help with anything, just ask! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
 ''' Hello ,

I wish to thank you for your vote on my RfA. It has passed with a final tally of 59/0/0. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! <font color="#151B8D">Knowledge <font color="#C11B17">Of <font color="#008000">Self | <font color="#461B7E">talk  03:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC) '''

Esperanza Elections
 MONGO 

Thanks for voting for me at the Esperanza Elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask me. Thanks again, Fir  e  Fox  11:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)