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Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff
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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel(Talk) 18:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeesh. I'll get my popcorn ready.--MONGO 18:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've brough enough for the two of us!  P h a e d r i e l  - 19:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Bring your knitting too, I'm told that's also a spectator pastime during public disciplinings (see illustration).--Docg 19:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Popcorn and knitting...MONGO need candy too! The nonexplosive kind...--MONGO 19:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * C'mon, get a bang out of life... Raymond Arritt 20:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Snopes is great...I sent around what I thought was a real issue and was told, that it was a farce...I oftentimes check there if I something suspicious now.--MONGO 21:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Snopes is a good site, but I have found one that is somewhat decent as well for covering most recent topics (some anyway): Trend Micro. JungleCat    Shiny! / Oohhh!  22:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks..I hadn't seen that one before.--MONGO 03:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Twin towers and elks
You know, I've seen some of the turmoil related to that very troublesome User:MONGO "MONGO is very mean" ;-) and although I haven't been involved, I've picked up the impression that you annoyed some people over some article connected to 9/11. So, in a sense, I think of you as the guy who's involved in some conflict over 9/11. I think that while it's possible to be a very good, well-meaning, courteous editor, making responsible, NPOV edits to a particular article, if an editor shows himself to be editing Wikipedia solely because of his interest in one, very controversial, topic, it generally indicates that he's here with an agenda. I never thought that about you, though I didn't really investigate it either. But it was a pleasure suddenly to see your name appear on my watchlist for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals, and to see that you created and made major contributions to an article that isn't political in the least. I haven't yet read Elk (Cervus canadensis), but, having scanned it, I'd say it looks very professional in the layout, the length of sections, and the proportion of images to text. I've added it to my watchlist now and will look at it more carefully later, so you may well see my name showing up on your watchlist! I particularly appreciate. So, I never thought you were a single-issue editor, even though I noticed you get a lot of trolling over the same issue, but it was nice to get that completely unnecessary confirmation that you're not! Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 11:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Elinor...much appreciated. The image on commons is "okay"...I don't like the fence in the background and the tops of the antlers are washed out due to over exposure...but it the best image I have or could find...there are better images overall, but none it seems in the public domain and of a large size as well. I actually have retreated a bit from 9/11 related articles as of late..seems matters there are being well dealt with by others...but if issues arise again, I have about a dozen related pages on that event watchlisted...and I've decided to stay away form "baiting" arguments as they tend to get my goat. In actuality, all the featured articles and virtually all the other articles I have written have nothing to do with 9/11...almost 300 in total...most relate to land management. In looking over the Elk article, it is a first attempt by me to get an animal to featured article level and much different than others I have personal knowledge of. Feel free to fix my numerous mistakes if you so desire...the article has a ways to go yet!. Thanks again.--MONGO 11:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Burrowing Owl Featured Picture Nomination
Just wanted to let you know that this image has been nominated as a featured picture.--YanA 16:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad your page is on my watchlist. Strong support. ElinorD (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoa...much appreciated. I hadn't realized it was noticed to be of this caliber. I must say, looking at a lot of other images of birds, it is below par...especially when compared to images like, and. Maybe I can lighten the colors a bit and try and get rid of the shadowy effect in a cleaned up version. Thanks again!--MONGO 20:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm rather fond of this one, which I came across somewhere, and actually had on my userpage for a while. As a matter of fact, I'm far more likely to say "Wow! Fantastic photo" if you take a photo of something that is, in itself, beautiful (like the owl), than if you take an extremely professional photo of, say, a slightly cracked plate full of goulash, regardless of how well it's taken! ElinorD (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes...the kookaburra is a cool image. I saw that one on someones page...oh yeah, Zoe. Kind of looks like a wet grumpy fellow...we're all kind of grumpy Zoe has left us too ( at least I am), so that fits.--MONGO 21:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Though the criticism on the nomination page does hold water, it's still a great picture. I was happy to nominate it.--YanA 00:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What exactly was done to the second image? I ask because modified images should have a description on any changes made as per Editing candidates. That having been said, bang up job between you and your friend for improving the image.--YanA 07:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hum...Wsiegmund would know...he used PhotoShop elements for his Mac to get it cleaned up. I simply emailed him a cropped original and he did the rest.--MONGO 07:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Monte Ne
Hello, I'm needing some info or support for an article about a place listed on the National Register of Historic Places that I've been working on. It's a place called Monte Ne which was a health resort of sorts run by an eccentric bimetallisms named William Coin Harvey in the early twentieth century. I've put a lot of time into the article and now I'm trying to get it featured, so if you wouldn't mind looking it over and giving me some criticism or support I would really appreciate. Also I've asked a few other users for there help and placed this exact same message on their discussion page. This was just so I wouldn't have to type it again, I'm not trying to spam your talk page. If you have any questions please feel free to leave me a message or email me. Thanks so much! --The_stuart 21:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly..I'll take a look.--MONGO 05:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trimming all those metric measurements and adding some others. While reviewing the diffs for your edits, I noticed this sentence had been removed.
 * Each of the 40 rooms had fireplaces, as did the dining room and center hall.
 * Since your edit summary says nothing about copyediting or fact checking, I was wondering about it.
 * --Jtir 20:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I took out too much...the 40 rooms having fireplaces issue was already mentioned in the previous paragraph, but the rest can go back in.--MONGO 21:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The previous paragraph is about Missouri Row. The paragraph from which you removed information is about Oklahoma Row. These are different structures. --Jtir 04:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I readjusted it again.--MONGO 05:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Jtir 05:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC
Just wanted to let you know that I opened an RfC on myself in response to the concerns raised during my RfA over my actions in the Gary Weiss dispute. The RfC is located here and I welcome any comments or questions you may have. CLA 05:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Burrowing Owl.
Thanks for the update. :) Acalamari 22:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And me.--John 22:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC) (formerly Guinnog)
 * No, thank you both...happy editing!--MONGO 05:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Furry Critters
I've set up a discussion for furry critters right here as there's a few folk working on stuff 'round the place..feel free to add promising ones at the bottom so folk can jump right in....cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 23:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks for the Barnstar - very kind, nice to know the page was noticed. Giano 13:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

mail
You have mail --rogerd 02:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

My RfA ...
Hi. Thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was successful and I am now an admin. If I can ever be of help, please let me know. Cheers, Black Falcon (Talk) 06:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck!--MONGO 06:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Secret decoder ring too
Sorry for the oversight, Brother Mongo. We'll get those sent out to you real soon now. Tom Harrison Talk 14:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Super! I'm looking forward to it!--MONGO 14:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

 * Good job!--MONGO 19:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

El Malpais National Monument
On this edit you set the longitude seconds to 67 when converting to a template. Any idea what the real value should be? Cburnett 01:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just updated it as best I could, based on info gleemed from the NPS website and Topozone.--MONGO 04:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sockie
Re. this, can you pmail me? Thanks - A l is o n  ☺ 04:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup.--MONGO 04:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Answered - A l is o n  ☺ 04:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir
Thank you for your very kind message Mr MONGO. You're a sweetie. You, too, don't get the credit you deserve. You're a hero to stalked and harassed women everywhere. :) Cheers MONGO, Sarah 06:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly and thank you very much.--MONGO 07:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for "taking the liberty" on my user page, I really wasn't sure what it was about, but you are probably right. Cheers and thanks Geologyguy 19:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Most appreciated
My second barnstar! And to think of all the complaints I get that have gone unreciprocated.--Mantanmoreland 21:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup...this place is unfair! We demand equal rights with the trolls, NOW!--MONGO 21:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I have brought a dispute to that Bishonen board, so let us see if it can be resolved.--Mantanmoreland 22:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikitruth.info Delinked on Userpage
You changed my userpage User:Cumbrowski/WikiResources to remove the link to WT. You edit summary was "delinking to attack website". I reverted the edit, which worked. I suspected first that you delinked the site, because the domain was banned (again). But that is not the case. May I ask why you did it and what you mean by "delinking to attack website"? Thanks. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 08:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because that website posts personal identifying info about Wikipedians that should remain unlinked to..it is also a repository in some cases of articles that have been removed from Wikipedia by Office actions. Please don't advertize that website on Wikipedia.--MONGO 09:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, I understand your concerns. thanks. I am not advertising the site though. I refer to it as to other con-wikipedia and pro-wikipedia as well. The office in not above everything and if somebody has a problem with it and makes it public, he is free to do so, as long as he does not violate any contract, law or is libeling anybody. Considering the coverage Wikitruth had, would it be wrong to exclude it as a resource for information to Wikipedia. It might not be convenient for some people at Wikipedia, but I tend to apply Wikipedia's principles of neutral point of view and verifiable sources to things beyond Wikipedia.org. I grew up in East Germany (communist part) and know how it goes, if not so convenient opinions are being silenced, one way or another. Maybe that is the reason why appreciate the freedom I enjoy now here in the United States so much. I hope you understand my argumentation. People interested in Wikipedia will find out anyway, one way or another. I don't prefer the "another" option. Thanks. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 10:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know it seems like censorship, but it definitely isn't about that at all. It's a right to privacy issue since we have primarily anonymous editors. I really appreciate your understanding about this matter.--MONGO 10:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If they violate any laws, send out a DMCA notice and force the content to be taken down. Telling people to be careful with creating articles for their own companies (WP:COI), because it can be a two edged sword, when other people are getting involved and contribute to the article all the not so nice facts about the company (see Wal Mart), they will be sorry that they started it because they wanted to promote their own business (I am an internet marketer and get the heat from both sides, marketers who hate Wikipedians and Wikipedians who hate marketers). If it is out there, chances are that it will find its way into the article. That follows a general truth about things in life. If it is true and if it is out there, then it will be found. Rather deal with it directly than trying to hide it and make things worse. As I said, if any laws were broken, there are legal ways to go against it. If not, deal with it and don't hide it.--roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 10:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not link to attack sites that post personal ID about people. See WP:NOT.--MONGO 10:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That applies to the article main space, but not user pages. I didn't even know what you mean by "attack site" before you mentioned it. That draws much more attention to it than just letting it be. Trust me, I know that much as a marketer. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 10:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...What your userpage is not]...check the policy again.--MONGO 10:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I read it again, and the help page it referred to and some policies the help referred to and I still don't see any violation. The page referred to is a reference for me an may be others (usually people I point to it) to get a better grip on the complex system of procedures and rules at Wikipedia, why they are there, how they work and what you can, should and should not do. So far the only things I see so far is that you have a dislike of some part of the content. You are the first one within one full year. I moved the references from my main user page to its own sub-page, because I extended it and wanted to make it easier to refer to it when I need to. Some users might miss the user page template so I added an intro paragraph that explains that this is my collection of Wikipedia related resources and not an official Wikipedia one. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 11:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

If you're planning on using that website as a reference base, expect to see me delete those links as you add them. If I don't do it others probably will anyway, as we find them. It has nothing to do with disliking it...it has to do with the fact that that website violates people's privacy. Help us write an encyclopedia, not some gossip rag please.--MONGO 11:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There are laws to protect people's privacy. If something about you is on there that is not public and was acquired illegally, get an attorney and send them a seize and desist letter or if they infringe copyright, such as published something you wrote (without you having it released into the public domain etc), send their hosting provider and them a DMCA notice to take it down. If they don't defend themselves and not take it down, their hosting provider will take the whole site down. See The federal Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) (PDF). If they are in California, even better (Data_privacy). If they published something you don't like, sorry for that, but that will not make me give up my constitutional rights to make you happy. I hope that I was able to provide you with some information about options available to you or your friends to explore to resolve the matter once and for all.


 * Btw. The page where it is on, is not syndicated and nofollow is enabled = the only difference between linking and not linking is that without linking have users to copy and paste the URL manually into the navigation bar. Just FYI. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 12:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please refraign from canvassing WP:CANVAS. I refer to what triggered the activities of User:Rogerd. See . Thank you. --roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 12:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No one contacted me about this. I have my own eyes.  Please don't accuse someone of something that you have no proof. --rogerd 14:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, telepathy works afterall!...Wow.--MONGO 14:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * great, I should update the telepathy article and use this as reference. Do you qualify as reliable sources? Not sure. mmh.--roy&lt;sac&gt; Talk! .oOo. 21:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

(restore indent) Not to butt in, but this exchange is a perfect microcosm of what is going on in the world today. The US representative willingly and adamantly forgoes concrete "freedom" in exchange for a feeling of "security," while the former Eastern Bloc representative looks at this and can only be reminded of the repression under the Soviet Union. Cumbrowski, all I can say is, some of us are trying to preserve the ideals the US once stood for. We are not all like this.—AL FOCUS! 22:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? Can you say: "Non-sequitor"? --rogerd 23:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Heres more of the same nonsense I see all the time...the radicals want to be able to link to whatever they want whenever they want, no matter what harm it might do to their associates and if you don't let them do this, you'll be labelled a censor, a Nazi or some ridiculous comparative innuendo is made involving some other repressive regime.--MONGO 04:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Except that you are, consciously or not, representing America, MONGO. That is what is so intriguing about it. Everything about your notability or notoriety here, from the National Park articles to the 9-11 controversies, including the policy disputes re: "attack sites," is just so emblematic of the character of the US at this moment. You could run for President, or governor or something, and stand a reasonable chance of winning, because there are so many people in the US who are like you or would support your basic platform over what would seem less clear alternatives. All Fred Thompson has to do to win the Republican nomination is basically study and emulate your editing style.—AL FOCUS! 06:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * WOW..I like that idea!!!!! PRESIDENT MONGO ...maybe my platform could be something like....vote for me, or I'll shove a MOAB up yer keister. Come on man...what on earth are you talking about!???--MONGO 06:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Conceptual metaphor, Embodied philosophy: I don't buy a lot of it myself, basically because it puts the "map" before the territory, but it is fun to apply here and there. Your contribution schema metaphorically "maps" US territorial assets or interests, so per the theory (here's the rub) you can be said to "embody" them. Apologies if I have offended.—AL FOCUS! 07:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's okay...I've hired an exploratory team to investigate my chances on a Presidential bid. I did get your point, and wasn't offended in the least. 9/11 happened to the world, not just the U.S. though.--MONGO 09:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * MONGO for prez?! Now I know it's evil and all but I'd !vote! for that.--Alf <sup style="color:green;">melmac 09:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's one vote! I just need another 60-70 million and I'll be a shoe in.--MONGO 10:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hire me to be your campaign manager. With any luck, we'd split the Republican vote right in half.—AL FOCUS! 10:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

(restore indent) Mongo, I did not compare anything with any regime. I explained to you my background and personal experiences (and not some stuff I saw on TV or read in a book) and that this experience made me much more sensitive when it comes to certain things. A sensibility you can not have, if you never made the personal experience yourself. I also wanted to make you aware of something you have and should treasure rather than take for granted. Attitutes like that turned the most progressive democracy on the planet to the worst monster the world has seen to date. I am speaking of the internal destruction of the Weimar Republic and the Nazi Regime that followed. So, that was a comparison as you mentioned earlier. I wanted to make sure that your statement is correct. I provided you with advice against this so called "attack site". If it causes the damage you claim it does, it would be taken down officially faster than you might think. It seems to me that you confuse "harming people" with "don't like" or "don't agree with it" and then turn your point of view into a "neutral point of view" by force. Just to make you aware of it, this page contains more references to Wikitruth.info and reasons why people maybe should check it out than my little link in the middle of all that is good about Wikipedia. I think you didn't do yourself very much of a favor. I did not reverted the edits of my userpage by your friends-in-mind, because it would be pointless and cause more collateral damage than it is worth. "Enjoy" the fruits of your labor. --roy&lt;sac&gt; <b style="color:red;">Talk!</b> .oOo. 16:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thread closed as required by Godwin's Law. Thanks to all for participating. Raymond Arritt 17:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah...no kidding!--MONGO 17:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is something really Hitlerian about the way this thread was closed.--Mantanmoreland 18:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Fighting oppression is an American specialty. If you really believe MONGO represents America, then you should simply defer to his obviously superior Opression Fighting Skills (OFS). --Tbeatty 05:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

For the future
I like working on collabs so I've made a bit of a standing list here as a subpage of my userpage, just in case one comes up to collaborate on in the future if you think I'll like it too. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll see what comes next...and will watch a few of those articles to see if any collaboration commences. I'll probably only be available for copyediting in the near future though as I am about to get busy on another article that needs inline cites and should be featured. Thanks for the links--MONGO 10:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Copyediting's good as it's not my strong point. I'll mebbe have a look at the glaciers...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There you go, beat you to it with the first inline ref. Dunno where the Vulgar Latin thing comes from as there's plenty of words derived from glacies....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It's been on my back burner simmering for some time. It just needs some tidying and inline cites and maybe more...I hope to recruit a few folks who helped make Retreat of glaciers since 1850...feel free to help out as you have time. I expect to commence on it by the beginning of July, but I'm a bit sidetracked right now.--MONGO 11:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Continued incivility
I find your assertion that I am in anyway enabling trolling and somehow not "acting like an admin" to be yet another example of your continued incivility. Last I checked, giving advice to a user who is being ignored is not aiding a troll. Reign it in a bit; not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Not everyone who questions your behavior is harassing you. -  auburn pilot  talk  05:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe, thanks for your reminding me to be civil while you call me thin skinned(nice edit summary). Be an admin...recommend to this troll go write an encyclopedia and stop looking for a reason to get into a fight with me over nothing. Yes, start acting like an admin, now please.--MONGO 05:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, another nice edit summary...Mongo strikes again. I question your behavior as an admin with these kinds of incivil edit summaries.--MONGO 05:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * When I abuse my ability to block, unblock, delete, undelete, protect or unprotect, then you may question my behavior as an admin. You were once an admin, so I assume you realize the difference and that being an admin doesn't make me any better or worse; I'm an editor first. My apologies if you were offended by those edit summaries, as nothing was meant by them. All this BS could have been avoided by you simply responding to Doctor11. That's it. -  auburn pilot  talk  05:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh...all this bullshit is because of Doctor11...let me know when you figure that out. You are completely wrong about adminship...no admin should encourage trolls to harass our editors. Had you told him when I asked you the first time, to go write an encyclopedia and to stop harassing me over NOTHING, we wouldn't be here, you and I arguing over NOTHING. If you can't admit you were wrong to support his trolling, I can't help you.--MONGO 05:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's funny how two people can view the exact same sequence of events and come out with such completely different accounts of what happened. I think you were being uncivil and dismissive, you think I was enabling trolling. You think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong. I see this as staring with your refusal to respond to an editor's concerns, you think it started when I didn't take your advice and tell Doctor11 to "buzz off". The only thing we agree on: I can't help you and you can't help me. In other words, there's no reason to further this discussion as it will never get anywhere. Happy editing, -  auburn pilot   talk  05:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I asked you here to do something, and you did the opposite. Best wishes.--MONGO 06:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I blocked the sock
I have indefblocked Doctor11 as a sock of banned user:Asucena per CheckUser evidence. Bishonen | talk 08:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC).
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank thee fair maiden...you're like...well...the absolute best.--MONGO 08:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. Tell that to Dmcdevit. ;-) Bishonen | talk 09:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC).
 * Hum...I'll do that, adjusting my words slightly.--MONGO 09:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Accusation
I have one thing to say about your accusation of me being a sockpuppet, and that is WHAT THE FUCK??? I am not whoever the fuck this EndoExo character link is. I did a little investigating, and I found a checkuser case about me. Look, I noticed that Zucchini Marie was a banned sock of EndoExo, and I AM SUPER. I AM CRAZY. I AM SUPER CRAZY! mentioned him/herself as a banned sockpuppet of Zucchini Marie, who was banned for being EndoExo. So, I assumed that I AM SUPER. I AM CRAZY. I AM SUPER CRAZY! was EndoExo. How does that automatically make me a sockpuppet? I reverted your edit. If you want to revert it back, please explain why. Thank you. Hanoi Girl → Please sign! 17:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

EndoExo socks
hey MONGO, enjoying the weekend. Well, it seems there has been a nice can of worms opened yet again by our #1 favorite Wikistalker. Anyways, I have belief that the account User:SusannaBanana is being used to stalk me, and I have lots of evidence to link her to SweetCarmen, so is there an area where teh current thing is being discussed, but I would really like to present my testimony to hopefully end this yet again. if you can show me it will be well appreciated. Cheers! Karrmann 19:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I reached the conclusion independently and showed it to a few admins who agreed. SusannaBanana is now blocked so we'll just have to wait and see what the next sock is.--MONGO 03:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

State terrorism by United States of America
Do you know why this was moved away from Allegations of state terrorism by United States of America? Even the Israeli apartheid article is at Allegations of Israeli apartheid. The old title was far more npov. --MichaelLinnear 21:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi...I never supported the move, but I guess after teh afd for the article we'll have reach a consensus to move it back. The U.S. is hardly a perfect country, but no internationally recognized governing body has ever declared that the U.S. has either engaged in state sponsored terrorism or has performed such acts themselves. If the U.S. ever did terrorism, it was to the native Americans...indeed, if that was all the article was about, I would probably concur that the U.S. did act in a terroristic fashion to the Native Americans.--MONGO 22:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of it seems to be pretty strong historical revisionism too. --MichaelLinnear 22:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree.--MONGO 04:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I prefer the old title too. When and why was it changed? ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 09:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure...I'd have to check the editng history as it was a long time ago now, at least by Wiki standards.--MONGO 17:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the first name change happened here. JungleCat    Shiny! / Oohhh!  23:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR
Thanks for reporting, I do not mind the break, seems you are taking that AfD a little too hard, but win some, lose some. --SixOfDiamonds 13:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If the article is kept based on comments such as the ones you have made and others like "Don't be stupid", it's Wikipedias loss not mine. I make it routine to fight to eliminate soapboxing and articles full of POV pushing nonsense.--MONGO 13:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean they could instead keep it on the basis of WP:SYNTH WP:POV WP:NPOV WP:XYZ. Such valid arguments that those claiming them cannot cite examples. --SixOfDiamonds 13:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats unlikely. Why would they rationalize a keep decision based on a violation of SYNTH, POV, NPOV violations? Your strawman argument that we need to find sources that claim that the U.S. is not a sponsor of terrorism is childish at best.--MONGO 13:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

User:SixOfDiamonds
Is this someone's sock, by any chance, a banned user? The Evil Spartan 17:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't determined it yet, but I suspect it might be likely. Initial edits don't indicate this is a new editor and there is no doubt SixOfDiamonds has an agenda.--MONGO 19:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Requests for checkuser/Case/SixOfDiamonds. The Evil Spartan 17:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Um..I left a note there too. Not sure who he/she was before the creation of the SixOfDiamonds account.--MONGO 20:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Elk
I'm so pleased to see Elk recognized as a featured article. Congratulations! Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Walt...but as is true with all the featured articles I have worked on, without the help of others, especially with my prose, and without the excellent suggestions offered by a number of people who contribute their time to the reviewing process, none of these articles would be featured. I'm putting the article Glacier on hold for now since I want to greatly expand Yellowstone Fire of 1988.--MONGO 21:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on this MONGO. I kept meaning to come back and re-support after Raul restarted the nom, but it seems that wasn't needed to get it through. Marskell 08:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, thank you! I really appreciate the time editors like yourself spend at FAC and elsewhere, making helpful suggestions and even editing. Without contributors such as you, articles such as Elk would never make to FA.--MONGO 08:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * *Sniffles and wipes eyes.* If you have a minute, you might look at Bobcat, which is up at FAC. (Don't worry, they can't take an Elk down!) Marskell 14:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I will add a comment later tonight.--MONGO 14:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, MONGO, and I must apologise. I meant to support, and only realised when I saw this thread on your talk page that it had slipped my mind. Lovely article. ElinorD (talk) 23:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Much appreciated.--MONGO 05:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And thanks for the support on Bobcat. If you want to work on another mammal, be sure to let me know. Marskell 10:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll do that...does Bigfoot count?--MONGO 12:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Species listed in canonical alpha taxonomy sources are what count. Oh my God. Why does Bigfoot say "Sub grouping: Hominid" and "Last sighted: Present Day"? This is absolutely irresponsible. Now here I'm about to go and get myself in an argument, but that infobox is outta here dude! Marskell 07:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)