User talk:MONGO/Archive29

Admin?
MONGO - No, indeed I am not an Admin but have no reservations about being nominated as one. I appreciate the gesture and will accept the nomination and address the RFA issues to the best of my ability once the page is set up. Thanks for the confidence.--Mike Cline (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * PS. The Birds of YNP article came out nicely, but not in one edit, lots of sandbox work on that one.--Mike Cline (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay...I'll work on your nomination as soon as you're ready...I can send you a link...it's been awhile since I nominated anyone and I imagine they have changed the formatting, etc....--MONGO 00:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Quick reference for myself.......most edits to: Bibliography of fly fishing




 * I posted a draft of answers to RFA here. Thanks again for the confidence. --Mike Cline (talk) 16:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question re Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
How is this page used by Administrators? It's clear how editors can use this board to bring to light significant user issues requiring Admin attention, but how is that attention divided up by Admins. It is first-come, first-serve or is there some other mechanism that provides a bit more structure to assign specific admins deal with a particular incident. That part is not clear to me from reviewing the page. At your conveinence, Thanks--Mike Cline (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for your RfA Nomination and Support
User: - Thanks for the nomination and support in my recent successful RfA. Your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.

So much for the boilerplate thanks. I feel like I just got married (actually that was about 38 years ago in May) and spent the last 90 minutes sending out thank you notes to 94 guests. Now it time to get back to work on Glacier and Yellowstone. I will rely on you for Admin advice when I think I need it and don't hesitate to Mirandize me if needed. Thanks again for the confidence. --Mike Cline (talk) 10:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Mountains in Glacier ready for your stubs
I just completed the creation of the initial cut of Mountains and mountain ranges in Glacier National Park (U.S.). It still needs some sorting out to make sure I've got the right peaks associated with the right ranges, but it should give you a good tool to begin systematically building the stubs.--Mike Cline (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Glaciers in Glacier ready for your stubs
I just completed the creation of the initial cut of Glaciers in Glacier National Park (U.S.). It still needs some sorting out to make sure we get all the correct names in the Active section, but it should give you a good tool to begin systematically building the stubs.--Mike Cline (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Rfa's

 * Mike Cline
 * Doug Bell
 * Gator1
 * Rogerd
 * Tom harrison
 * Nae'blis

Request for comments on user essay
MONGO - I’ve just completed drafting my first WP essay in my user space: Creating A Better List. As of yet it is not linked anywhere except through the template. My ultimate objective is to move this essay to the project space, but at this point, that is premature without some feedback from fellow editors. As such I would appreciate your opinion on the essay, especially on two points. 1) Have I made any statements contradictory to WP policy or guidelines? 2) Are there additional examples that could be included to demonstrate my points more effectively?

Thanks in advance for your review and feel free to make any editorial changes you think would enhance the essay. Please provide comments here, as I am asking several editors to comment and would like to keep them all in the same place.--Mike Cline (talk) 00:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded as requested.--MONGO 02:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Article circumscription
Here's an interesting one -I picked up Illegal logging in Madagascar to review at GAN, but then paused to wonder at the scope. Is it too narrow or is the circumscription a good one? What do you reckon...?Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I read the article last night and it is pretty expansive. It seems to be one sided, though that may very well be the way things are there. It needs to stay away from advocacy, such as the repeated, though probably true, accusations of bribery, forest baron issues and other related things and stick as much as possible with impacts, trends and what lies ahead...unless it can be referenced, it needs to stay away from what needs to be done, but perhaps emphasize what has been done and what is planned to be done to reduce this madness. I dunno if this helps you.--MONGO 01:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No no, all good. Those themes have concerned other editors. Question is, do you think the scope of the article should then be broadened? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's going to do as I suggest, which is to better explain via referenced material what can be done to stop this problem, then the scope would need to be broadened...but that is a slippery slope back towards advocacy that needs to be avoided...I also noticed references 2 and 10 have been used a lot, but that is understandable since those are longish sources...I'll spend a little more time this weekend looking this over.--MONGO 11:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think e've now opened a can of worms with this one....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish I could donate more time to this issue, but have too little time to do so...briefly reading over the issues, looks like you have some pretty insightful contributors to the discussion...for the record, I believe that deforestation is an issue that would make for a huge article in itself if one examined in detail the mismangagement going on in numerous countries with their forests.--MONGO 15:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no-one is arguing that about the parent article - mainly some of the daughter ones. No easy answers though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Where's my mentor?
Out of sight, but not out of mind. Quick question: Are you aware of a source that has some reasonable data on the waterfalls in Glacier? Am working on that list right now and have all the geo data, but can't seem to find anything relative to the heights (except one or two) of the various waterfalls.--Mike Cline (talk) 22:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I found WaterfallsWest.com but would really like to rely on something more official.--Mike Cline (talk) 23:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Mike..work has been tying me up..that happens from time to time...will look over things this evening.--MONGO 01:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

From your list of wateralls, the image you have is the lower falls of the Yellowstone, not in Glacier...I figure you knew that and had it there as a placeholder...I'm still googling to see if their is a list..the NPS website for the park has nothing..I found that (maybe) the tallest waterfall is Beaver Chief Falls (also know as Diamond Falls) off Lake Ellen Wilson at 1,291 feet high and 150 feet wide...hum...I never heard of them and I used to work there...found at the World Waterfall Database......another is Harrison Basin Falls...2320 feet but that is tiered (so is Beaver Chief Falls though)...looks like that database counts the entire fall distance, perhaps not taking into account horizontal distance too well...some of these falls may be intermittent as well, seasonal, especially ones off glaciers.--MONGO 02:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I had a similar problem with trying to stub articles about every glacier I could find in the Wind River Range...I had to use Google Earth to locate the glaciers and then look at topoquest and other online topo map sources to see if there was any associated names to go along with the glaciers...perhaps searching topos might help generate a list, but unless more data can be found online or in books somewhere, all we'll have is the name and perhaps geocoordinates...little more and perhaps no references even.--MONGO 02:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

New List of Glacier National Park (U.S.) related articles
Just moved this one into the article space. Should give us a good outline for expanding the right subject areas.--Mike Cline (talk) 20:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you...that looks fine. I kind of feel guilty in that you went and started a major organizational effort on Glacier NP article and I haven't had much spare time to devote to the issue...I shall try and set aside more time to dedicate to this.--MONGO 16:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was pretty much trained to Lead, Follow or get the hell out of the way.  Even, though I've been traveling alot, I've had time to Lead on this and have really enjoyed digging into the Glacier subject.  Now I have to find time to get up there this summer.--Mike Cline (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do that...I worked there for three seasons and visited there many times in my youth. Best time is late summer early fall after the crowds die off, but service are greatly cut back after Labor Day. The rivers southwest of the park offer the best fly fishing in the region, most streams in the park are below Yellowstone region in overall fly fishing (something I never mastered) quality. Whatever you do, make sure to set aside time to get to the far northwestern section of the park...little visited and sublime around Bowman Lake.--MONGO 17:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for watching. There have been a lot of changes to the template. Most are not obvious to anyone who does not edit.&ensp;– droll  &#91;chat&#93;  00:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks :)
Hi, Mongo, I was pleasantly surprised you supported my FPC. Thank you. May I please ask you to take a look here? :) Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was tracking your edits and saw those images...I rarely voice an opinion on images since I am hardly an expert on such things, but I was impressed enough to support a promotion. I am surprised that someone would think that since you gave me a barnstar several years ago that my vote should be questioned...only other thing I can see is that my vote was my first edit in 18 hours plus......perhaps that made that user think I had been canvassed.--MONGO 03:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I believe, the user thought about canvasing because you review FP images so seldom, practically never. So, you are keeping an eye on me :) I did not know that. Now I really should think twice before getting into troubles as I got today. Today was really something, first I replaced my own image of a spray bow with another my own image of a spray bow in rainbow. The user, who reverted my edit put edit summary "rvv". Oh well... Then of course was that accusation in "canvasing", then I was reminded to stop PA, and in between of all of that an admin told me (and probably rightly so) don't reinstate this, or you will be blocked.". If you add to that that I was advised "to grow up" and got a lesson about Wikipedia policies, you will get the picture :) But from now on everything is going to change. If you are watching my contributions, Mongo, I really should behave. I have so much respect for you that I'll be ashamed of myself, if I do not. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt that my history is anything to emulate! I just was curious about what you were up to..I check on others contributions from time to time but rarely track anyone's day in and day out editing history. About all I can say is that the written word is the worse form of communication, and many troubles we have on Wikipedia are due oftentimes ot misunderstandings due to the limitations of effective communication via talk pages. Best wishes!--MONGO 02:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Glacier NP as article of the day on May 11?
Hi, the German language article got approved as "exzellent" (~featured) yesterday and will be article of the day at the German Wikipedia on the 100th anniversary of the dedication. About a year ago we talked about plans to have your article in the same spot of the English Wikipedia at the same day. I'm not familiar with the procedures here, but will you move this forward early enough to make it happen? --h-stt !?  09:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I did speak with our FA of the day coordinator a month ago and he reminded me that we don't "nominate" anything until one month prior to the date requested...so I intend to nominate the English version on April 11. In preparation for this, a few of us have already started doing a few upgrades on that article and if you read a few of the threads on my talk page above this one, you'll see Mike Cline has created a few pages that help list related articles and I have started stubbing out a number of blank areas...I hope to put this into a higher gear over the next month...thanks again for the info and reminder.--MONGO 04:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for planning ahead. On de-WP we have articles of the day listed years ahead in some cases of big anniversaries. And yes, I noticed the lists by Mike Cline and the amazing work he, you and some others did to cover the park. Glacier is great and worth a lot of efforts. --h-stt !?  12:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

New Glacier References Article
MONGO - Just put up a new Glacier article: List of Glacier National Park (U.S.) references. If there are any major references missing, let me know an I'll get them added. Am on the road in Canada--on the way to Yellowknife so I'll have to wait till I get home in a couple of weeks to finish up some of the in-line cites to bibliographies. Hope to have the list of Lakes done by the time I finish this trip.--Mike Cline (talk) 14:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just added a few articles and please take a look at the talk page, because I suggested an amazing book there, that you should add. Unfortunately I could not fit it into the chapters of the list, so you have to decide. --h-stt !?  15:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yellowknife...wow. Anyway, sure this is a fine start and already pretty comprehensive...thanks.--MONGO 11:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Video Podcasts on Glacier NP
While I'm here: please take a look at:
 * File:Glac geology.ogg - Glacier National Park, Montana, USA - NPS podcast on the geology of the park, runtime 2:42 mins
 * File:Glac GlaciersandClimateChange.ogg - Glacier National Park, Montana, USA - NPS podcast on the glaciers and climate change in the park, runtime 3:13 mins

Do you think one or both of the videos would fit into the article? --h-stt !?  15:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally, I think that these sorts of things may be best linked to via a subsection near the end of the article under a Media subheading...however, I think the second one which has Dan Fagre discussing the glaciers may fit well into the section that is already in the article...I'm of the thinking that an entire article can be branched off regarding the glaciers there but still want to not over emphasize this discussion in the main article since the park itself is much more than just the story of the vanishing glaciers. Thanks for linking those...I'll looking into what best to do with them this evening.--MONGO 11:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of useful stuff for a spin-off article on glaciers retreat in Glacier NP if you look through the category on Commons. We have the podcast, the series of images of Grinnell glacier, the animated model of the shift of climate zones, and the like. At de-WP we usually are very careful with spin-off articles but here this would of course fit very well. --h-stt !?  09:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Croissant history
Why was ALL the croissant history reverted out in this edit? Revision as of 00:14, 17 March 2010 (edit)MONGO (talk | contribs) ??69.228.40.2 (talk) 06:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Golly, you must mean my reversion of this vandalism?--MONGO 11:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Glacier National Park TFA
Hi Mongo, thanks for the nomination. By my count, the article has eight points at least (two age, six centennial) which under the rules means it can't be nominated until there are 20 days or less left. So you should be good to nominate on April 21. Can I suggest that you clean up the citation needed tags in the article? Those have been objected to at TFA/R before. Good luck!--Wehwalt (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)--Wehwalt (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, that's a really great lead image. Just keep watching the TFA/R and watch for the dates it says articles with 5 or more points can nominate.  Shouldn't be any trouble.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey..thanks..I will surely put it back up in 10 days and work, as you pointed out, on making some adjustments to improve the quality. Best wishes.--MONGO 21:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Templating below...others can disregard...

 Glacier National Park (U.S.) is located in the U.S. state of Montana, bordering the Canadian provinces of Alberta and British Columbia. The park encompasses over 1000000 acre and includes parts of two mountain ranges (sub-ranges of the Rocky Mountains), over 130 named lakes, more than 1,000 different species of plants and hundreds of species of animals. This vast pristine ecosystem is the centerpiece of what has been referred to as the "Crown of the Continent Ecosystem", a region of protected land encompassing 16000 mi2. The mountains of Glacier National Park began forming 170 million years ago when ancient rocks were forced eastward up and over much younger rock strata. Known as the Lewis Overthrust, these sedimentary rocks are considered to have some of the finest fossilized examples of extremely early life found anywhere on Earth. Of the estimated 150 glaciers which existed in the park in the mid 1800s, only 25 active glaciers remained by 2010. Glacier National Park borders Waterton Lakes National Park in Canada—the two parks are known as the Waterton-Glacier International Peace Park, and were designated as the world's first International Peace Park in 1932. Both parks were designated by the United Nations as Biosphere Reserves in 1976, and in 1995 as World Heritage sites.

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 * I've put it back. You were right, May 11 was a valid date.  I had forgotten Raul has worked ahead about ten days.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the blurb needs to say the park is 100 years old on May 11, 2010. No problem...I'll comment at the page...--MONGO 23:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mongo, you've got my full support when you renominate. Let me know if there is anything I need to do to help.  Thanks--Mike Cline (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

A Glacier related change made to Going To The Sun Mountain
Mongo, I just finished reading The Life and Times of James Willard Schultz, Hanna, 1986. Schultz played a big role in exposing Glacier to the reading public and was responsible for naming a lot of Glacier's features, yet the Glacier article doesn't seem to reference him at all (He was Grinnell's guide for all Grinnell's early trips). I've been working on Schultz's article and added his naming of Going-to-the-Sun Mountain. Just thought I'd let you know what I've been up too.--Mike Cline (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Odd I had never heard of him...I can't see why he can't get an honorable mention at least. I sure appreciate all you have been doing to add to Montana and Glacier NP related articles. I'm nearing completion of updating the Glacier NP refs and will then hope it is deemed worth to be mainpaged on May 11, 2010.--MONGO 02:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Perfect - exactly the kind of reference to Schultz that was needed.--Mike Cline (talk) 02:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good...I have to still expand and finish the cites needed and double check existing refs and update the dates in the Geology and Glacier sections of the article...everything else has been done already as I started at the top, then went up from the bottom, levaing the most interesting part of the article last..only I am short on time until Saturday..if you wish to assist in those sections feel free to do so...I then have to run the article through a spell checkerto double check the text, etc....but almost done...it is hard to imagine where I would get the time now to bring any article to featured level from scratch..least in this case all I had to do was expand and update refs and do some minor material changes.--MONGO 03:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mike...I have the last paragraph in the Geology section as well as the Glacier section and the refs will be done...be back in one to two days...by Friday for sure.--MONGO 03:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

wp:npa
According to MarnetteD, he removed the template because a discussion was not started. Can you explain this?174.3.123.220 (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA have traditionally been considered to be different in scope...recommend you start a discussion on the merge at one or both talkpages to gain feedback before templating a policy page.--MONGO 02:21, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have. It is policy to add these templates on for a prosposed merge.  I'll give you the links.    174.3.123.220 (talk) 02:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Its not gaining much feedback...I imagine that merging these policies will be difficult...I'd "vote" against it.--MONGO 02:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

September 11 attacks GA review
September 11 attacks has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Laurent (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

FAR of Mount Rushmore
nominated Mount Rushmore for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 22:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * IN progress...--MONGO 05:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)