User talk:MPinchuk (WMF) (usurped)/Archive 1

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Hindi Wiki
Hello, I can provide any info about hindi wikipedia, Let me know what type of information is required.We will surely help you.Thank you--Mayur (talk) 03:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
At hi:User Talk:Siddhartha Ghai --Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Huggle
Hi, huggle on pt.wiki really needs to improve. To be honest, I can't say right now if we have some problem with warnings there, but comparing with en.wiki, our work seems to be more difficult on pt.wiki; how could I help you? --Lucas Nunes (talk) 17:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In this moment, there are not so many active hugglers on pt.wiki, but I think you can talk to Francisco Leandro and Vitor Mazuco, they are the most active I know. Regards. --Lucas Nunes (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

re: your message
Hi Maryana, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek. 69  talk  01:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

re deltion-warning template images
Yes, regarding the templates, I went on to run a centralized discussion here: (with postings at other places pointing to it) followed immediately below by an RfC (Template talk:AfD-notice). I think the result of all that was no consensus to make a change, pretty close to even but with maybe a small majority happy with the icons as they are now.

There was also a discussion somewhere... on the Village Pump, based on an idea by Robert Horning, about removing the ability of Twinkle to make deletion nominations. (Huggle too I guess, I don't know Huggle or how it works). The idea being it shouldn't be too easy to nominate stuff for deletion. I doubt that this would gain much traction, though.

Anyway; yes, sure, data is good. I'd be glad to help with research. What shall I do? Herostratus (talk) 03:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, happy to hear you're interested!


 * With Huggle (which doesn't deliver deletion notifications, only warnings), we just needed to get the permission of a developer to change the templates, and Addshore was kind enough to oblige. With Twinkle, the protocol is a bit murkier. How about we start small – I can draft some test templates and put them up on the wiki, and you and anyone else you think might be interested (Bsherr? Protonk? Anybody else who was in favor of changing the images in that RfC?) can tinker with them until we strike a non-bitey, encouraging note that everyone's happy with. I can also write up a brief summary of our WMF summer research work on templates and why I think we should test a new version of deletion notices. Then maybe we can drop a link on the Twinkle talk page and a few other discussion spaces to get feedback. And then maybe RfC... Sound good?


 * I should be able to write up something by Tuesday, and by then we'll hopefully also have some preliminary results from our current round of A/B testing, which will help inform other template improvement projects. In the meantime, it would be great if you could let me know who else might be interested in working on this, so I can get in touch with them – or you can, if you think getting a talk page message from a ___ (WMF) username is too creepy :)


 * Looking forward to working with you on this! I think this time around we might be able to get somewhere :) --Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Herostratus (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Huggle experiment
Hi Maryana!

Yes, i can help to rewrite the templates for portuguese. I use so much the Huggle, and i think this new experience will help wiki-pt and others wikis. Thank you for your invitation! Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 19:51, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Thank you for offering to help! :)


 * You can take a look at our redesigned templates here: Uw-vandal-rand1. That's the randomizer we used to send out 3 different messages: the default, a more personalized message, and a personalized one with no directives (i.e., no telling the person to go read policy pages). This was just for the level one vandalism warning; right now we're working on all the level ones (test, blanking, NPOV, etc.), but you'd probably just want to start with vandalism for now.


 * Steven and I are going to create a Meta page for this project, but in the meantime feel free to draft some new templates in your user space on en or pt.wiki if you feel like it, and let us know if you need any help. Also, it might be a good idea to post something to the pt.wiki Village pump and/or Huggle talk page, too, so they're not surprised :) This was the notice we left on the en.wiki VPT the first time we ran the experiment.


 * Thanks again for your help! I'm really excited to see the results from pt.wiki! –Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I should say: you're welcome to use our template redesigns for inspiration, but you certainly don't have to copy them. You should feel free to rewrite them in Portuguese however you want! :) The general idea was just to make them much more personal and informal, so express that however you think works best. –Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do this and will also create and communicate this to the staff of pt-wiki that uses Huggles, we will make those improvements that you is making this important tool.

I start with translations at least.

Thanks! Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks for your fast response! Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything. –Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I think that i don't have doubt, if apper i've ask to you ok? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 22:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting here and when finished i will communicate for the others huggle users. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 23:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Huggle experiment
Hi Maryana, i just finished to translate here. Is necessary to redesigned this templates too? Thanks! Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 17:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No, that's an old version of the randomizer. You don't have to translate it.


 * Your translations look good! You should get feedback on them from some pt Wikipedians – I can't help much in that department, unfortunately :) Go ahead and create the three different templates, and I can help you add tracking templates to them, so we can easily get a list of everyone who gets each different one. On en.wiki, they use Template Z for this – is there something like this on pt.wiki? If not, no big deal, it's easy to make :)


 * Have you talked to the pt Hugglers? Are they okay with running the experiment? I just want to make sure the community is okay with it before we start the test. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * PS: We made documentation/project pages at WikiProject User warnings and on Meta – you should add your name to the list of members! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I thing this Template Z is this? Or this? I have already talked with othres pt Hugglers, and i have to wait if everyone support this new masseges. But i belive that will happen all ok. I just add my name in the list os members. See you. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No, that's the Huggle config page, which you'll have to change once we have the templates ready.


 * The Z template is a hidden template that you can include in normal templates. It's just a cool trick that lets you track who got which warning. For example, when we did our Huggle experiment with the three templates – default, personal, and no directives – we included three hidden z templates in each one:, , and . They don't show up in the message, but when you go to the z57 template page and click "what links here," you get a list of all the talk pages where that template was placed. And from there you can see what the person got warned for, whether they responded to the Huggler, and whether they kept editing. Does that make sense? :)


 * Here's what the z template looks like on en.wiki, and here's the documentation. Creating the template is easy (because it's just a blank template), but we'll also have to create and translate the documentation page. The nice thing is, once you have these z templates, you'll be able to use them in any other template experiments on pt.wiki!


 * So, do you think you can give it a shot? It might be easiest just to copy the English over to the template namespace on pt and then translate the instructions (and, again, you don't have to translate word for word, as long as you explain what it is and what it does). This is the hardest part, I promise! After that, it's just changing a few lines of code on the Huggle config page and watching the magic happen :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, i'll do it. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was trying to help out, but Salebot reverted me! :-P Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

This Salebot is a problem sometimes, but you can continue help. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 20:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes I did. Now it's easier, but I have to translate everything yet. I will se if is possibile this weekend I can do everything. Right? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 20:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be awesome. Thank you so much for all your hard work! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course she can help me. I'm gonig to be very grateful. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 22:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I have just finished, but is necessary to check if there are any mistake in my tranlate or the meanings. Now, i will contact with others huggle users for we start the changes. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 23:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! Thanks for being so quick. Please let me know what the other Hugglers say (they can come talk to me, too, if they want!) and maybe we can aim to start the test on Monday? If everybody's happy, of course :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I hope so! And I just asked for the principals user, and created a discution here. I think if you and others user WMF will participate, can help us(wiki-pt users) so much. Thanks! Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 23:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

RfA graph
Hi Maryana. Could you mail  me so  that  I  can send you  the XL. Thanks --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:29, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Huggle
Hi Maryana, i started today the disscution here and here 7 days ago. I think you can start with this new changes because nobody said no. But i don't know how can i start, or will you do? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 20:37, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it's easy :)


 * Move all the templates (Uw-vandal-rand1, Uw-vandal-rand1/default, Uw-vandal-rand1/personal, Uw-vandal-rand1/nodirectives, Z number doc) from your userspace to the template space.
 * Create, , with:
 * Go to the Huggle config page and right under the "expand-report:true" line, change this:


 * warning1: $1


 * to this:


 * warning1:

That's it! I can do it if it's confusing, but maybe you'd like to, so you can teach other people next time you want to run a test :) Just let me know what you prefer! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I can move all the templates but the rest I prefer that another user do it. Can be? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can do the rest. I just hope Salebot doesn't revert me again :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Done and don't worry about the Salebot, because this bot can't revert you again. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He did it again! Bad bot >:[ Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Reverted Is better i look if this bot appear again. I think the problem you are new user in wiki-pt, and the Salebot reverses all suspicion edits. But keep your work that i keep look you there ok? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for protecting me from the bot!


 * I finished everything except the config page. Can you just double-check that the wording of the templates here, here, and here matches the documentation here? I want to be sure everything is right before I hit go! Thanks so much :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, changed the config page. Try some Huggling and see what happens :) Let me know if there are any problems! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, now is all right. I saw here the new masseges using Huggle. If appear any problems I will say for you. Thanks. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 12:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Z number templates
Glad to see someone other than myself making use of the template. I thought it would be higher use than it has been so far. I think maybe, despite my attempt to be very clear in the instructions, it poses a bit of a technical barrier for some.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Were these your invention? They're so great! In fact, I just worked with a member of the Portuguese Wikipedia to get them onto pt.wiki :)


 * It did take me a bit to grok how to use them, so I'd definitely support taking a stab at streamlining the instructions (especially if they're going to be translated in other wikis). Let me know if you'd like some help/feedback. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad you're finding them useful! I really do think the instructions are quite clear. What I really need to do is advertise them better. The only place I listed them is at Substitution.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Bot task
Hi, could you review User:Petrb/Proposed_bot_task_iptalk and update it, in case that there is more to do for a bot. Thanks Petrb (talk) 13:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Personal RfC on Shared IP archiving
Hiya. I have responded to your message on my talk page. I'm only 1/2 awake right now so I best not post anything at the village pump just yet. fgt c 02:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Reaper Eternal
I saw you left a message for Reaper. He doesn't appear to have been on since September 22. Don't know if he's taking a Wikibreak or what the reasoning is, but I wouldn't expect a response from him any time soon. Calabe1992 22:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Aw, that's a shame. Might be a school starting up again kind of thing :) Well, thanks for the heads up and hope he returns! (Oh, and if you're interested in Feedback Dashboard, feel free to sign up!) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback dashboard
I had no idea I had responded to anything on the feedback dashboard, or that it existed. Where might I see whose comment I accidently dealt with? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that! You must've just left a helpful comment on the talk page of a newbie who had asked a question using the Feedback Dashboard. We looked through the newbie talk pages for helpful responders – that's how you ended up on my spam list :) No worries, you're not under any obligation to use Feedback Dashboard, but if you're interested in patrolling the queue, please do feel free to sign up! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Drmies (talk) 00:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback dashboard shows newbies being bitten
Hi,

This is a situation I see fairly frequently.

An editor was blocked indefinitely after making one edit in his sandbox and one article creation.

He had never received a "Welcome" template and probably did not know the rules about advertising etc. He responded to the Feedback dashboard

This doesn't seem to me a way to welcome new editors. How should a situation like this be handled?

Are there rules regarding Admins indefinitely blocking a new user after one main space edit? The new edit probably has no clue how to contest the indefinite block.

Best wishes, KennethSides (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi KennethSides,


 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I see that Steven Walling responded to you on WT:New editor feedback. We should probably figure out a good system for reporting these kinds of issues – WT:New editor feedback is okay, but maybe there should be a separate space. I'm thinking this should be something watched by mixed-level contributors, both those reporting incidents and those who could help facilitate if the reporters aren't comfortable intervening. I'll talk more with Steven about this – and if you have good ideas or want to be WP:BOLD and start your own noticeboard/discussion space, feel free :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply! I'm wondering if there should be less emphasis on "Be bold!" advice to new editors. It seems like it is quite easy to get blocked indefinitely, and many of these new editors seem like they are just kids being smart-alecky in a couple of beginning edits, just for larks. Such punitive responses will likely turn away some editors who could mature into good contributors.
 * I like your idea of a noticeboard/discussion space where some of these problems with new editors could be hashed out.
 * I also see from the Feedback Dashboard that many new editors submit a whole, complicated article as their first edit and are really depressed when it gets turned down. The feedback they get seems very automated (is it from a bot?) and not very helpful, leaving them feeling confused. Regards,  KennethSides (talk) 21:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Test AFDs
FYI - I've removed the test AFDs you created earlier from CAT:AFD, so that they don't show up as active debates. I can G7 them when you're done, or just leave them - they're unlogged and unlisted, so no harm in keeping them if an active test is going on. Please revert me if the category was what you were testing. Best, UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

London meet up
see you tomorrow
 * w00t! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Shared Ip template
I'm not sure that the XFF suggestions are right, appropriate or clear. I saw this on a shared IP that was not an ISP proxy. Rich Farmbrough, 03:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC).


 * Link, please? Maryana (WMF) (talk) 09:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * User talk:139.137.244.2 - it's a clinic. Both and  look confusing to me. I would attempt to simplify if you weren't testing. Rich Farmbrough, 14:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC).

Awareness
Haie Maryana,

we talked shortly on sunday in Hannover. While driving home from work I was thinking about the "Template-Project". I can only tell about de-WP, but I do have the impression that it is doing the second step first. I have the impression that there is no awareness about the issue. I dont know if you have any datas about that? What do the current Wikipedians think about new members? Do they think we need more/new ones? IMO: if they are not aware of the issue most of the engergie the foundation is putting into solving it just vanishes. .... Just some thoughts from my side. I would be happy to hear what you or "the foundation" :) thinks/does/knows about that .... Sicherlich Post 20:00, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Sicherlich!


 * Sorry for the delay in responding – I just got back stateside on Sunday and am slowly making my way through work backlog... So, just from the conversations I had in Germany and Austria, I think whether or not de.wiki editors believe that editor retention is a problem, they all acknowledge that there are lots of things that could be improved within the community, and templates are one of them. Everybody complained that the standard set of user warnings on de.wiki are simply too long. We don't have data on how that impacts new editor retention, but we could get it very easily! That's why I'm really interested in running a test to see if very short templates do better at keeping good-faith editors in and bad-faith ones out. Again, whether or not they think it's a problem that new editors are declining, I don't see why any Wikipedian wouldn't want templates that actually work! :)


 * Would you be interested in helping out with this kind of project? We have documentation about our testing approach on Meta and here on en.wiki, but the short version is that it's a very simple change to make on Huggle, and the only thing we'd need help with is proposing the idea to the community and making new templates. Let me know if you'd like to help, or if you know anybody else on de.wiki who does. I'm going to ping Thogo, too, since he also seemed interested in the idea.


 * Anyway, it was great meeting you in Hannover, and I hope to see you again IRL soon! Wikimania in D.C...? :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Professional written software: Money is no problem for we - are the whole world
I copied my answer to you from my german discussion site to yours in english:
 * Dear Maryana,


 * I beg your pardon. I did not find the time to answer just in time - there is so much to do "here" in our world foundation. This morning I got a message (in german, see below) which described nearly the same problem I 've told to you. I answered (also in german) my kind how to solve the problem and what to do for our 7 billion people especially our female better half. No problem to loose top dogs - this will clear space for the very best of us all especially for the professional working guardians of our objects of cultural value. There is no question about the male "greates one" (just perhaps sometimes in the moonshine you know what I mean). Even if party time for the whole live now will finish for the western world: We are owned neither by dictators nor any egoistic billioneers, so - we are greater than the man in the moon. Of course we will become World Heritage Site for we, 7 billion (wo-)men, we are the world. But first we will - thats my projection - not become World Heritage Site by any Wikipedia which only could be a bordered isle but by our global sites like Wikimedia Commons and Wikisources. For that we have to invite our muliplicators:


 * To get better work by more authors of us all I wish for the future (money should be no problem for - we are the whole world):


 * 1) professional written software which (half- ?) automatic asks for the sources of every edit
 * 2) We urgently need WYSIWYG
 * 3) prepared data banks to classify simply all our documents
 * 4) lets programming Augmented reality by professionals for us (wo-)menhood
 * 5) (half- ?) automatic converts of all our (historic) picture files of the menhood to geo-referenced 3D-animations overlayed up to the presence so that we are able to promenade outside throug time(s) and space
 * 6) own search engines especially first over all projects of the Wikimedia Foundation in every languages
 * Welcome to our world, welcome at the beginning of the third millennium, and welcome back in Hanover. Kindly regards --Bernd Schwabe in Hannover 13:11, 26. Nov. 2011 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernd Schwabe in Hannover (talk • contribs) 12:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Ending test
Ok. But i think that new masseges is better. Let's see the results. Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 21:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I just read the Documentation and draft page, and this page, who will do Quant analysis and Qual analysis? Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 09:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Our summer researchers are helping us with the quant stuff, which is pretty easy to run on any wiki, but for qual we obviously need a Portuguese speaker to tell us things like the quality of editor who got warned and what their communication with the Huggler was like. We just did a research project on pt.wiki with the help of a Portuguese researcher, and we might ask her to help us with this if she has time. But if you know anybody from the community who might be interested, let me know. On en.wiki, we've gotten help from a group of volunteers to do this kind of work, which would also be great :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)