User talk:MPinchuk (WMF) (usurped)/Archive 3

Throwing WP:FUW into the shark tank
Just for your information: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=478577136&oldid=478568029] :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice! If the conversation does move toward option one, I'd suggest talking to Carnildo about adding the links in to ImageTaggingBot's warnings. Anyway, good luck consensus-ing! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment
You have been mentioned as someone whose input could be valuable on this. Pinetalk 02:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

PC
Hey! You and Steven and other researchers may be interested in a new proposal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Pending_changes/Let%27s_move Petrb (talk) 12:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Petr. I'll have a look. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

In Answer to Your Questions
Hi LosAngelesWriter,

In November you received a message about either "Nomination for deletion" or "Proposed deletion" of an article you created. I'd like to ask you a few quick questions:

Was the message helpful? Were the instructions clear and easy to follow?

My Answer: Absolutely not. I followed the instructions to avoid deletion and my article was deleted anyways.

If not, how do you think the message could be improved?

My answer: Perhaps if Wikipedia didn't contradict itself so much in the directions or people who deleted articles actually followed the rules, that would be a start.

The most absurd requirement is to "say why this article is notable."

Umm, has anyone looked at Jimmy Wales' Wikipedia page? You will not find the line "this page is notable because..."

I could name numerous other Wikipedia pages as well that never contain the words "this page is notable because..."

What do you think about the deletion process in general?

My Answer: It's clearly fixed so that people who have been here the longest can delete at will, and ignore the very rules they tell others to follow. It's based on subjective whim, not objective facts.

Do you understand how to contest a deletion?

My answer: Yes, but it doesn't matter, an article will be deleted regardless. The "process" is a dog and pony show, much like a "fair trial" in Guantanamo Bay.

As stated above, the article will be deleted even if you follow the "directions." The sad part is the charade pretending that there is actually a fair process. Obviously people who have been here longer are going to delete whatever they don't like.

You can feel free to answer on my talk page or send me your response by email (mpinchuk@wikimedia.org). (I won't quote you or link your answers to your username if you don't feel comfortable with that.)

My answer: PLEASE QUOTE ME!

Your feedback is incredibly useful for improving the content of deletion notifications, so please take a minute to think about and answer these questions. Thank you! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

My answer: I predict my answers will be deleted. I'm saving a screenshot to put this on Reddit.com. =o) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LosAngelesWriter (talk • contribs) 01:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments on AFD process
I saw your comment on my talk page, so I'm posting my answers to your questions here.

''1 Was the message helpful? Were the instructions clear and easy to follow?''

Yes. I was able to read through the Wikipedia policies and guidelines in order to improve my articles when they were up for AFD, and the rules of notability linked in there helped me to argue notability successfully.

2 If not, how do you think the message could be improved?

Maybe stress the notability section more so users can see it better (it's near the bottom of the guidelines page) since that was the primary concern in each of the articles I wrote that were up for deletion.

''3 What do you think about the deletion process in general? Do you understand how to contest a deletion?''

I understand the process, but I think it's abused. Each of the articles I created were marked for deletion almost immediately after I created the article (the latest one, Tasha Harris, was put up for AFD only 6 minutes after I created it!). I don't think this practice should be allowed, as each of my articles were expanded upon and better established notability after the initial entry. I think there should be a rule preventing articles from going into AFD until at least 6 hours after they were created (12 hours would be better, a day would be ideal).

JenniBees (talk) 09:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: What did you think about the deletion notice you received?
Hi Maryana, Thank you for your interest. Which title do you mean? (talk)

Can you answer this?
Can you look at this message and reply? I know what it says via Google Translate. It's a weird place to start, but Oregon does have a strong population, so.. I don't know. tedder (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh. Trolled, you are being... uh.. it. That says "Can I drop a bunch of useless links here? I really need to. If not, you can delete this message." I can tell him/her on user talk that Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of thing, but it seems like a joke to me. Btw, feel free to drop requests like this on my volunteer account talk page. I don't like to use this one to police the wikis... kind of a weird Orwellian vibe to the (WMF) sig :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they replaced stuff on several article pages, I'm considering them a cross-language vandal at this point. Sorry for bothering you. I'll use your volunteer account next time- I completely understand! tedder (talk) 02:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No bother! I feel like a ninja spy when I get to use my Slavic language skills – feel free to make use of them anytime you want :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour
Maryana, je tiens à dénoncer la Wikipedia lusophone. Lusophone Wikipedia administrateurs abusent de leur pouvoir! Billy Lockwood (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Re
He is locked, a sock account attack (Arthur Chevailier) that is blocked globally. If you see the contributions of Arthur only see offense, he is having this behavior the day.Érico Júnior Wouters Talk 23:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, okay. Well, I'm not afraid of socks (or as they say in French, le faux-nez) :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, just came to know. Good contributions.Érico Júnior Wouters Talk 23:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I appreciate it! By the way, are you coming to the two PT meetups we have left (Rio and Natal)? If you can, you should! Sao Paulo and Curitiba were great. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite but ... Porto Alegre is far from Curitiba, and now I have class: (.Érico Júnior Wouters Talk 23:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Notice
Hi, You left a message on my page last month, which I've just seen, so apologies for the delay in replying.

1. The message was helpful, and the instructions very clear and easy to follow. 3. I think it's a very useful way to keep Wikipedia as accurate, clear, sourced and up to date, and helps to keep the wiki running smoothly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skycloud86 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:FUW test results
Hi Maryana, thought I'd keep you updated about this: Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

deletion notice
Was the message helpful? Yes

Were the instructions clear and easy to follow? Yes

''What do you think about the deletion process in general? Do you understand how to contest a deletion?'' My one complaint is that there was not enough time to deal with the concerns before the entry was deleted. I had replied that I would find more English sources but within a day or so the entry was deleted. (However, I was easily permitted to restore the entry with the requisite sources.) Still, I would recommend that if a contributor responds to the deletion notice and says they will address the concerns, he/she should be given a deadline for completing the fixes before the entry is deleted. Aadelse (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC).

End of Welcome test at ptwiki and Mississippi
Maryana we're ready to end the test in ptwiki (only waiting for an admin to change the template actually). What do we need to do to start analyzing the data?

Also, I saw this at Bill Maher last night. I guess you got a worse US state than I did... Chico Venancio (talk) 08:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, good old Mississippi. Always the winner in any crazy contest.


 * Faulkner can run the analysis for you – he's set up a pretty good system that we've been using on all our template tests. All he needs is the z template number and he can tell you which template did better at getting users to edit 3, 30, and 90 days after they got the message. I'd recommend spot-checking the results, though, just to make sure nothing crazy happened. When a test ends, I go to the "what links here" of the z templates and filter for user talk (for this test it's z4 and z5, right?), then just copy-paste all those user names into a spreadsheet (like this one for the PT Huggle test). Then you'll be able to get a quick count of how many people got each template, and you can randomly click on a few to make sure the message got substituted correctly.


 * Make sense? I can do this for you when I get back to the office if you want :) Steven and I can also do some qualitative analysis on specific sets of users (e.g., look at all the people who kept editing after getting the welcome – what kinds of edits did they make? did they talk to anybody? did they create articles? etc.). Sometimes that gives a more interesting picture of what's happening to these users than just the raw numbers. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 14:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow. Great (and scary) video. Thanks (sorta) Chicocvenancio for posting it. tedder (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I lived in MS for two years (when I was 16, my parents got the brilliant idea to move there from Seattle). It was a... er, character builder. Chico got Knoxville for 2 years, which I maintain is a step up. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I've actually checked for non-substed templates and I substed them then I removed the tracking templates (because there really is no way to know which of the messages the user saw, 50-50 chance the message will change every time you load the page). I will send a message to Faulkner then as soon as a pt admin changes the template (I'll bug them to do it today). Chico Venancio (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I have finally made a draft of the project, I have never made or participated heavily on a project before, so any feedback is appreciated. I translated everything so you guys could read it without the peculiar Google translation (you might want to ‎compare it just for fun). Chico Venancio (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Thank you for starting this. I'll offer my notes/comments/suggestions on the talk page of the English (Portuguese, to keep everything on one talk page) draft, okay? Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

SharedIP
Hi, check Suggestion_relating_to_SharedIPArchiveBot on my talk, Petrb (talk) 10:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon
It seems to me that the Edit-a-thon for Women's History Month was a spectacular success, and I commend you and the whole crew. How gratifying to meet so many new editors with so much to bring to the party. Thank you for inviting me, and my wife was impressed and inspired by the experience. Take care.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it was fantastic! I'm so glad you and Debra came, and thank you for helping our new editors through the intricacies of article-writing and referencing. Also nice to discover that there's always more to learn on Wikipedia for all of us :) Thanks again, and I hope I'll see you two at our next event! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

BRfA dead?
Regarding Bots/Requests for approval/SharedIPArchiveBot 2, I've been watching m:User:Renklauf and can't figure out what xe's doing, but it seems to be statistical analysis of warning templates... or something. Anyways, it's been five weeks since your two week estimate was given. Even if you're not done yet, can you please update the BRfA with what information you do have, which way the wind is blowing, and other flavour and colour, so we all know you love us and haven't abandoned us? Josh Parris 02:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh. I would never abandon the bot herders! I'll see what I can do. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Huh
Hi, I've seen your reponse in BRFA, and I don't see what is wrong. You wanted me to take all pages in category SharedIP talk pages and archive half of them. That's what bot did, there wasn't any description of how the pages should be randomized. Petrb (talk) 14:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In fact it archived some ~19000 pages served by mediawiki as first Petrb (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on BRFA page – didn't mean to imply that the bot did anything wrong. It was my fault for not realizing that the way the IPs are listed in the category is not random, and that this would affect the outcome of the test. It's okay, and I still think Faulkner can get us something interesting out of the results. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you guys handling randomization of the current US lottery? If so, I want to go 50/50 with you. tedder (talk) 18:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Randomization, how does it work? :-P Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is an article in Wired about Anonymous hackers, about how they attacked magnets.com, saying "tweeted that the website’s customer service wouldn’t tell them how magnets worked." The article has a parenthetical: "(Wired speculates that the actual question was probably “Fucking magnets, how do they work?”)". Wow, Wired, how'd you possibly reach that conclusion? Okay, it was funny to me. tedder (talk) 18:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it's to do with aligning the electron orbits so that the movement of the electrons in a consistent plane creates a fucking magnetic field. Look it up, it's on Wikipedia or something. Josh Parris 22:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You know Wired's leap was associating it with this, right? tedder (talk) 22:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I now have kids and thus don't experience poplar culture anymore. I can tell you a fair amount about Ben10 and Thomas the Tank Engine...
 * What's with confusing the numinous and miraculous anyhow? I must be a genius, because I arrived at the Ampère model independently.  At least, it seems vaguely like how I decided permanent magnets work. Josh Parris 05:05, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I thought it might have been missed. You aren't missing anything. They seem mysterious and amazing until you make it through high school. tedder (talk) 05:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Numinous. Now there's a word I haven't heard since I taught Russian Symbolism to undergrads... Okay, discussion about magnets officially closed. Get back to work, everybody, before somebody drops by here to quote WP:NOTFACEBOOK :-P Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar Thanks!
Thanks for the barnstar! I hope to see you around. :) YuMaNuMa Contrib 01:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad you appreciated it! Thanks again for all your hard work :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I came to thank you as well. The barnstar is much appreciated! I'll keep up the hard work :) AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 00:57, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My thanks as well, Ajnem (talk) 13:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're both very welcome! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated here too, thanks!  Captain Screebo Parley! 19:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome – you deserve it! (Also, I love your username... almost as much as I love AdventurousSquirrel's :D) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, that's what we need more of around here, cheerful, chirpy people who enjoy wiki-whatevering and are not trying to push some sort of agenda or make some kind of statement. A pleasure to meet you!  Captain Screebo Parley! 21:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! It's nice to know someone's watching over us. I've felt appreciated by most of the community in airport articles; I wish I could say the same about the incivility of WP:NFCC zealots in the TV articles. It almost put me off editing at all. Someday I hope to compose a humongous discussion about NFCC with added insight about the related lack of civility, personal attacks and general lack of a collaborative spirit in case the Foundation is unaware of the "horrors" taking place, with the alleged intent of "saving" Wikipedia. Overdramatic? Yep, that's me. ;) --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I totally understand. On the one hand, I'm sympathetic to community-led efforts to ensure we don't get sued off the Internet for hosting illegal content. Very sympathetic – thank you, community! On the other hand, when I edit as a volunteer, I never, ever, ever get into the thickets of that stuff because I know it will ruin my day – and just because it's complicated and involves The Law(tm), it shouldn't have to be that way. It's not exactly something the WMF can wave a magic wand over, but rest assured that your voice is not going unheard :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I may be mistaken, but as I have come to understand the arguments, it's not about hosting illegal content. The Law(tm) generally allows for the legal fair use/fair dealing of copyright content. English Wikipedia apparently goes well beyond this, worrying about the legalities for users "downstream" from En-WP. I don't doubt there was noble intent behind this, but I believe En-WP generally fails at it. Unless I'm totally off-base in my understanding, I believe I could compose a fairly compelling set of counter-arguments to the current fair use rules, if I must quite immodestly(!) state this myself... --Chaswmsday (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Stale IP warnings and possible freeze factor
Hi Maryana, there are a couple of threads re IP warnings that you might be interested in. Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion which morphed into Old IP talk pages

I have a theory that the ever growing number of talkpages with warnings is having a freeze effect on potential IP editors. Even fairly static IPs are rarely static and after a few years the vast majority of the millions of IP talkpages with warnings and block messages will no longer be assigned to the same people. My worry is that a potential editor with an ancient IP talkpage such as this or even that will be less likely to edit than an IP editor with a blank talkpage.

What I'm not sure about is:


 * 1) What percentage of IPs get reassigned per year, ie after x years what proportion of these messages are on the IP of the household that includes the vandal
 * 2) How many static IPs are left unused - so what proportion of these talkpages are associated with different people and what proportion with no-one.
 * 3) Are people who inherit a warned IP less likely to edit Wikipedia than people whose IP has a redlinked talkpage?

Reasons why I suspect we have an issue include: A gut feel that if I saw one of those talkpages I'd be less positively inclined to the website. A concern that by now we should be seeing more IPs edit who have different editing behaviour than the warned person who had that IP years earlier, the general going off the boil of the community (March 2012 new editors are 25% down on March 2011) making me think that there might be a freeze factor out there.

If the theory holds up, and especially if there is a sizeable difference then it would be fairly easy to get a bot to replace huge numbers of these pages with some sort of generic template, maybe even a welcome. If that means that a few million IPs are slightly more likely to edit then it could be quite useful. What do you think?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  22:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I completely agree that this is a potential barrier to entry for new users. Steven and I actually ran an A/B test on this, using an archiving bot built by a community member; however, the results were inconclusive because of a couple external factors (my dumb mistake of not dividing the category randomly, and seasonal variance in editing patterns that makes it all but impossible to compare edit counts from the same address in two different months).


 * I'm still convinced that there's more work to be done to determine the effect of stale warnings on new anonymous editors, and to test different ways of introducing those editors to Wikipedia in a less intimidating way. Finding creative solutions to problems like these will be the focus of our new Editor Engagement Experiments team – thank you for raising this concern, and if you have more ideas and hunches, please feel free to send them our way :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks BTW do you have any theory for the contrast between DE wikis new editors in Jan 2011 and Jan 2012 - it is an even faster slide than EN wiki.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  23:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Not anything informed by data, no, but that's really interesting. The only major thing I can think of that affects new editors differently in EN and DE is pending changes, but that's been around on DE for years, so it would be hard to draw a causal line between that and a current new editor slump. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * EN seems to be going through a much sharper decline than wikis that don't have AFT, but that's only to be expected as it would be difficult to implement AFT without some diversion of editors from improving the pedia to critiquing it. But DE used to have a very pronounced January spike that didn't apply much this year. Perhaps it was a seasonal thing and they had a mild winter?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  12:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Another editor engagement thing you might want to measure is the effect of appointing people as Autopatrollers. It wouldn't surprise me if it outranked a barnstar in retention effect. Provided of course you word it well. While I cant see us appointing more than thirty or so admnns this year we could easily appoint hundreds of rollbackers and Autopatrollers.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  21:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * One common factor in all our welcome messages is the exhortation to sign posts with ~, It could so easily be made redundant by making a bugzilla change filed back in 2009. See meta:Wikimedia_Forum. I'd be interested in research on our non-retained newbies, but I bet being told to type four tyldas must seem offputtingly geeky to the majority and clunky and outdated to the geeks. If you guys are getting some tech support you could just make that happen.   Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  22:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
What's the next milestone I should aim for? --Haruo (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! And I'm happy to hear you're not planning on resting on your laurels :) I suppose the next big one is 10K edits, but if you haven't already, you might want to go check out this page and see which awards you already qualify for. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the Barnstar
Thank you very much for the Barnstar. Im really hapy for it and it really makes me happy to see it. Ofcourse I accept it. Im very thankful for your notice of my work on boxing articles (espacilly Wladimir Klitscho:) ).

Best regards :) David-golota (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome – keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
Thanks for the barnstar. I think WP can benefit a lot from helping article editors. I have seen a lot of accounts getting abandoned or blocked, which could have done a lot of good to WP.
 * You're welcome! Always happy to give credit where credit is due :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar
Thank you for the barnstar. I really appreciate it! NBA Fan44 (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it, and you're very welcome :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Maryana, Hello, and thank you very much for the Barnstar! Im very grateful and appreciate your thoughtfulness. I hope to be able to do my best for Wikipedia in years to come. Best wishes and regards, Khani100 (talk) 03:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100


 * So happy to hear you appreciate it! I hope to be able to do my best for Wikipedia in years to come – yes, please! :D Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again! Very best wishes, Khani100 (talk) 02:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100

Another "thank you for the barnstar" section
Thank you so very much! (A thousand edits? When did that happen?  I only ever made one at a time!)

Thanks again, but fair warning: sometime I'll post to my LJ and let the world know the terrible truth of my real feelings about The Girl Who Owned a City. >:->

Look, everybody, I got a barnstar! Cactus Wren (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hehe... books, LJ and Wikipedia. Clearly we were separated at birth! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Maryana! It's little things like this that make editing Wikipedia that much more enjoyable. -- Tom.Reding  t c 02:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yay, glad you liked it :) You're very welcome, and thanks again for your contributions! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar
Hi Maryana, thank you ever so much for awarding me the Technial Barnstar. Much appreciated. Wesley ☀  Mouse  15:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome! Good luck with your London Paralympics volunteer training :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Notice
Hi, You sent me a deletion notice a while ago for sustainable economics. The deletion is fine because I realized sustainable development and ecological economics basically cover what I wanted to do. Maybe a redirect to those pages? I dunno... Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chetrasho (talk • contribs) 13:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar
Hi Maryana. Thank you very much for the Barnstar, I appreciate it! Best regards. MauriManya (talk) 18:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Maryana, Thanks for the 1,000th edit Barnstar. Much appreciated.--Marcusaurelius161 (talk) 10:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar! Melvalevis (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're all very welcome! Happy to recognize the awesome work you're doing :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Bot testing
Just wondering how far you are getting with the results from the editing-test removal trial. Let me know...  Rcsprinter  (articulate)  17:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Rc, sorry for the delay – we're still working through the analysis backlog for Huggle & Twinkle. Good news is that that's nearly done, so we can move on to your bot next. I'll make sure it's number one on the priority scale, since I've kept you waiting for so long! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK then.  Rcsprinter  (gossip)  18:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Please help me!
I created a page and a user deleted it without talking!!!

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Palatal+nasal

I am really angry. This is unfair! HTML2011 (talk) 03:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Maryana, see User talk:Kwamikagami and Voiced palatal. HTML2011, please discuss this with Kwamikagami in a civil manner. tedder (talk) 03:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In a civil manner? Is it civil to go and DELETE articles that another user creates? Like at
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Palatal+nasal
 * and now I learn by your comment also at
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Voiced+palatal
 * If there is no action towards this user by any higher authority - then I am done. HTML2011 (talk) 05:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss the article, I am happy to discuss it. I deleted it because it served no purpose, and was part of a series of inappropriate edits. However, my impression so far is that you are more interested in shouting for not getting your way than in debating the merits of your edits. — kwami (talk) 05:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * HTML2011: I'm sorry, but there really is no "higher authority" on Wikipedia. There are some editors with special user rights, but that doesn't make their decisions about content more or less binding. There are also several dispute resolution mechanisms, but again, they mostly focus on user behavior, not article content. Consensus is how things are done here.


 * It looks like you were trying to create a list of voiced palatals. I'm an amateur linguist at best, but it seems to me that this information already exists in this article. Since unvoiced palatals are so uncommon, I'm not sure how important it is to emphasize the "voiced" aspect. Kwami isn't out to get you – he just really cares about the quality of the encyclopedia. You should talk to him about why you think there should be a separate list of voiced palatals and how best to convey that information. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

There is no higher authority to stop users run around and delete article without talking to anyone??? Is this a joke? Why are there some editors with special rights, as you say? Yes, exactly, I don't have a problem with content issues, that's fine. I took part in discussions and votes, sometimes my view was the same as the outcome, sometimes not. Everything fine. But here is someone who does delete articles before talking to anyone!!! This is incredibly offensive! Everybody I know and I told that story in real life, says this is unbelievable, and some of them already said they will think about that in the next round of donations to the WMF, because it looks totalitarian, that some users can do what Kwamikagami did. Is it really true that the WMF will not take action against this behavior of Kwamikagami. ... Still hoping. HTML2011 (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * High HTML2011, the WMF rarely directly intervenes in the way that self-governing communities such as the English Wikipedia work. If you have a problem with another editor or an admin then please try first to resolve the matter with the editor concerned, and if that doesn't work there are various dispute resolution mechanisms ultimately going all the way to the arbitration committee (which can and does take special userrights away from users who misuse them). As for disputing a deletion I suggest you try wp:Deletion review.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  08:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I presented the facts, with few clicks the WMF can see, that this problematic user did delete the articles in question without talking. I am a CONTENT contributor. Does the WMF care about CONTENT contributors who's CONTENT contributions are attacked by deletions? Why is there no one taking action against Kwamikagami? I ask here for actual help, not just advises. Anyone helping CONTENT contributors? This Kwamikagami also simply deleted requests for citation and "disputed"-tags. I made a list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics. PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS USER!!! HTML2011 (talk) 09:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If this was a totalitarian place then shouting might help you and the step of trying to resolve this dispute amicably would be optional. But the reverse is true. If you want to dispute this deletion the you can either talk to Kwamikagami or file an undeletion request at wp:Deletion review or both (but in either case my advice would be to do so with minimal use of capital letters). If you'd like to change policy so that informing editors before deleting good faith articles was compulsory rather than merely recommended then I can advise where to make such a suggestion.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  12:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer to talk with Maryana from the WMF. Some random user telling me what to do and what not, does not help. I explained my wish and the problem. If it doesn't matter to the WMF that articles get deleted by some wild user, then I learned something. I am here for contributing CONTENT. Not for policy or whatever dispute with users like Kwamikagami. I like disputes about CONTENT. But for behavior disputes I have no time. Life is too beautiful. HTML2011 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Now I also have been blocked for 48 hours while there was no ongoing edit warring. I was talking calmly with the person that had reverted me and did not reverted him. Then suddenly I was blocked and not even a pointer was given for what edits I was blocked. Unblock requests have been denied with questionable comments and then even my talk page access was blocked. This is too much. HTML2011 (talk) 02:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Youtube citations
Hi Maryana, is it possible to reference Youtube clips? For example, a recorded interview with the subject of the article. --Soulparadox 09:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the relevant policy. It says while there's no blanket ban on YouTube clips, you should generally avoid linking to something if you don't know the copyright status of the video (and, unfortunately, YouTube hosts a lot of sketchy copyvios). What's the video in question? Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S., feel free to drop by my volunteer account talk page if you have more questions like this. You'll find me over there more often on weekends and non-work hours, and it feels a little weird to be answering questions here with a WMF signature in my username, as if that makes me more special/knowledgeable than non-staffers :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, Maryana! Wikielwikingo (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Error in Commons
I can't load any more files on Commons, because it is giving error. It must be because the upgrade MediaWiki. I'm wanting to send some files to ogg and vocalize articles in Portuguese. And I'm not getting, is giving error.

The Wikimedia Commons is related to Wikipedia. I can talk about in Wikipedia Commons on Wikipedia.

Is giving error in updating. I can not send a new version of the file. Eduardo P (talk) 23:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not sure what's going on. You might want to ask at the Commons Village pump if you're still having that problem. I wish I could help more, but unfortunately I'm not much of a Commons expert. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the barnstar. Cheers. :-) Smarojit (talk) 08:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome – thanks again for your great work :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)