User talk:MRL of The Broomhill Pool Trust

August 2009
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 * 1) [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added  do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the  before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.

I have just picked up this latest message on iphone.

You need to be aware that the formats that you use on the talk page/block page, are completely different on when read by MS Outlook/Windows.

On Iphone I can now clearly see your live click links, and the editorial is in exact chronological order.

This is NOT the case when read on MS windows (as I have been doing). On MS Windows there are no live links (only field marks). The sequence for talk is also out of time order, and very difficult to follow.

I can find the "page edit" (top right) and on Iphone I can clearly see a live click link to WP:ER. However, when I click to WP:ER there is no where for me to click to "agree" to follow the procedure ??
 * It isn't something that you click to agree to; it is a process that you can simply state here that you will follow. Yamla has posted below, please respond to them. 331dot (talk) 13:18, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Yamia, what do you expect me to do about it? The entry was made 10 years ago, and only now has it become an issue for you. Our only objective is to ensure accurate information about the pool for which we are the Charitable Trust for. There is no conflict of interest because the posted items are statements of fact, and fully backed up with linked sources. Block me if you wish, but there would be no entry about the pool here, no accurate information, and no credibility in the entry. All I am trying to do is provide an accurate summary of this history and status. Sorry if I am unaware of wiki protocols and have made a mess of a simple update, but that's all. This has all been completely blown out of all proportion.
 * That isn't what conflict of interest means, at least here. Please read WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a genuine entry that seeks to inform. It was an entry that we set up in good faith. With no intent to mislead. With no intent to fall foul of your myriad of rules and conditions. The entry is accurate, factual, and informative. However, if you want to make an example of us and punish your readers, feel free. Just delete the whole thing if that makes you feel better. We are a small charitable trust that works has work voluntary and tirelessly for many years for our community, We have have spent too much time and effort with Wiki, with very little assistance and guidance, only your scorn. Sorry but too much power has clearly gone to your heads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRL of The Broomhill Pool Trust (talk • contribs)
 * I'm sorry that you feel that way. "Seeking to inform" is a promotional purpose. Wikipedia is not meant to merely provide information. That's something you should do on a website run by your Trust, not here.  The fact that you are a "small charitable trust" likely also means you do not have the appropriate sources to support an article here. It is not about punishment of anyone, but about ensuring that all content here is in keeping with our purpose and guidelines.  As long as you are just here to promote your trust, you won't be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I would note that the article has at least one supporter, as shown in the deletion discussion. If you answer Yamla's concerns below, and agree to comply with guidelines, you might even be unblocked.  It isn't us blowing this out of proportion. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

"Seeking to inform" is NOT a promotional purpose, it is sharing knowledge!!!! DON'T put words in to people's mouths! We are writing collaboratively and providing accurate, factual and up to date information (backed up with sources) in the spirit of Wiki. Ten years we first set up this page. We have admitted we are unfamiliar with your protocols. And we have repeatedly stated that we will follow your guidelines. All we sort was a bit of understanding, support and guidance to make the edits. How many more times do you want us to apologise for falling foul of your processes?!! If you want to delete then just delete it, but otherwise your help would be appreciated as well as stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
 * You can call it whatever you want, but "sharing knowledge" or "seeking to inform" is promotional. Wikipedia is not for merely "sharing knowledge". It appears we have a fundamental disagreement as to what promotion is, but I can only tell you what Wikipedia considers to be promotional. You also have not addressed Yamla's question below("How would you edit your pool's wiki entry while abiding by WP:COI? Hint: there's several specific things you'll need to do in order for this to be okay. It would normally not be okay for you to directly edit this article, and it was inappropriate for you to create this article in the first place."). 331dot (talk) 13:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Please change my username to "boycott wiki", and delete all my userpages.
 * I'm sorry you feel that way, which there is no need for at all. User talk pages are not usually deleted; if you no longer wish to participate, simply stop.   331dot (talk) 13:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

No you've pushed it too far. We're absolutely sick of wiki and the high handedness. All we wanted for was some help and you've just kicked us at every opportunity Please change my username to "boycott wiki", and delete my userpages.
 * Your username will not be changed, and this page will not be deleted outright. Per WP:USERTALK, "When a user leaves Wikipedia, their user and user talk pages are usually unaffected and may be edited again at any future time. Some users place the retired template on their user and talk page to let others know that they are away for an extended period or permanently. A user may blank their user and user talk pages (i.e. overwriting with a blank page) provided non-removable notices (if any) are left intact." Such non-removable notices include declined unblock requests. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Please change my username to "boycott wiki", and delete all my userpages. This is our final message. No further communication.
 * As I've said, that is not happening- and I've said what you can do above. You are also using the db-user incorrectly. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames which give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only yourself as an individual and which complies with our username policy or request a change of username. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline and be aware that promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. If your username does not represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page. You may simply create a new account, but you may prefer to change your username to one that complies with our username policy, so that your past contributions are associated with your new username. If you would prefer to change your username, you may appeal this username block by adding the text at the bottom of your talk page. Please note that you may only request a name that is not already in use, so please check here for a listing of already taken names. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Completely lost me now. I have no idea what you are seeking to do. But hope that my unblock request with revise user name will suffice. The present entry is at least accurate now, and we have no future edits planned for now. We will however, struggle through next time and try to work out how to do it without upsetting the apple cart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:3A59:E600:F556:4854:6FBB:8E53 (talk) 10:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please edit the entire page and not just this section so posts are in the correct order. Use the edit tab at the very top of the page and not the one in the article itself. I only want you to click WP:ER and agree to follow the procedure there to suggest changes to the article about your organization. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Broomhill Pool Trust, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Broomhill Pool, Ipswich have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.


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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

No one disputes that you are a charity. That is not the issue; the issue is your username, as I have explained above. I can't speak as to why this issue was not addressed before now, only that it needs to be now. You need to choose a compliant username. There is no such thing here as "official updates" as you should not directly edit the article about your charity, instead making edit requests. 331dot (talk) 17:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

As I have indicated, you may use a name in the format of "YourName of Broomhill Pool Trust" or "YourName of BPT" if you want the Trust's name in your username. The name of the Trust itself cannot solely be your username. However, as I indicated, there is no such thing as "official updates" here; this is a collaborative project. We are only interested in what independent reliable sources state about article subjects in most cases. You must use edit requests. 331dot (talk) 17:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Have read & heed. Thank you. Please unblock.

I have changed your username. Before I (or someone else) unblock you, I would like you to affirm that you will use the edit request procedure on the article talk page to submit changes to the article about your organization that you want to see. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for changing user name. Please unlock our account. We are not experts on Wikipedia and quite frankly will avoid edits like the plague. However, we are experts in the history and status of our lido. We seek to ensure that the pool's wiki entry - which we created - to be accurate and valid. We hope that you will support us in this effort. MRL of The Broomhill Pool Trust (talk) 10:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You don't need to make further unblock requests as you still have an open one. I've indicated what you can do above. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * How would you edit your pool's wiki entry while abiding by WP:COI? Hint: there's several specific things you'll need to do in order for this to be okay. It would normally not be okay for you to directly edit this article, and it was inappropriate for you to create this article in the first place. --Yamla (talk) 11:55, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I am willing to unblock you if you agree to cease making any substantive changes to the Broomhill Pool, Ipswich article. You must propose these changes on the article's talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)