User talk:MRSC/Archive 15

Strand, London
Section moved to Talk:Strand, London and replied there. MRSC (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Non-metropolitan district on Nottingham City Council
Section moved to Talk:Nottingham City Council and replied there. MRSC (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Non-metropolitan district categories
Just a suggestion: If you put Category:Non-metropolitan districts of COUNTY in Category:Local government districts of REGION (as well as Category:COUNTY), then it wouldn't be necessary to put the district articles in the region category. Kanguole 14:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought of that, but the problem is not every non-metropolitan district is in a non-metropolitan county and I don't want to mix ceremonial and non-metropolitan counties in the category scheme. MRSC (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't we always use ceremonial counties for categories? Kanguole 14:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We do, but the only way you can meaningfully categorise non-metropolitan districts in a two tier arrangement is by non-metropolitan counties. MRSC (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a centralized discussion of this categorization anywhere? Kanguole 06:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it has been done on a piecemeal basis up until now. We'll need to start one to work out what to do with the contents of Category:Local government districts of England by county. MRSC (talk) 06:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Civil parishes in England
Hi. Civil parishes in England, an article you have contributed to,  has been reassessed to  C class from  Start  class. Apparently many  people watch  and/or visit  this page as an alternative to  the broader Civil parishes article. I've quickly scanned it  for needing  a possible copy  edit, but  it already  looks reasonably  good to  me. However, I did feel  it just needs a little attention such  as adding  more inline refs. It's not tagged or anything, but  if  you  can  help  ut  with  a source or two, it  would be much  appreciated. Perhaps from your other work  on  geography  articles, you  will  know where to  look, and we will  be able to  promote it  to 'B'.Kudpung (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Maps
I think I have restored all of the UK/Ireland maps that were deleted, just need the appropriate info adding to them. Keith D (talk) 23:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've started a page here: User:Morwen/image licensing to work out licensing issues. Will take a little time of course. MRSC (talk) 05:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Inner Temple
Can you tell me why you removed the Local Government category? Ironholds (talk) 10:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is the parent of Category:Local authorities in London. MRSC (talk) 10:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Put to rest
Hi MRSC,

I'm slowly returning back to editting on a moderate scale (I won't be as active as I was until 2011 though), and, was a little miffed that 'the counties' issue has appeared a couple of times again in the last few months (an example being Talk:Ancient counties of England). I really meant to do this years ago, but I have started a FAQ at User:Jza84/Counties, with the view that it can be a space to deconstruct several myths and remain so in perpetuity. Once it's of a befitting standard, I'll protect it, and it can serve as a point of reference for users who are new to the issue. WP:UCC never has nailed this issue for me. --Jza84 | Talk  23:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox UK place
Hi MRSC. A couple of editors are not quite sure what the  Category:English district articles with deprecated infobox is to be used for. Template:Infobox UK place is a permanently protected feature of Wikipedia site software.It can only be modified by an administrator. As far as I and other editors can ascertain, it is being used correctly on UK settlements. There appears however, to be some confusion over the definition of what constitutes a UK place. Some of the tagging seems, on the surface, to be indiscriminate, might I therefore suggest that it may be a prcautionary measure to stop taggig major settlements and cities with Category:English district articles with deprecated infobox, until this has been resolved as it is bordering on an editwar. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk)
 * All the relevant articles have already been tagged. It only applies to settlements that area also districts of England. Have a look at the last two edits to Adur (district) and you should understand. 06:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you will find that a couple of editors may not fully understand the purpose of this category, how another infobox (which one?) overrides UK settlements, and why the tagging with a new category is oreferable to carrying out any fixes on the spot.--Kudpung (talk) 06:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it is too big a task and needs to be organised, preferably completed by more than one person. ;) MRSC (talk) 06:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think your new category might be going to meet with  some resistance, particularly when it appears that  the new cat is being applied to numerous settlements that are quite legitimately  displaying the UK place infobox. If you  look at the edit  histories of Reading, Berkshire,  Worcester,  Eastbourne, Tamworth, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, Coventry, Coventry, Gosport,  Gloucester, Corby, which seem to me to have been supported by a reasonable rationale. However, edit warring is not going to be a way of either asserting or contesting any possible problems that may or may not exist with this category, and what its use incurrs. --Kudpung (talk) 06:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We've converted the majority of the articles that fall into this category (see WP:UKDISTRICTS - there are about 45 in total). These are just the leftover few. So it is isn't contraversial. If I thought it was I wouldn't have considered using the category, it was just a way for me to organise the work I was doing and point others to where things needed updating. There is no need to restore the category. The argument for using infobox settlement is that it has far more fields and therefore display much more data. MRSC (talk) 06:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm beginning to understand. So the cities I listed (cats originally reverted by User:Jeni) were inadvertantly tagged for that cat in good faith. If it's a question of fields, maybe a RfC would be the best path to getting the UK place infobox improved, rather than risking an editwar amongst some of our more respected editors. but for now, I don't personally see it as a priority.--Kudpung (talk) 06:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * TBH I don't see it an issue. I'm going to work my way through the 100+ articles on my list. MRSC (talk) 07:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It might become an issue if the county project members are being told without consensus that they should use a district infobox instead of the right one.--Kudpung (talk) 07:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

City of Winchester
I notice you have been tinkering with the info box for City of Winchester could you also update the info box to reflect that the council is now run by the Liberal Democrats? Thanks --Wintonian (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I've updated English district control as you requested. MRSC (talk) 12:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I realy must pop over to the ONS and read up sometime. --Wintonian (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Basildon
Should it be added to the list of boroughs? (I'll let you do the honours if so.) David (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Newport, Buckinghamshire (hundred)
Section moved to Talk:Newport, Buckinghamshire (hundred) and replied there. MRSC (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Do you want to correspond with me e-mail? I from Czech Repuplich and I want to be better in English. Write me on my takl page. Hi K123456 (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Islington Council
Hi. I am slightly disconcerted by some of the changes you are making from "some previous version" to "Islington London Borough Council". Some of these that I have noticed have replaced the former linked text which was often "Islington Council". These would seem to have been correct, no matter what the underlying technical name of the body is; I have never heard a single example of someone referring to the Council in common usage as "Islington London Borough Council": I would expect the usage almost always to be "Islington Council", unless of course it was a torrent of abuse beginning "those £%%$^* ..." I wondered if it might be possible, please, for you to change the underlying link without changing the linked text where it is already "Islington Council"? Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 09:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Place naming conventions
Just thought that I would let you know about this discussion on changing the naming conventions within England for places. Mainly using the town/city in preference to the ceremonial county. Keith D (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi I also  just  thought  I'd let you  know about ongoing  policy  discussion and the sudden resulting  discussions at Talk:Peterborough, Talk:Dover, Talk:Plymouth, Talk:Sydenham, Talk:Cornwall & Talk:Cambridge. Mainly to  do with  renaming or disambiguating these cities in  preference of  their namesakes in  other countries.--Kudpung (talk) 08:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've seen the individual discussions, but hadn't seen the centralised discussion. MRSC (talk) 10:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the RtC. Your proposal of 12:04, 27 October 2010 looks good to me. You might add "... but Warrington, in the north of the Borough, is Warrington, Buckinghamshire". I also think that it would be wise to mention the Southampton examples which provided the precedent for the MK districts RtM. The places in the precedent were originally independent but now clearly part of Southampton. Though I suppose in that case, wou would need external sources that confirm the attribution...? I'll let you do the honours. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi MRSC - in a simillar vein to the above, are you aware of this change? I goes against my understanding of how the page came about. --Jza84 | Talk  00:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Roomes Stores


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Kingsweston
Hi, I am curious to know why you moved this page? Jezhotwells (talk) 13:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I've renamed any articles that deal exclusively with wards to Foo Bar (ward). Where articles deal with a locality that is also a ward I've followed the usual WP:UKPLACE naming convention. This is why I moved some of the Bristol articles but not others. MRSC (talk) 13:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

List of people from Barking and Dagenham
Section moved to Talk:List of people from Barking and Dagenham. MRSC (talk) 07:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

West Ham Station
I have added some more info relating to the NLR and the platforms from Peter Kays books. The bible for the LT&SR. Three volumes (published 1996, 1997, 2010) and one to go.REVUpminster (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! MRSC (talk) 22:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Parroquia
Hi, now that Parroquia is a disambig, please don't forget to WP:FIXDABLINKS. This tool makes the job much easier. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 18:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

London Boroughs
Hi, May I ask why you created an extra article about some London Councils? It seems like some councils e.g. Lewisham, Greenwich... ect have two articles the original and now the new one you created.

Also another problem with this is some councils don't even excist on the 'Local authorities in London' template examples: Bexley, Bromley, Croydon, Kingston, Richmond, Wandsworth, Harrow etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darianthomson (talk • contribs) 23:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


 * A borough (the territorial area) and a council (the local authority made up of councillors etc.) are not the same thing, which is why there are two articles.


 * Initially we made details of the councils a subsection of the borough articles, but as the encyclopaedia grows it is common to create new articles to deal with one aspect of the subject (such as the council as distinct from the borough). Typically in this case because election results or other political details dominate an article primarily about a location.


 * The reason the other councils articles are not linked in the template Local authorites in London is because, unfortunately, some contributors get upset when they see red links (i.e. links to as yet unwritten articles) and remove them, especially in those navigation footers. So, for the time being, I'm just adding the articles to the footer as I write them. In the meantime, you can see which are yet to be written here. MRSC (talk) 06:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Craven
Category:Craven, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:People by school in London
Because, after the discussion Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 16, the Category:People by school in the United Kingdom was renamed Category:Former pupils by school in the United Kingdom and most of the subcategories were renamed correspondingly, I nominated Category:People by school in London, which you created, for renaming to Category:Former pupils by school in London. If you would like to add any comments, please see Categories for discussion/Speedy. Coyets (talk) 11:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Middlesbrough Borough Council
I was looking at a recent suggestion that the borough article be merged with Middlesbrough (which is to my mind clearly wrong) and at earlier discussions on the same page. It got me trying to find the table of districts which are/are not considered to be coterminous with their main settlement. I eventually found it here. I just thought that the very useful table should not be archived as it remains useful for reference when such debates arise. Sussexonian (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Cotswold
Category:Cotswold, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 15:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

English district articles with deprecated infoboxes
Hello there,

I recently decided to have a go at this after seeing it on the UK Geography project to-do list. After some fits and starts as I slowly got a feel for it, a good number of the non-metropolitan districts now have the settlement infobox in place, and I should finish those remaining with luck in the next day or so.

I'm holding off on the districts that aren't non-metropolitan for now, as the nomenclature isn't as clear-cut as it was for the non-metropolitan districts as in the Arun example. I've detailed my progress so far and some items that might need guidance on the category talk page; Perhaps you might chime in if you have a moment. I'm also going to solicit input from the wikiproject talk page.

Cheers, NORTHUMBRIAN  SPRǢC  19:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC) mea culpa!

Nomination of River Ward (ice hockey player) for deletion
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 * I've deleted the duplicate nomination and moved the second one - the one with comments - to Articles for deletion/River Ward (ice hockey player). FYI. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of articles about local government in the United Kingdom for deletion
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Deletion discussion about List of Danish furniture designers
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Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Bus list


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