User talk:MSGJ/2012

Merry Christmas!

 * Thanks! And a happy new year to you. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox settlement
ASDFGH and I have expressed the concern at template talk that your edit to the template italicising native names is a poor idea because the italicisation of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean is discouraged per each language's manual of style. Could you remove the italicisation? Thanks much GotR Talk 21:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've commented there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:40, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Editing Tony Royster, Jr.
Hi there. I received a message from Wikipedia that my recent edit was reverted due to, what I'll phrase as, "suspicious" and possibly vandalistic. I'm fairly new to editing on here and appreciate the automated(?) features. Is this a strike against me? If you look at what I edited, what part was out of specs? For future reference, I would like some constructive feedback on that or any other of my edits. I'm very particular and objective when I edit. Thank you for your time. rttavi 07:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rttavi (talk • contribs)
 * I can't see anything wrong with your edit at all. You are right - ClueBot NG is an automated process and detects (with quite a high degree of accuracy) uncontructive edits. I do not know why it identified that edit as vandalism, but I have removed the warning from your talk page. I suggest you make the edit again and the bot should not revert again. Best wishes &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Multiple issues
I made a request at Template talk:Multiple issues for a change but no one has commented on it. Could you tell me what you think of it? RJFJR (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, will look shortly. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: BRFAs and mass unprotection
I suppose I could agree to that FWIW although, as a serial AWB user, I'd really need more details to be able to work out how much hassle to me it would be. Incidentally, I'm just preparing a response on WP:AN to review the situation and I'm hoping we can keep discussion centralised there. Regards, - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 14:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

HPB
I noticed that SmackBot is currently running with an extremely small delay when dating templates, less than 5 minutes  etc. If that is still in violation of the original unblock terms you agreed to, it may be necessary to block the bot again. I believe that the operator claimed that the problem had been fixed in order to convince someone else to unblock the bot. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I don't really have enough time for Wikipedia to get involved with this at the moment. Best regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject status
Sorry to bother you but would you mind taking another look at this template. I left a message about the problem on the templates talk page. I looked at the code to try and make the change myself but I don't see where the parameters are in the code. Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Greetings, I was just wondering if you had time to look at this yet. I found another problem in the coding I think. --Kumioko (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Wiki markup
Hi, I'm trying to practice wiki markup by making a copy of Template:Infobox planet at User:Article editor/sandbox. But when I use it on User talk:Article editor, there are a lot of blank spaces depending on which parameters are given. Could you possibly take a look at the wiki markup to find out what's causing it? Thank you! --Article editor (talk) 07:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get a chance to reply to you. If you still need help, please let me know. But I'm not very active here at the moment. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Multiple issues template usage suggestion
I have started a discussion about making the Multiple issues template the new cleanup template here. Since you have edited this template several times in the past I thought you might have some insight into this idea. --Kumioko (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi Martin! I should have come to you before opening that edit request. I saw your initials on the edit, but it didn't click that it was you. Deepest apologies. – PIE ( C LIMAX  ) 18:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Canada Template
MSGJ, can you possibly help with ? I've posted a requst for a Future class. I really would like it done soonish. Thank-you. Argolin (talk) 08:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Irish International University is legally trading under its own registered name in Ireland

www.iiuedu.ie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.238.184 (talk) 12:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Documentation pages
Category:Documentation pages, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Museums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_museum#Edit_Request_for_Entity

Done! but I don't know if it's right.

Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 14:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Cryptography
I was just looking for a way to add class and importance parameters to the WikiProject Cryptography template, but I noticed this revert of yours. Can you elaborate what was wrong with the edit? Thanks, Nageh (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Gosh that was a long time ago. It's about a month since Martin last edited, so I'll have a go at answering. If you have a look at, you'll see that the second and third boxes contain some error messages, possibly because too many features were being added at once, or because some features were overcomplicated. It's easy to run into problems when adding features to a WikiProject banner, so I find that it's easiest to add one feature at a time, and make sure it works properly before adding the next. It's also best to do this in the template's sandbox page - in this case . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, I'll start playing in the sandbox, shouldn't be too hard to get this right. Nageh (talk) 23:22, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Latin America music banner help
Hello MSGJ I was referred to you at the 1.0 Editorial Team page. I need help getting the music-importance to work at Template:WikiProject Latin America as it does not show up on the talk pages. Thanks. Erick (talk) 20:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The importance parameter is an odd one - unlike the other taskforce parameters it has spaces instead of underscores, and is lowercase too. should fix it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So you can apply it to the main template as well to fix it? I can't edit the main template since it's protected. Erick (talk) 23:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, see . I've created the necessary categories too. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It took a couple of days, but the has now updated to have columns for importance. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan banner
For some reason, the banner isn't pointing to the correct category for requested photos (Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Hokkaidō) when the |pref-photo=Hokkaido parameter is set. Will you look at it and see how to fix it so entering "Hokkaido", "Hokkaidou", or "Hokkaidō" will all point to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Hokkaidō? I can't seem to figure out how to do it. I appreciate your help. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is in the line:
 * Ignoring the last #switch:, which merely appends the word Prefecture under certain circumstances, there is nothing to equate "Hokkaido" with "Hokkaidō" (or even "Hokkaidou", which isn't mentioned anywhere in the template). Therefore it will use three different categories:
 * Hokkaido →
 * Hokkaidou →
 * Hokkaidō →
 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realize that, but I need them all to point to the same place. That's what I'm looking to do, but I'm not sure how to do it. This is one of the joys of dealing with multiple possible romanizations. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 18:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the MediaWiki template parser does not permit the use of variables, which would simplify things a lot. What is needed is that every place where Hokkaido/Hokkaidou/Hokkaidō is permitted (I guess all variants on //etc.) will have to test for the first two and treat it as if it were the third when building the categgory name. So, I think that should do it. Please try out that sandbox version; in order to simplify things, it relies on the existence of three redirects: Hokkaido Prefecture, Hokkaidou Prefecture and Hokkaidō Prefecture, so the text in the project banner does vary according to the value passed in, but the category for all three is . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That looks like it works, so will you add the change to the template since you were the one who created it? I appreciate your help with this. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 17:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Whenaxis  talk &middot; &#32;contribs &#124; DR goes to Wikimania!  21:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

GOCE banner
Hi

Can you please refrain from putting the GOCE banner in the bannershell. A GOCE banner does not show that the "article is of interest" to GOCE - it is a note, similar to "peer reviewed" that tells editors information.

There have been a couple of previous discussions on this matter, though I cannot point you to them right now.

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Help?
Hi Martin,

I'm contacting you because you seem quite knowledgeable in these matters. I'm struggling to create a topicon for editfilter managers at Template:Edit filter manager topicon. Nothing seems to want to display. Could you shed any light on what I'm doing wrong? Many thanks Pol430  talk to me 16:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted
I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon, 1-3 June. Registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in the registration form.

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about ResourceLoader and Gadgets (extending functionality with JavaScript), the switch to Lua for templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs.

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

I also thought you might want to know about other upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC and our other events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at mediawiki.org. Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator 02:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

File:B-checklist still screwy.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:B-checklist still screwy.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- Тимофей ЛееСуда . 14:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Technical stop
Just found your November 2010 comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2011. While doing some editing to airport articles, I had a similar thought. I found an "official" definition of the term at the ICAO's website and created "technical stop" in Wiktionary. I've linked to it from aviation-related articles in Wikipedia containing "technical stop" and "technical landing". The term also seems to refer to similar stops made by passenger trains, but I can't find any reliable citations for that usage. Hope this helped. --Chaswmsday (talk) 08:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The ghost of contentous debates past: classical composers infobox template
Hello! I hope all has been well since I entered a lengthy period of semi-hibernation. I'm starting to bestir myself again, and what to my wondering eye should appear, but--nothing so mirthful as a sleigh or reindeer, but yet another eruption of the seemingly endless debate over infoboxes. See the discussion about Marian Anderson here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music and the talk page here Samuel Barber.

Painful as doing so doubtless will be, please cast your mind back a couple of years to when we both participated in a long, contentious discussion of infoboxes and classical composers at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Composers/Infoboxes_RfC. I took the conclusion to be endorsement of a new template for classical composers, infobox classical composer, which I believe was the fruit of your work. When I return to the archived discussion and click the new template's link, however, it directs me to the much-maligned general Template:Infobox person. What happened? Did the classical composer box end up going down in flames in some subsequent proceding that eluded me? I'd love to direct the attention of those engaged in the Barber debate, at least, to it as a useful alternative that might avoid yet another fruitless round of jousting that detracts from creation of useful content. Thanks for any enlightenment you can offer! Drhoehl (talk) 21:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It was deleted after this tfd. The deleted infobox was then restored at Infobox composer/draft before being deleted again. I could restore it into your userspace if you want to see it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. No need to copy it, but sorry to see that after all that effort it got killed.  Particularly since the author of its deletion was the same user who now is pushing the general "person" box onto classical musician articles.  Again.  Sigh....  Drhoehl (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
I've posted an open question that you appear well suited to consider. I thank you in advance for the time allocation I am burdening you with by asking this of you. I have nevertheless asked. Best - My76Strat (talk) 19:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

AFC article at AfD


FYI: That article, which was approved by you in 2008, is at AfD. mabdul 19:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Will comment there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Popups broken
Hi. The [ change] you made a few minutes ago to Gadget-popups.js appears to have broken the script. Popups are no longer working for me, and my Firefox 12.0 (Linux) error console has the following:

Timestamp: 05/14/2012 12:14:52 PM Error: missing ; after for-loop condition Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-popups.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&492565584 Line: 3186, Column: 33 Source Code: for (var j=0; js in utf8, like wikipedia Error: missing ; after for-loop condition Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-popups.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&492565584 Line: 3186, Column: 33 Source Code:  for (var j=0; js in utf8, like wikipedia

Can you fix this? If by some chance you're not online right now and don't see this right away, I may just go ahead and revert your change, but I wanted to give you a chance first. — Rich wales 19:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Me too. —S MALL  JIM   19:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. I see this has been reverted now. I was trying to apply this diff requested on the talkpage. If one of you is more familiar with the code, you might be more successful than I was. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't dare try! Made me realise how I'm entirely dependent on Popups, though! —S MALL  JIM   19:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I'll have one more go and try not to mess it up this time. If anything goes wrong, please report here and it will be reverted immediately. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks OK this time :) —S MALL  JIM   19:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Popups work for me in Firefox 12, but still won't work in Chrome. Could you have another look please? --JN466 11:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, will revert back to previous state. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

developer access
I saw you discussing some coding related to Wikipedia and thought you might want to get developer access if you don't already have it. You can find out more and request it on that page. Best wishes! Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager 02:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not really a coder and I'd probably break something :) I just play around with templates occasionally. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:Template:Cleanup/sandbox

 * Re:Template:Cleanup/sandbox

I reverted this - I think that it may be a better idea to make Category:Cleanup tagged articles without a reason field from April 2012 empty rather than put gigantic red error message on 174 articles Bulwersator (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I thought this was the intention for all post April 2012 uses. If you want it for uses from 1 May 2012, I can change it? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Archives problem
Please see Template talk:Archives. I think a recent edit broke the template. Johnuniq (talk) 23:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Responded there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * we now have a template loop in Talk:List of backmasked messages. I will see if I can find the exact cause of the problem. Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was able to fix the problems with this edit. perhaps we can make the template more robust when title and archivelist exist but are blank? Frietjes (talk) 16:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've done [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Archives&diff=495496951&oldid=495444793 this] to fix the template loop possibility. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks all. Not quite sure why this problem surfaced now because I don't think I changed that particular piece of code, but glad it's sorted! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Why are you blocking innocent users?
Just tell me why. Isabelline (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox shopping mall
Is there any way we can either a.) remove all the instances of the |parking= field, or b.) create a maintenance category for articles still using it? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In answer to your questions,
 * (a) yes, probably, with a bot
 * (b) yes, a tracking category could easily be added
 * but why bother doing either of these? The parameter will no longer display, it has been removed from the template documentation, and a few extra bytes of text is not doing any harm at all. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Suppressing Template:Cleanup
I noticed you have eliminated such instances of the template on articles that were added before the wide mandatory-reason discussion.

I went looking in category:articles needing cleanup and could not find the articles that you suppressed. This is such a huge change and within the purview of a bot. You cannot suppress the 10k+ instances through coding the template. I see 3 editors including yourself who had reached this mandate to change the template so this be implemented. I request that you remove the suppression; instead, I suggest removing the instances before the suppression-date, or going through the articles' history and sending out notifications for those who tagged the articles for cleanup.Curb Chain (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Curb Chain. I think you may have misunderstood: only new instances, tagged after 1 May 2012, are being suppressed. (By suppressed I mean the output of the template is replaced with an error message.) All earlier instances have not been affected. You can see Category:Cleanup tagged articles without a reason field for many examples. If you have an example which is being supressed when it shouldn't be, please direct me to this article and I will take a look. Note also that I have not been involved in the discussion that led to this change; I have only helped with the template coding. Best regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Category parameter on Template WikiProject Cornell
I just noticed you add a category parameter to the WikiProject template. What does that do? I think I need to do this to the other templates as well. I don't think a lot of them have it. Kumioko (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume that you're thinking of . Most WikiProject banners provide a category parameter, which is sometimes documented like this:


 * The parameter is therefore rarely used, but it's still a good idea for wrapper templates to pass it through, which is what Martin has done. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you I completely agree. I will go through the US supported ones and make sure thats in place. Kumioko (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * of valid usage of no - I amended it because parameter names are case-sensitive, and no wasn't recognised. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Stargate
I have created a proposal to rename this category into Category:Stargate task force, yet two suggested another name in the CFD. I wonder if you help improve the consensus there. --George Ho (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Texas
Thanks again but I was just wondering if we still need it to be protected since there are few articles under it anymore. Seems to me we can unprotect it now. Kumioko (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Template talk:Multiple issues
Ah yes, very sorry to keep you hanging Martin. I was almost feeling like I may have been doing a lot of talking on that thread, without any doing. I was perfectly aware that the pros were working very hard on that template behind the scenes, and didn't want to get in the way with a lot of noise. I had actually expected to see a bit more late response by now from other earlier participants or lurkers. I'll mention quickly that I've been totally impressed with your work so far on this, as well as your willingness and persistence to get it right. I'll return to that thread now for follow-up... see you there! :) -- WikHead (talk) 21:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, the talking was very useful. Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess there were a few times when I could have or should have jumped into that thread with an additional two cents... particularly with direct replies to User:Redrose64, which I found a bit late and hesitated in effort to not confuse the thread. I still owe her an apology for that, along with my explanation that she wasn't being ignored. As for the template itself, I was unsure when I posted the suggestion if it would gain any momentum, but absolutely astonished that we actually have a working model of it so quickly. I want to be one of the first wikipedians to start putting it to good use! -- WikHead (talk) 23:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Trout!
For, um, about seven and a half hours of the first two octets of all IPv4 addresses being displayed on their contributions pages. Not that anyone really cared.

This is really just an excuse to say hello; we haven't spoken in a long time. I hope all is well! &mdash; The Earwig   (talk)  06:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for fixing. Don't really understand what the problem was because I tested it on lots of IPv4 addresses and it seemed to work okay? Yes all is well, cheers! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Mansaf
Hello :) Would you please revert Mr. IP edits as you promised? for what have been added is not referenced and the references does not claim it. Thank you. NJT90 (talk) 08:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for following up on this. ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for fulfilling the edit request. Ryan Vesey Review me!  13:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:TreeList start
You might as well just delete all the templates I created, they have not been used yet, so redirecting is pointless. You created new ones instead. --UnQuébécois (talk) 17:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I think I'll wait until the TfD has been closed. By the way I didn't create anything, I just imported those templates from fr.wiki. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not something us lowly contributors can do, was not aware that that was the official procedure that had to be followed. My apologies for stepping out of bounds. Next time I decide to try and improve things, I'll just put a suggestion somewhere and avoid doing any unneeded work. --Education does not equal common sense. (talk) 18:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that's not the point I was trying to make at all, and you should not feel that way. I had no idea you were working on this stuff, otherwise I would have saved myself some work! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've deleted all of thes variants now &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Maintenance template cleanup
I appreciate the work you're doing in cleaning up the syntax of the maintenance templates, but please be careful that you're not losing other useful edits at the same time. For example, in these edits you effectively undid my edit a few days earlier that stopped the template from populating a category that has been deleted since 2009. A few days back I saw you effectively undid my application of unsubst to Template:No footnotes. Anomie⚔ 15:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, apologies. I just copied the code from the sandbox from a few days previously and did not notice you had edited in between. RE, Template:No footnotes, is there any reason why this particular template has the unsubst stuff and not any of the other templates? Because I would like to standardise these templates as much as possible and centralise code to the meta-template. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think unsubst can be in a metatemplate, because it depends too much on the details of the template it's being used on (specifically, you need to manually hand it all the useful parameters the template can accept so the invocation can be quined properly). Maybe once we get Scribunto it could be done, or at least done better.
 * I think the main reason it's not more widely used is that no one has gone through to apply it in any organized manner. I tend to apply it to an individual template when I'm looking at AnomieBOT's TagDater error log and see where someone has substed a maintenance template on several pages. Anomie⚔ 16:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

incomplete seems incomplete
Hi there, 1934 Western Australian National Football League season no longer appears in Category:Articles to be expanded from September 2011, possibly because of a change you made to Incomplete last week. Can you please have a look and see if you can work out why. Thanks The-Pope (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. The reason was that template was calling mbox instead of ambox. Fixed now hopefully. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * All seems good now. I did notice the strange no include around the A in annex, but wasn't sure why. Thanks for the quick fix. The-Pope (talk) 09:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Template change
Martin, can you please look here? I posted the message over 2 weeks ago and no response. I'd change the template myself (it's not fully protected), but I don't know enough to feel comfortable doing so, particularly with such a widely used template. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I commented there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 00:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks much.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Martin, this is your friendly wake-up call. :-) It's been over a week with no comments.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, now done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks much, Martin.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Sandboxes
Do you actually want your sandboxes deleted via Prod? Or was that some sort of test to see what Prod did on User/User Talk pages? Qwyrxian (talk) 03:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'd forgotten about that. Now blanked, cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Issue with Template:Cleanup
Hi MSGJ! I posted an edit request at Template talk:Cleanup. Looking a little further (which I guess I should have done before posting), it seems that the issue may be this edit. Could you please take a look at this for me? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind - it's been fixed by another editor. GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Drugbox
See Template talk:Drugbox again please. Nikos 1993 (talk) 11:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Some help
Hi.

I'm trying to merge two templates (and some related sub templates) and am running into issues. Think you have some time to help out? : ) - jc37 01:40, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll help if I can. But you may need to give me some more information (e.g. which template?) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be great! : )
 * The intended goal/plan was to have template:tfd (like template:cfd) link directly to the log page in question, rather than to WP:TFD. (which will require it to be subst'd, I believe)
 * However, tfd also allows for different appearances to the notice (tiny/inline/etc), while cfd allows for differences in type of notice (cfd/cfr/cfm/etc)
 * And what's more, I was running into problems due to the # switch in tfd (I think) I tried changing "type" to display, but that didn't help. (maybe the issue is that ombox may be different than cmbox?)
 * I think the solution may be to move the switch code a step or two up in the triple transclusion tiers. (tfd/tfd full/tfd all)
 * Note for testing purposes I'm using template:tfdtest rather than template:tfd.
 * Also, tfd apparently doesn't currently place the nominated pages into by-day categories, as cfd does.
 * Anyway, please look in my contribution history from a few days ago for the various pages and so on.
 * any help you could do with this would be most welcome : ) - jc37 14:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Happy to take a look. It might not be till next week though &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

&mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I preferred to start from scratch, so I haven't used any of your templates. Try {{subst:Tfd/sandbox}} and let me know of any error please. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Sometimes that's easier than untangling code (like missing braces and such : )
 * And it looks like it works (and you did it with 2 templates instead of 3 - presumably since there is no tfr/tfm/etc.)
 * I'll go ahead and delete the ones I worked up from copying the CfD templates.
 * If you would like to implement, that would be fine with me. - jc37 14:08, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I was just reading further up the talk page, and someone noted that template:tfm exists. So some of the other functionality of the CfD/CfM templates might be worth looking at? (I presume a TfR version of CfR isn't necessary since, unlike categories, templates are presumably easily renamed.) - jc37 18:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Rqst - Museum "Entity"
Please see my response HERE. Thank you, Mercy11 (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:46, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposal
Sorry I did not see that you had moved that to the talk page. edit conflicts are not your friends. I got an edit conflict, but my post was added to the page anyway without me submitting, and the edit conflict showed things removed. Very confusing.

Anyway, I trust you to do as you wish regarding that.

I merely strongly oppose changing the content of the user-right package mid discussion/polling. If this needs to be closed and a new proposal started, I can accept that, but to remove parts would seem to me to be disruptive of the consensus process.

I have personally been VERY careful regarding that when editing the proposal. Only adding clarifications and formatting. The user-right package contents have not changed since the first edit.

As always, I welcome your thoughts on this. - jc37 20:08, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:POV
Double here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:POV&diff=499269034&oldid=498565622  --91.10.58.107 (talk) 06:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, not sure how I managed that! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In fixing, you got it to use again, which I fixed because I'm sure it wasn't intended. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I must be going mad. Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, that's going straight on my user page. (Although the work is not finished yet ..) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but nothing on Wikipedia is actually "finished"... that's just part of the project's dynamics that helps keep things exciting. Seeing this template transpire from a rough, sketchy idea to deployment has me tickled pink regardless of what fine tuning may still be necessary. I look forward to working more with you in the future! :) -- WikHead (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent edit removing other editor's comments
Hi! In this edit, could you please explain on what basis you removed comments by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz, User:Black Kite, User:Jc37, User:Kudpung, User:Gigs? Thanks! (Possibly related: WP:TPOC) --Guy Macon (talk) 17:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Moving comments to a talk page is fairly common practice. - jc37 18:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Housekeeping - the comments have been moved to the talk page (see Wikipedia_talk:Village_pump (technical)/Proposal by Jc37) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I did not realize that it was a move, not a delete. Probably because the edit summary said "removing proposed amendment again, please discuss on talk page and only reinsert if consensus develops". Thanks for clearing that up for me. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that we've cleared that up, I propose to remove those comments again, because they are now appearing in two places and the discussion is split between the two different pages. There could be an argument for leaving the proposed amendment but the commentary is definitely misplaced. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:51, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Template moved
Where was this move of a template discussed? Debresser (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On the template talk page? — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks TTATO. Very briefly discussed on the talk page. Perhaps you can comment there if you oppose the move and I'll revert if necessary. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not that I oppose it. It is that there is a whole group of related templates with related names, based on t-f-d. I think that the group should be renamed as a whole or not, and only after that we should look at other fields like Afd or Cfd. But, as I have said yesterday already to another editor, if an edit can be considered to be okay, even if I don't particularly like it, I try not to touch it or make a point out of it. I just wanted to make sure that edits should be discussed beforehand. Debresser (talk) 08:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request
Got a wee job for you: Template talk:Signpost-subscription (since your last edit the collapse parameter has been malfunctioning, this will fix it :-) benzband  ( talk ) 09:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Ambox and Fix
I have a dream that ambox and fix should be alike as much as possible, possibly even merged with an "inline" parameter to make the difference. Can I get you warm for this idea? Debresser (talk) 08:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There is not much similarity between the appearances of the two templates so I don't think there is much benefit to it. However the categorisation is certainly similar and we should probably merge that code. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be a good start, and I am all for it. Debresser (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank You
My apologies for the error. Appreciate you fixing it. --Zurkhardo (talk) 07:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Multiple issues
Nice change - thanks! RichardOSmith (talk) 16:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Kumioko (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles
Who asked for this to be deleted?

JASpencer (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see one section up ↑ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Banner template question
Greetings to you and happy Tuesday. I had a question that I think I already know the answer too but wanted to ask anyway just in case I was wrong (it happens occassionally :-)). A couple of folks have suggested that the importances for supported projects within Template:WikiProject United States should be more prominant. Is it possible to apply the appropriate color to these importances as well as to that for the WPUS project? For example if you look at Talk:Rhode Island you can see that the importance for US is High but its Top for Rhode Island and its seems reasonable that the color be present. What do you think? Thanks in advance for the help. Kumioko (talk) 14:01, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The coloured rectangle is generated by Template:Importance (although the colour values themselves are in Template:Importance/colour). This template generates a cell for use in a table; it doesn't work as expected if used inline, as in


 * Even if you wrap it in , as in "(marked as

-importance)", it still doesn't display as desired. You'd need to modify Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces/taskforce at the very least. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Changes for this are in sandbox2 with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_United_States/sandbox2&diff=502866056&oldid=502865426 edit one] and edit two. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow that is awesome gentlemen thanks again for all the help. Kumioko (talk) 23:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the TPSs. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Regional Research Station
Next time you want to make a point, pick an action you don't agree with me about. Your really snarky passive aggressive comment on my talk page is obnoxious enough, but the fact that you don't disagree with me in any fundamental way is really the kicker. Seriously, I've never seen such a passive aggressive snipe on here directed at me, and trust me, i've had a lot of ire directed my way. I don't think anything you said was accurate or fair, and I hope you take a second before you respond to reflect on that. Shadowjams (talk) 12:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, the above was an overreaction on my part. Please accept my apologies. Shadowjams (talk) 05:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm dealing with a contentious issue with another editor lately and so that frustration boiled over into my response. I took some offense at your comment, but in retrospect I overreacted in my response. Shadowjams (talk) 05:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2011
Hi, greetings. Sorry to bother you, I haven't yet, and probably later won't either, have time to go into this in detail, but would you mind if I could ask you can rack your brain back to a year ago; does this ring a bell? As far as I can see a RM for this town failed 7 August 2011 and then moved anyway. As you tried to check the move of this article I'm wondering if you can remember back to any reason why it was still moved, despite the RM? (I myself am not convinced of the value of diacritics for Vietnamese place names, I'm just trying to get a handle on how exactly the Vietnam article titles almost all ended up having the accents and tones removed). If it doesn't ring any bells, no worries. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Reverted move
Hi there, seeing as you made a revert on this you probably have the right to be updated: back in 21 July 2011 you reverted this move, 7 days after your revert it was put forward for RM, the RM to move failed and was closed by admin User:Arbitrarily0 (talk) 02:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC) then on 27 August 2011 the Talk link to failed RM was deleted "(rm notice of close discussion)", and on 5 October 2011 the page moved anyway, and the redirect edited prevented any further revert. I have put in a RM to restore the conclusion of the original RM at Talk:Ca Mau, and I note that "Cf. My Tho or Da Nang" has just been used as a justification for another undiscussed move here. Given all of this it seems appropriate to inform you as the User who challenged the first attempt to move this. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This behaviour seems problematic. I will ask to comment here and then decide what action to take. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ouch
Indeed. Thanks for spotting that. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

QRpedia templates
Thanks for your fixes to QRpedia article; could you do the same for QRpedia, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * How's that looking now? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great; thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hang on; there seems to be a bug: described at QRpedia article template error. An example is on Talk:Captain Kidd's Cannon, where the stats URL generated is http://qrwp.org/stats.php?path=Captain+Kidd%26%2339%3Bs+Cannon but should be http://qrwp.org/stats.php?path=Captain_Kidd's_Cannon Can you fix it, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:12, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the + instead of _ issue with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_QRpedia&diff=503450769&oldid=503107738 this edit] but there are still other issues with that example link. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_QRpedia&diff=503453000&oldid=503450769 this edit], it works for your example as well. Are there any examples with an & in the title as it could do with testing on one of those. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't know of any ampersand examples off-hand, but I've tested in preview mode and it looks OK. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Kauffner
I've unblocked him. The block was punitive: he has made no moves since this went to ANI on the 21st or since the RM at Talk:Ca Mau, where Obi Wan brought this up on the 24th. In addition, Gimme's note was exactly that – a note – and I doubt even Gimme expected a response. I have unblocked before consulting you about this because (a) these poor blocks are exactly how we lose valued contributors, and (b) you do not appear to be very active on Wikipedia (before today your last edit was the 20th). Jenks24 (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

COI template
Hi, the admin there created a new template instead of reverting his changes. I'm not sure how to respond to what seems like a disingenuous action. Could you have a look? Insomesia (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters
You had tagged rhe cat Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters for deletion as "not used", but I checked it every day and got quite a few hits on a regular basis (and a few hundred when a parameter was deprecated). Is it replaced by another cat or is there another reason that it is no longer used? It was useful for me to do some maintenance, but if there is a better way to find these articles, just let me know! Fram (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Fram! This was very briefly discussed in Template talk:Multiple issues. I took out the code that populated this category for the following reasons:
 * The syntax it related to is now deprecated. It will still work, but editors are encouraged to use the new syntax, which is just putting ambox templates inside the multiple issues wrapper. In this case there is less issue about using deprecated parameters because template redirects will work just as well.
 * It added a huge amount of code and complexity to the template code. (You will notice that I managed to reduce the template code by 26kB.)
 * In my opinion, these tracking categories just create work for other editors. When an editor uses an incorrect parameter (on any template) they should be able to see that it is wrong when they save the edit, because the template does not produce the output they expect. If they don't even notice this, or they don't even bother to check, then I don't think we should put much priority on fixing it for them.
 * &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with the first two points, but for the third; (in the earlier situation) when a parameter got deprecated, there was no easy way to find all "multiple issues" templates that used that specific parameter; the maintenance cat took care of that issue. You are right that when you start by using an unsupported parameter, it's your own fault; but of course when a parameter becomes invalid afterwards, it's a bit unfair to blame the user that inserted it originally :-) Now that parameter redirects are supported in this template, this is no longer a problem.
 * Thanks for the explanation! Fram (talk) 09:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rest assured that the tracking category was completely empty when I removed the code, so any errors now will be new and not retrospective. Thanks for stopping by &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Your user page
Hello. I realise you may not have the highest opinion of me right now, but I'd like to ask if you could please put something (even a category) on your user page noting that you are admin. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ship project template
Thanks for the help in the sandbox area. When you have time please see the talk page where I've left some requests. Brad (talk) 04:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On my way. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can change the ships banner over to the meta one whenever you get the chance. I left some notes here. Thanks Brad (talk) 22:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
— Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 10:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion
As a "veteran", please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. mabdul 00:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Italic title at "R (Jackson) v Attorney General"
Any idea why Infobox court case is not causing the title of "R (Jackson) v Attorney General" to be properly italicized? It seems to be something to do with the parenthesis, though I don't know why this should be the case. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's the parenthesis: should fix it. The documentation at  isn't quite right. More info at . -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 20:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've fixed up the documentation. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarenco LLP
Hi there,

I am new to editing wikipedia articles. I am in the process of updating some of my companies pages for properties they own. I noticed that my articles have been taken down and reported. I understand that there are limitations on promotional material etc. I would feel grateful if you could please clarify what is promotional about my last Ackergill Tower edit that I need to remove? There is actually incorrect information on the current use of some of my companies properties and I need to rectify that.

Kind Regards,

Sian Abrahams (talk) 07:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can add factual information in a neutral fashion, but must be careful not to include biased or promotional language. Please see our policy on Conflict of interest for more details. Regarding your edit:
 * The word luxury is subjective and should probably be removed.
 * There was far too much information about Clarenco, which is not relevant to the article. (It would be relevant in an article about the company, if the company met inclusion criteria.)
 * You may not put external links in the body of an article. (Internal wikilinks may be included.)
 * Hope this helps. The protection of the article has expired and may be edited. However I urge caution, and if another editor reverts you as happened yesterday, do not simply redo the contested edit. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI. I have spammblocked Siam Abrahans today  for repeatedly  reinserting  the corporate information  for which  he was previously  finally warned last  week. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that is probably the right decision. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Parenthetical referencing editnotice
Template:Parenthetical referencing editnotice is not working. Someone edited it in February 2012. You seem to be the original author. Did it ever work. Did the February change break it? Jc3s5h (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In what way is it not working? For example, when I go to Actuary and click any edit link, I see the edit notice Template:Editnotices/Page/Actuary which consists of . -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that it does work for "Actuary". After a little investigation, I see that for articles, edit notices can only be added by administrators and account creators. I think the template documentation should be revised to explain how to use it, and that most editors can't use it. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's covered at WP:EDNO. The procedure for requesting that an editnotice be created is described at the bottom of WP:EDNO. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Assessment templates
Hi MSGJ, you seem to be the main editor of Template:Importance mask. I thought I'd ask for your input on the practicality of deprecating No-Importance. It's only used by a handful of projects and is used in an instance where NA-Importance would serve just as well. There's been discussion to deprecate at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment which I think has shown a consensus to do so, but none of us are entirely sure what templates would need to be edited to ensure it is deprecated. Hopefully you can give us a few hints! Thanks, Hiding T 08:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've replied over there. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Innocence of Muslims
This article is completely locked. How are you still editing it? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Administrators can edit fully protected articles. I have been attending to protected edit requests on the talk page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Signature
Thanks for the heads up...I saw the little glitch in my signature (haven't signed anything in some time) and didn't think anyone would notice...thanks again

Powered by the Human Spirit Mhotep (talk) 22:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Nithyananda
Dear Martin MSGJ, I noticed that you had noticed an editor war going on on this page, and agree with you that the person you have identified is posting biased material without regard for the updated facts. What in your opinion is the best way to sort this out? I dont want to add more chaos by adding in what I perceive as the correct information and references without supervision. Insight2010 (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The best way is to discuss changes on the talk page, and see if you can get a rough consensus there. Then, if someone is refusing to accept this consensus, I can block them. At the moment, I am not sure which version is "correct" because there is little discussion from other editors. (And actually, I warned both editors who were warring, not just one.) Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:45, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Request assistance with template
Hi Martin! I posted a request on Template talk:Cleanup-university to have someone add a non-required reason parameter to cleanup-university, similar to the parameter on cleanup, but haven't received any response. Based on all the experience you have working with the maintenance templates, is there any chance you'd be willing to look at this? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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Editnotice move
Hi Martin; if you hadn't done [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=MSGJ&page=Template%3AEditnotices%2FPage%2FWikipedia%3AImages this move], would Manual of Style/Images have failed to display the editnotice? It's something that I've been wondering about since I created [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_editnotice?hidelinks=1 a whole bunch of them] in the last few weeks. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you move a page and fail to move the editnotice template, then yes, the editnotice will fail to display. It's the existence of Template:Editnotices/Page/CURRENTPAGENAME which is checked. We should maybe update MediaWiki:Movepage-moved with a reminder to check this as well. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a look: and it seems to be present already, the check being just a few weeks after I registered. There have been amendments  but the primary test   is exactly the same. Since I've never noticed it being displayed, I can't have moved any pages that had an editnotice. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Mass page moves
Can you please take a moment to look at the recent page moves? User:Kauffner is moving tons of articles without any discussion. I tried to move it back to the original title, but cannot do so now because he spammed tags into every one. The articles should be moved back to the original titles, then he can make a request at requested moves, and there can be a discussion. He should not keep moving articles again when there is a disagreement. Jack Bufalo Head (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whereas this and this are not controversial? Kauffner (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, it was you who moved it first without discussion. Jack Bufalo Head (talk) 14:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Unreferenced
So, I disagree with this rationale :). Consistency is all well and good, but if the consistent format is inefficient or illogical, changes start by, well, starting. Do you agree/disagree with the actual change? How would you suggest I pursue this alteration? Ironholds (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. Why don't you bring it up on the talk page and see if anyone has an opinion? I'm not totally against ignoring consistency if there is a compelling reason. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Ambox
The issue / fix change really helps focus the text of the box. I added another request at Template talk:Ambox. Would you mind taking a look at it Template_talk:Ambox. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, MSGJ, for your helpful quick response at Template_talk:Article_history. Much appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Japanese script needed
While I agree that the name is now a better fit with the category, I can't find where the docs (in the blue box) have gone, and there isn't an example of how to use the template: (add ) or what it does (adds article to Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text). If I look at a before/after diff of your changes, I can see the script as it was, but I can no longer find the script in the current page. Also it looks very much as if the template still appears in some categories as Template:Japanese rather than its current name, suggesting that a double-redirect problem is the reason for not being able to find stuff. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello LittleBen, when I look at Template:Japanese script needed I can see the blue documentation box below and it does say how to use it (although I just tried to make it a bit clearer) and under the heading Categorisation it says what category is added. The difference is that this information is now constructed centrally rather than being held on the /doc page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin, if I click the edit box on Template:Japanese script needed, I can see only three lines. If I go back in the history to before your changes, I can see how the template is constructed and deduce what it does. Now I can't even guess where the documentation is coming from. (My understanding is/was that the convention is that template documentation is (supposed to be) in /doc). I see that you've added a description of how to use it: "add to article", but if I look at Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text, near the top it says to use  . (Similar comments apply to Template:Korean script needed and its associated category). (Separate unrelated issue: The template links at the top of Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text, which is used by Template:Chinese script needed are also broken). :-(   LittleBen (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to answer your question as best I can, it might help if you could explain what you are trying to achieve. If this is a general query about the benefits of using meta-templates on Wikipedia then I can try to explain that. Or if there is something amiss with this particular template that you are trying to fix, then I can help you with that as well. But as far as I can tell everything is currently working well and as intended. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sister templates
Hi Martin. Thanks for attempting to update the sister templates. I have responded to your request at Template_talk:Sister and Template_talk:Sister-inline. Cheers,  J ames A     >talk 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All updated hopefully now! Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It works perfectly. Thanks!  J ames A     >talk 10:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Japanese script needed
While I agree that the name is now a better fit with the category, I can't find where the docs (in the blue box) have gone, and there isn't an example of how to use the template: (add ) or what it does (adds article to Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text). If I look at a before/after diff of your changes, I can see the script as it was, but I can no longer find the script in the current page. Also it looks very much as if the template still appears in some categories as Template:Japanese rather than its current name, suggesting that a double-redirect problem is the reason for not being able to find stuff. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello LittleBen, when I look at Template:Japanese script needed I can see the blue documentation box below and it does say how to use it (although I just tried to make it a bit clearer) and under the heading Categorisation it says what category is added. The difference is that this information is now constructed centrally rather than being held on the /doc page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin, if I click the edit box on Template:Japanese script needed, I can see only three lines. If I go back in the history to before your changes, I can see how the template is constructed and deduce what it does. Now I can't even guess where the documentation is coming from. (My understanding is/was that the convention is that template documentation is (supposed to be) in /doc). I see that you've added a description of how to use it: "add to article", but if I look at Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text, near the top it says to use  . (Similar comments apply to Template:Korean script needed and its associated category). (Separate unrelated issue: The template links at the top of Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text, which is used by Template:Chinese script needed are also broken). :-(   LittleBen (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to answer your question as best I can, it might help if you could explain what you are trying to achieve. If this is a general query about the benefits of using meta-templates on Wikipedia then I can try to explain that. Or if there is something amiss with this particular template that you are trying to fix, then I can help you with that as well. But as far as I can tell everything is currently working well and as intended. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sister templates
Hi Martin. Thanks for attempting to update the sister templates. I have responded to your request at Template_talk:Sister and Template_talk:Sister-inline. Cheers,  J ames A     >talk 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All updated hopefully now! Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It works perfectly. Thanks!  J ames A     >talk 10:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Japanese script needed
While I agree that the name is now a better fit with the category, I can't find where the docs (in the blue box) have gone, and there isn't an example of how to use the template: (add ) or what it does (adds article to Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text). If I look at a before/after diff of your changes, I can see the script as it was, but I can no longer find the script in the current page. Also it looks very much as if the template still appears in some categories as Template:Japanese rather than its current name, suggesting that a double-redirect problem is the reason for not being able to find stuff. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello LittleBen, when I look at Template:Japanese script needed I can see the blue documentation box below and it does say how to use it (although I just tried to make it a bit clearer) and under the heading Categorisation it says what category is added. The difference is that this information is now constructed centrally rather than being held on the /doc page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin, if I click the edit box on Template:Japanese script needed, I can see only three lines. If I go back in the history to before your changes, I can see how the template is constructed and deduce what it does. Now I can't even guess where the documentation is coming from. (My understanding is/was that the convention is that template documentation is (supposed to be) in /doc). I see that you've added a description of how to use it: "add to article", but if I look at Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text, near the top it says to use  . (Similar comments apply to Template:Korean script needed and its associated category). (Separate unrelated issue: The template links at the top of Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text, which is used by Template:Chinese script needed are also broken). :-(   LittleBen (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to answer your question as best I can, it might help if you could explain what you are trying to achieve. If this is a general query about the benefits of using meta-templates on Wikipedia then I can try to explain that. Or if there is something amiss with this particular template that you are trying to fix, then I can help you with that as well. But as far as I can tell everything is currently working well and as intended. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sister templates
Hi Martin. Thanks for attempting to update the sister templates. I have responded to your request at Template_talk:Sister and Template_talk:Sister-inline. Cheers,  J ames A     >talk 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All updated hopefully now! Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It works perfectly. Thanks!  J ames A     >talk 10:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template typo
Hi MSGJ! Sorry to say that I have another typo in the template "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Period_color". The stage "Darriwilian" is spelled with only one "r". Thank you for your help with this! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * [[File:PissedOff.gif]]. :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Jab Tak Hai Jaan
Hello sir,You may not know about that but for boxoffice section regarding bollywood films ,there is a consensus that we use only boxofficeindia.com not boxofficeindia.co.in(or other websites) as a reliable source.Then please change it with earlier figures.For example,you make check other complete articles related to bollywood films.Thanx ---zeeyanketu  talk to me 18:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it when I get a chance. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Japanese script needed
While I agree that the name is now a better fit with the category, I can't find where the docs (in the blue box) have gone, and there isn't an example of how to use the template: (add ) or what it does (adds article to Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text). If I look at a before/after diff of your changes, I can see the script as it was, but I can no longer find the script in the current page. Also it looks very much as if the template still appears in some categories as Template:Japanese rather than its current name, suggesting that a double-redirect problem is the reason for not being able to find stuff. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello LittleBen, when I look at Template:Japanese script needed I can see the blue documentation box below and it does say how to use it (although I just tried to make it a bit clearer) and under the heading Categorisation it says what category is added. The difference is that this information is now constructed centrally rather than being held on the /doc page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin, if I click the edit box on Template:Japanese script needed, I can see only three lines. If I go back in the history to before your changes, I can see how the template is constructed and deduce what it does. Now I can't even guess where the documentation is coming from. (My understanding is/was that the convention is that template documentation is (supposed to be) in /doc). I see that you've added a description of how to use it: "add to article", but if I look at Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text, near the top it says to use  . (Similar comments apply to Template:Korean script needed and its associated category). (Separate unrelated issue: The template links at the top of Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text, which is used by Template:Chinese script needed are also broken). :-(   LittleBen (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to answer your question as best I can, it might help if you could explain what you are trying to achieve. If this is a general query about the benefits of using meta-templates on Wikipedia then I can try to explain that. Or if there is something amiss with this particular template that you are trying to fix, then I can help you with that as well. But as far as I can tell everything is currently working well and as intended. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sister templates
Hi Martin. Thanks for attempting to update the sister templates. I have responded to your request at Template_talk:Sister and Template_talk:Sister-inline. Cheers,  J ames A     >talk 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All updated hopefully now! Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It works perfectly. Thanks!  J ames A     >talk 10:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template typo
Hi MSGJ! Sorry to say that I have another typo in the template "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Period_color". The stage "Darriwilian" is spelled with only one "r". Thank you for your help with this! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * [[File:PissedOff.gif]]. :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Jab Tak Hai Jaan
Hello sir,You may not know about that but for boxoffice section regarding bollywood films ,there is a consensus that we use only boxofficeindia.com not boxofficeindia.co.in(or other websites) as a reliable source.Then please change it with earlier figures.For example,you make check other complete articles related to bollywood films.Thanx ---zeeyanketu  talk to me 18:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it when I get a chance. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Japanese script needed
While I agree that the name is now a better fit with the category, I can't find where the docs (in the blue box) have gone, and there isn't an example of how to use the template: (add ) or what it does (adds article to Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text). If I look at a before/after diff of your changes, I can see the script as it was, but I can no longer find the script in the current page. Also it looks very much as if the template still appears in some categories as Template:Japanese rather than its current name, suggesting that a double-redirect problem is the reason for not being able to find stuff. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello LittleBen, when I look at Template:Japanese script needed I can see the blue documentation box below and it does say how to use it (although I just tried to make it a bit clearer) and under the heading Categorisation it says what category is added. The difference is that this information is now constructed centrally rather than being held on the /doc page. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin, if I click the edit box on Template:Japanese script needed, I can see only three lines. If I go back in the history to before your changes, I can see how the template is constructed and deduce what it does. Now I can't even guess where the documentation is coming from. (My understanding is/was that the convention is that template documentation is (supposed to be) in /doc). I see that you've added a description of how to use it: "add to article", but if I look at Category:Articles needing Japanese script or text, near the top it says to use  . (Similar comments apply to Template:Korean script needed and its associated category). (Separate unrelated issue: The template links at the top of Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text, which is used by Template:Chinese script needed are also broken). :-(   LittleBen (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to answer your question as best I can, it might help if you could explain what you are trying to achieve. If this is a general query about the benefits of using meta-templates on Wikipedia then I can try to explain that. Or if there is something amiss with this particular template that you are trying to fix, then I can help you with that as well. But as far as I can tell everything is currently working well and as intended. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sister templates
Hi Martin. Thanks for attempting to update the sister templates. I have responded to your request at Template_talk:Sister and Template_talk:Sister-inline. Cheers,  J ames A     >talk 01:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All updated hopefully now! Cheers &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It works perfectly. Thanks!  J ames A     >talk 10:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template typo
Hi MSGJ! Sorry to say that I have another typo in the template "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Period_color". The stage "Darriwilian" is spelled with only one "r". Thank you for your help with this! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * [[File:PissedOff.gif]]. :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Jab Tak Hai Jaan
Hello sir,You may not know about that but for boxoffice section regarding bollywood films ,there is a consensus that we use only boxofficeindia.com not boxofficeindia.co.in(or other websites) as a reliable source.Then please change it with earlier figures.For example,you make check other complete articles related to bollywood films.Thanx ---zeeyanketu  talk to me 18:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it when I get a chance. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Bitcoin as a Ponzi Scheme
Hi there. Please be advised proposals are being solicited for replacement text for the discussion you entered at Talk:Bitcoin. prat (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

VTE edit link
Hold on, I'm making changes there for a reason. Lets discuss stuff here first or on my sandbox. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 06:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've now given you two different methods to solve the problem, and I've described why your current approach is not sensible. And now you are starting to edit war with me, so I am going to disengage. Not sure why I bothered trying to help. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Well you see, I respect your opinion, but you need to understand that it's just that: your opinion. You beleive it's not sensible but I beleive that it makes perfect sense, else we wouldn't even be having this conversation.


 * Perhaps I should explain you the issue so that you can understand what I'm trying to accomplish?


 * By allowing to specify the target, the editor has the option to separate the transcluded content from the template. The problem is that the template includes additional text that goes against what the user is trying to do. The user is trying to edit a list of links but when he clicks 'edit' he finds a bunch of wiki text in addition to the list of links. My feature fixes that problem.


 * You need to realize that VTE is not part of the MediaWiki software, it's a user created template. It's not solely for templates, it can be used for anything. I'm just adding more features to it.


 * Since you are an Administrator and I'm not, you have the authority to veto my request, but I, as an editor, have the ability to create a different template that incorporates the features I want. This is exactly how Wikipedia is intended to work. Leave the template where it's right now, we need to explore new horizons and take risks to progress.


 * I appreciate your good faith, but stuff like this is expected to happen in crowdsourced platforms, don't get frustrated.


 * &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 07:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You've got it all wrong. I certainly have no right to veto. I act based on consensus, and if your proposed edit was supported by consensus I would apply it. Conversely, you have no automatic right to keep separate versions of templates on the project, because the existence of every page is subject to community approval. As you have reverted my redirect, I intend to take it to WP:TFD in due course. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You don't understand. WP:IAR stands above all else, even above WP:CONSENSUS. WP:IAR is an official rule, WP:CONSENSUS is just a policy. There is a difference between the two. I strongly advise you to not escalate this further as doing so would be a disruption per WP:DISRUPTPOINT, WP:GAMING, and WP:WINNER. It seems to be a groundstand on WP:DELETIONISM. I have finished editing the template at WikiProject Puerto Rico/Requested articles which clearly shows the need for this feature. It seems you are not even trying to understand my point and want to embark on a crusade to prove that "I was right and you were wrong". WP:LETITGO &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Sheryl Crow
Hi It has been a really long time since I worked on any pages. I recently came back to work on pages for Caron Wheeler and saw your note about moving Sheryl Crow page. I just wanted to say thank you, even if it is almost a year late.

Aenkiel (Elijah) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenkiel (talk • contribs) 20:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Almost two years actually! Anyone, you're welcome &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Articles for creation needs YOUR help!
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Maintenance templates mass edits
Please see User_talk:Remember_the_dot. Debresser (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Umbox
Could you please take a look into a small request I put on the talk of umbox? That would be great. Thank you and Merry Christmas, Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 19:34, 20 December 2012 (UTC)