User talk:MSJapan/Archive 12

Michael Glyn Brown
You need to finish the deletion nomination process. There's no place to discuss this. The template will be removed in 24 hours, if you don't complete it. Thanks. —  Wylie pedia  03:18, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The entire process was executed via automatic script through Twinkle. The article page is appropriately tagged (afd1), the discussion page exists and has content (afd2), and it's correctly placed in the log (afd3).  The original author was also already notified.  Can you be a little more specific about what the problem is? Entries from my contribs are as follows, and note the timestamp:


 * 01:26, 10 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+1,101)‎ . . User talk:WhisperToMe ‎ (Notification: listing at articles for deletion of Michael Glyn Brown. (TW))
 * 01:26, 10 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+55)‎ . . Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 November 10 ‎ (Adding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Glyn Brown. (TW))
 * 01:26, 10 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+401)‎ . . Michael Glyn Brown ‎ (Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Glyn Brown. (TW)) (current) [rollback: 1 edit]
 * 01:26, 10 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+1,216)‎ . . N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Glyn Brown ‎ (Creating deletion discussion page for Michael Glyn Brown. (TW))
 * MSJapan (talk) 04:47, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * For some reason, the discussion link is showing as a redlink, but yet, when clicked, takes you to it. At the time, I thought the process was incomplete. Sorry, carry on. —  Wylie pedia  06:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. That seems to have been the case every time I have done them, so it must be something related to Twinkle. MSJapan (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013
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Red link reversion
I noticed just now that you reverted a red link I created,, and I wondered why you did that. Oliver was a prolific author on freemasonry, of over 20 books: see Oliver, George (1782-1867). He merits an article, and the red link was well within Red link. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:46, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It apparently made such a difference that it took you 2.5 years to notice it. If he merits an article, write it - nobody has done so in either Wikipedia's ten-year history or the 2.5 years since I reverted that link; I'd say, therefore, that an article was not "created soon".  The editing guideline you cited states very clearly that there is an additional guideline in its introduction, called "Write the article first".  Further along in that guideline, it says "red links to personal names should be avoided".  So, in fact, my reversion was entirely correct in hindsight, wasn't it? MSJapan (talk) 18:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

First, please be civil. We are, after all, colleagues, and I asked you a question for information. WP:WTAF does not apply here, and is an essay only, not a guideline, about list pages, disambiguation pages, templates, see also sections.

There are still over 8000 articles in the Dictionary of the National Biography to add: there were many more then, and they don't get done overnight. To quote again: "Good red links help Wikipedia—they encourage new contributors in useful directions, and remind us that Wikipedia is far from finished." WP:WP DNB is possibly the largest of the missing article projects. It would not be particularly easy to find that reference to George Oliver again: it was surname only. I presume that is why it seemed worthwhile to me to link it, once I identified it.

Second, your temporal argument is flawed, given that removing the link instantly is not the way to get any article created, is it? The link was piped, and there was no BLP issue to be concerned about there. The rationale you cite does not apply in any very telling way.

I have your reason, then, which is that you reverted without comment, as a minor edit, three hours later, because you felt the guideline justified so doing. From my point of view it didn't; and if I had created the article in the short or medium term, in fact half a day later, the reversion would have been a negative. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:40, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

GOCE March drive wrapup
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Request for translation: List of sources for an article
MSJapan, on the Reference desk someone recommended using the list of translators in response to a request. Are you willing to translate portions of or all of the list of references on this page? es:Wikipedia discusión:Consultas de borrado/Liceo Mexicano Japonés? It is for an AFD on the Spanish Wikipedia. This is so Spanish-speaking editors can understand what Japanese references exist about the subject. You are welcome to translate the references into English.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 11:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I will get to it within 24 hours. MSJapan (talk) 10:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

English-Japanese Translation
Hello MSJapan! I'm looking for a Japanese-speaking editor who has the time and interest to update the Japanese AIG page. It looks like it could use some TLC to bring it up to speed with the English article. Thanks! MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 16:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

December 2014 GOCE newsletter
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GOCE holiday 2014 newsletter
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GOCE 2014 report
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February 2015 GOCE newsletter
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February 2015
Sony Music Entertainment owns the Buddah Records catalogue. Sony Music also owns Flying Buddha Records. Any time a record company revives an old name, it becomes a continuation of the article about the old record label. Dot Records is a more recent example thanks to its revival by a unit of Universal Music Group which owns the original Dot Records catalogue. They also revived the original Dot Records logo. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter
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April 2015 GOCE newsletter
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Grand Lodge of Freemasonry for Men and Women
I think you were off the grid when we discussed the necessity of external references for GLs. In this instance, this reference shows that there is no financial movement - no income, no outgoings - they're gone.

This is typical of unsuccessful schisms, and I smelled a rat when I realised they had split over the GAOTU omission. The mystical nature of Freemasonry in English DH lodges makes it inherently unattractive to atheists. Somebody threw teddy out of the pram. These schisms are not infrequent at a lodge level, as the Theosophists manage to fall out with everybody else. I can't document this (yet) but my personal research tells me that the Horus lodge of the Golden Dawn resurrected themselves three years after their apparent demise, hidden inside the local Droit Humain lodge in Leeds. I met a member who told me about it's intermittent functioning down to the 1990s, then another fall-out. Their ritual gear, and their original warrant, are now being used by a GD group in Halifax.

BTW, welcome back. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 21:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Preuss et al.
First of all - calm down. Axelrod is the least worthy source, true, but I went to his sources and their sources - Alvin Schmit's book was a scholarly book written in 1979, and Preuss 1922 and Stevens 1899 were the main sources for both books. I went to the sources of my sources until I could go no further. So times I could go to old magazines and newspapers that had the information. Sometimes all I could find was these old reference books. What is so wrong with that? If more recent information about these orders is in order than get a published, reliable source so you can write that into the article. Just the Shriners webpage is not an ideal source.

As for womens groups being under side degrees - well there are women's appendent versions of side degrees, are there not?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

No offense, but all this hair-spliting about the differences between an appendent body, a side degree, a womans degree etc. seems like semantics. There are womens organizations related to the Shriners, yes? Ok, then if the Shriners are a side degree then doesn't that at least make the womens group relevant to a list of side degrees? I mean the page as a sort of hub for the different side degrees and their related groups. I guess we could reformat the list if you really think that is necessary.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Here, I reformated the Side Degree page to "List of Side Degrees and related bodie

List of Side degree and related bodies

Will this satisfy your objections?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 23:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but the article has information about non-Masonic bodies as well. BTW, I have answered your objections to the List of American ethnic and religious fraternal orders on its AFD page.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

GOCE June 2015 newsletter
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Scott Disick
This article has been re-created and is at AfD for the fourth time. Your comments will be welcome. I am notifying everyone who contributed to the previous AfDs. JohnCD (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Birthdate and birthplace
Apropos Birthdate and birthplace and OTRS: See WP:DOB. --Elvey(t•c) 04:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)