User talk:MTHarden/Archives/2011/August

Welcome!
Hello MTHarden, welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place   on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. MartinPoulter (talk) 18:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

And let me welcome you to the Neuroscience WikiProject too! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Message
Hi! I just saw your email inquiring about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program. I encourage you check out the Ambassadors pages, where you can find assorted resources--and examples of current classes--that might be useful for your own classroom project.

And if you'd like to chat some time, by IRC or Skype or somesuch, let me know and we can figure out whether and how your plans can fit into the ambassador program. Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:04, 15 April 2011

Help me
I'm a bit unsure about what to do with this page: Animal model of depression. I wrote on the talk page that I think a lot of the information is covered elsewhere in a general page on Animal model and on pages for specific animal tests (like Open Field (animal test), Forced swim test, Tail suspension test, Morris water navigation task). But this has led me to a larger issue as I'm also unsure about the intersection of WikiProject Animal rights and WikiProject Neuroscience/WikiProject Psychology - Understandably the WPAR folks are staunchly pro-animal while I am an animal researcher that accepts the ethical treatment of lab animals. I want to produce articles about the specifics of animal models (like the open field article above) in the behavioral sciences that are NPOV and hopefully valuable to all above projects, but now I'm unsure how to organize such pages.


 * I'm not sure what your question is; I've just spent some time briefly reading over those articles - to familiarize myself with the topic a little. I can understand concerns over bias, neutrality, balance, and so on - which of course will be significant factors in articles in this area. But, I do not understand what you are asking re. how to organize pages.


 * I think the main point here is...just go for it. If you want to write articles (and add to existing ones), then go ahead.


 * I will leave the help request in place; it's possible another helper might have ideas - but otherwise, unless you have a more specific question, I'm not sure what to say; it seems you are aware of the importance of neutrality - so, great. Dive in, have a go; "worst case" is, someone will remove your edits - in which case, you can discuss it with them (see also WP:BRD). It's a wiki, so anything can be done, undone, redone, and so forth. Hope that helps a little; do feel free to ask me anything you like, any time, on my talk page. Best,  Chzz  ► 15:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. Oh, and if you ever want to chat to me about any such matters, you can do so with this link.  Chzz  ► 15:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chzz, to state my questions explicitly, "Should there be separate pages for animal models, animal models of depression, and individual tests used for animal research (some of which are used in animal models of depression)?" also, "Do articles about specific animal tests belong in WPAR?" I'm just trepidatious about making organizational changes for some reason. Maybe I'll just give it a shot. Thanks! --MTHarden (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

It was nice chatting to you; do call in, any time

Just before you left, I was about to ask if you knew about 'user space drafts'. I'll show you here, what I mean:

If I put, right here, User:MTHarden/some draft page then it'll make a link to that page - which, as it does not yet exist, will be red - like so: User:MTHarden/some draft page

You could click that, and just type something, and save it.

Once it exists, the link here will be blue.

So - you could use pages like that to play around - especially useful if you're toying with splitting an article, or writing a new one, or whatever.

As long as your link starts with [[User:MTHarden/, then it's in your user-space. Others can see it, and edit it - but nobody will bother much, and you can experiment and build up new articles there (or copy over and rewrite existing ones).

You can make as many 'user space draft' pages as you like. An easy convenient way is, to list them (as links) on your user page. That way, you can easily get back to them, any time.

Hope that helps. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh - and, just to directly answer your question, above: if there is "significant coverage in reliable sources" about a topic, then yes, we should have an article on it. If there isn't, we shouldn't. WP:VRS gives a quick summary, and there's more detail in WP:N.


 * I'll cancel out this 'helpme' now, because hopefully your question has been answered. Feel free to use another, any time. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I just got back from my family camping trip today and it took me a little while to figure everything out, but i finally cited a source on the Howard Gardner page. I started a new section called "Furthering Education" because it appears to be a goal of Gardner to use his M.I. theory to better the education system. There is not a whole lot of info there yet but i figured it would be a start. --Rushdwb (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I have found a few good reviews with Howard Gardner on youtube and I would like to quote some of the things that he says in these interviews to put into his wikipedia article. Can I quote someone in that manner? If i can, how do i go about doing that? thanks for the help! --Rushdwb (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Week 2
I have worked on the wikipedia project and I am trying to follow the timeline, but I am still very confused. I am not sure if the part that I just did is correct or not. I am trying to follow your step by step instructions, but I don't know if I am in the ballpark. My intention is to write on sports psychology and I tried to edit the page by making a suggestion on what I would like to add. I have also add the topic next to my name and created the user page with the 3 articles. I am not sure what the next step is. Can you please assist me?[[WheelsDudley]

I deleted the section that I added to the highway hypnosis article. My apologies I didn't know how to quote correctly apparently in an article. I don't know how to post the articles to this page here, but here are the names, highway hypnosis, Mental block, negativity effect, Optimalism, paraphasia,and religious instinct.(AMJonesPT (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)) I also added one, Paranoid Schizophrenia. How do we determine the importance of the article and what is the page namespace? (AMJonesPT (talk) 04:28, 29 June 2011 (UT I added a sandbox and I chose my article Optimalism (AMJonesPT (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC)) I wrote another critique on the optimalism article kind of as a way to show you how I am thinking to expand it. (AMJonesPT (talk) 21:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)) I added a couple sources to the Optimalism article. (AMJonesPT (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)) I have a wrote a little bit in my sandbox for my artilce and included the sources, however I am having trouble with the formatting for the citations. (AMJonesPT (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2011 (UTC)) And I added some sources to the talk page of my article Optimalism (AMJonesPT (talk) 20:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)) I am trying to upload a picture on the article but it tells me I have the wrong MIME name for the file, so I don't know what I need to change exactly. (AMJonesPT (talk) 21:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC))

Hello! I have completed week 2 assignments. Thanks!! (MKTownley (talk) 05:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)).

I completed my week two assignment and provided information on my second choice on my page. Jlloyd1122 (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Mary Hunt here who is having a wonderful time figuring this stuff out. I think I have so far but not to sure. I gave a suggestion on night terrors on how they can improve the article on the discussion page, then researched 3 topics night terrors, mood swings, and caffeine- induced sleep disorder. Asked 2 students for comments, and added new info w/ source citing on night terrors- i don't quite know where to go to see all this you im sure do, and then I went ahead and chose my topic and that is Night Terrors. Thank You!!!!!--Mkhunt (talk) 17:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey! I completed week 2 assignment!-- Dmw2 (talk) 18:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello, sir! I have done some of the required tasks that you so cheerily ask of me. I have chosen my topic (hot cognition), I edited the page and EVEN cited it. So check it out!!! (Ng179320 (talk) 06:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC))

Hola! I did my week 2 assignment and posted it on my discussion page :) Kehr47 (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Good afternoon! I've done the week 2 and 3 assignments. I think.... I made a mess of a page trying to cite a sentence that I added. I think I got it back to normal. We'll see. Hopefully you won't get any hate mail from Wikipedia about me... Have a great weekend. JMC554466 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC).

Hey! I critiqued Sunday Night Blues on the discussion page. I'm not sure if that is the type of critique you were looking for. See you Wednesday! -- Kristinafreund (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC).

Hey-oh! Finished up week 2 assignments now freshening up the week 3 ones. I added a contents box.. I think.. to expand on theories and examples for the social disruption article I'm working on. Also figured out how to add a photo.... yay. Looking forward to collecting more information and editing the page, Happy Fourth of July! --Moderndope (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC) Added a few sentences to the article, noticed that the image got a copyright issue but I have no idea how to fix that. --Moderndope (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Mr Hardin, yesterday I had tried to follow the instructions for all the weeks through week 4 on the topic of sports psychology. Today after we talked, I am changing my topic to performance psychology. I followed the instructions that you wrote listing my topic next to my name, elatuating the page and adding a sentence with a citation. If you could please let me now if I am on the right track following what I did yesterday and what I have done so far today, I would greatly appreciate it. Also regarding this topic, since it is a broad field and can go in many directions I am looking for suggestions on how to narrow it down. I was thinking about discussing the factors that can influence performance in any field like motivation, confidence, committment, etc. Can you let me know if that is what you were thinking or if you have a better suggestion? Thanks :(WheelsDudley (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WheelsDudley (talk • contribs)

Mr Harden, I have e-mailed and tried to seek your help on this page. I must not be doing something right. I see responses to other people. Can I please schedule a block of time to go over as much as possible with you early tomorrow morning July 8th or Monday July 11th after class? I thought I had completed the assignments through week 4 but I see have not received any points. Now I had to change topics and I am starting over, but I need guidance. Also will I be eligible for points? I am doing my best and this class is very important to me and that I pass, but this computer project is highly difficult and I don't understand. I have done a lot of research on my topics - reading and discussing articles - but I don't know what to do now. Can you please call or text me because I am not seeing any of your responses on these pages or in my e-mails? Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you (WheelsDudley (talk) 17:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC))

Hey Mitch, Just finished a little bit on my article about sobriety. I mostly focused on the law enforcment aspect becuase I felt that it was the easiest information to access and some of the other topics that could be expanded on would be harder to get information about. I'm still trying my best to get as much information as I can. B englert10 (talk) 23:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Mr Harden, I think I have completed all the assignments for all weeks up to the point of where I now need to copy and edit two of my classmates wiki pages. Not quite sure how to do that but I will try. Once I was able to create the user page and I picked the topic on sports spychology, I did the critial evaluation of the sports psychology page leaving a suggestion on how it could be improved, I listed the three articles that I would have also been interested in modifying and I had added a citation on the sports psychology page. After speaking with you and changing my topic to Peroformance Psychology - I did the same thing. I added the topic next to my name, did a crital evaluation of the current page with a suggestion on how to improve it and I added a citation. Not sure if I did that right I had to go in seveal times to get it to work. I compiled and added the bibliograpghy of the sources that I have read and may be using so far, but I am sure that will change as I start writing my article. I added the summary of the content I think I want to improve on this page along with the roadmap of how I think I want to do it. This is where I would like your input and suggestions. I have added a table of contents and formatted it so that I can update the information easier into various sections. I am also trying to figure out how to do the "Did you know" assignment and I am selecting two classmates that I will need to do a peer-review on. Can you please let me know if I am missing anything or if I am on the right track. I need any suggestions or advice you have. Thanks (WheelsDudley (talk) 15:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)) Hey! So I fixed my article the other day and forgot to tell you. So in case you didn't see it I thought I would let you know. --Dmw2 (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I upload an image for my article to Wikipedia but there are copyright issues so I may talk to you tomorrow about it. I peer reviewed two articles Coping Strategies and Illusion of transparency. they are listed on the talk pages. Thanks (AMJonesPT (talk) 04:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC))

Week 3
If instead of using the sandbox you made a considerable addition to your article (using the references in your chosen bibliography) in the wikipedia main space, just notify me here and I'll give you credit for the "Sandbox Version" grade item. --MTHarden (talk) 16:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

OK - I will let you know when I have down this - not quite sure how to do it yet. I thought the directions said we only had to use the sandbox if we were creating a new article not to expand one. (WheelsDudley (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC))

I put my article that I'm working on in a sandbox on my main page and added a reference list to the article discussion page.

B englert10 (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

There is now a sandbox on my user page and a reference list on the discussion page of Nervous Laughter. --Kristinafreund (talk)

I didn't think I had to create a link to sandbox because the way the directions read, I thought it was only used if you created a new article not expanding one. So now there is a link on my user page that will bring you to my article discussion page. I am not sure if that is what you are asking for - can you please let me know? I have also resubmitted my hook to the DYK- for some reason my picture had disappeared. I can use some help on the new article submission part of the assignment also. Thanks (WheelsDudley (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC))

I have added the article I will be editing & I have left a suggestion onto the article Forgetting, which I also made a cited addition to under the history tab. Hoopin4me (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Hardin, I have created the sandbox so you can find the link to it now! Thanks! Eware1 (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Professor Hardin, My sandbox has been created and a link is on my page now, however I am having difficulty putting a link on here for you. I originally put all this information on the talk page for the Howard Gardner article. My plans and changes for the article are pretty much the same as they were before and I am starting to work on them this weekend. thank you! --Rushdwb (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Hardin, I have made the sandbox link for Seymour S. Kety. It is located on my user page. Thanks! (hhearst (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC).

I made my sandbox a few days ago. I forgot to post here that I had done it until now. --Keith Siebel (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have finally put up my bibliography of four sources as of now. I will have my article completed this weekend. JMC554466 (talk) 02:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Hardin, I know the class if over practically, but I did not know our sandbox had a talk page on it. On July 19 I moved all my information from my sandbox into the mainspace. You told me to tell you but I just found out and saw my talk page so I am telling you nine days later to be on the safe side. Hrt4Music 22:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heart4music (talk • contribs)

Week 5 & 6
Mr Harden, I am not sure what week we are on - with the actual dates due, however, I have moved my article to the main page and will continue working on it from there. I wasn't sure what to do with the information that was already posted by someone else. So I left it on the page as well. I didn't want to delete anybody elses work. Is that correct? As I asked earlier, I also could use some direction on the "Good Article" Submission and approval process. This is worth a lot o points and I can't afford to lose them Can you please provide some guidance and direction? The DYK process is still a bit confusing as well - but I am trying. By the way I have also conducted the peer review on 2 of my classmates articles. It appears they were just starting so it was minimal suggestions. I am not sure what to do next regarding that part of the assignment as well. Thank you (WheelsDudley (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC))

Week 7 & 8
Got a few questions, I did the sandbox thing I don't know if i need to show you in class monday, and you also said I never created an account????? I will have to show you on monday I am not sure why it's not showing up but I did the sandbox thing on time as well.--Mkhunt (talk) 06:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC) Me again 7/19/2011 I posted a bunch of info. on my Night Terrors site just thought I would let you know.--Mkhunt (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Ok sorry to bother you again, I did finish week 3 before July 12, 2011. I talked with you in class on Monday and you said it was ok.I just want to make sure I got the points for this. Thank You!--Mkhunt (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering about the extra credit assignment from Week 1. I noticed I had not recieved credit for it. I emailed it to you, because I had a hard time uploading it onto the Moodle website. Did you ever recieve this?JMC554466 (talk) 02:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC) I have worked on my wikipedia assignment and finished my 2 evaluations. I also completed Section 3's journal entry. I looked back and noticed it was not done. Thanks.JMC554466 (talk) 13:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. So I am all caught up on wikipedia now. I finished the student review assignment and I believe I completed the DYK submission. I also just wrote the wikipedia project reflection paper. Everything should be good to go. (Ng179320 (talk) 19:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)) Hello, I have tried to put another pic up and it keeps deleting it. Also I have a question about when people erase your stuff, I had a lot of info that got deleted for some reason and now it's not 5 times longer what do I do??? And I did complete the DYK submission.--Mkhunt (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey Mitch,

I know I was late on submitting the review peers part of the assignment, but I completed it on saturday I believe. Just wanted to let you know before final grades are posted.

Cheers, B englert10 (talk) 19:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia editing in courses
Hi! I came upon a submission at Template talk:Did You Know by one of your students, went to the submitter's talkpage with the intention of leaving a note after fixing up the article a bit, and thereby discovered your course just after it ended. I regret that no one apparently discovered it sooner, because there is help available for educators who wish to use Wikipedia editing as part of a course; see School and university projects, and had the community known about it in advance, we could have given more assistance to your students as well, in the spirit of collaborative editing. I note as examples that someone has accepted the article I helped with and it is now in prep for appearance on the Main Page, whereas it had previously been rejected because the article creator did not continue to improve it after the last week of the course, and that there was considerable discussion at the DYK submissions page over whether another article by one of your students was on a topic discrete from another that already has an article. If a few editors knowledgeable in the field (as I am not) had known about the course, the latter article's situation could have been resolved far more quickly and effectively and the former article could have not only been promoted faster but improved with referencing suggestions that would have benefited the student as a researcher.

In addition, there is a concern when Wikipedia or its sub-projects is used for ancillary purposes such as this that the encyclopedia's needs are for articles that are as good&mdash;as informative and clear&mdash;as possible; I am sure you agree that some of the articles your students created need to be improved to be of use to the general reader, and it's advisable for the editing community to know when a group of articles that are likely to have special need of improvement are being created as a bloc. I plan to notify the psychology and copyediting projects of the existence of these articles, but it would have been nice if we'd known sooner. You might also consider, this time or next time, doing some clean-up work yourself as instructor, perhaps even making collaborative copyediting part of the module on critiquing another student's work that you have as part of the course? This might be easier to implement in fall semester than in a summer course.

Use of DYK as a means of garnering extra credit also raises some concerns. You may not have been aware of the unpredictable time-line on acceptance of an article at DYK: there are a large number of factors, of which some are within the submitter's control (is the article well written and formatted and without copyvio, does it meet the criteria of DYK specifically, and does the submitter respond promptly and satisfactorily to any concerns the reviewer(s) may raise) and others not (does someone who knows enough about the topic to review the submission see it and review it relatively soon or relatively late; does the reviewer deem the hook interesting; once it is approved, how long is it before someone assembling a set of hooks in prep deems it fits into that set&mdash;and when the hook was submitted is a factor here, since for obvious reasons older hooks tend to be taken before newer ones; even strictly bureaucratic matters such as whether DYK is currently running on a cycle of 3 sets of hooks per 24-hour period, or 4, and whether there's a special event causing DYK to have a theme that day, or a length imbalance between Main Page constituents&mdash;my first-ever DYK, which someone else submitted for me becae I was unaware at that point that DYK even existed, was pulled off the Main Page because of an imbalance and re-run later). In particular, with the fast pace of a summer course, it would be very unlikely for a hook to be featured on the Main Page soon enough. I hope you will keep this in mind when you next teach the course, especially if you do so in another summer session.

Also, particurly with regard to your students, I wonder whether you have seen WP:REALNAME? I believe this is the fourth most visited site on the Internet; students may have concerns of which you are unaware.

I have past experience as college faculty and have the email option activated; please feel free to contact me either by that route or on my talkpage with any concerns, in addition to anyone else you may want to via the School and university projects page. And you may of course delete this from your talkpage at any time. My apologies for the wall of text and I wish I had come across your project and been able to offer advice and help sooner. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links and advice, I am going to put more of an emphasis on the copy-editing of student contributions, and have made some structural changes to the lectures that I think will help my students with the process this fall. I did add my project to the list on WP:SUP and would welcome any other advice you could share. --MTHarden (talk) 16:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sugar Loaf Mound (Vincennes, Indiana)
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DYK nomination for Frown
Hi MT, I've reviewed your nomination for Frown at Template:Did you know nominations/Frown and I have a couple of issues with the referencing. Could you please see my comments at the nomination page and reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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