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 * Hi Vladien, it was translated from the French Wikipedia page and I re-uploaded it as the English language Wikipedia of the page had a broken image file and wouldn't accept the French one directly copied and pasted. I'll go to the description page and look at the tags MWD115 (talk) 23:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Your edit to Party for Freedom
Hi – about this edit you made to Party for Freedom: Joriki (talk) 23:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The language code for English is, not.
 * Instead of adding the same reference twice, you can assign it a name and then reuse it (see my edit). The advantage is that it appears only once in the reference section.
 * I don't understand "Expanding, edits in this article are taken from the existing Wikipedia page wiki:euroscepticism see its history for attribution". In case you were referring to the article on Euroscepticism, I couldn't find any current or past content there that's related to your edit.


 * Hi Joriki, yes that was a reference to the article Euroscepticism as the wording and the article link on the PVV edits were lifted from and previously used in that article so credit was going to used the link on the Euroscepticism article first. MWD115 (talk) 23:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The section concerning Russia however was my own work.
 * MWD115 (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Chris Patten
Thanks for the content translation at Chris Patten. You also need to clean up the references section, as a result of your edit. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 00:35, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll go to that next. MWD115 (talk) 01:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Do you speak Chinese?
I haven't noticed you translating from Chinese before, as you appear to have done in this edit at‎ Murray MacLehose, Baron MacLehose of Beoch. May I ask what your proficiency is in Chinese? Feel free to add Babel userboxes on this page or your user page to list languages you can translate from. Mathglot (talk) 01:27, 4 October 2023 (UTC) Some not fluent, but enough to manually translate alongside web translation tools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MWD115 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're not fluent and relying on translation tools, I don't see how you can vouch for WP:Verifiability of the result that you publish, so that might imply a policy violation at that article. I use web translation tools sometimes for articles here, but that's to save typing, and then I go over it, fixing the mistakes and improving the wording based on what the original says. Automatic translation is much better than it was, but it makes mistakes, and you have to be proficient enough in the source language to spot the errors and correct them. I've assumed all along that you are a native speaker of Dutch (or highly proficient) so that's never been a problem; and there's also your German translations (wouldn't surprise me at all, if you are Dutch) and maybe even Swedish articles. But Chinese? I question whether you should be doing those translations if you're not proficient in Chinese. Mathglot (talk) 22:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I use translation to go over things, not to translate the article itself. I studied languages and politics. You also tend to stalk a lot of what I do, which on good faith makes sense to ensure all articles are proper, but the level you do this to and the tone you sometimes take is starting to make me question whether this is good faith scrutiny or if there is an agenda behind what you are doing. MWD115 (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are right, there is an agenda behind what I am doing, and I am watching you more closely than I watch other users, so you are right about that, too, although not nearly so closely as you might think—I haven't looked at anything you've done in many months, until just the other day. My agenda is this: to make sure that all policies and guidelines are being observed, and as you are someone who has consistently gone your own way and ignored numerous requests for attention to various issues unless things are explained to you multiple times, and often from multiple people, I believe that your activities deserve watching more closely than the average user, in order to protect the encyclopedia.
 * You still haven't fulfilled your end of the bargain regarding your dozens of violations of Wikipedia's licensing requirements regarding translation attribution, listed here. Despite promises to attend to it, I don't see that you've taken a single step to fulfilling the attribution requirement on any of the articles listed there. In one area you have made progress, which is that after the required attribution was explained to you various times, you started to follow it (thanks again for that), so the backlog requiring attribution is at least not getting longer; so that is progress of a sort. So I don't really know for sure whether to trust that you will do what you say you will, even if it involves Wikipedia policy with legal implications (i.e., attribution), and that is affecting how I view your more recent edits involving Chinese translation.
 * I'm sorry if you don't like my tone, but from my point of view, I've been very patient and more than helpful to you, spending a lot of time explaining things to you repeatedly, as well as creating the attribution worksheet with the checklist format for you, to make the attribution work as easy as it could possibly be for you to attend to. The result of the latter seemingly is that nothing has happened on that score; at least, I see no edits by you at the checklist. From where I sit, you have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing, and it's exhausting, and it's been going on a long time; maybe I should just wash my hands of it, and escalate.
 * Speaking of escalation, if you feel you are being HOUNDED (which is contrary to Wikipedia's policy of WP:CIVILITY) you can try bringing it up at WP:ANI (read the instructions carefully before you do). But that might also backfire, because your behavior will be under greater scrutiny, and visible to lots of admins. As far as me or anybody watching what you are doing, just follow the policies, do what you're supposed to, and nobody will bother you. Coming full circle: my main point to you, is this: if you're capable of seeing where MT has gone wrong in Chinese translation and fixing it in order to assure WP:Verifiability of the article at English Wikipedia, then carry on; and if you're not, then please don't translate anything else from Chinese. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Mathglot, the problem here is not the fact you wish to uphold a standard with guidelines, that's what ensures Wikipedia's reliability. It's because your tone and manner is simply rude and passive-aggressive. You started out with valid critiques of how to follow guidelines and engage with other users, but you haven't always taken a patient tone to explain things. Instead, you start off with explaining Wikipedia rules and guidelines, which is helpful and I do appreciate, but then you very quickly seem to lose control by taking a personal and sarcastic tone in responses and other messages and meticulously stalk what I do. For example, checking someone's language abilities to ensure there are no policy violations is the right thing to do, but then attempting to profile and say you've been making assumptions to yourself about my nationality comes across as aggressive and stalking, as if you have a more personal, not professional angle here, and helpful advice gets derailed by snide remarks that are not good faith reminders to uphold guidelines. I will not accuse you of Hounding, I question if I've offended you somewhere, and by all means uphold standards but I would advise how you choose to articulate yourself sometimes. Thanks. MWD115 (talk) 00:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You haven't offended me personally, and I see no behavioral problems on your end that need discussion. I'll take on board your advice to consider how I express myself sometimes. There is nothing wrong with my questioning your ability in Chinese, and if you represent to me that you're proficient enough, then as I already said above, "carry on". Now, you please get your own house in order, and get busy on what you've already promised to do more than once. Not because you promised, but because it's a policy requirement. This is your Talk page, so I won't respond again at this discussion (unless you ping me), so you have the last word. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 00:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, you made my point for me with those last few sentences. I'm not angry at you, I appreciate your advice, but maybe good advice is left with a full stop at the end which will make people more inclined to follow it. Have a good night Mathglot and all the best. MWD115 (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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