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DYK for Nell Donnelly Reed
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

The Christopher Shannons
Hello, Mabalu,

Nice job straightening out that mess. Good show indeed.

Georgejdorner (talk) 02:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue dress of Meagan Good
Please revisit Articles for deletion/Blue dress of Meagan Good. I have expanded the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Saint Martin's School of Art
Hi! Your redirect of this new article back to Central Saint Martins resulted in an edit conflict, in which I over-rode your edit. That may not have been entirely courteous on my part, so I apologise. A few points: I created the article a few hours ago, so it is still in its infancy and has yet to grow; the school is entirely notable in its own right, with around 135 years of history, many notable staff and alumni, and ample sources from which to document them; and, perhaps more seriously, the material in the Central Saint Martins article is an outright copyvio, which I am about to tag as such. I'm going to be away for a couple of weeks now, but I'd like to suggest that Saint Martin's School of Art be allowed to stand. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it may be for the best to keep it as a redirect for now, until you get back from your break and can expand it more fully. I hadn't realised you were an experienced editor when I came across it - it looked like the kind of stub that a new editor who might not have realised there was a duplicate article would create. So apologies for that. All the information is covered in Central Saint Martins. I concur that it's absolutely notable, although as I suggested, redirect may be best for the time being especially if you're not going to be about to edit for a while. All best, Mabalu (talk) 21:55, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guessed that was what you thought, no problem there. I'm afraid no information about Saint Martin's or the Central School is now available on the Central Saint Martins page, as I have blanked the blatant copyvio, which dates from 1 September 2008. I understand there's quite a backlog at WP:Copyright problems, so it may be some time before that is fixed. I'm sorry, but I can see absolutely no reason to redirect the Saint Martins article if you agree that the school is notable. The point of a stub is that people may see it and work on it. There are already enough references in the article for that to happen. I'd be grateful if you would restore the redirect from Saint Martins School of Art, which I believe you also changed? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Kelly bag
Would you happen to know if the bag Princess Grace is holding in this photograph is a Kelly bag? It would be great to have a photograph of her holding the bag. Surtsicna (talk) 08:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey - no, I don't think it's an offical "Kelly bag" - can't really see the front details that are so necessary for distinguishing it from a generic top-handled bag. Nice pic though. Mabalu (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Too bad. Those little gold things on the handle made me think it might be it. While I'm here, would you mind taking a look at User:Surtsicna/Travolta dress? It appears to be notable, but I haven't been able to find out much about the design, the making of the dress, and such things. (Yes, right after my first fashion-related article!) Surtsicna (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about Diana dresses. Not sure I'd say the Travolta dress was the most famous dress (what about the "Up Yours Charles" dress or her wedding dress?), but I'd argue it is certainly well known enough for an article, especially as it holds the record. I would suggest the formal title be "Blue velvet Victor Edelstein dress of Diana, Princess of Wales" (in line with other individual dress articles) though Travolta dress works as a redirect. We do need an article for Victor Edelstein which I'd encourage there to be before the Travolta dress link goes live, as he is very definitely notable. Other Diana dresses that are notable would be the Elvis dress (now in the V&A Museum), the black taffeta Emanuel dress she wore early on that caused controversy because it was so low-cut, and VERY definitely the "Revenge Dress" (or "Up Yours Charles") dress by Christina Stambolian (another needed article) she wore the day of the broadcast of Charles's interview where he admitted to adultery. Also, the John Galliano for Dior debut dress was worn by Diana, caused quite a bit of controversy, and would pass notability, but I can't really think offhand of any other Diana dresses or ensembles that would pass general notability. Mabalu (talk) 22:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's a lot of dresses! I wouldn't know if it's the most famous one; the source said so, and I didn't question it. If it's debatable, perhaps we can say it's one of her most famous dresses. As for the title, don't you think that Travolta dress would be much more concise and easy to remember than Blue velvet Victor Edelstein dress of Diana, Princess of Wales? "Travolta dress" is, without a doubt, the most common name. Anyway, I Googled Edelstein, but I could not find much about him. Surtsicna (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Given how many dresses she wore, it's not that many. I can think of a number of individual dresses, but none that would probably pass general notability (IMO anyway, but am sure if you looked, you'd find coverage in the Diana style books, etc...) such as the red taffeta and black velvet Murray Arbeid dress worn with one red and one black glove in 1986 for example. I could probably stub up an Edelstein article quite quickly, actually, I have several books/sources to hand. You're right about the Travolta dress being the most popular name - but I was looking at Category:Individual dresses and also thinking about Swan dress of Björk - so maybe "Travolta dress of Diana, Princess of Wales"? That Dress does redirect to the more consistently titled Black Versace dress of Elizabeth Hurley article. Mabalu (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Surtsicna - there is now a quick stub article on Victor Edelstein up, which I've linked from your Travolta Dress article. :) Mabalu (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great! I'll see if he is mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia and insert links if he is. Surtsicna (talk) 09:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not nominate the article for DYK? Surtsicna (talk) 12:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not? Fashion articles are SO underrepresented on DYK. I may just do that - especially after you did such a lovely job reformatting, expanding, and wikifying it. Thank you! Mabalu (talk) 13:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Jacky Elastic
Just so you know, there is ample proof that shows that she did in fact do the Source Awards. An IMDB record was recently added. That is a completely noteworthy reference. The IMDB verifies it sources through people's talent agents and so on and so forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwuwuw (talk • contribs) 22:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * All that proves is that she did the awards ceremony, which I'm certainly not questioning. It doesn't confer notability, and IMDB is not considered a reliable source. Mabalu (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Princess Beatrice's royal wedding hat
It seems to be quite notable. We even have photographs and illustrations of it. Do you think it warrants an article? Surtsicna (talk) 10:59, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought there already was an article... Let me go and hunt Mabalu (talk) 11:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find it. If it existed, the article about Beatrice would surely link to it, right? Surtsicna (talk) 12:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Crikey. There ISN'T one. Do go ahead and create one in your userspace and I would be happy to look it over before you move it to mainspace. Sourcing/refs would need to be good though. Here's an interesting book reference to add to the many hits on Google News. Mabalu (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And here's one hillarious photograph. You are more than welcome to contribute to User:Surtsicna/Treacy hat of Princess Beatrice of York. Surtsicna (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Victor Edelstein
Hello! Your submission of Victor Edelstein at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)