User talk:Mabuska/Archive 42011/March

Dhoire
Excuse me, I kow more about Irish than you, because I live in Ireland, in fact in Derry itself. Dhoire, with a h, is old Irish, while Doire, with no h, in modern Irish. Tomtwenty (talk) 12:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow that really means you must know more - simply because you live there. Let me give you a basic Gaelic lesson that shows you've no clue:


 * The Irish alphabet doesn't include the letter "h". Insular Latin scribes when transcribing Old Irish only added "h" in front of words that started vowels. Dhoire doesn't start with a vowel.
 * The use of "h" in modern Irish is to show lenition which is the aspiration of conconsants. In Old Irish to show lenition they actually used a dot above the consonant - they didn't use "h".
 * If "Dhoire" was actually Old-Irish then why is the term "Contae Dhoire" used for County Londonderry in the Gaelic Wikipedia? Why does the Placenames Database of Ireland which provides the modern Irish names for places for use by the Irish Government state "Dhoire" as the genitive case for Derry?


 * Maybe you should read this for some basic Irish lenition and actually learn something about the language. Also i think you should really listen to the IP on your talkpage when they said: "While not wishing to be the cause of offence I suggest tomtwenty should learn some Irish before making the kind of edits regarding the language that he has made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.239.72 (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)".


 * And no the IP wasn't me seeing as it can be traced to Galway. . I on the other hand live in the exact same county as you, but as the IP proved, you don't have to live in the place to know more about it than someone who does come from the place.


 * And contrary to your opinion, the Irish word Doire and English word Derry are derived from the Old Irish word Daire. This is sourced. Don't go about changing things that are source to something that isn't backed up by the source.


 * Mabuska (talk) 13:17, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Mabuska is right. Daire is an Old Irish spelling of the Modern Irish Doire. Contae Dhoire means "County of Doire" in the same way Ard Mhacha means "Height of Macha". ~Asarlaí 18:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a passing remark... I love your response Mabuska! That is all --NorthernCounties (talk) 20:27, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. You guys must be talk-page watchers ;-) Though contrary to how some people may view me, i am not an ignorant bigot. Mabuska (talk) 13:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Just for the record Asarlai "Ard Mhacha" doesn't mean "Height of Macha" as its a name. "Ard Mhacha" means "Macha's height". The possessive form needs a preceeding qualifier if i'm correct, for example "Contae" so rather it would be something like "Contae Ard Mhacha" meaning "County of Armagh" (or "County of Macha's height" if you want a literal translation). Mabuska (talk) 23:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you can say it both ways. What I meant was that the h in Ard Mhacha denotes that the height is belonging to Macha. ~Asarlaí 23:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I know what you meant, i'm just wondering does that translation apply to names of places such as "Ard Macha" where it becomes "Ard Mhacha" with a possessed qualifier such as "contae" or does it apply to a phrase thats not a name of two words for example such as Ard being declared as belonging to Macha hence "Ard Mhacha" with the "Ard" being the possessed qualifier? Or maybe both. Mabuska (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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