User talk:MacGyverMagic/Archive/March 2007

Sally Nguyen
I'm not aware of policy, precedent, or really even common world experience that a person who gets her picture taken for a catalogue is immediately and automatically notable. On the other hand, I'm not really familiar with Victoria's Secret, as I live in a country where that catalogue is not published; so perhaps that publication does impart automatic notability? On the third hand, perfect zero google presence, photographs taken by the subject of the article herself of herself in what appears to be a bathroom (if I recall correctly), and the appearance of being a teenager rather than a model of any kind, sort of WP:SNOW it as far as I'm concerned... Sometimes there is a thin line between non-notable and hoax: what about the other guy who today documented his IQ of 4000000000000 &mdash; surely that's notable if true :-) Weregerbil 14:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Jackie Barnes
Sorry I didn't get back to you before the deletion. There was no claim of notability for Jackie Barnes other than "played with..." If you had done the redirect I wouldn't have objected. --Richhoncho 19:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Robert E. Jackson de-speedy
Thanks for de-speedying the thing. I had created it as an anon and then thought subject not sufficiently notable. Cheers, :) MikeReichold 00:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

From zasdcxz
THANK YOU Zasdcxz 13:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zasdcxz (talk • contribs) 13:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

IP request for article update on the help desk
Hi. I was actually talking about a different incident. Centrx looked up that IP and it turned out someone was posting from a university computer. Xiner (talk, email) 13:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you. ZASDCXZ

Major Vandalism at following page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts I don't know what to do with it and I've got to leave for work soon (so no time to read). 67.53.78.15 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Systems design

 * Can you link me to an AFD or give me more detailed info?

No, and that is why I was appealing for hints how to pursue this. I have this distinct feeling of, but very indistinct memory for, some controversy very much like this. I just remember an elaborate text, with I think articles created, debated as to AfD'able or no, where to move the text since AfD'd, etc., etc. And how 'vague' the text was, when it came down to reading it. And, of course, that it had something to do with Comp.Sci., but with a trendy cast to it.

The problem being that things like this happen so many times, it could be the similarity that is triggering an association. I was hoping there was an easy way to trawl through old AfDs. I suppose I could wander around CS talk pages, looking for references to this. (sigh) Shenme 20:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

South Park DYK
Someone asked me to add those to the next update; I am a complete stranger to DYK so yes, I made a mistake. :)-- §hanel  13:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'Going Green' article that got deleted
Could you email me the text of the article that you had to delete? I'll try wikibooks as you suggested. You can send it to the email address attached to my account. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiuser999 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you
ok thank you, im trying to improve myself all the time to do better work here. I was just frustrated! probably because the article i had created was being taken from me, but im understanding a little more each and every day. thanks for your response! Mcoop06 09:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Whuppity Scoorie
Hi Mgm,

Thanks for your message on my talk page. An interesting article on a typically British local tradition; and it starts on my birthday! For the spoken version, would you like tips on how to pronounce the unusual words, so that you can record it yourself; or would you prefer it to be recorded by somebody else? Although from south-east England, I'm quite familiar with Scottish accents and pronunciations, so I am willing to help in either case - either by reading and uploading the whole article, or providing a short .ogg file with a pronunciation guide (perhaps linking it to your talk page). I will have time tonight when I get back from work, so let me know today and I will take it from there. Hassocks5489 13:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy belated birthday! I have no recording equipment, so I am looking for help from someone who can make a recording for me. If you need a guide, itt was pronounced on the Friday March 2 edition of CBBC Newsround. If you're quick you can still see and hear the report on it in the player on the top right of the screen on that site. It would be marvellous if you did a reading of the entire article, but for now I'll settle for a pronunciation file, so I can do some tweaking of the article until I know it's ready for a full recording. - Mgm|(talk) 13:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article looks pretty comprehensive at the moment, so I'll record the current version later this evening and upload it. I can make alterations later if you introduce more content.  My recording equipment is permanently set up on the correct settings at home, so I can easily "do" articles during the week as well as at the weekend - my usual slot for recording the longer articles.  I'll add another message here when it's ready.  Hassocks5489 13:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded and linked the spoken version now. Hassocks5489 21:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for the alert. Please feel free to grill me some more. Xiner (talk, email) 21:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've left a reply...
...to your question at my talk page. Hassocks5489 13:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And another just now! Hassocks5489 08:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Recording Paul Kirk
I'd be happy to record the article for you. Just leave me another note when the tweaking is finished, and I should be able to knock it out right away. CB Droege 03:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I expect to be finished with it, and have it posted by Wednesday Evening EST. CB Droege 18:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Done and posted. I wasn't sure which category to addit to on the Spoken_articles page, so I left that for you to do. ;) Let me know if you need anything else.  :)  CB Droege 19:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Barnstar! It's my first award :D  I don't have much preference toward what I read. As a freelance performer, I'm used to just reading whatever script is put in front of me. I was thinking of recording some articles about comic-book superheros, but all of those articles seem to change too often to have a spoken version be worth anything :P CB Droege 02:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:RM test
I just thought it would make more sense under the title Are you a Wikipediaholic?. Simply south 12:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If going by title length, the current title is longer than this one. It strikes me as a tad ambiguous. Simply south 12:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Are You a Wikipediholic Test. Simply south 12:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Although it could be good as Are You a Wikipediholic? Test which is currently a redirect. Simply south 13:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you think Are you a Wikipediholic? test would be any good? Two other things, i changed the title of the discussion for, lets say, more meaning. Secondly, i put it on WP:RM yesterday even though i was unsure under the first suggestion but with . Simply south 13:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to the Law Enforcement Wikiproject! Thanks for joining. SGGH 15:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi MacGyverMagic. Thank you for taking the time to visit my RfA. Rest assured that I have heard every voice loud and clear during the discussion, and will strive to use the mop carefully and responsibly. Please don't hesitate to give me constructive criticism anytime. Xiner (talk, email) 00:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Rebooting WikiProject Magic
Hi MacGyverMagic I've been trying to make some contributions to the WikiProject Magic over the last few weeks and I would like to try to pull the project itself into better shape. I've made some proposals on the talk page but I thought I should specifically make sure you were aware as you seem to have had someting to do with starting the project and you created some of the templates. One thing I am proposing that you might especially have views about is to abandon the "Magic collaboration of the week", which I guess might involve deletion of the the relevant templates.

Circusandmagicfan 11:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan


 * Thanks for your response - I agree about keeping the template in reserve. I replied on the WikiProject talk page but I thought I'd flag it here too.
 * Circusandmagicfan 16:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan

DYK Matild Manukyan
Bedankt u voor uw bijdrage! Goede dag. CeeGee 18:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Matters concerning advocacy of pedophilia
Please refer all matters concerning advocacy of pedophilia directly to the Arbitration Committee. Please don't bring the matter up in other forums. Fred Bauder 12:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK: Will, G. Gordon Liddy
I think you may have thought the article for DYK was Danny Lloyd, it was the bolded one, Will: G. Gordon Liddy. I thought your comment might have been in error and didn't see a response to my statements on the DYK page so I thought I would drop you a line to see if the comment was an error and if it was, could you retract it so my DYK can go forward. Thanks for your prompt attention. IvoShandor 13:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Glasses, maybe? I don't know where you are, but where I am it was extremely late when you posted that. Thanks for doing that so quickly btw. : ) IvoShandor 13:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Paul Kirk
Sure. WP:DASH recommends en dashes for date ranges, and all examples on WP:MOSBIO use spaced en dashes. It's not an explicit guideline AFAIK, but I usually change these anyway—picky, I know. If you'd like to revert, go right ahead, I don't mind. Fvasconcellos 19:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Paul Kirk and Berkeley
While, I searched I came across seems to be a courtroom transcript of the Sam Sheppard trial hosted by University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law's website.
 * Paul Kirk: "I first went to Ohio State University in Columbus for four years; following graduation from Randolph Macon Academy, in Macon, Virginia. I took the Bachelor of Science degree in chemistry. I went from there to the University of Pittsburgh where I took the Masters degree in chemistry. I went from there to the University of Berkeley where I took the Doctors degree in biochemistry, PHD, in the Biochemistry Department."

If you're not familiar with famous United States universities, University of Berkeley is just another name for UC Berkeley. Hopefully, that clears up. I could be still wrong where Paul Kirk got his Ph.D, which why I warned that I never heard of him before the "Did you Know". There's a lot of misinformation on the Internet, however I trust a web page hosted by an accredited university. --Souphanousinphone 21:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'm sorry but I don't have a strong legal history background just mostly basic trivial information. (Got to beat my family and friends in a game of Trivial Pursuit. Wikipedia is a great study guide for that game. :-P) I would help you on your Sam Sheppard research if I have access to expensive databases such as LexisNexis but that would be meaning I have go to graduate school or getting another college degree. I barely survived college. Just don't want to experience again anytime soon. :-P Good luck. --Souphanousinphone 00:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Maroon-bellied conure
Hi, I don't know if I'm inserting this message properly, but...regarding the missing maroon-bellied conure image, here's the article's URL:. You said you may be able to find out what happened to the image? The orphan bot sent me a message saying that images need to have a copyright tag, but being a very, very amateur user, I don't know how to add a copyright tag. The links the bot posted did not explicitly say "This is how you add an image tag: step 1:  blah blah blah, step 2: blah blah blah, etc.". It was confusing enough to add the image in the first place. Karge123 15:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: Thanks for your reply. I'm going to let someone else upload a picture of a maroon-bellied conure for that article; I don't relish sacrificing any rights.Karge123 00:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Cannon in the Middle Ages
Thank you for pointing that out, but generally the singular form is used in article titles. The series of articles on cannon uses the singular (Cannon, English cannon, Korean cannon, and the drafted User:Grimhelm/Spanish cannon), so for consistency Cannon in the Middle Ages seems appropriate. Still, I prefer the accepted plural as a collective term rather than "Cannons in the Middle Ages". Differences over the plural are explained in the main Cannon article, and redirects should be fine. "Medieval cannon" is the other alternative I considered, but looking at the way "Medieval horses" went to "Horses in the Middle Ages", I think we should leave it as is.

Unless, of course, you mean to change the title in the DYK hook, which I would do. --Grimhelm 13:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Audio
I'm not sure - I'd never used VLC to play ogg files but I just checked and mine does work. Are you able to play the troublesome file on other media players (Windows Media Player, for example)? - SCEhard T 14:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, no I didn't check any of your files because for the past 36 hours or so I haven't been able to see any images (or other uploaded files) from the Wikimedia projects. My VLC copy does play oggs, as well as my copy of Windows Media player since I downloaded the codec.  I've only made one recording for Wikipedia, and I did use audacity for that.  You might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia - I'm not sure I can be of much help :-)  - SCEhard T 20:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Images
Thank you for pointing our that images should be inserted into relevant articles right away. I will do so in the next few days.Anantashakti 16:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for taking a turn - I was beginning to think it was just me! -- ALoan (Talk) 10:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK Balık sisters
Thanks so much indeed for your contribution. Happy wikiDYKing. CeeGee 10:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Karen sargsyan
I put that tag, because there were no clear external references. Plus the phrase "most notable" doesn't exactly inspire faith in the article, many times bands, etc try to claim their notability in that way. Now, in this case, you're right. I'm wrong. Article lives. Honestly, while doing all the tagging of all the crap which gets created all the time, you might mistakenly hit an article which does deserve to stay. So, nothing personal, mistakes happen. Andante1980 13:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I try to make an educated guess about the worth of an article. It just so happens that i trip up sometimes. Besides, I have deletionist tendencies. Andante1980 13:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. As said, just a mistake, one out of many right calls. So, anyway, we're on the same side here. Let's get off this topic, and i'll see if i can avoid such things. Andante1980 13:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

British School of Osteopathy
That would depend on the lines, of course. One sentence can be a copyright violation. Also, I think we need to err on the side of caution here, without going overboard. --Butseriouslyfolks 17:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Indenting text in talk page
Try indenting text by using a colon like this:


 * Indented text here
 * Further indented text here

...rather than using asterisks

-- Spe bi 07:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe how to indent text is a matter of personal preference. Is there some help page that says otherwise which I missed? Anyway, it's so engrained now, it's probably a hard habit to quit. - Mgm|(talk) 08:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * My apologies. It might be on the Manual of Style... -- Spe bi 08:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't have to apologize. Just sayign it's probably better to cite a help page to convince people. - Mgm|(talk) 08:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen a page on indenting somewhere... anyway, -- Spe  bi 08:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Maravar battle
If the article was still copyviolation then I thank you for deleting it.User talk:Top Gun 13:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the info.User talk:Top Gun 15:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Barbara Bauer
Nope, sorry, I'm not changing a thing. Nothing posted on the DRV has changed the fundamental fact that in this case, as in many others, Wikipedia is being used as a scandal sheet for living people, and I won't stand for it. We've trashed too many people, from Daniel Brandt to Michael Aquino, for me to accept the "community's" views on living people anymore. We are allowing people's enemies to take over their Wikipedia entries and use them as permanent records of everything any blogger has ever said about the person. WP:BLP specifically says that no blog is acceptable as a source for a biography of a living person unless the blog is published by the article subject. If there is anything which will eventually bring down Wikipedia, it is our utterly contemptible treatment of people we have biographies on. FCYTravis 17:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: AWB Feature Request Brackets in replacement text
Hi, Was just looking at this request, and i am unable to duplicate it.

It may be that it has been fixed, and not noted as such, so could you please check it on the latest version, and report back to us on the talk page.

Cheers

Reedy Boy 14:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

vandalism report at help desk
FYI -- I asked User:Trampton on his/her talk page about the gay vandalism, and this is the response I got:

"His recent one is from middle 2005, the one before is from early 2004, there was one other, but I can't recall the name, it was an actress.So what should we do?Trampton 06:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)"

I can't say for sure, but I have the feeling this was a bogus report.--Vbd (talk) 16:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Yes, I am aware of citation templates, but I prefer not to use them. Adrian  M. H.  16:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:DRVs
Rather than establish consensus, the closing admin for Articles for deletion/List of Mario Party minigames established his opinion and may operate under the concept of the "overriding vote". His conclusion was a bad disguise for us keepists cited WP:N, WP:ATT and WP:NOT as in the article was not an "indiscriminate" collection of facts and that work had been done to improve the article and succeeded. Here is evidence that the admin closed the debate on his own opinion: Nominating all the others for deletion immediately beforehand, therefore suggesting he had already planned his conclusion. What should we do? Bowsy (review me!) 18:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

RE:DRV endorsing
Sorry, what I meant to say was' "is it acceptable to Endorse simply because you "voted" Delete on the article's AfD? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bowsy (talk • contribs) 12:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
 * In Articles for deletion/List of Mario Party minigames, User:Radiant! closed it as Delete because of his opinion. Proof of this is that he nominated all the LMPmgs articles left for deletion directly beforehand. He said that we, the keepists used WP:ILIKEIT and WP:USEFUL when our arguments centred round WP:N, WP:ATT and thee encyclopedic status of the article. The entire nomination was WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I have taken it to WP:DRV but everyone who voted Delete has endorsed it because they voted Delete. Bowsy (review me!) 12:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * McKay has tried this time and time again, but no-one seems to want to listen, but because they WP:IDONTLIKEIT, in the most part, they don't take it on board. How can we reason with these people who are abusing WP:DRV in a quest to keep it deleted even though there was No Consensus in the AFD? Bowsy (review me!) 17:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They may be faulty, but they raise valid points! The problem is, is you try to tell Deleteists from these discussions anything, they either ignore you or lash out at you. As for abusing DRV, it's quite clear that they are, could you tell me where I should report this? Bowsy (review me!) 18:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

List of professional wrestling finishing maneuvers
Thanks for the feedback and I've certainly taken what you suggested on-board. I'm just not especially happy with your statement that I "should be slammed" for using the term "listcruft" in the AFD given that I don't feel I used the term insultingly, having explained that the article in question does meet several of the WP:LC definitions that are valid deletion reasons. Suriel1981 13:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I'd prefer a rainbow trout if possible, might as well do it with style Suriel1981 13:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Stanley
Hmm - that's a good question. I don't have it here, but I'll take a look at his autobiography which (hopefully!) will be definitive. I guess the reason I was swayed to thinking this is correct is not only the article I cited which was well-researched, but also this one, which is from Current Biography magazine, a straight-up non-partisan source. I could add that ref if the other one doesn't seem definitive enough - the reason I didn't originally is the cited article focused more on the mother than the Current Biog piece did. Thanks for raising the question - I'll check into it more. By the way, love your user page. (And MacGyver was totally my son's hero when he was little!) Tvoz | talk 16:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Obama's biography checked, and Stanley is correct - reference to the book added. Thanks for asking Tvoz | talk 23:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sw!ms
I see your point I will change my vote to a re-direct.--Bryson 03:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Youtube
Thanks for your message. The links were on these articles - Ultras and List of ultras groups which, as part of the Wikipedia football project I have been cleaning up, as they have been a total mess. Particularly on the second article, people were adding youtube videos of fans chanting at a football match as verification for that groups existence. Most of the links have now been removed though to literally try and start again and get correct verification for each ultra group. There are still three different lists of ultras groups which I hope to get down to one combined list soon. Thanks again! Tangerines 23:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)