User talk:MacGyverMagic/Archive 19

Have a Laugh Point
Just dropping you a line to let you know that your comment about Mickey Mantle in the AfD page for Dwayne Rudd got a chuckle out of me. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak ł blah } 19:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Victims of the Civil War
My problem is that the article is mistitled ("Victims") and that it performs essentially a crosslinking purpose. I can't get around the fact that it is essentially duplicate effort. First, we have articles on the individuals, and then, here, a click-through page. Categories were supposed to replace link collections, and the effort here, to save an article that is mistitled to begin with and which adds nothing to the simple collection, seems misspent. Whether this particular list should be replaced with a category or not, what it gets us to is a virtually unsearchable title that implies a point of view that performs the function of a category. I'm not sure what can be done to change these things. If there were a page move, the likely new page locations would point, I think, to the essential duplication of this information. Geogre 10:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * MGM, I have the utmost respect for your work and your reasoning, and I don't want to try to rebut you. I remain inimical to lists, myself, for quite a few reasons that are probably not debatable.  My essential objection is that lists of such a sort are cross-indexes, and we have to have a better system than that.  In this particular instance, there were some, what?, hundreds of thousands dead?  My own great-great-grandfather, for instance, had the distinction of being the only death among his troops at the Battle of Secessionville (or Battle of Seccessionville...I can never spell that word).  His rank was Private.  My point is that a table of dead of rank and significance at a battle would not be a bad idea.  A table of dead in a campaign is straining the traces but probably not a terrible idea, but I can only imagine these things in a context of a discursive article and not as raw data.  You probably know by now that "context" is my favorite word on Wikipedia, because I think that's

fundamentally what encyclopedias do. I really don't have an objection to the data under a new name, but even proposing something as open-ended as a list of all the notable dead of the Civil War is mind boggling. Geogre 14:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

In response to your request that I reconsider my Delete recommendation. Sorry, I don't think that a list of dates and reasons for hundreds of individuals dying is very useful. But my basic objection is that this is yet another place to accumulate data and it will be extraordinarily difficult to maintain, for little value. Hal Jespersen 15:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I've change~d my vote. Regards, Ejrrjs | What? 19:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Closing AfD Debates

 * Thanks for pointing that error out to me! I'll be sure to not make that mistake again.  ^_^ Mo0 [ talk ] 23:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd like to thank you for that. -- WB 00:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

My signature
It is nothing to do with my signature. Its codes are correct. It has remained unchanged for months. Something has gone wrong throughout WP. It is misreading sigs from people all over place, mucking up codes, screwing up codes in templates, not recognising close commands, etc. It has not the first time this has happened. The last time some bod went and screwed up hundreds of commands. It is probably some fucked up bot again. It is nothing to do with me. It is up to the technical guys to find out what they did and undo it. They have been told by a lot of others who have also have their sigs suddenly screwed up independently by WP. FearÉireann. (I'm not using sig until they undo their screw up. It is nothing to do with me.)

Broken Userpage


Hi Mgm,

I'm not sure what's happened, may be just me, or perhaps not, but it appears that some code in your userpage is not causing it to be displayed correctly.

Older versions of your userpage appear to be working fine.

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 01:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of victims of the American Civil War
Sorry, I have to agree with Rossami's reasoning. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto. My vote remains delete Reyk 04:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Signpost

 * "Cool Cat also worried that unbanning these users might encourage vandals. To help with the supervision, Cool Cat has developed a bot that shows each edit by an editor under mentorship."

Is there any place I can take a look at the stuff this bot finds? - Mgm|(talk) 10:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh sure, #wikipedia-probation on irc.freenode.net :) -- Cool Cat Talk 11:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Borked sig
I have no idea what caused my sig to break, the broken version was only in the DB for a few seconds (I was testing it on my sandbox page). It seems the wikiservers reverted to a very short-lived broken version some hours or maybe even days later. There are entries from before and after which are correct! - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 11:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Blogs
I have replied on the AfD page. Generally does not mean universally. Dottore So 12:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blop
Hi, I have already contributed at Requests_for_comment/ComCat. The user is showing complete disregard for the community with malformed and unresearched nominations to make some point about the Afd process. I consider this unacceptable, but will limit myself to commenting on malformed nominations if I come across them. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk   19:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Requests_for_adminship/Halibutt
I think you may be interested in this nomination. We need more experienced and unbiased editors to vote there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Sexiest man alive
I'd be happy to undelete it. I wasn't sure if it had a very good chance at being a valid article, but it just might! --Merovingian 08:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've redirected it to Sexiest Man Alive. --Merovingian 08:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! --Merovingian 09:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Votes
I have noticed that you voted to delete lists such as Jewish publishers, criminals, and bankers, but chose to keep the list of Jews in the Royal Society, and in the National Academy of Engineering. I implore you to reconsider your votes (either staying neutral or voting delete) for the following reasons:

I understand you see that religion may influence a person's work in science, but that is not what is under debate here. Most people want these lists gone because they are the ONLY ones of their kind on all of wikipedia; many of which do not even have primary articles: such as List of Fellows of the Royal Society, or List of Members of the National Academy of Engineering. Whoever started these lists most likely did so because they were not aware of categories, or how selective wikipedia is. The specificity of these lists is what makes them unfit. We cannot end up having these because they would spark a revolution of PCness and listcruft where list of Amish Members of the National Academy, and list of Left-handed Members of the National Academy would arise. Though I agree with you that, sure, religion has an influence on the scientific work a person does, these lists don't reflect that in any way. These votes are getting very personal to some people, whereas they are registering new names just to keep them here. I ask you to please abstain your vote, for it would aid us unimaginably. Thank you for your consideration. Antidote 19:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi MacGyverMagic, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Extreme card manipulation
hate being on wrong side of an issue withyo as been enjoying yoru work! but this one got me to sit down and use word check and so on and worite s.l.o.w.l.y!. i htink i see a halfway solution though. take care and respec to you Tiksustoo 11:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I cannot support a merge either, especially in light of Tiksustoo's comment on the AfD. I'll need more convincing. Turnstep 21:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Spit
Thanks so much for the barnstar! I'm glad you got a kick out of the name and sig; it's been a bit of a running-gag as my online moniker for some time, so I've had a while to try and think up ways to be clever with it. Cheers! --PeruvianLlama(spit) 09:20, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Manor Park (Ottawa)
Can you please add slightly more content to stubs like these. There's several people (like myself) who would like to see this deleted under the [103]speedy deletion criterion "small article with little or no context". Adding some information on what one can see there and how old it is instead of just its location, would aid a great deal in avoiding having your work deleted. As an added bonus, larger articles are also more informative and helpful for users.- [104]Mgm|[105]^(talk) 09:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point, but I don't know any more about Manor Park. I've never been there. I just feel that even such a short article is better than nothing. I'm putting a watch on this page so feel free to reply here. --Unforgettableid | Talk to me 10:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * If you feel they should be mentioned, perhaps you could put it in context and include them in Ottawa in some way. If you don't have much to say, I recommend you try including it in an existing entry rather than making a new one. - Mgm|(talk) 10:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, I didn't think of that. :) --Unforgettableid | Talk to me 10:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Durmus Kumdereli
I've translated this article into English. --Last Malthusian 13:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Articles for deletion/Police officers and donuts
''Would you please return to this AFD debate and consider changing your vote to a merge to Donut as reasoned by Gazpacho? - Mgm|(talk) 08:59, 25 November 2005 (UTC)''
 * Done! But in return you owe us a better picture for Donut :)   I already put a request under Requested pictures, but nothing came of it. Here's what's there now... Owen&times;  &#9742;  14:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC) [[Image:doughnuts.jpg|thumb|Not very appetizing, is it?]]

Standstill
Hi, MacGyverMagic. Discussion on this award at WP:BAP has been at a standstill for almost two months. Since you were previously involved in the decision-making, please consider reviving the discussion. If no attempts are made within a week, it will be archived. Thanks, Sango  123   (talk)  15:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, I got around to asking Ally Union about the DYK archiving bot. Fixing it seesm to be a frustrating process for him. Anyway I was wondering what the rationale for archiving DYKs was, I actually can't see any good reason for keeping a permanent centralised record of these articles- unlike current events they are not reused - and many are merged or renamed following their main page appearance. I would like to get rid of the archiving process and use a template on the talk page of the article much like the message given to the person who suggested the article (the idea to record DYK on the article talk page has been brought up on the DTK talk a few times). The template would probably only be added to articles that have appeared in the last 3 to 6 months. Let me know what you think.--nixie 01:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Great man
Just a reminder to close the AfD when you speedy. - brenneman (t) (c)  15:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Cat flap
Hi MacGyverMagic,

Thanks for your help on the Cat flap page, unfortunately it seems to have kicked off a new edit war there. However, in Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents I was actually looking for some investigation of User:Foosher and related accounts. I rather suspect they may be using multiple sock accounts to troll and inflame edit wars. For example the edit to Cat flap following your revert was by User:169.157.229.67 who also replies on User:Foosher's talk page. My check on the contributions of Foosher, User:Foogol and 169.157.229.67 indicated that they had been coordinating on several votes and deleting other user's comments. I'm not sure on the best way to tackle maverick sock accounts - perhaps it needs an RFC. -- Solipsist 21:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool Cat mentorship, Kurdistan, etc
Cool Cat has recently engaged in very aggressive, unprovoked attacks on Karl Meier, including blindly reverting the latter's edits on two Kurd-related articles--on which Cool Cat has not previously edited for over two months.

He and Karl Meier have both edit warred on Kurdistan, and I've just blocked both for twelve hours. Cool Cat's edits on Kurdistan, without the aggressive behavior, would be borderline, but in the circumstances I'm inclined to the view that the problems are unlikely to be resolved because Cool Cat will not improve his behavior. I think we should consider banning him from editing any articles related to Turkey or the Kurds for two weeks. Please see the talk page of the mentorship (the link in the subject header of this section). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

My Sig
Here's the answer to your request. I thought my sig was a little bulky... RabidMonkeysEatGrass 00:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Requests_for_comment/Iopq
Sorry to intrude upon you like this. I mentioned you in my summary at Requests_for_comment/Iopq. I am hoping that you will review the RfC, and add any feedback you think is appropriate. Thanks. Jkelly 03:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Pourbaix diagrams
I thought you might be interested to know that the diagrams on the RD that Physchim62 are called Pourbaix diagrams :-) --HappyCamper 03:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion_review
I suggest you take another look at this Deletion review, I proposed something that I think would be a good solution that would satisfy everyone and fall within policy (a pure undeletion probably wouldn't due to the fact that it was not really an out of policy deletion and undeletion (except for purposes of merging and viewing content) should not be used for content issues), it also fulfills all GFDL requirements in terms of history and would make the content available to be merged. Jtkiefer T 21:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I honestly don't know but I've never had an issue doing a history merge and I assume that there has to be a way to do it without messing things up. Jtkiefer T 03:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Barbapapa
LOL on the comment from Articles for deletion/Barbaluck. I had read these books when I was a kid and last year wanted to get them from the library for my daughter but could not remember for the life of me what they were called, although I was close with "Barbapartha." Funny thing is, the librarians had never heard of it... -- howcheng  [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 17:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Mummy
Hi MacGM, the Talk page of this article has a note indicating that you are rewriting this article. Is this still the case? BTW, I'm placing this article as it currently reads at Good articles, so speak out if you disagree. -- llywrch 18:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Explosives
Maybe "Homemade explosives" would be a name for the Category? Maybe there is also a better name? helohe 11:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Where can I find the science reference desk? helohe 11:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Nope, anon's can't create AfD pages--just checked
I tried to create Articles for deletion/Cassandra Curves and got the 'Page creation limited' message instead of an edit window. Near as I can tell, anons can't create anything ___: just ___Talk:

While I have you, can you look at Tony "Perk" Perkins? I tried to tag it, as well, as I tried at least a dozen combinations of some of the "facts" and couldn't find any verification. Also while looking into that, I found the same IP involved in a hoax with SLA. I'm fairly certain Tony "Perk" Perkins and what they did to Elizabeth Perkins is complete BS. 24.17.48.241 12:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, ok.
Sorry about adding an extra category then. And whilst the information might be somewhat accurate, I read this as a attack on the person, in the way it is written. But I might be wrong.

Was perphaps a bit quick with listing it though. A bit tired. Should probably take a 24-hour wiki-holiday :)

Quick thank you (Priscilla Davis et al)
Just to thank you for your elegant (and, in hindsight, obvious) 'convert to redirection page' solution to the Priscilla Davis-Andrea Wilborn-Stan Farr-T. Cullen Davis self-referential circle to which I'd added some speedy-delete requests. I have already found and made use of it somewhere else since! Best wishes, David Kernow 03:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of Jewish inventors
Hi, I would appreciate if you could convert your comment on this afd to keep as the nominator is a sock puppeteer who has been voting multiple times to try and force the deletion of Jewish lists (see Requests for comment/Antidote/Voting, Requests for comment/Antidote). Thanks Arniep 02:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, the problem is there tends to be an element of copy cat voting on afd/cfd, with some people voting on many articles/categories, it is possible they take the nominators reason for putting it up for deletion as a good faith reason, unfortunately I have evidence that is not the case, and if the other voters also realised that was the case they might not be so quick to agree with the nominator. Thanks Arniep 17:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: ANI warning
Thanks for telling me about that :). Yeah I never defended copyvio, I warned against the abuse of vandal tags. Thanks. -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 19:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Banana Powered Rocket Launcher
Wow, I have not played worms in a long, long time. I'll try to stick to killing things that deserve it. I am a wild shot, though. Croat Canuck 21:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Bluemoose
Thanks for unblocking me. The fact is that this template is useful now; potentially useful in the future; and has been saved from deletion on WP:TFD. Bluemoose has been going round removing it without consultation on the template talk page, and then been very agressive when I have reverted his removal. I will be re-instating the removed template, once I have complained about his very poor behaviour on the Administrators' noticeboard. If Bluemoose wants to go about removing the template, then he should go through the formal procedure of WP:TFD like everyone else. User:Noisy | Talk 23:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have the habit of considering things to be so obvious that I don't bother explaining my reasoning sometimes, and you clearly asked for an explanation in your comment on my talk page, albeit in a subtle way. Now that my wikistress has reverted to a somewhat lower level, perhaps I can set out my reasons for keeping the template as a template, and not substing it.  (By the way, my comments above about the TFD stuff were mistaken, because the vote was actually for a different template which was deprecated in favour of Template:Lifetime.)


 * I have two main reasons for requiring that this template is left as a template. The first is that it provides potential for expansion of its functions in the future, if any reason is found to add additional biographical formatted data at the foot of all biographical articles.  The second is a corollary, in that if all biographical articles have this template, then that is an easy way to index into the set of biographical articles via the 'What links here' feature.  There is no way to access this set at the moment, other than indirectly through Category:People.  I did have a third reason, but it can't have been that important, because I've forgotten it.  However, I find the first two compelling and obvious.  (Oh yes, the third was the trivial fact that it's shorter so there's less chance of cocking up the two category invocations&mdash;told you it was trivial.)


 * I'll add these points to the template talk page. User:Noisy | Talk 19:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:ANI#User:Street_Scholar_-_Copyright_and_other_problems
Hi MGM. You wrote: "Regardless of how he was warned, Street Scholar should'nt be inserting copyvios or removing large pieces of text without explanation. I do agree with your point that those warnings should NOT be the basic vandal templates, though. - Mgm|(talk) 12:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)"


 * Maybe you could tell me which tags would be better? I used the tags primarily for Street Scholars blanking vandalisms. The "test2" tag that I used said this:
 * Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
 * As the text says, it is about "removing content from Wikipedia", so I thought it should be okay for blanking vanadalism. After the test2 tag, I used a test3 tag. Maybe there are better tags or ways to handle such situations that I am not aware of.

Anyway, I have written about this on WP:ANI#User:Street_Scholar_-_Copyright_and_other_problems and also other pages. --Kefalonia 11:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you quick response. --Kefalonia 11:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

BD2412's RfA
Thanks, MGM, for supporting my RfA (yeah, why didn't you think of nominating me ;-> ). I shall do my best as an admin to help the reality of Wikipedia live up to the dream! bd2412 T 15:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstars
Can only admins give out barnstars or something? I threw together an ugly "Awards" section on my user page. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 12:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Erroneous submission
I submbitted Jupiter.Aurora.small.jpg to create an image of smaller size, for a Wiki page I am designing (in the sandbox) not realizing the existence of thumbnails. Please do not upload it. I am still learning David P. Stern david@phy6.org 14 December 2005 -- This is a reply to a message I cannot now locate.  I got your name from a list of uploading help. I want to upload to Wiki another image, for  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Polar_aurora  How do I do so?  I am new in this business. Trying to place on Wiki an improved version of the "Polar Aurora" page. I have previously authored many web pages--see http://www.phy6.org/ but feel Wiki may help reach more people. What should I contact an administrator for? 19:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Docu-stub
Hi MGM - someone must've forgotten to take the tag off that one. Docu-stub is now a redirect to Documentary-stub. All the others were deleted. (see here). Grutness...wha?  06:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Skinheads
I saw your note on the [WikiEN-l] about the skinheads. My guess is that those edits may have been made by Richard Barrett/user:Crosstar. He has a vision of skinheads as cleancut young men who are upstanding fighters for racial justice. He apparently dislikes seeing any connection betwen them and scruffiness. It's just a guess, but it provide a clue as to the pattern of edits. Cheers, -Willmcw 20:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets
You are being awfuly quiet/non existant on IRC. So how about taking a look at Wikipedia talk:Assume good faith? -- Cool CatTalk 20:54, 15 December 2005 (UTC)