User talk:MacGyverMagic/Archive 2

Kissinger
I never said that Kissinger was arrested or tried. He hasn't been. I said that people have accused him of war crimes, a fact that VV himself does not dispute.

I'm not trying to "attack" VV; I'm just trying to have an impossible person controlled who insists on turning Wikipedia into a one-man POV forum. Shorne 22:17, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Update on mediation request with User:VeryVerily
The section /*Request mediation with User:VeryVerily*/ at Requests for mediation was moved to Requests for mediation/VeryVerily due (only) to the size of this section. Please continue all discusion there.

Thanks, 22:03, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Reply notification
Hi, I've replied to your comment at User talk:Matt Crypto. &mdash; Matt 15:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cell (biology)
All your ideas are good, just be bold and go with it. I've just got in from work, am knackered and have arachnophobia so today is not a good day to be looking at talk pages... -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 14:37, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Makers
I've never heard of them, which makes me think they're not awfully well known. It seems like a non-notable band that has a member who previously played in a very notable band (Split Enz). Ambi 06:12, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Duck and Cover
I listed D&C on WP:FAC a while back, and you had an objection. Revisions have been made in an attempt at getting closer to NPOV; your opinion on them would be valued. -Litefantastic 02:21, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Makers
If it was formed by form Split Enz band members, then it's notable. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:18, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lake Burley Griffin FAC
Martyman has made a bunch of changes, and I've subsequently changed my vote to Support. Would you be prepared to reconsider yours? It'd be nice to get another Australian article featured. Ambi 04:15, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I've moved one of the pictures that was in the wrong section, and Martyman and I both agree that it looks better to have the Carillion picture beside the lead section than the map. As to the references - I don't think either of us are quite sure what the problem is, so some feedback would be good if you'd like them to be improved. Ambi 09:04, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but I'm not quite sure of how to go about it - IMO, dividing the references section up looks really ugly - TBSDY tried that on Cyclone Tracy and ended up reverting it. Ambi 09:16, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * In between which references? Ambi 10:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ultras
I've been writting offline an article to place on Ultras movement, but noticed You already contributed on Ultras. I've took a few things from the article to complete, so could you please have a look on the article and check if there's anything you think it's vital I've left outside from your article ? \ wolfenSilva / 07:25, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sesame Street
A week or two ago, you opposed Sesame Street becoming a featured article. If you wouldn't mind looking at Sesame Street again, seeing how I've improved the character lists and the merchandising sections, to your original criticisms of the article. Then, please head on over to FAC, and vote for (preferably) or against the article. -- user:zanimum

Magic (illusion)
I found the image on the U.S. Marine photo gallery, they have some great pictures unrelated to anything military, but still in the Public Domain, very useful! The image description said not much more than the current caption, he is a professional magician. I think it's a fancy image though and fits the article, until someone finds something better, maybe a bigger illusion as you suggested. This is more a cantrip I suppose. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 18:31, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

Mafia (game)
Thanks for your kind note. I tried, unsucessfully, to vfd "A village murder mystery game" after merging it, but simply creating a redirecet was a far better solution (which I had forgotten about). I also created a redirect from "Village murder mystery game" to "Mafia (game)". Thanks again. --L33tminion 20:54, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Mgm, thank you very much for offering to help. The current dispute is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Jguk has posted a poll without dealing with the issues first in a discussion. All I am asking now is to have the appropriate discussion first.

There is a related post from him immediately above yours on my talk page. His post followed an inqiry from me at his talk page. I will compile some other material.

I probably would have been satisfied to let this dispute run the natural course, but it seems like every time I think something is settled with him, something else goes wrong. Maurreen 12:41, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * My communication and problems with jguk began at Talk:September_11,_2001_attacks/Title & comma archive, after I added a comma to the article&#8217;s title.


 * You can see comments related to that at User talk:Jongarrettuk, mainly under &#8220;Sept. 11 attacks,&#8221; and on User talk:Maurreen, mainly under &#8220;Re: Vote on Sept. 11,&#8221; and at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers).


 * In Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style--Draft Trim discussion archive, jguk said: &#8220;Where we can, we should avoid using language that marks it out as being US/UK or as preferring one particular style of writing words over another.&#8221; He has made similar or stronger statements in the Village Pump and all or most of these other pages I list.


 * But to my knowledge, he has not started a discussion on this specific point on a policy page, and little or no other agreement has been shown by other users.


 * Other related comments are on Talk:Style guide and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, mainly under &#8220;Deletion from Misc. section&#8221; and &#8220;Reversion.&#8221;


 * I would prefer that he take a more deliberative approach, especially with policy matters. Thank you if you can help. Maurreen 13:41, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm quite happy with the difference between majority and consensus. I also don't see what's objectionable about a well publicised poll to get an idea of how fellow wikipedians view an issue. Those who want to ignore it will. Those who choose to voice an opinion will get it heard. I'm more than puzzled by Maurreen's objections. Talk:September 11, 2001 attacks seems to have poll after poll launched by Maurreen despite not obtaining consensus to hold a poll. None of which have any hope of gaining consensus; and none of which state the terms under which they will be decided. Regrettably she seems to oppose everything I do, and life is too short to spend it arguing with Maurreen. jguk 18:56, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Opposition to poll
My opposition is less a matter of being opposed to a given poll (especially when it's not out of the blue) than an an accumulation of frustration. jguk has deleted my comments on a talk page, although he later restored them. He made substantive changes to the W

WP:LCOTW
Filiocht 10:39, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

did you know
I'm really pounding through the requested mythology/folklore category, it's just my goal to get everything in there done. - Lifefeed 15:21, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Did you know
I'm not sure wether you're familiar with the section, but I'd like to ask you to check Template talk:Did you know. You updated just one fact when there was whole list of ones waiting to be included. No obligations, of course, just to let you know. I've taken the liberty of updating the other 3 facts. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 18:01, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, I didn't know. Is this recent, or have people just not bothered to let me know in the past? Thanks. -- user:zanimum

King levitation
I almost listed it on VfD, but there were several hits on Google, so that's why I put it on Cleanup and asked all those questions. RickK 20:40, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Zuiderzee Works
After comparing the picture to the article, I've decided to use the map instead. It's not great, but it should suffice. Now, the introduction to Zuiderzee Works needs some expansion, so would you please do the honors? &rarr;Raul654 04:10, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Ray Davis (general)
Thanks for the promotion to Did you know...! A quibble, however: the lead-in paragraph should cite Davis as General Raymond Gilbert (Ray) Davis rather than general Raymond Gilbert (Ray) Davis, much as one would write President Richard M. Nixon. Ground 21:21, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I guess I can edit Template:Did you know myself (I thought only admins were able). Never mind =] Ground 21:24, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WikiMagic
Thank you for your invitation to join your WikiMagic project. I haven't been on Wikipedia for a while, so I apologise my late reply. Magic is a hobby for me so am not into it in a big way, and as such can only contribute where I can. I have made some small contributions/edits along the way, and I hope to carry on doing this as time goes on. TonyW 02:08, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Re: FAC
Hi MGM,

Indeed, I frequently comment on FA candidates, and I often object at first, simply because many fail to comly with the standards. Then again, there have also been many that I do agree with "on first sight". Dig into the FAC-history if you will to see which ones. Jeronimo 08:55, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Protected News
I agree and wanted to remove the oldest news entry, the news template was protected because of vandalism, see my comment here: Template_talk:In_the_news. Luckily it has been unprotected at last! -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 10:51, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Main
Hey there, we meet again ;) I think the none tag is always used on the Featured Article of the day for a reason, here your version looks very akward as actual white space appears in the image, I'm not sure what the cause of it is, but I think we should stick to the none tag, as the placement is done with the div tags anyways. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 12:50, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

You can't revert Talk:Main Page because I already did :) Happens to me sometimes, when you try to revert a second after someone else already has. If you want the FA of the day template changed you might want to start a discussion here: Today's featured article. For now I think we should stick with the format, it looks ok here. I also checked the table thing on the anniversaries, I can't see the difference, maybe that's just me. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 12:56, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

FOTD
I had actually noticed it already from your talk page, I think it's a splendid idea and I will surely try to find time to contribute to the project. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 13:14, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * I've add the project here: Goings-on, to get it some exposure. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 13:20, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Template:In the news
Yes, it's supposed to be freely editable. But I protected it last night (with a note to unprotect as soon as possible) after a blitz of vandalism. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 15:30, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Admin
I don't really aspire to be an admin as there's so much that can be done on WP without admin powers, and by personal WP todo list has only been growing recently. I am currently also very busy school-wise and an admin nomination would probably only increase my Wikipediholism! Thank you for your kind words though, it is much appreciated. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 16:11, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Magic project?
I'd like to discuss some issues with your magic project. Are you a magician? I ask this because if you are it will make it easier to discuss, if you aren't, there are some things you should know about magicians... that your project seems to ignore. Are you open to some criticism? If so, please contact me on my talk page.Pedant 17:38, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)
 * ok, since you are a hobby magician, (and I am probably in the same category, since I couldn't call myself a professional magician any more) to me that means you are a magician. If that's the case, you must be familiar with some form of the magicians oath?  I assume that you are, since you edited an article that refers to it.  If you are, have you taken the Oath?  If so... etc.  you know where I'm going with this?  I'd like to reconcile the Oath with the content of articles describing magic, and since you have started the magic project, I thought I'd start with you and see if we can come to some agreement as to what's right, then spread that around as a policy for editors working on performance magic articles.  comments?Pedant 20:23, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't taken the oath personally, but I try to live by it. This means that I'm trying to be careful with exposure. There is stuff like, say palming, that's familiar to most people, and described in almost any magic book out there. So I don't really have a problem with entering that in the pedia. The Balducci levitation is harder nut to crack, and then there's stuff I won't even think about when it comes to exposure (for example: Two card monte). That's why I brought up copyright in some other discussion. Effects are copyrighted and revealing them, means breaking that law. Go ahead, and try if you can get more people in on the act. And feel free to contact me again if I haven't been too clear. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 20:31, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * ok, here's my proposal, a template for magic revelations like
 * The following section reveals secrets of a magical illusion. This section is for magicians only, and fall under the Magician's Oath of Secrecy.  Do not reveal the secret of these illusions to non-magicians without a vow of secrecy:  "I promise to never reveal the secret of a magical illusion to a non-magician without swearing them to the Oath of Secrecy" -- The magician's oath
 * or something similar. It won't protect illusions at all, but still keeps the tradition, and is better than the 'spoiler' notice... if we can come up with a good wording for the template.  comments?Pedant 20:18, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)


 * Mgm. I saw you are editing card magic. You might found a few pictures I took for the equivalent hebrew entry useful. http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%A9:Gloomy#card_back_palm

Re:
See reply @ User_talk:Sam_Spade. Sam [Spade] 12:54, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wikinews demo up and running
Hi!

I'm writing to let you know that the Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved the first stage of the Wikinews project. There's now a fully operational English demo site at demo.wikinews.org. This will be used for experimenting with various review models and basic policies before the site is launched officially in about a week. demo.wikinews.org will become the English version later. You voted for the Wikinews project, so I'm asking for your participation now. Everything is open, nothing is final. What Wikinews will and can be depends in large part on you. There already is a global Wikinews mailing list for discussing the project. If you are interested at all, please subscribe -- coordination is of key importance. There's also an IRC channel #wikinews on irc.freenode.net. Realtime discussion can help to polish up articles. If you're looking for something to do, check out the articles in development and articles in review. Or start a new story in the Wikinews workspace, or ignore the proposed review system - it's up to you. I hope you'll join us soon in this exciting experiment.--Eloquence* 01:58, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Zuiderzee Works
I implemented your suggestion, I think it's about ready to be featured on the Main page. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 12:17, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Sweepstake (or sweepstakes for that matter)
Well. It seems this is more complicated than I thought. "Sweepstake" is undoubtedly a word, and my guess is that it is the original form (though I can't verify that). However, you're right, "sweepstakes" exists as a synonym as well as a plural. Deb 17:10, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input, Mgm! I put my thinking about the origin on the page. But I didn't find where it was "featured on the main page" (of Template:Did You Know; can you point me? I found it at [], though. --Dhartung 22:07, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

List of Magic Venues
It's there now. There's only one item on the list, but hopefully that will start the ball rolling. &mdash; Brim 00:16, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you for noticing me that. Which admin is responsible for adding new articles to "Did you know?" section? Maybe I'll open a good wine, it's really great. I'm enjoying it right now. I started 84 articles, but it's my first time it's been added to main page. So, thanx! Darwinek 00:58, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

Inorganic chemical substances
Inorganic substances

Thank you for the welcome message. As I am new to Wikipedia, I wanted to get your advice and suggestions. I am a chemistry professor (British but working in the US), so I am mainly putting up info on chemistry. I would like to add several new pages on particular chemical compounds, both inorganic and organic. I have a few thoughts on improvements to the organisation, and I wondered how I should proceed with these. I noticed that you edited one of my chemistry submissions (thanks!) and judged that you might be someone who could advise me and give your opinion on how to proceed.

1. There seem to be two separate strands of chemical substance information- for example if one wants information on a particular inorganic compound such as copper(I) oxide. One strand is found (through categories) after a tedious set of clicks going from the main page --> science --> chemistry --> chemicals --> chemical compounds --> inorganic compounds --> oxides. The other strand is the listing on the List of compounds page, which I stumbled upon. Many things listed on one page are not listed on the other and vice versa, and there is no link between them. Is there some better way of organising this information?
 * The categorization system is not meant to find stuff, but to properly place it within a context . So having chemistry as a subsection of science isn't all that bad. However, to have both the categories chemicals and chemical compounds present seems a bit too much. I'd prefer to cut one of the 2 and while "chemical compounds" might be the proper name, I expect people to remember to include "Chemicals". Wikipedia:Categorization for more info on that. What kind of categorization did you have in mind?

2. I think the "categories" hierarchy currently leaves a lot to be desired. For a start, you shouldn't need to go through so many subcategories to reach a particular substance. Also, the word "chemicals" may be used as a noun in the vernacular, but the more official word used by chemists would be "chemical substances". I would propose that the categories approach should go main page --> science --> chemistry --> chemical substances --> inorganic compounds --> oxides It may be possible to also list compounds by element- by including a link to the Periodic table (standard). Many of the subcategories listed are wierd- why should there be a subcategory for "arsenides" (which make up perhaps one in 100 000 inorganic compounds) whereas there is no category for halides (which probably make up about 20% of this category!). Also, "alloys" are listed as inorganic compounds- my understanding is that alloys should not be classed as compounds at all, rather as mixtures. Could I add some more categories to these sections? If so, how?
 * Oh, I see. I guess that could work, but it'll mean an awful lot of work. Categories can be made by adding to the bottom of an article, which automatically adds the article to that category. You can write an intro to that category, by clicking its link and editing the page. So add a category for "halides" and if you know a better place to put alloys then go right ahead.

3. I notice inconsistency in the way metal compounds are named. For example you can find both copper(I) oxide and copper (II) oxide versions of the nomenclature. This can be a problem if no redirection is given, since a search under one name may fail to find the substance listed under the other name. When I checked up on the IUPAC convention, I confirmed for myself that the former version of the name (no space between metal and the first parenthesis) is the correct version. See the section on oxidation number at http://www.chem.qmul.ac.uk/iupac/bioinorg/MO.html#62 I have checked about a dozen modern books- both research and teaching texts- and all list the name in this fashion. I would like to get agreement from people to use this system for naming inorganic compounds, and to allow the pages to be edited to the correct name if the wrong name is used. So far when editing I have just left the original version of the name.
 * There's a move button at the top of your screen if you use the monobook skin. Carefully type the real name and the page automatically gets moved, with a redirect left in the old place. Just don't forget to discuss it with the local editors if it's a popular article, or you might make them angry.

4. I also notice inconsistency between elements. Could we perhaps have all elements' "home pages" include a list of all of the compounds of that element that are on the site? For example neodymium has an extensive list of compounds (listed by formula), most of which have no article, whereas cerium (a similar metal) has no such list.

5. Is there some kind of chemistry discussion group that deals with these kinds of issues? I think it would be good to get some kind of consensus from all of the regular contributors in this category, so people don't start editing wars and wasting everyone's time. I think it could really clean things up and help people find the right article and the most useful links. Do you even have topic-based discussion groups on Wikipedia outside the village pump?


 * What can I say? They're all good ideas. Maybe you should head over to the WikiProject Chemistry to ask for support...

Thanks for your help, Martin A. Walker Walkerma 23:25, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please help me
Dear MacGyverMagic, please, If you can help me in the case "forgotten password", do it. I tried already to use the service "send me a new password", but it doesn´t work. What I can do? To remain "an anonym 194.228.18.42", or to register as a new user? The best would be, If I could receive a new password, in spite of not provided any password at my sign up (probably). Otherwise it could be because of cookies (bad or non - cookies I do not understand), but my logging in at Czech wiki is OK, for example. Can you set for me a new password? Pls see my e-mail here *http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Jan and here *http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediisto:Jan Thank you very much, JanJosef --194.228.18.42 07:21, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JanJosef

Yo Mac!
Yo Mac! Whats up? Thanks for letting me know about your administrationship vote. Otherwise It might have gone unnoticed to me.

Anyways I voted for you to be an adm. based on the quality of person you are and the quality of your contributions.

Thanks and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, "Antonio Heart of Glass Martin"

Re:Did you know has been updated
Hi Magic, Which article are you referring to? And in which part of the 'Did you Know' page was it mentioned? Thank you for informing me. Yours -- Xaxerian|(talk)

Original quote- And an article you created recently has made the line up and is now featured on the main page. Enjoy! -- Mgm|(talk) 09:11, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)