User talk:MacedoniaBitola

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Hello, I was wondering, could you tell me how you learned about Wikipedia and this debate?--Avg (talk) 20:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Why you wanna know that? --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just a curious person. Of course you're not obliged to answer my question.--Avg (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

From where are you? --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to sume good faith here, but if I have to guess, he must have watched Channel five ;)-- L a v e o l  T 21:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Warning
Please stop your disruptive editing to the Talk:Macedonia page and elsewhere, or you will be blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Why? --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 12:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Because that page is not for people to spread national propaganda or engage in political soapboxing. If you have nothing constructive and concrete to say about how to improve the article under the policies of verifiability and the neutral point of view, that page is not for you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't spread national propaganda, Greeks do, I'm just defending my homeland. Tell me an example --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 12:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * For instance that rant of yours I just removed. Don't do that. Last warning, next time you're blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have blocked you for a short while. Before you come back, please read WP:NOTAFORUM and WP:NOTSOAPBOX. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Is this a discrimination, you say I spread propaganda, but what the Greeks do? For example the article "Rename FYROM to Vardarska" - this isn't a propaganda?? Are the rules same for all the people, why Greeks have right to humilate macedonia and macedonian people? --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 12:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Greek Macedonia
For your information, "Macedonia" (Μακεδονία) was a legitimate administrative region of Greece until the 1987 administrative reform. Andreas (T) 13:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MacedoniaBitola&action=edit&section=453, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3486126180_83d90ff118_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/3485309357_7a91fa587e_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/3486125530_03a3798b7a_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3486138854_6e9d8c2202_b.jpg --MacedoniaBitola (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

In a now deleted post you quoted: "in the conquered territories. The northern portion was called South Serbia, the southern portion was called Northern Greece. For many years the Greeks avoided the use of the name Macedonia to describe its northern province"

This quote is apparently from a book by John Shea.

In fact, the Greek region (διαμέρισμα) in question was called officially "Μακεδονία", and was not known under any other name, until the administrative reform of 1987, when three new administrative divisions were formed, all three having the word Μακεδονία as part of thier name, so the source you quote is evidently mistaken. The Greeks did indeed suppress the use of the word "μακεδονικός/ή" for the language or the ethnic group, but not for their territory. The previous "Ministry for Northern Greece" (now called "Ministry for Macdenonia-Thrace") was and is responsible for two regions, Macedonia and Τhrace, therefore the name.

Here is a Greek map from 1919:
 * Χάρτης της Ελλάδας του 1919 με το Βιλαέτι του Αϊδινίου. Λιθογραφία

You can see that the Northern part is labelled ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ Andreas  (T) 21:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's another one: a coin from 1963. Andreas (T) 13:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Map on a Greek school book of 1977 (see legend at lower right corner). Andreas (T) 20:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)