User talk:Macedonian/Archive 2

Modern Greek Enlightenment
Thank you for drawing my attention to it! Ashmedai 119 (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thesprotia
Thank you for dealing with this patriotic campaign. Just happened to saw this disruption in the villages of Thesprotia.CrazyMartini (talk) 21:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, nice of you to deal with it, it seems like pure sock puppetry... A Macedonian (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Marathon
The Battle of Marathon took place 2,499 years ago (2010) as there was no 0 BCE. The 2,500 years anniversary will take place in 2011. Please take this into consideration. User:79.167.247.51
 * You are actually right... A Macedonian (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Seal
Thanks for making these edits, but the seal seems to be very controversial. Please read my thoughts here. Bye and thanks again. --Sulmuesi (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What ever is best for the article, Sulmuesi. A Macedonian (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

hello
thank you for your message. i will read the introduction link you sent and, perhaps i will create an account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.209.149.42 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Re:Hi
No problem. --AznBurger (talk) 15:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Demeter
I am a Greek.I have written most of the existing text and I tried to make some clean-up (as it is proposed) without changing the meaning.The references are correct.Kretzmer asserted that "da" is the doric form of "ge" and doubts that "de" is derived from deai,because in his opinion the original word was zeai (Ionic ζηαί .comp. sanskr.javai) (ref.Martin Nilsson).Pokorny connects the name with albanian dhe,but it is rejected by Kretzmer.He connects it also with Thracian Σε-μέλη (ζε-μέλω) which is possible.In my opinion Demeter substituted the "mother of God" (Velchanos) and I included it in the text.In my opinion the text I propose is better than the existing.All the references are correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.176.27 (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed the section needs a good clean-up, including all etymological theories, with respect to WP:RS that is. I will try to do so when I have some free time. A Macedonian (talk) 19:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Istanbul
An article that you have been involved in editing, Istanbul , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. İnfoCan (talk) 20:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Alexikoua for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 21:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Of course it's just a mistake. Anyway, thanks for the note. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

What's interesting is that BarkingFish apologized for his revert, since behind this was Zjarritues, who admitted that he misinformed him in irc.Alexikoua (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * O tempora! O mores! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, my sources are these: the ones on Paul Augsust's talkpage(the latest section) and the ones that the giy Jingiby put in the talk page. According to wikipedia rules, all "significant viewpoints" have to be mentioned, otherwise it it not neutral and POV. Actually, please, please read the latest section in Paul August's talk page and you will see my point, I hope you understand (the latest section in his talkpage got a bit messy, dont know what happened).

Kind Regards 41.135.42.106 (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Then provide a reliable source for it and add it to the article. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Captions
"Territories claimed on behalf of "Greater Albania" by most Albanians."

You can't make that statement about what "most Albanians" want unless you can show that it applies to >50% of Albanians. (I'd prefer >75%, but >50% is still a valid interpretation of "most".)

Further attempts to reinsert such a caption without proof that all ethnic Albanians have been individually surveyed regarding their territorial ambitions will be seen as bad faith and earn you a block. DS (talk) 17:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not my claim at all. It is based on this source and it's also stated in the Greater Albania article, see section Region for details: According to the Gallup Balkan Monitor 2010 report, the idea of a Greater Albania is supported by the majority of Albanians in Albania (63%), Kosovo (81%) and the Republic of Macedonia (53%). A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 17:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That's still not "most Albanians", since there's nearly 8 million Alb. worldwide, and Albania+Kosovo+Macedonia is barely 5.2 million - plus you didn't include the poll's margin of error. "Of Albanians surveyed in Albania, Kosovo, and the Republic of Macedonia, 63% preferred 'Albanian territory should be 5 times bigger than it now is' over 'Albanian territory should be 8 times bigger than it now is'; this poll is considered 91% accurate, 19 times out of 20." If you can provide a caption with all of those details, I'll allow it. This is a big concession on my part, by the way - I originally wanted proof that you'd surveyed all ethnic Albanians, individually. DS (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Greek loanwords
Please take care that the words are indeed Greek loanwords and not

a)derived from Greek (and so not originally Greek)

b) derived from another language

I have reverted Yotta and Zetta for the above reasons so far. Ian Cairns (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I actually thought about that too, however Category:Greek loanwords also contains derivations. Perhaps the tittle should change to Category: Words from Greek or something like that. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think I need to apologise for being too fast off the mark. It does appear that the category may well include some / most of these words. Sorry. Ian Cairns (talk) 22:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's ok. Although they come from Greek, I revert myself, since prefixes (or suffixes) don't really look good there. I will add them in the List of Greek words with English derivatives, if they are not listed there already. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

WP:NCGN
Please read the rule WP:NCGN for your edit. Ggia (talk) 10:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Gatoulis
ta ta shoooooo....ta ti sho yolanda---horosho horosho yolanda

"Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Refugees of the Greek Civil War, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed." - I reverted Slavomacedonians to ethnic Macedonians, as that is the official nowadays term for these people, and Slavomacedonians is considered insultive. That is not constructive? I think you made nonconstructive revertion. But it's been long known that some Wikipedia editors are usually frustrated and have no real life. Ironically, you got that image at the bottom of your user page, the one about wiki edits. 89.205.48.136 (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually you are right, this article needs many corrections, I will try to work on it in time. But why "insultive"? It's a fact that they are Slavs and it's also a fact they are unrelated to ancient Macedonians, even if they are using their name. I'm glad you read my userpage, hope you learned a couple of things. Please try to avoid harassment. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Palestinian people article
Thanks for the comment. Though I was a bit flippant on the talk page, I did not incorporate bias into the Palestinian people article. Saying "the origins of Palestinian people is politicized" is not personal analysis, it is a true statement that is supported in the body of the article and helps the reader understand the subject of the article.

The revisions that were made to my edits were the POV ones. They use out-of-context quotes to assert the idea that Palestinians have a long history.

I have always explained myself on the talk page. Quoting Encyclopedia Britannica is bad form. EB is a wiki. Read the EB article that is quoted, you can see the political bias.

I didn't vandalize, I used the talk page and tried to be as NPOV as I could. I'm not the bad Wikipedian here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.158.88 (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but Encyclopedia Britannica is considered a reliable source. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Message from 173.62.160.11
Hello. Sorry about that edit. I like Wikipedia! It's fun to edit pages. By the way, Religion is not a pill that makes people feel better. It's important to the lives of many humans. If you need a pill to make you feel better, I suggest taking some oxycodone. It's my favorite medicine! Merry Christmas! BYE!
 * Lol, I'll probably give it a try after this conversation! Now please take a look at Introduction on how you can contribute. Merry Christmas to you too! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:34, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

List of Hospitals in Denmark
Please consult and comment on the talk page, before thinking about undoing my edit. Thank you. Meewam (talk) 14:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I was in Recent changes when I saw Blanked the page and I reverted without checking it. I apologise. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 16:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

PA
SOrry for my oversight, can you please specify the exact nature of my personal attack ? Was it to you ? Hxseek (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC) (A Macedonian, A Slav, An Aussie, A Balkan boy, A Christian) !
 * Sure, let me refresh your memory, it's here. Just a Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 15:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah. Looking at your personal page, I wasn't exactly off the mark, although you are far more moderate than most Hxseek (talk) 02:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Lame wording, Hxseek. Except of course if you consider them to be nationalists... Anyway, glad you visited my user page, hope you learned a couple of things! :) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I did learn a lot. Trully inspirational stuff. Good to see that you are really into uncovering the nuts and bolts of the emergence of Macedonia, and not wrapped up with the modern Politics. You're a true scholar ! What was your inspiration ? Hellas.org ? Hxseek (talk) 01:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Truth hurts, Hxseek? Hence another personal attack? FYI, never heard of it till now, of course. Cheers! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Etymology
Hi. I reverted your change to Optics. As far as I can see, the reference you cited (Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon) doesn't say that the greek word they are discussing is the source of the English word. A Greek-English dictionary tells you what Greek word corresponds to any given English word (and vice-versa). It does not necessarily tell you what the etymology of the English word is. In this case, the previous text was supported by a reference to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology, which I take to be a more authoritative source on the origins of English words. It is also 56 years more recent; perhaps scholarly opinion on the etymology of this word has changed over time.

Another issue: I noticed this edit, where you added etymology to the first sentence of the article. This style is appropriate for a dictionary, but not for an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wikipedia articles are about things, not (generally) about the words that describe them. The first sentence of an article should concisely describe the subject of the article, which in this case is the disease glaucoma, not the word glaucoma. The etymology of the word is peripheral at best. I moved the etymology lower in the introduction.--Srleffler (talk) 05:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks! However, etymology traces where words come from and in this case, the English word optics even with the sense of "appearance or look" indeed comes from optikos, meaning "of sight" or "for sight". If we continue to trace the word further more we'll see that optikos comes from ὀπτός (optos), "visible", from ὁράω, ὄψομαι (oraō, opsomai), "see, behold, look on", from root ὀπ- (op-), from ὄψ (ops), "eye, face", but this style is indeed appropriate for a dictionary! In any case, I try to follow WikiProject Etymology. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Etymologies not related to article subject
Well, it's been almost a month since Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Etymology was posted, and there hasn't been any response. As far as I can tell, there never has been any rationale for including etymology of the English word used to represent a topic in the article about that topic, or any place that suggests that it is allowed where not relevant to the subject itself. I can't see any possible outcome of this issue other than the eventual deleting/transwikiing of the etymological content, and I really don't see much need to delay. What do you think? --Yair rand (talk) 21:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I informed a couple of WP:Etymology members, hope they'll take a look at it and decide what is best for wikipedia. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Macedonian Bulgarians and Bulgarian Macedonians
Hi! An new registred user User:Eddie1kanobi is making a strange edits there. What about his case? Regards. Jingby (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Here we go again, when will they stop? Anyway, I warned him too. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Eddie1Kanobi read the links at least. you don't like the truth uh? ;) —Preceding undated comment added 20:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC).
 * They certainly not considered reliable, so yes, I don't like them. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Mactruth
Just to let you know I've started a discussion at ANI. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You read my mind, I was just going to do the same. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 12:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

76.105.254.23 (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
You really consider that vandalism? 76.105.254.23 (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, which edit are you referring to? A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, you are talking about this one. Well, actually yes, it is. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Phyllo
yes. you are vandalizing the article "phyllo". the article clearly states it's a food of Turkic origin, whereas used in the former Ottoman region. I know why you are vandalizing the article anyway. It's very clear to see from your profile that you are using article to fullfill your nationalist anger. remember this is not a forum where racists fight. please take your nationalist hatred elsewhere. and focus on what you can contribute on the article. thanks.
 * Can you cite me where in wikipedia rules it says to revert without asking/debating/discussing/explaining the reason? We have Talk Page if you have any objections.

January 2011
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:Phyllo, you may be blocked from editing. Toddst1 (talk) 22:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 22:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Toddst1, I reverted personal attacks against me here and here per No personal attacks, the rest are explained in Talk:Phyllo. How come you haven't warned him about those personal attacks? A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I see those less as personal attacks and more of acknowledging the nationalistic bent evidenced in your username and identifying problems. Toddst1 (talk) 22:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please let me understand, what exactly are you referring to? If you have a look at my contributions I think you will realise that removing my rollback rights is rather unfair. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Rather, you were edit warring. Edit warriors do not need rollback. Toddst1 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I was dealing with disruptive editing (removal of translation etc.) and I did not break 3RR. But even if I was edit warring as you say, punishing me by removing my rollback rights is unfair and that can be proved by taking a look at my history. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, you removed a translation that you unilaterally decided shouldn't be in the article - repeatedly. I can't imagine how adding an additional translation can be construed as disruptive.  We're not talking about the Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook here.    Toddst1 (talk) 23:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted his edits, explaining why. What about my rollback rights back?A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 23:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Another editor seems to understand my concerns. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 23:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not the point. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just get both in trouble: User_talk%3ACamoka4. Toddst1 (talk) 00:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You are fair. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit war
Hello. You appear to be involved in an edit war on Phyllo. While the three-revert rule is hard and fast, please be aware that you can be blocked for edit warring without making 3 reverts to an article in 24 hours. You are not entitled to 3 reverts and are expected to cooperatively engage other editors on talk pages rather than reverting their edits. Note that posting your thoughts on the talk page alone is not a license to continue reverting. You must reach consensus. Continued edit warring may cause you to be blocked. Toddst1 (talk) 22:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)