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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Romania rail succession templates


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Justification for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Mount Royal station
Hello,

I am not interested in perpetuating the notion that this is some kind of personal dispute, but since you moved the Mount Royal Station article back away from the disambiguation, I would like to point out that there is a very clear case that it is not the primary topic. Mont-Royal station (Montreal Metro) is a transit station named for Mount Royal in Quebec, which is already the primary topic for the place name "Mount Royal" due to its notability, despite the existence of other places in Quebec named Mount Royal. Mont-Royal station (Montreal Metro) is linked 95 times elsewhere on English Wikipedia and has been translated into multiple languages, whereas Mount Royal Station (Baltimore) has not been mentioned outside of English Wikipedia and has been linked 69 times elsewhere. (If we're being generous here - many of the pages that link the Baltimore one are just various User pages and the like.)

Mount Royal Station (Baltimore) is a defunct station which essentially primary functions as a university building for Maryland Institute College of Art. I do not see why it should remain the primary topic when it is a) the only Mount Royal Station article that is not currently a functioning train station and b) not the article related to the existing primary topic for Mount Royal. I could maybe see a justification for making the Quebecois station being the primary topic, but given that this would require a redirect to the French-language common name, that would also be potentially confusing.

It won't be a simple move now, but I will be going through the process to get it changed back. I don't make "bold" edits for changes unless I am 100% sure of them, and I think this case is as clear cut as it gets. --Middle river exports (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, upon further consideration - it should not be moved back to Mount Royal Station (Baltimore and Ohio Railroad) either. It is not just a former train station, it is currently a university building. (See .) It should be Mount Royal Station (Maryland Institute College of Art). This is in line with University Hall (Brown University) and Convocation Hall (University of Toronto), other university buildings with ambiguous names. --Middle river exports (talk) 21:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Middle river exports: How about finding consensus on the talkpage before moving articles? It would save you and everybody else some trouble.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:BOLD: "Fix it yourself instead of just talking about it. If you notice an unambiguous error or problem that any reasonable person would recommend fixing, the best course of action may be to be bold and fix it yourself rather than bringing it to someone's attention in the form of a comment or complaint. In the time it takes to write about the problem, you could instead improve the encyclopedia." Per BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, discussing the change after the fact in this case is not even required, although it is merited in this case since it was explicitly brought to my attention. If you can provide a justification as to why Mount Royal Station (Baltimore historical landmark) is the primary topic, feel free to make that argument, as I am open to discussion if there is a compelling basis for it. I would say that any trouble this caused could have been prevented by evaluating the basis for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here, and reading my edit summary which made the justification as clear as if it were on the talk page. --Middle river exports (talk) 22:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The complaint about breaking redirects is somewhat valid, and I have now at least fixed the redirect on the most relevant articles, templates, and modules. The existing wikimedia infrastructure is quite good about handling this sort of change at this point though, and the fact that relevant topics should still be tied to the same location through the relevant Wikidata item should help smooth over some of the disruption that comes with disambiguating pages. Note that in this case, most existing links were simply from a handful of template transclusions. --Middle river exports (talk) 22:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of WP:BOLD, thank you. However, having had your move contested, you are expecved to open a discussion, not just try something else.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this not a discussion? You are free to participate in it. The person who reverts a change is expected to have a justification other than ad hominem. You can't just contest edits just because you disagree with WP:BOLD. --Middle river exports (talk) 22:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Middle river exports I think you misunderstand BRD. Under BRD, you made a move (B), it was contested (R), and there should be a discussion (D). What you've done is made more moves while also posting on my talk page, which is not to be confused with the article talk page. Frankly, this is disruptive. Please put everything back where it was and open a move discussion. Mackensen (talk) 22:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to fill up an article talk page with discussion about an uncontroversial move; likewise you may have forgotten that you started the discussion of this move on user talk pages, not on the article talk page. You are free to open up a move discussion or start a discussion on the article talk page if you believe there is a reason to do so. If you aren't that invested in this topic you are also free to abstain from discussion. --Middle river exports (talk) 23:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * By definition the move is controversial; I think the B&O station is the primary topic and shouldn't have been moved. I'm not obliged to start the discussion inasmuch as I think the status quo was acceptable though I'm open to being convinced otherwise. You started the BRD process. You were reverted. You're now move-warring. Mackensen (talk) 23:10, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've moved the article back to Mount Royal Station. I've made no other changes. I look forward to the requested move process. Mackensen (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "I think the B&O station is the primary topic and shouldn't have been moved. I'm not obliged to start the discussion"
 * You do have to give a reason, or address my points, which you haven't. I did provide multiple points as to why it is not the primary topic, maybe you did not read them or forgot them. I will start a discussion since you are unwilling, but it was your prerogative to do so in this case just to set the record perfectly straight. --Middle river exports (talk) 23:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Requested_moves/Technical_requests Linking as a formality, although your disinterest in the discussion was heard and I will cease user talk page posting at this point. Middle river exports (talk) 23:54, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll address them in due course during the subsequent requested move discussion. At this stage it's enough that I don't think it should be done without a move discussion with broader participation. Mackensen (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Delaware and Hudson Railway
Hello Mackensen, yes, I indeed believe that the sequential unsourced edits on the Delaware and Hudson Railway are the work of blocked user who returns under various ISPs. (Under an apparent real name in a now-abandoned account this editor has been on Wikipedia since 2007.) This is a WP:HIGHMAINTENANCE editor who has made good gramatical edits but also adds substantial unsourced content to railroad-related articles. In talk page comments such as this the editor describes reversions of his unsourced content as "vandalism" and demands an arbitrator. Quite a pity as the knowledge and interest is there but to date there is no indication of him being willing to provide sourcing or to work in consensus. Blue Riband► 16:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Understood and thanks for the follow-up. Not an isolated case, unfortunately. Mackensen (talk) 18:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I regret my comment, and am quite willing to work on facts-alone. Most of my edits are 6/2021-on. (The few “nasty” ones, from 2007 or pre-2021, were posted when I couldn’t even find a “Talk” mode and used the article sites themselves to complain about “censorship” by unknown editors,) Do not have precise Shaughnessy page handy(his death is a HUGE loss), but a fast Google search will readily give you the correct dates of 1/24/63 south and 1/25/63 back to Albany. In the interest of accuracy, kindly:

(a)Replace “early 1963” with the two specific dates; and (b)Let’s stop name-calling both ways, for the site’s benefit.

Thank you.

Donald L. Pevsner Attorney-at-Law Railroad Preservationist (Ulster and Delaware Railroad; Walkway Over The Hudson (NYNH&H Poughkeepsie Bridge); Portion of Wallkill Valley Railroad; et al.). 174.212.99.253 (talk) 02:33, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Mr. Mackensen:

If you agree with the above approach, would you be willing to make a very few, very minor (as in one-word) changes to 3 other sites that I am still blocked on? Goal: to replace wrong text with right text.

Please advise, and thanks. -DLP/ 174.212.99.253 (talk) 02:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I of course like to see the D&H article improved, although by asking me to make them on your behalf you place me in an awkward position, given that (as I understand it) you were blocked indefinitely for personal attacks (see WP:BANREVERT). The usual way to get unblocked is some variation of Standard offer, making the request from your current account (16ConcordeSSC). That you've continued to evade the block by editing as an unregistered account, including casting aspersions on other editors, means that any such request would be rejected out of hand. I appreciate that you regret your comments and I thank you for that. Editing on Wikipedia requires empathy, patience, and suffering perceived fools gladly. My advice is to put Wikipedia out of your mind for a few months, and when you return, request unblock under that account under the conditions of the standard offer, making all appropriate apologies. I would be prepared to support unblocking under those conditions and would accept some responsibility for your conduct. Best, Mackensen (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Dear Mackensen:

With all due respect, I have apologized enough. I do not like nor admire “Star Chamber”-like cabals who relish punishing their designated transgressors (“HMUSERS” is a great insider allegation tool that I never heard of before), but my anger came simply from not knowing how to reply under “Talk” since 6/2021, rather than being arrogant, as previously stated. I also refuse EVER to kiss anyone’s ass in order to restore favor with my self-appointed punishers. If this means that I cannot correct the careless postings of others on 3-5 sites, so what? (Except that it pisses me off that you yourself, knowing the true data on this one D&H site, refuse to do it yourself to maximize the site itself, which logically OUGHT to be your and all other editors’ paramount goal.

If I were you, I would also question the “Wikipedia system” myself, rather than parroting its alleged dictates.

Thank you for writing me in a positive tone, which is a welcome change from all of the full-timers with 100,000-odd edits each and 15 years’ editing, who take pride in lording it over their perceived inferiors (like me) and, as a result, ruin the site itself per se. One of these “Editing Gods” should have offered to walk me through how I could put at least put my “deletion grievances” into the private “Talk” format, as I had no idea of how to source ANYTHING for at least 6 months: I used “minor edit” instead, as that is what I guessed without input what I was supposed to do!

-Donald L. Pevsner- 174.212.99.253 (talk) 00:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe the D&H article now more accurately describes the end of passenger service there, though I cannot afford to devote more time at present. My offer to assist you still stands as I've described. Please reflect on what I said about working with perceived fools. Wikipedia is a collaborative environment, and like any collaborative enterprise values those who have devoted more time and energy to its continuation. In my experience most non-profits function that way and there's nothing especially nefarious about it. Mackensen (talk) 00:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

A brief P.S.: I must confess that I have NEVER “suffered fools gladly”. This, on reflection, is why I got so angry when “editors unknown” arbitrarily deleted edits that I had worked hard on, with many decades of first-hand knowledge, and whom I knew no way to contact directly (as I do now with you,11 months later) in order to discuss. Again, no one told me one word about “Talk”, so I raised hell on the site itself by default. With “20/20 hindsight” as of today, I do indeed regret this, as otherwise I would never have alienated ANY other editor. 174.212.99.253 (talk) 00:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

(1)My last email crossed with your reply.

(2)Your correction is welcomed, particularly under the present circumstances. To be accurate, however, the dates should read:

“January 24-25, 1963”

( the last train overnighted in Binghamton and returned the following day)

(3)To advise you how minor the several remaining corrections are and their four sites, here they are:

(a)Rutland Railway site:

In text on abandoning Chatham Division south of North Bennington, VT, change “during the early 1950’s” to “1953”.

(b)In Kingston New York Railroad Stations (scroll halfway down the site list page) change on the early list of the four stations, for the last of the four:

“New York, Ontario and Western Railway Station”.

(c)In Wallkill Valley Railroad site, scroll to photo at very bottom, and change last caption word from “Rail” to “Railroad”.

(d)Go to PRR GG1 site; Scroll down to GG1 #4909; Add words to caption in          Parentheses as follows:

“ (sold to The Henry Ford Museum of Dearborn, Michigan in 2008; deeded back to the Leatherstocking Chapter Museum by the Henry Ford Museum as a gift on January 17, 2022, as a gift. REASON: The only connecting railroad, Norfolk Southern Railway, ultimately refused to move it from Cooperstown Junction, New York to Dearborn, citing alleged “clearance issues” at its Harrisburg, PA junction and the locomotive’s 475,000-pound weight.”)

I could not source an online source for thus, which is taken from my own phone chat with Henry Ford Museum Chief Curator, Marc Greuther, who signed the deed for the Ford Museum himself (!). Also confined by the President of the Leatherstocking Chapter-NRHS, by personal chat but no online source; this is Bruce E. Hodges, of Oneonta, NY who personally bough the engine from Conrail in 1979, for $30,000. Talk about “first-hand sources”! However, I got deleted and then blocked by a “Wikipurist” editor: same-old, same-old. What is more important, after all: the FORMAT/Rules or the TRUE FACTS, when in conflict? For God’s sake! (Can you please take this vital scenario/issue right up to Jimmy Wales for resolution, as it is vitally important to solve it.) 174.212.99.253 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Typos under GG1 section in last email:

(1)Used “as a gift” twice in one sententence.

(2)”confirmed by”, not “confinedby”.

(3)”bought”, not “bough”. 174.212.99.253 (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

(4)”source an online source for this”.

Yes, I am a perfectionist as to both accurate and clean copy. I wrote a nationally-syndicated weekly newspaper column for 15+ million Sunday readers (Universal Press Syndicate, “Travel Wise”)  for four years 1984-1988, and was a pro at journalism well before that. 174.212.99.253 (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Revised (1) and (2) above: keep getting run-ons on this damned Smartphone. 174.212.99.253 (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @174.212.99.253 - it's encouraging that you want to edit accurately. However your comments suggest that you expect to be considered a Subject Matter Expert. To quote the Expert editor essay, "Previously published reliable sources, not Wikipedia editors, have authority for the content of this encyclopedia."  Anonymous ISP editing, or surrogate editing, is not likely to help your cause.  It will only keep resetting the six-month clock before you can ask for the Standard offer.  If you cannot respect Wikipedia's policies - since 2007 - how can an administrator expect you to do so when unblocked?  I would suggest that you follow Mackensen's advice.  Stay off completely for six months, consider if this editorial environment is one where you can work collaboratively, then apply for the Standard offer. Blue Riband► 23:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I don’t like your rules or your rule makers. And I have better things to do with my time. Goodbye. 174.212.99.253 (talk) 04:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

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Frankford
Template:Trenton Subdivision (CSX Transportation), was the Frankford branch between Only and Lawndale?  Cards   84664   23:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, see Template:Frankford Branch (which I made later, and then didn't go back and correct it). Frankford Junction was at MP 8.1. Mackensen (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to flesh out the pre-1976 lines; see also my work-in-progress Template:Main Line (Reading Company). Mackensen (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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Adjacent stations bus modules
Hey, regarding Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains/Archive:_2022, what are your thoughts on:
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Skalica buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Los Angeles Metro Busway
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Bratislava buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Bratislava regional buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Bratislava-Vrakuňa buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Hlohovec buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Poprad buses
 * Module:Adjacent stations/Senica buses

Should these be kept or sent to TfD? Gonnym (talk) 10:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's case-by-case depending on the existence of articles. Module:Adjacent stations/Los Angeles Metro Busway, for example, is supporting bus rapid transit routes. We have articles about the routes and some of the stations. That one probably gets kept. Module:Adjacent stations/Bratislava buses is basically being used as an icon provider. could replace it, if the functionality is even necessary. Although, there's a school of thought that says you should use Adjacent stations that way to keep the logic out of rint. I've rolled up similar modules for trams; like Module:Adjacent stations/Trams in Zürich. Mackensen (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Well, if any of the above should not be kept, let me know and I can take them to TfD. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Ethan Allen Express
FYI, I've expanded Ethan Allen Express and nominated it for GA ahead of the July 29 extension, and I hope to finish Union Station (Burlington, Vermont) this week. Since you're the resident Amtrak expert here, any suggestions or edits would be welcomed. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Great work! It kills me that we've never gotten a better picture of the Ethan Allen Express. There's nothing wrong with the one we have, but it's uninspired. Mackensen (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Sadly, it's outside of my usual photography radius - I've only ever been in Rutland for about 10 minutes. I'm hoping to get far enough to catch the Berkshire Flyer in August, but doubtful I can justify the extra drive to Vermont. Perhaps the Burlington extension will net a Flickr photo or two. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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Module:Adjacent stations/Amtrak
In Module:Adjacent stations/Amtrak, I see a station entry called, which appears to be unused. Is there any reason to keep it? If there is, could it be merged into the  entry? Animal lover &#124;666&#124; 21:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * No, it does appear to be unused. Mackensen (talk) 22:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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File:BART_ticket.png
Could you grab the original version of File:BART_ticket.png and upload it over the existing Commons file? It was reduced in size as (incorrectly) non-free before it was transferred to Commons. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Mackensen (talk) 21:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, but Partial Revert
Thanks Mackensen for letting me know about the "No." thing, however I reverted the page EMD F40PH partially to put the images back in place to keep consistency with other rail articles. I had the "#" changed back though. AmerailEdits (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the reason for the change; having images deliberately located in one section so that they flow into the next section seems sub-optimal. This doesn't seem like an improvement to me. Mackensen (talk) 02:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed; I have reverted. Images should be kept with the text. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I get that it does seem odd, however, it is for the *consistancy*. Most other rail articles, such as EMD SD70 series or GE Evolution Series all contain their images to the right, plus it keeps the article cleaner. AmerailEdits (talk) 07:08, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's take this discussion to Talk:EMD F40PH. I tend to agree with Pi, and per WP:BRD I've undone your change for now. Mackensen (talk) 11:25, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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Rigi Staffel
What's your view on. I'm asking as I noticed you created countless similar station articles. Enhancing999 (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Enhancing999 Understandable, though I disagree with the redirection. It's possible to expand using zone maps and Eisenbahnatlas Schweiz. I would hold off on building out Rigi Railways station articles for the moment. Mackensen (talk) 14:12, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I created this one as it's the junction between the two lines, possibly built first by Arth-Rigi for use by Vitznau-Rigi. The only other I'd do is Kaltbad (terminus of the dismantled line and the cablecar). Enhancing999 (talk) 14:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've re-created it, with additional sources. Mackensen (talk) 15:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As I did categories for a few missing stations on Commons, I found overall coverage of current stations here excellent. A few former stations may be worthwhile. I tried . Enhancing999 (talk) 17:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth of Luxembourg
Sorry for edit warring. Is not it right that a page should match to the other pages in the English Wikipedia? I was just defending the good name of all of the other pages here, List of Hungarian monarchs, List of women rulers, List of Hungarian consort, etc. I can continue even more. All of the other pages mention there were only two undisputed female rulers ("kings") in the history of Hungary. Super20020917 (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Super20020917 well, it depends. Articles should be internally consistent, but if they're wrong, they should be changed. I haven't examined the sources provided by Deamonpen, but if they're reliable and they assert that Elizabeth was co-monarch, we shouldn't ignore that. Mackensen (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Well thanks for the reply. But, before the discussion, we should also note that even the foreign languages pages in Wikipedia also insist on what I've said. In the very Hungarian version Mary I(1371-1395) is called "kiralyno"( queen regnant) while Elizabeth is called "kiralyne" (queen consort) and so on, etc. Thank you very much. Super20020917 (talk) 16:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * That's important, of course, but variance between the various projects can happen. We can't solely rely on what the Hungarian version of the article says. Mackensen (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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Among the last unused
This one, Template:City Branch, is your creation. I've gone through your list of the unused RDT templates and have either added them to articles or I nominated them for deletion. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's another Philadelphia-area railway line. I ran into some sourcing issues; I do have an offline draft. I'll move it into my userspace for now. Thanks for all your work on this! Mackensen (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, I've been trouble editing to try to have Template:Elmers End–Centrale and Template:Arena–Centrale display on articles. On Elmers it transclude Arena. If you have time, take a look. These two are useful. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @WikiCleanerMan they seem redundant to, yes? Mackensen (talk) 02:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that you mentioned it, it does. I'll redirect it to Tramlink since it covers the same thing. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Missing funiculars
Hello, the above funiculars are currently missing in Wikipedia. I decided to add them over the next couple of days (or weeks) and thought it could interested you. Hopefully, they wont all end up in draft namespace (as Gerschnialpbahn). Enhancing999 (talk) 23:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Enhancing999 I feel like people are getting overeager about moving new articles to draft space. A funicular will certainly pass the GNG. Mackensen (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I doubt anybody but myself would ever edit them there, defeating the point of a collaborative editing environment in the first place.
 * To save energy, it might be better to do shorter stubs and with bibliographies for expansion.Enhancing999 (talk) 12:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You can always start them in your user space and then move them. I have access to Schienennetz Schweiz, which has useful statistical information, and I'd be happy to add that data. Mackensen (talk) 12:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Tianjin–Weifang–Yantai high-speed railway
Does the route map for this article, Template:Tianjin–Weifang high-speed railway RDT, need to be displayed after construction is completed or can it be regardless. There's an IP who feels is trying to claim ownership of the article instead of trying to reach a consensus. And unhelpful edit descriptions in response to others edits. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, the IP says it's wrong. I'm not in a place to judge that. Open a discussion at Talk:Tianjin–Weifang–Yantai high-speed railway? Mackensen (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of roads in Missouri


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Time to remove indefinite protection of Chuck Hughes?
Hi, Mackensen. When the Chuck Hughes article had a flurry of edits on Jan 3–4 after Damar Hamlin's collapse, you set indefinite protection. Based on the subsequent edit history, it looks like the protection was only needed for those first 2 days. Would you agree that it's safe to remove the protection now? Thanks for your consideration. —173.56.111.206 (talk) 05:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Certainly, I've removed it. Thanks for the reminder. Mackensen (talk) 12:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

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Comment
We're both old hands and that's one of the more vituperative attacks I've even seen one user make on another's integrity, and you posted it in a public place to make sure a bunch of people saw it (how many actually did is another matter). I've archived the thread (again) because no good can come of it of there. What happens next is up to you. Best, Mackensen (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I posted to the adminboard about a closure. No attack to the person was intended whatsoever (in the spirit of focus on the edits not the editor). My focus was the close.
 * As I said in the posting, I merely wanted to add my voice to the cacaphony (while admitting I was "away" from Wikipedia during the subsequent follow-up discussions), and so am perfectly fine with a closure/archiving. I just opposed it being merely reverted.
 * As an aside, I did not unarchive it, someone else did -.
 * And finally, as I hope you know, I do respect your opinion. And thank you. A note to my talk page was much appreciated. I thought this was resolved with the archive that already happened minutes after the initial posting.
 * I hope the day finds you well. - jc37 05:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Deleting link templates
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Nomination for deletion of Template:S-line/DB-ICE left/22
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funicular station coordinates
Hello. What is the suggested way to add coordinates for the (two) stations? I can't really make up my mind. I tried: At German Wikipedia, the route table seems to work (see de:Reichenbachfall-Bahn), but their coordinate template allows to skip display of full coordinates.
 * infobox rail line: Gerschnialpbahn
 * a short list: Dietschibergbahn
 * free text: Standseilbahn Linth-Limmern

I think the coordinates should be somewhere in the article. Enhancing999 (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, one option is to define a geo map and add it to the article. I did that on Gerschnialpbahn as an example; the data is on Commons: commons:Data:Gerschnialpbahn.map. It's possible to fiddle with the zoom and such; might be possible to add points for the stations too. Mackensen (talk) 23:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting feature. Maybe worthwhile for lines with more complex routes. For straight lines like Gerschnialpbahn, the route scheme is quite "close". The downside of OSM is that one can't rotate the maps. I noticed some geographic features using definitions from OSM directly and display that: maybe another possible option. For funiculars, they don't always consistently define them, but their coverage can be helpful.
 * Still, including both stations directly in Wikipedia allows tools like "wikimap" to work: and I wouldn't want to miss that. Enhancing999 (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)