User talk:Madame Necker

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Happy editing! Adakiko (talk) 21:36, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Category:Deniers of the Armenian genocide
I removed your AfD tag to Category:Deniers of the Armenian genocide as it's the wrong template for this. Suggest you read wp:Categories for discussion for more info before adding the CfD. Specifically wp:CfD You will also need to start a discussion and add a valid reason for its deletion. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Notices
-- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Pings
If someone is watching a page, you do not have to keep pinging them, and some (I by the way am not one of them) find it annoying. Slatersteven (talk) 18:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Slatersteven Thank you for contacting me. I take other people's complaints very seriously. Can you please tell me how can I know that you are watching a page? Madame Necker (talk) 18:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A reply is often a clue, another is if it is a regular poster there. But if someone has posted more than once in a thread, they do not need to be pinged as they are already aware of it. Slatersteven (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

🌻 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:507F:D061:356B:BEBC:D79B:4F42 (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

I have draftified the Rayleen Bauelua article
While closing its AfD discussion, I have converted the Rayleen Bauelua article into a draft, now located at Draft:Rayleen Bauelua. Feel free to add sourced material to the draft when you can and submit it through the article creation process when you think it's ready to become an article again. Note that if 6 months pass without the draft being edited, it will be deleted without discussion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Notices
 SPECIFICO talk 01:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOP
Mme Necker, I know we've been in a dispute, but I wanted to note concern on your contributions and warn you about forum shopping. This is my attempt to give you a reasonable suggestion of how to improve and not retaliatory or vengeful for having a disagreement with you. This thread could have easily been on a noticeboard but I am trying to give you an opportunity to correct course. I suggest you drop this line of editing and focus on being productive in the content area, not in pushing this. Andre🚐 19:31, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Created an account July 2 and first edit was to propose "deniers of the Armenian genocide" for deletion. and a frivolous DRV
 * July 3 WP:RGW on Gamergate
 * On July 19 suggested to remove statements of Hitler being bad.
 * Incivility at Talk:Hunter Biden laptop controversy
 * 7 days ago started thread at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch which was universally opposed
 * Today WP:FORUMSHOPped the same thread to Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons

While we're here, I would like to ask Madame whether she has or formerly had any other registered WP userids?  SPECIFICO talk 20:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Notice
Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 22:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate edits
was inappropriate and seems to be. Specifically, articles are not "retired" and, to put it bluntly, you are not experienced enough to be closing AfDs. I'm not sure why you are trying to get involved in the behind-the-scenes aspects of Wikipedia, despite quite clearly not being experienced enough to understand what is and is not appropriate, but I can tell you that it is disruptive. Salvio 10:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Salvio giuliano Thanks for correcting me. I use retire and delete synonymously. I wanted to close it because so many people voted to retire the article. Madame Necker (talk) 21:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert: Eastern Europe and the Balkans
—Michael Z. 22:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
Hey. Please note that there is a new general sanction; only extended-confirmed users are allowed to edit articles related to the Russo-Ukrainian War (WP:GS/RUSUKR). Prolog (talk) 12:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2022
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, you may be blocked from editing. JeffUK (talk) 13:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
 * I will always continue to be open to criticism and try to make my edits the best I can. However, I believe there is a line beyond which people fell under the spell of an ideology in such a way that there is no way to accept any righteous criticism from them. I don't know how you can reason with someone who places a North Korean flag next to their name. Absolutely neurotic.--Madame Necker (talk) 13:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Vichy Syndrome


The article Vichy Syndrome has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Vichy Syndrome isn't actually a thing by itself, but rather the title of a book. I think this article might be able to be salvaged, but it would need a complete rewrite from top to bottom, so probably better to just start over"

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Vichy Syndrome for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Vichy Syndrome is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Vichy Syndrome until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Tone and civility
Please review WP:BATTLEGROUND; your interactions with other editors gives the impression that you are assuming nefarious motives on their part. -- Ponyo bons mots 20:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ponyo Hi, I take your feedback very seriously and thank you for contacting me. Are you referring to my comment at Vichy Syndrome AfD or is it about something else? Cheers. Madame Necker (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is based on a number of your interactions with others in your time here, but it was indeed this most recent comment that led me here.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ponyo Well, I assume you find that comment striking because I used the phrase "[p]olitical censorship has no place in Wikipedia". However, when I was writing this sentence, I meant with it that my definition of the term Vichy Syndrome was not based on an act of "agenda pushing" as Vulcan had claimed in their previous comment. As what I said was not directed against another editor but it was about my own conduct, I believe you wouldn't view it as a transgression of the common norms of civility. Was I able to clarify this question for you or do you still have another question? Madame Necker (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Your discussion comments come off as overly agressive in many instances. I have no questions; my intent was to ensure you are aware of WP:BATTLEGROUND and have now done so.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ponyo Whenever you have free time I am open to discuss any conduct disputes to ensure a transparent and ethical workspace for all the editors. If you ever have questions in the future, I will be here to listen them. Best regards. Madame Necker (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 00:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ponyo This editor has moved on to antisemitic fringe trolling. Taking into consideration the entirety of their editing career, which mostly consists of 1) edits related to pushing fringe right wing views 2) some sort of subtle or not so subtle denialism trolling 3) competency is required or otherwise unhelpful posts. They've gotten by on being usually civil with their posts, but have been toeing the line as of late with some of their edits (for example), I believe to "push the margins" on what is acceptable. Also consider the username, "Necker"... but don't say it really quick! If this user wants to appeal this block, they should change their username, and take a broad topic ban from everything even vaguely controversial and only edit articles like Brick. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 00:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moneytrees I am not sure why you want me to change my username but I hope your are not thinking that it is some sort of reference to the N word. I share ancestry with Jacques Necker, and my surname does not contain anything offensive. Madame Necker (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * My interaction with the user was only yesterday at the deletion review of a page I had deleted, for which she notified me on my talk page. While I initially thought the user's inability to communicate was a competence concern, I see from the other discussions that this is not so. So if it is the non willingness to communicate, after setting up the deletion review, I see this as an attitudinal concern, in addition to the tone used at my talk page to notify of the deletion review. Jay  💬 10:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Madame Necker (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Not credible and no evidence they understand why the are blocked. SPECIFICO talk 01:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * With Moneytrees have just elaborated their reasoning in the comment above, I will write a reply in 48 hours with a critical analysis of my conduct and the rationale for the block. Madame Necker (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think Moneytrees has some fair points. I'm going to be defending myself a bit but I also agree with some of his arguments. There's room for improvement on how I approach to other editors. Firstly about the Atlantic slave trade, in the ANI thread my intention was to point out that it is acceptable to discuss an historical subject with sources however I didn't know that this particular subject was being abused by anti-Semites. Next time, I will be more careful and do background research before commenting on ANI threads. Moneytrees also claims that I made "denialism" arguments on genocide related articles, but this is based on incomplete evidence. If you view my other comments you can clearly see that I call the denialism of Uyghur genocide an extremist fringe claim. I agree with his point that I am not as competent as many established and veteran editors here, and that's why I will work hard to improve my skills; I take Wikipedia very seriously and am aware of the public responsibility being a Wikipedia editor brings. Last but not least my username, it doesn't contain anything offensive against any race, religion or nationality. I feel saddened that my surname was taken by Moneytrees to have hidden implications but I assure you it is not the case. Madame Necker (talk) 16:55, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @DatGuy I have already acknowledged them. Why did you say I didn't? Madame Necker (talk) 17:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How is "incomplete evidence"? my intention was to point out that it is acceptable to discuss an historical subject with sources - your comment insinuated no such thing. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @DatGuy That link is complete evidence. By incomplete evidence, I was referring to another link they placed to Uyghur genocide article. Madame Necker (talk) 17:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You didn't address that diff, you dismissed it as a misunderstanding by Moneytrees. I'd say Moneytrees understood the comment properly. Remember, you weren't blocked for a one-off instance, your entire editing history revolves around the same issues. To be unblocked, you must address the concerns that you'll immediately return to causing the same problems. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @DatGuy I didn't dismiss it, instead I acknowledged that it was a mistake on my part and said that I will do research beforehand to not repeat it. I also acknowledge the mistakes on my part for earlier disputes and I am open to review them to convince you, if you are interested. Madame Necker (talk) 17:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to be unblocked, you should follow my advice above and file a new unblock request. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

My request was a supplement to the previous request and messages I have written. Why do you consider it unspecific?--Madame Necker (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

User:Moneytrees, User:DatGuy, User:NinjaRobotPirate, while we're here we might consider which longterm troll this is, and while we do that I'll drop CU blocks on User talk:Isabelle Alone, User talk:Viyana Gazisi, and the latest childish incarnations, User talk:Wiktor is a funny guy and User talk:Man-at-Bogomil. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)