User talk:Madchester/Archive02

TWoP
I saw your comments on Television Without Pity's talk page here on Wiki. As a former TWoPper myself, I figure you should know about this page. Apologies if you already located it. Mike H (Talking is hot) 02:39, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Your adminship
I have seen it fit to nominate you for adminship. Please accept or decline here. I know you haven't seen me before, but I noticed a lot of reverts on Coldplay and thought you would like a mop. Howabout1 Talk to me! 22:40, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Well, you get a faster revert tool, you can block people, you can protect pages. For responsibilities, you don't have to use your tools, but admins are the face of wikipedia, so people expect a little more maineniance and civility. But you have to accept your nomination and answer some questions, so do that and read over WP:RFA. Howabout1 Talk to me! 23:54, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Madchester. You will soon realise the mess you've put yourself into, but you can be happy or now! PS: Just kidding. ;) --Sn0wflake 14:09, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Howabout1 Talk to me! 15:48, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit late here, but still congratulations to you, Madchester! :D --Andylkl (talk) 05:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you everyone who voted or nominated for me. I never received any of those badges and what not from other users, so earning an adminship was the last thing I would have expected. In the words of a local sports announcer: SUH-WEET. --Madchester 17:15, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Amazing Race screens
Recently you uploaded a lot of Amazing Race screenshots and tagged them as. Next time, please tag them as. Thanks. Thunderbrand 18:59, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Question
Hi, can you please let me know why you keep deleting references to NowPublic reports wrt to the Pearson story. Thanks, Michael. If you would like to email me please do at mike@tippett.org.

Don't revert my edits without reason, you idiot.

Live 8 concert, Barrie
Hey Madchester do you have any clue on why Park place didn't use any other fields besides just the bowl??? --JB 04:52, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

PetSounds
Hi: Further to your message at User talk:PetSounds, Brian has stopped contributing to the project under this user name. He archived his talk page and cleared his user page as his last actions. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 08:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for spam... I notice you added a test note...
I am currently in discussions with Ozemail regarding persistent vandalism that has been occuring from the following IP addresses in their network:



I need assistance with all the specific items of vandalism. I have setup a page to gather this evidence at User:Ta bu shi da yu/Ozemail.

I need your help! Please use the format:


 * '''13:30, 5 August 2005
 * Added abusive text to Ta bu shi da yu user page

We'll see just how good their service is at responding to this sort of thing - we should be supporting any company that assists us. Therefore, I'm hoping that the Wikipedia spirit of cooperation and immense amount of volunteers will help with tracking down vandal edits.

If Ozemail gives a good response, we can use them as an example of a good ISP, and maybe even shame AOL into assisting us (we get lots of vandalism from them).

Ta bu shi da yu 01:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Parachutes
You've just reverted all my edits, most of which corrected the article in line with the Manual of style (not linking months, naming conventions, correct dashes, removal of emotive &amp; PoV language, etc.). Please don't do this; there's been too much of it on this sort of article, and it comes close to (some admins hold that it is) vandalism. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 20:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply; however, there are a number of points:


 * 1) The albums project isn't policy, whereas the Manual of style is; the albums projest goes against the Manual of style in a few places, and where it does I've been correcting articles.
 * 2) In particular, the timing is a peculiar case; two different styles are used (one for the template and one for the text), and the template one is the more cumbersome, uses non-standard abbreviations, and has unnecessary links.
 * 3) We wikify dates largely to ensure correct display according to user preference. Otherwise, wikilinks should be used where relevant; March, or March 1986, are neither useful nor relevant in the context of articles on albums and singles (the former might be in an article on calendar systems, I suppose; most of the latter are red-links, as here).
 * 4) You have the spellings the wrong way round: "catalog" is U.S., "catalogue" is U.K.
 * 5) Naming conventions (also plicy), not to mention all manuals of style, say that prepositions and articles shouldn't be capitalised in titles.
 * 6) "#" isn't a standard abbreviation; we don't abbreviate if we can avoid it, but when it's necessary (especially in tables) the abbreviation for "number" is "no" (or, in U.S. English, "no."). The fact that the incorrect form is commonly used in this sort of article is worrying, but it doesn't ovveride Wikipedia policy and guidelines. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You are continuing to revert my edits, which are made inaccordance with the MoS, claiming that this is in acordance with the discussion on our Talk pages &mdash; in spite of the fact that you haven't in fact had the courtesy to reply to my comments here. Please stop, or I shall be forced to take this further. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

As I've already explained above, Wikipedia Manual of style, being policy, takes precedence over the albums project. reverting your edits may put me in conflict with the latter, but reverting mine puts you into conflict with the former. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You have now twice (at least) reverted my corrections to this article, bringing it into line with the MoS, and correcting Wikilinks. If you do this again I shall take the case to AN/I. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I've already raised the issues specific to the Album project at the relevant Talk page; until then, the Manual of Style sets out policy, which I'm following. You're reverting against policy.  In any case, I don't see what any of this has to do with your insistence on reverting my correction of links, and my adding dashes, etc., in line with the MoS, none of which relates to the Album project. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

He's baaack
Check out what 152.163.100.132 tried to do with Yoghurt and Back Roads. MAKE152.163.100.132HISTORY. Thank you, hydnjo talk 02:05, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

On the recent banning of the Bush article vandal....
is it right to ban a person who has made only one experimental edit to the bush article? He is obviously still experimenting with the software... I mean, if I had been banned when I first came here for the "work" I did on the article on the human penis, I wouldn't be here now... Is there something that I am missing? --jonasaurus 05:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * ''I don't know who put that there... but it is obvious to me that it has absolutely no effect on the number of vandalism edits, which average a number each hour. I am going to alter that tag in an effort to better speak to those vandals, who I believe are simply looking for an outlet to express their distanste with Bush. All of those vandals would be extremely helpful to the Wikipedia cause if they were given more of a chance... Could you please unban him, and I'll keep a watch on all of his edits? --jonasaurus 05:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Your actions are very much appreciated. I will make an effort to welcome this person into the fold. If anything comes of it I'll be sure to thank you. Many thanks. --jonasaurus 05:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Goddess
Hi, no big deal but you didn't revert far enough. The previous edit was also vandalism. It helps to have a quick look at the history when you revert, and if the previous edit was also by an anon, check it out too. Keep up the good work! Clair de Lune 07:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Jamiroquai
Hey, I noticed you added ordinals to all the infoboxes, I haven't seen this anywhere else, could you point me to another series of album pages with the same information in the same place? I'm just a sucker for consistancy. Mallocks 07:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message, has cleared it up perfectly. :) Mallocks 07:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Coldplay
Hey MadChester,

First of all, thanks for all the work you do. I added the Live 2003 to the DVDs, because while it is not exclusively a DVD, the average reader of the page would have no idea that there was a Live DVD unless they clicked on the CD link. Perhaps it could be edited to say (CD & DVD) after "Live 2003?"

Avsrock90 05:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the update!

Avsrock90 13:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's going on, but I never made ANY reverts. I tried a few times in succession to EDIT the other night (21 August), when you contacted me, but I got errors on all three. Apparently they did go through though, since you contacted me. I was commenting on the way the site currently looks with Live listed under DVD as it wasn't before. I promise, I did not make ANY reverts at all.

Best Regards

Avsrock90 (67.176.119.142) 01:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

MusicOMH.com
Hello,

Why are you reverting links to MusicOMH.com?

Cheers,

Acegikmo1 06:01, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Rivalries
The "Rivalries Fairy" is back again. Must have been on vacation. All 30 ball clubs will soon be infected. >:( Wahkeenah 05:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, everybody's got to have their rivals, no matter how lame. I wonder who the Kansas City Royals rivals are? The Omaha Little League team? Wahkeenah 05:45, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Be Aware
24.15.172.76 is just here to prove Wikipedia is a bad source of info he will (I doubt) do anything but vandalize.


 * I must tell you this little funny... A co-worker sent out a memo that had 3 or 4 consecutive sentences that began "Be aware that..." the last of which was "Be aware that some people like saying 'Be aware that'." :)  Wahkeenah 13:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ron Davies
I had permission from Fernando Rizo, a Wikipedia Administrator, to make my changes to the Ron Davies page. Please do not revert. Check with him if you do not believe me.

Blocking IP addresses
We don't block editors indefinitely for vandalism, and especially not IP addresses. I've unblocked and reblocked for twenty-four hours. You should read the blocking policy carefully. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

User 213.202.136.122
Hi. Could you take a look at this users edits. He appears to have created two totally fictional people. Ethan Hawkinson and Micheal Black. Along with that are Black's comics Ghost Boy and the upcoming Blake Comedy. I checked out the Dark Horse Comics official web site and can find no listing for Blake or either of the comics. THe user also claims that Blake was nominated in 1997 for a Tony Award for Best Play. If you check here at the Tony Awards web site or  (the archives search) there is no listing for Black or his nomination. Also there is no listing in google for Hawkinson and a lot for Black but none (out of the few I looked at) apply. If the whole thing is true then my apologies to you for wasting your time and to the user for doubting him. On the other hand if it's false then it's a great piece of work. He even listed him as being at Harvard. It must have taken as much time to fake up as writing a legit work. CambridgeBayWeather 21:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My research independently suggests the same. I'm going place speedy tags rather than do the speedies, i guess out of laziness re obligation to participate in possible subsequent discussion. --Jerzy•t 17:00, 2005 August 25 (UTC)
 * Also listed WP:VIP as moderate IP vandal. --Jerzy•t 17:17, 2005 August 25 (UTC)

User Ednasworld
Thanks, Madchester! I will take a look around at your other articles in time too. --Ednasworld 14:40, August 25, 2005

vandal1
Heya, you've been placing vandalism warnings on template:Vandal1. That template is a bit problematic, because as it includes a header, if the person who added it doesn't subst: it in, clicking the edit link next to the header will put you in the edit screen for the template instead of the user talk page. I've removed the vandalism warnings, I can't see which talk page you meant to be editing so I can't move them, you'll have to put them back there yourself. --fvw *  00:10, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Weezer
Then put the live EP in its proper chronology. It came after Maladroit, not before. BGC 15:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Block of User:24.66.94.140
Hi, shortly before you blocked User:24.66.94.140 for one week I blocked the same user for 24 hours. If I understand the system correctly, shorter blocks will automatically override longer ones when they expire. If you'd like, please feel free to lift the 24 hour block that I issued to keep it from overriding the 1 week one. -Loren 07:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It looks as though Madchester is again overreacting. We would only block an IP address for longer than twenty-four hours under exceptional circumsatnces &mdash; ordinary vandalism doesn't count.  Madchester, please read the blocking policy. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 11:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah in practice most give up if you block them for as little as an hour.Geni 11:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. In the case of 24.66.94.140, he/she's been let off way too easily despite a week of warnings and blocks already.  A little tough love is appropriate in this situation. :-) --Madchester 18:31, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

M.I.U. Album
Hi there,

I wanted to bring to your attention an issue regarding the CD timing style on this page. Having personally fleshed out all The Beach Boys album pages (under my old account), User:Mel_Etitis changed the timing style to his own preference (as a result throwing the whole info box out of whack). Thus, I changed it back. He changed it again. He clearly prefers this kind of timing style - but that's not the issue here. I don't mind what style it is. What I take issue with is consistency. I had asked him previously to change ALL the timing styles on The Beach Boys album pages if it meant that much to him. He did not. So after about a month, as BGC, I rechanged it back. Then he changed it back again. Perhaps seeing my point of view, you recently (8/18) reverted his edits back to mine. He wiped yours just hours later (I don't know if you were aware of that). Now earlier today I changed it back to how you left it, to which he changed it back AGAIN. Could you possibly keep a watch on this situation? Once again, the timing style does not bother me. It's the fact that it clashes with the 30 or so other BB album articles, which he refuses to amend accordingly. In my opinion, the only reasonable recourse is to keep MIU's timing style as it was. What are your thoughts? I can't even believe something so trivial has become an issue, but there you are.... BGC 22:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) The timing style is inconsistent withing the article, and that's much more important than consistency across articles.
 * 2) BGC in fact is reverting all my changes, not just this one; I've been up-dating album articles in line with the up-dated Album & Single templates, the Wikiprojects, and the MoS. There are thousands of them, and the insistence that I do them in the order that suits BGC (rather than helping out) is breathtaking. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

The Amazing Race
I have noticed that you removed 2 lines from The Amazing Race and marked it as POV. Why? I see nothing wrong with the sentances *The confrontational, and sometimes abusive behaviour presented by certain players, most notably Jonathan beating his wife (Season 6) and Colin almost being arrested for refusing to pay a taxi fare (Season 5). ' being better then *The confrontational, and sometimes abusive behaviour presented by certain players, most notably Jonathan (Season 6) and Colin (Season 5).

--michael180 14:19, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

CNE
Thanks for the praise -- nice to see that someone has noticed the change! ;-) Am beginning to realize that the building-specific approach I have started is problematic, since there are already bits and pieces about some of the CNE buildings as separate articles, witness Exhibition Stadium. I think what I will do is continue with what I am doing, and then start to split off some of the topics on the CNE page to their own separate page, and leave a short summary on the CNE "main page".

Was at the CNE the other day and took several more photos, the best of which have been uploaded to Wikimedia. Check out this link for a listing of everything. (There's also a decent pic of the Rogers Center you *might* want to include in the Skydome/Rogers Center article).

Is there anything on this topic you might want to tackle?

Finally, since you are clearly interested in the local music scene, you might appreciate this recent article I wrote up: El_Mocambo. Captmondo 12:37, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Coldplay
Sophomore is an American term with only limited use in other countries.see wiki "sophomore are sometimes used figuratively, mainly in US English usage" Using such terms is contrary to wiki policy to try to write in a manner that is readable to the widest audience and seems to go against policy of using terms phrases and spelling of article sources varietn of English. Coldplay are not an American band so the term seem inappropriateAlci12

Albums
I wikify all the albums because it looks better. Xinger 08:47, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Clearly you need to look over the 3RR again. Also quit changing words around. I said they haven't really made it, that's nowhere in the same book as they are not important. You thinking a fact is POV is POVing yourself. There's a reason all the major record labels are located in the US.

As for US charts going first, it's not just because I like it that way, it's because it makes more sense. The US Hot 100 shows AIRPLAY and digital sales. Airplay is a lot better representation of the popularity of a song than sales. Airplay lasts as long as the song stays fresh, sales of singles end after the fanboys have purchased it (most singles are on the chart for like 5 weeks). Thus, the UK charts are pretty much useless.

Fact...Opinion. Do some research. Xinger 14:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Uh oh! That's three reverts in 24 hours -- you better block yourself. Xinger 15:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Nice try with that argument
"before your tables system we always presented a band's native charts first"...it's called an improvement, son.

"This is for the sake of consistency"...it's not very consistent when one page has UK charts first and the next has US charts first.

"The American charts are not a universal litmus test for chart success"...yes, they are. All artists strive to prove themselves in the US. The US constitutes for nearly 50% of worldwide album sales. I have explained to you before that the US charts are more important because it shows sales and airplay of singles. "Most artists find the most success in their home country"... that's only true for the artists that haven't made it. Take X&Y for example.

"For an artist like Kylie Minogue it's somewhat ridiculous to present her US chart success first"...ridiculous? What's ridiculous is removing correct information when you don't know what you're doing (Fix You has been #21 for a week now, not #26 yet you continue to change it back to that, ignorantly.) All information is still presented. I don't remove facts like you do. And she's not going to waste her time promoting to consumers that don't like her. As soon as people in the US finally started to like her, then she promoted. All singles are given an equal chance by radio, then it's up to the listeners/consumers to make an artist do well.

"To place the American charts first would be misleading and confusing"...it wouldn't be confusing at all. What's confusing is going from artist to artist to compare chart performance and having to check the heading before knowing which column is the US chart and which is the UK chart. Speak of consistancy!

"2) Wikify every album entry"...speak of consistancy! It just looks horrible having the album linked on one row, then not the next three.  All or nothing.  Besides, the albums are located just above, so removing the links all-together wouldn't be a problem either.

"Album ordinals should only be included when there's multiple entries within that category"...speak of consistancy! Album ordinals are not necessary at all when the dates are provided and they are already placed in chronological order.

"You're free to create all the tables you want; but you still have to work within Wikipedia's guidelines"...I must have missed the guideline that says UK charts must go first. Xinger 15:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you didn't help your case at all there. One point for the attempt though. It doesn't say a damn thing about home countries going first. While you're on a roll, point out these "personal attacks" I keep making. Good luck, I'm routing for ya. Xinger 18:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As per WP:NPA, personal attacks include Negative personal comments and "I'm better than you" attacks, such as "You have no life.". I think you comments on my talk page speak for themselves. --Madchester 19:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)