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Imero Fiorentino edit
Fiorentino is the acknowledged lighting design pioneer in the early years of television. I footnoted all the claims to demonstrate that indeed this is what his peers also claim him to be. During the seventies and eighties his production company was the largest in supplying television lighting designers and equipment packages for all the major specials and variety shows besides the sitcoms. This was all headed up by Fiorentino. But since this is an article on Fiorentino and not his company, that I left out. Looking up other individual pages, similar claims are made to their descriptions and are not footnoted, such as the one for I.M. Pei being a "master". If you know of his work, of course it is a factual claim, but if you are not familiar with an individual such as Fiorentino, then such claims may not seem appropriate. I understood that and that is why it is footnoted. MaddyStephens (talk) 17:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I'll try to explain my position a little more clearly. Unfortunately two wrongs often get conflated with a right on WP, but since you picked out I. M. Pei compare the opening of his article to the opening of Fiorentino's "...commonly known by his initials I. M. Pei, is a Pritzker Prize-winning Chinese-born American architect" v "...is one of the most respected pioneers and leaders in the entertainment industry". Pei's establishes his credentials, nationality and field of expertise. Fiorentino's does not. We don't introduce Einstein as one of the most respected pioneers and leaders in the scientific field, we introduce him as theoretical physicist. Leonardo da Vinci isn't "one of the most famous people in the arts" but "an Italian polymath". The are other potential minor issues with the sources: "one of the most respected pioneers and leaders in the entertainment industry" is word for word from the Silver Circle award, so possibly a copyvio(though I don't know how you'd judge this on such a small extract). How reliable are the sources? I can only see the online ones which don't seem to be from particularly authoritative sources. The sources appear to be all US based: establishing him as a respected pioneer in the entertainment industry would require some international recognition. I think anybody reading the article can draw their own conclusions as to his position in the industry, there is no need for the hagiographic introduction, and it would be a better article for its omission. Anyway, I leave it to you now. Yomangani talk 19:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)