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I added a term "cellint" and it was deleted, for no reason.
I added a term "cellint" with only facts. I don't understand why it has been deleted, or how I can restore it. Can you please help? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovnion (talk • contribs) 14:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm not sure which article you are talking about. I see no article for cellint ever having existed. You might try adding helpme to your talk page. An administrator might be able to sort it out more effectively than I can.--RadioFan (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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Comment on the RfA
Hey RadioFan. Just a note to keep your head up; I think you responded well to your recently failed RfA. Keep up the good work. Tan  &#124;   39  15:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words--RadioFan (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Removed prod from PangPond
Hello RadioFan, just letting you know that I removed the proposed deletion tag from this article. Although the article currently lacks sources, it seems to have a quite a bit of notability, just from the Google News hits alone, which suggest that he is to Thailand what Mickey Mouse is to the US. If you still believe the article should be deleted I suggest bringing it to AfD. Thanks! --  At am a  頭 01:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Beta testing
Hi RadioFan. I'm currently writing an editing tool for deletion tagging, WikiAlerter. At the moment I'm looking for some users to do some testing for me, as I haven't used all the functions myself. This would basically involve using the program from time to time, being prepared for it to mess up on you, and reporting any errors to me :). If you were willing to do so, this would be very helpful, but feel free to say no :). If you do decide to, please email me (so I have your email to send the program to). Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for thinking of me. Sounds like an interesting tool. I dropped you an email.--RadioFan (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

[Grace Harlowe]
Hi there,

Just noticed your edits to the Grace Harlowe page - I'm sure my citations were hopelessly unformatted. Anyhoo - being new to Wikipedia-making, I'm having some problems figuring out how to go back and edit the citations now: for instance, #2 was published in 1917, rather than the 2007 publication of the Gutenberg page, and #5 was the June issue, rather than "une". I'd be happy to do it, if only the "edit" link took me to the actual citation text!

Thanks much for cleaning up my work. :)

Jphilbrick (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to help. If you click on the edit button, you'll get the full wikitext of the article to edit.  The footnotes aren't numbered in the text itself so if you are having trouble finding the actual citation in the text, try searching for it.    Your browser likely has a search feature that allows you to search for text on the current page.  That can be helpful in finding the text you are looking to change.  I fixed the "June" problem but left the date issue for you, if you need a hand with that let me know.--RadioFan (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Ad notability
Hello, editor RadioFan

i've noticed your note on notability in my recent article, it refers to Notability (organizations and companies). the source i'm refferint to is a trusted one - registry of slovak architecture, see http://www.register.ustarch.sav.sk/index.php?lang=en it's a translation, maybe you can advice me on the information i should add so that the article is verifiable by the Wikipedia standards? thank you,

Michal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjaker (talk • contribs) 16:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sources in foreign languages are okay (though English ones are preferred for obvious reasons). I'd be happy to help but you didn't mention which article you are referring to.--RadioFan (talk) 16:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Article
Whoops, this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_complex_Unitas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjaker (talk • contribs) 18:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * looks much better now. The notability tag has been removed.--RadioFan (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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Style and references
Hi RadioFan,

You recently noticed some style and references problems in my article. I tried to improve them. I would like to invite you to visit the talk page of SAFE-COMMS. Counter-Terrorism Crisis Communication and help me to make it better. Thanks. (Zulolohi (talk) 23:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC))


 * I'm afraid there is the larger problem of the copyright violation that needs to be addressed first. This information on the article about this.--RadioFan (talk) 00:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Sib
I need the wiki link, wherever it will be located, for a large article I am creating on the Barasana, in which a key term is 'sib', which was lacking. Nishidani (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not following your question.--RadioFan (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bloviate (3rd nomination)
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Re: How to get to heaven
Did it seem like I was pushing belief's on people? I just thought maybe it should be a part of the "Christianity" page but its not. I hope that I didn't offend anyone, but the Bible says that the Bible is offensive to some. Sorry for the inconvience. Can I have some suggestions on articles that have any significance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prettyflowers1 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The way the article was written, it read like spam. The content wasn't the problem, it was the tone, and the lack of references.  It just didn't meet WP:GNG--RadioFan (talk) 20:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

My sincere apology! It was not intended to be read like spam but since I couldn't edit "Christianity" I wanted to try and put it somewhere. Again, I sincerely apologize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prettyflowers1 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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IsraAid
Hi My article IsraAid was tagged for speedy deletion for copyright violation. It is just a stub but I didn't see the copyright violation at first, and have changed it. Please see my explanation on talk. When will I know if I can get that ugly tag removed? Would it help if I put up an "under construction" template as you suggest above? Stellarkid (talk) 05:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The article still appears to be copied from the URL mentioned. The speedy deletion tag cannot be removed until the copyright violation has been resolved.--RadioFan (talk) 14:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Will you please just go ahead and delete it then and I will work on it some more in my user space? Stellarkid (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not an administrator so I cannot delete it. If you blank it, that will take care of the copyright concern and it will be deleted shortly though.--RadioFan (talk) 15:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Palanjur
I removed the speedy as it's quite easy to tell that the article is about a village and not about a person. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 14:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * if you look at the revision prior to my tagging it for speedy deletion, it's not as clear as you think. It appears that the villiage's name may be Pattukkottai and Palanjur is the editor's name.  If you are confident that Palanjur is the correct name of this village that's fine but I didn't not see it as clearly as you did.--RadioFan (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Yo ho ho


 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.

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Logo dispute
I just wanted to say that I've been following the discussion about whether non-free media should or should not be used. I'm impressed on how determined you are of proving your point. I do agree, it's informative to see former logos of TV or radio stations. I appreciate that some users reverted User talk:The JPS's contributing by adding the photo again. Indeed former logos of TV or radio stations can be considered part of the stations' history. Assumingly, several users must agree that pictures were meant to prove something. Whether it be historical like a famous wedding or a tragic incident such as a war. I hope all goes well with this dispute. :) --SwisterTwister (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC):)
 * I personally think the old logos serve a valuable purpose in articles and obviously would like to see the dispute go that way but if it doesn't and its determined that JPS is interpreting the fair use guidelines correctly, that's fine too. The primary reason I'm spending so much time pursuing this is that the dispute happened because the guidelines are a bit vague and need to be clarified.  Thanks for your comments, feel free to weigh in on the relevant talk pages as well.--RadioFan (talk) 12:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Radio personalities
Have you seen Loren Petisce? - Dravecky (talk) 05:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Lilit Nagar
This article cites six sources. Not Zero. Six. Thank youEddau (talk) 03:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not a source which helps demonstrate notability and the reliability of the other sources listed is not clear. Has this person been covered in more mainstream newspapers or magazines? --RadioFan (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * She was active mostly before the internet time. Thus, most of the mainstream material one can find about her on the net is shots from the old mainstream governmental TV, put in You-tube and songs in musical collections of old Israeli music for sale. I could not put that in the article, but I did put it in the talk page when you asked for notability prof. Beside that, one of the links in the article is from Shiron.net with is mainstream. Plus, this is also mainstream. The lady is notable. Eddau (talk) 04:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, she simply spells her name "Lilith most of the times.The New York Times Eddau (talk) 14:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009
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 * I assume you are referring to the tag I left concerning the removal of the unreferenced tag from Nicholas Perrin. The article is still unreferenced, please do not remove that tag until the task of referencing that article is complete.--RadioFan (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That along with the repeated abuse. Dare I ask, do you have a legitimate reason for the AfD yet? --Ari (talk) 18:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The reasons for the AFD are described on the project page. Please note that I'm not the only editor who had a problem with the references provided there yet you removed those maintenance tags left by both that editor and I numerous times.--RadioFan (talk) 19:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't remember anyone else but you tagging it for deletion. Especially without any reason. --Ari (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Please look at the history tab for that article. You'll see that User:Favonian tagged it with concerns about primary references and restored that tag after you removed it once.  This same editor left you a message on your talk page concerning this. --RadioFan (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Favonian did not tag for deletion. The only reason why it got retagged for lack of sources was because you started vandalising the article during its editing. And you still haven't explained the AFD. Did it really make you that mad? --Ari (talk) 19:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not say Favonian tagged it for deletion, Favonian tagged it with with reference concerns. And to answer your question, no I'm not upset at all and would appreciate it if you kept this civil.  I, like other editors, sometimes tag dozens of articles each day for deletion in the course of patrolling new pages.--RadioFan (talk) 20:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

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What!
Are you going to delete it or you will say what aboutless? --ZKToaster1949 (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.--RadioFan (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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December 2009
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made&#32;to KDVE: you may already know about them, but you might find Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. - Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 08:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC) - Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 06:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The edit did not appear to be vandalism but rather the actions of a new user so I didn't bother piling on.--RadioFan (talk) 12:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, interesting. I guess the reason I saw it as vandalism was that the user was inserting a nonsense word all over the article. New user, indeed, but still reeks of vandalism to me. (I might also point out the content of his user page.) You do not concur?
 * Fair enough. I take a more conservative approach to these things lately, admins are very quick to accuse new page patrollers of "biting the newbies" these days.  Sadly the benefit of the doubt often does not go to the experienced editor and sometimes goes to the vandal.  As long as its cleaned up, ensuring that a vandalism label is applied and sticks is often not worth the hassle.  Just my $.02--RadioFan (talk) 13:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

PROD tag for Mezzetta
I have removed your PROD tag for Mezzetta. Btilm 03:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes and I see it was most recently nominated for speedy deletion.--RadioFan (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion taggings
I really think you should be more careful before putting deletion tags. Just looking at a new article for a few seconds is not enough to determine notability. At least a quick Google Web/News/Books search first is a good idea. --Apoc2400 (talk) 14:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Was there a specific article you were concerned with? If its the Rashid Minhas Road article, the search engine test isn't a very good one to determine notability.  As others have pointed out in the AFD, there are a lot of false positives in that search that either do nothing to demonstrate notability of the topic or aren't even related to the topic.  As for the first couple of hits you mention in your !vote, I dont see those as showing this road as particularly notable which is why I brought it to a larger audience to discuss.  Something that has no sources is definately not notable but having some sources, doesn't neceassrily make the topic notable.  There has to be significant coverage where the subject of the article in question is the main subject of the article.  This one is more grey because it has been mentioned a lot in articles noting construction and other tasks but its not clear how notable the road might be.  --RadioFan (talk) 23:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No it was no one particular article. I saw very short time between deletion taggings in your contributions history, and several seem questionable. For example HMS Wasp (1880), Memory conformity and National Cancer Institute Egypt. I'm not sure about Rashid Minhas Road either, that's why I didn't actually put a vote. That there are many bad sources doesn't meav there are good ones though. Just check a bit more before suggesting deletion. Many good articles start out short and unreferenced because the writer hasn't learnt yet or something. --Apoc2400 (talk) 01:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * National Cancer Institute Egypt was tagged for speedy deletion because of copyright concerns. These must be addressed quickly.  You'll find that I removed the speedy deletion tag on HMS Wasp (1880) after it was improved to the point that it was clear that it was not a speedy deletion candidate.   I've left Memory conformity alone for now after you removed the speedy deletion tag.  It appears to be little more than a dictionary definition and if it's not improved soon, it will need to be transwiki'd or perhaps simply deleted.  One sentence and one ref isn't much as an argument for notability.  As for the speed that items are tagged, take a look at this essay for another perspective.--RadioFan (talk) 01:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Opened case at Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-12-13/KOTK
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commons:File:Wireless security big.jpg
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Montclair plaza deproded
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Speedy deletion declined: Nikolaos Lavdas
Hello RadioFan, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Nikolaos Lavdas - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Ged UK  16:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not agree with your judgement here but will take the article to prod instead. --RadioFan (talk) 17:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Matt difabio
Hi, just to let you know, I altered your "db-band" tag to a "db-bio" since the article was about the individual (as non notable as the band may have been). I saw you used Twinkle so I don't know if you accidentally ticked the wrong box but, all the same, thought I'd let you know. Merry Christmas, HJMitchell    You rang?   17:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I intended to use db-band because it covers not just ensembles but individual musicians as well, which is this person's (weak) claim to fame. db-bio will work as well.--RadioFan (talk) 17:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Nicholas Perrin
I've had another look, and I can't really see any reason to change it. Even once we remove from the mix, it comes out to 2-3, which is hardly a "consensus" to do anything. While the deletion arguments were good, they have to be weighed against 's Keep vote, which I also found to be compelling. I'll grant you that it probably leans towards deletion, but as far as I can see this is pretty much a stalemated no-consensus discussion. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Would you consider reopening the discussion to gain a better consensus. I'd like to see more dicussion especially since the article creator is interpreting this no consensus as evidence that the subject is notable.--RadioFan (talk) 23:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel it would be inappropriate for me to re-open the discussion at this point (and it had gone on for more than the minimum time), but I will not take it personally if you want to go and open a discussion on the close at WP:DRV. Lankiveil (speak to me) 07:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC).

Ed Naha
Within 5 minutes of the initialization of this article, you called into question its originality, its notability, the style of its references, and its neutrality, even though a quick glance at the page history would have shown that I was still actively editing the brand-spanking-new article. Where is your presumption of good faith? The article was in much better condition for review just one hour after you placed these undeserved templates on it.

Please take a second look at the article and consider these templates; if you believe they are deserved, please argue your case on the article's talk page. Bustter (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * When I tagged this article, the only references provided were bulleted ones (not cited footnotes) to IMDB. That sets off non-notable alarms to new article patrollers like myself.  The article still has some pretty wild claims that need to either be better referenced or removed.--RadioFan (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The article seems to be moving in the right direction, so please comment again on the talk page if you get around to checking it before I do. --Slashme (talk) 20:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ed Naha
Though it probably seemed I didn't appreciate it (and perhaps I didn't at the time), thanks for helping get this article into shape. Bustter (talk) 01:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem.--RadioFan (talk) 02:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: references in Ricardo Mella
Hello. I added some references to the stub, and I put the Underconstruction indication. I should have done before :P... so I'm translating this article from the Spanish Wikipedia. About relevance, the character itself is relevant, it was a well known Spanish anarchist political in the early twentieth century. I hope the references was adequate enough. Any case, thanks for the advertisements. Regards! Tirithel (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Lisa Pegher
The current Lisa Pegher article was not undeleted because it was never deleted, see the log. An earlier version was deleted on 8 November 2007 under WP:CSD. The article had at that time, and surely has now, claims of significance, which is enough to bar an A7 speedy deletion, so I undeleted the old history for increased transparency in current discussions.

As to the copyright issues FAQ/Copyright says "Facts cannot be copyrighted. It is legal to read an encyclopedia article or other work, reformulate the concepts in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia, although the structure, presentation, and phrasing of the information should be your own original creation." Given that the source is basically a statement of facts, i don't think the current article infringes, although further reworking and the use of additional sources will, I hope, improve it further. But it is not now a copyright issue of the sort that warrants speedy deletion in my view.

About autobiography. The 2007 version by User:Lpegher1 may well have been autobiographical, although it wasn't deleted for that reason. I see no evidence that User:Drummerboy 34 is User:Lpegher1 -- I do not find your sockpuppet case persuasive. In any case "autobiography" is not, in itself, a reason to delete an article, as WP:COI clearly says.

As for spam, the current article text is factual in tone, and does not seem overly promotional. Therefore, it is again not a speedy deletion candidate under WP:CSD

As to notability -- here an argument might be made. But that argument should be made at WP:AFD if at all. I think the cited references in Symphony Magazine and the Pittsburgh Post Gazette are enough to demonstrate at least threshold notability, but an AFD might reach a different conclusion. DES (talk) 06:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My mistake, I thought the article had been undeleted but it appears you restored past versions. Can you share why you restored those versions?  Were there not copyright concerns there as well. I have no doubt this person can meet inclusion guidelines and ultimately should have an article but my understanding is that in the case of a copyvio, it's best to remove the article and start fresh or at least remove the versions with copyvio issues.
 * As it stands, I still have a problem with the article's tone. It's not written from a neutral point of view and still reads much like a press release.  Thanks for your cleanup of weasel words but this article still needs work in that area.  Including glowing quotes from reliable sources are fine but phrases like "who has been crowned " and "saw her natural talent" in the text of the article are not.  I'll edit a bit more and adjust the maintenance tags to reflect the current state of the article if necessary.--RadioFan (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)