User talk:MadeYourReadThis/Archives/2009/September

Nautical time
I think you did something unintentional when you edited this article. See this diff where I revert part of your change to see what I mean. As I was not sure what you were meaning to do I thought it best just to remove the odd bit and drop you a note. Dpmuk (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, thanks for catching that.--RadioFan (talk) 11:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * hopefully no double standards in future too 218.186.13.232 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Nautical time
I think you did something unintentional when you edited this article. See this diff where I revert part of your change to see what I mean. As I was not sure what you were meaning to do I thought it best just to remove the odd bit and drop you a note. Dpmuk (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, thanks for catching that.--RadioFan (talk) 11:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * hopefully no double standards in future too 218.186.13.232 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Mud agitator
Hi, I uploaded it by 15:32(time) you tagged it by 15:37(time). You are too fast. Anyhow, I put already under construction. Have a nice day.Prodigys3 (talk) 20:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

John Witmer
Could you please take a look at the article to see if it is now sufficiently referenced to have the tag removed. Many thanks in advance.

Dreadarthur (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

William Garden - notable for sure
Hi Radiofan -- I agree that William garden was too embryonic to post, but the subject is definitely notable, cf. Google. Why don't we try to improve it instead? For starters, it needs to be moved to William Garden -- do you know how to do that while preserving edit history (not that that's very important in this case)? regards, Middle 8 (talk) 23:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

STS-5 FD3 wake up
I removed Rednex as the artist of Cotton Eye Joe. They did not cover the song until 1994, 12 years after STS-5. If you check the article on the song it will show you when Rednex covered it.--Navy blue84 (talk) 23:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

dePRODing of articles
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Launchballer (talk)
I've put a hangon tag on Here Come the Girls (song).--Launchballer (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Thanks--Launchballer (talk) 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The hangon tag is not necessary with a proposed deletion, you can just remove the prod tag. However I've taken this to AFD for wider discussion.  I dont see how this song is notable.--RadioFan (talk) 15:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

dePRODing of articles
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John Farnham albums
Many newly created articles describing John Farnham's albums received a PROD from you with a link to WP:NALBUMS, however consider the following:

"In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia.

Farnham is "the most successful solo artist in the history of Australian rock and pop" according to music historian Ian McFarlane in his 1999 Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop (see on-line copy of Farnham's entry). Furthermore, Farnham has received more Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) awards and nominations than any other male artist and is an inductee of their Hall of Fame (see ARIA Awards list).

Whilst some of Farnham's albums did not chart (or charting information is problematic for early releases) nevertheless, by virtue of the fact that Farnham himself is overwhelmingly notable then his albums are also notable. I acknowledge that many of the recently created articles are of stub quality but this does not, of itself, mean they should be deleted. If any PRODs remain in place on Farnham's albums could you remove them.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 03:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Those stub quality articles should be considered for merging into the main article on Farnham if they cant be improved. You are correct that charting is not a requirement but it does cement notability here.  The article creator has been contacted directly about these articles and is doing a great job in improving them with good information about their notability, ARIA charts in particular.--RadioFan (talk) 05:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * My point is that because of the PRODs some of the stub quality articles might get deleted inside a week: before anyone can get around to improving them. As Farnham is notable (see above) all the PRODs should be removed to give the creator(s) and others (myself included) enough time to "cement notability". As for ARIA charting, all Farnham albums before Age of Reason in July 1988 were released prior to ARIA making their own charts, those from May 1974 to June 1988 were covered by Kent Music Report (which has since been back calculated to 1970), and these were used by ARIA from 1983 to mid-1988 (there was no ARIA before 1983). Earliest Farnham albums (from 1968–1969) were not covered by any contemporary national charts, although David Kent has continued his back calculating to 1940. Singles are covered by the contemporary Go-Set National Singles Charts (Go-Set was Australia's first teen magazine and published its singles charts from October 1966 to August 1974). Its album charts were published from May 1970 to August 1974 (there is some overlap between Go-Set charts and Kent Music Report). I'm currently working on JF's album articles in chronological order, I believe that the first three are now sufficiently referenced to establish their notability beyond reasonable doubt despite the first two having no contemporary album charting information. Their notability is cemented by their singles' charting and by being releases from a notable artist.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 11:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ooops
Err, if you notice a strange rollback on your talk page, that was me accidentally hitting the rollback button while scrolling through my watchlist, which you are still on since whenever I left a message here. Ooops..... Sorry :)  FlowerpotmaN &middot;(t) 23:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Launchballer
The AfD for Here Come the Girls has not been edited in almost a week. How can I close it?--Launchballer 15:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Home gym
I reverted your wiktionary request on Home gym. The article is plain old spam, as evidenced by the additional, duplicate article created by the same account that created the first one. Champion fitness is a company that sells home gyms. &lt;&gt;Multi-Xfer&lt;&gt; (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

KRDZ
Have a look at the above article, as well as KRAI-FM — looks like you might have duped the latter article at the former address by mistake a couple of weeks ago. If you want to throw a db-author template on KRDZ, I can delete it for you, or you may prefer to create the correct article over top of it. Your call — just let me know. Mlaffs (talk) 01:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply
It seems you were too urgent to make the article as "deletion". I quickly added the contents to the article. It is normal to for editors to finetune the new articles step by step. Ricky@36 (talk) 05:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello RadioFan. The topic of Public housing in Hong Kong and the treatment of the individual articles for Public housing estates in Hong Kong has been discussed at length at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong. A consensus has emerged to merge most articles about individual public housing estates into larger articles covering whole areas. The article Public housing estates in Kwun Tong that you have tagged CSD A3 for speedy deletion 3 minutes after its creation (!) was basically a work in progress. While I believe that Ricky should have given an explanation for his removal of the notice, for instance in the edit summary, your message on his talk page is inappropriate "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did..." (did he?) and "Your edits appear to constitute vandalism" (do they?) and "and have been reverted" (they have not). May I call this "speedy tagging" and "speedy finger pointing"? Thank you. olivier (talk) 08:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The notice was a mistake on my part, it was intended to be a notice about removing speedy deletion tags. As for the speed of the deletion notice, try to see it from other's perspective.  This was a very incomplete article on a subject of questioneable notability, how are others to know that significant improvement is planned?  Adding a underconstruction will help communicate this. Adding a project tag to the talk page will also help communicate that its part of a larger effort.  Also remember that there is no deadline.  Articles dont need to be created as place holders necessarily.  They can be created once sufficient content is available and properly referenced as well.--RadioFan (talk) 11:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's OK. In fact There is no deadline outlines the 2 generally accepted points of view: 1) an article should wait to be decent enough until it is created and 2) starting with a very incomplete article is fine. I tend to be more on the side of the second point, but I respect the first one, which was the rationale of your tagging. At least the initial article was categorized in Category:Public housing estates in Hong Kong where other more complete similar articles can be found. Anyway, as I said before, I agree that the removal of a speedy deletion notice requires some form of explanation. Maybe there are more appropriate message templates than the one you used for notifying the editors about this. In any case, thank you for your vigilance on the newly created articles. olivier (talk) 12:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: ITag (mobile phone software)
Hello RadioFan, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of ITag (mobile phone software) - a page you tagged - because: Not unambiguously promotional. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. decltype (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

KLOG heads-up
Sort of a local station you might find some interest in, be willing to clean up and reference, etc: KLOG. Cheers, tedder (talk) 18:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Villieläin
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How about some help then
Let me help then. -- MARWAT  12:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You really haven't given me much to go on here. What are you referring to?--RadioFan (talk) 12:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

smile


RadioFan, Srin  ivas  has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Srin ivas  13:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I have also seen that you have created Editors are not mindreaders. I have gone through the article, and it is really nice. You have done a great job! :-) Srin  ivas  13:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Apoo festival
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ParamountGroup
This article seems to be a newer version of an article that was deleted in the recent past. Since you left a comment on the talk page of the person who created the original article could you please look at this one to see if it should be deleted. Cheers. Ozdaren (talk) 15:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
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 * Thanks for the note, the article has been taken to AFD. Please add your comments there.--RadioFan (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Dallas Chess Club
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Port Brewing Company
Hi Radiofan,

Thanks for your help regarding my recent submission for Port Brewing Company. I noticed this morning that the notice of removal was no longer up. I was wondering if there is anything you suggest that I can do to improve. Thank you so much for your help. Hifisamurai (talk) 23:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are sufficient references now to meet notability guidelines. Just continue to expand it and be sure to cite your sources.--RadioFan (talk) 01:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
There's been a very good merge suggestion, to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital. If you agree with that merge you can withdraw the nomination and close the discussion, and we can merge the contents. Fences &amp;  Windows  01:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Render Output Processor
Yes, I did remove the speedy deletion tag from the article Render Output Processor. You had nominated it under criterion G8, "a redirect to a page which does not exist..." The article redirected to an existing page, Render Output unit, the redirect was only misformatted. It needed fixing, not deletion. Even if, as an IP, I wasn't supposed to remove the nomination, I feel that I was right to do so in this specific case, if only under WP:IAR. 94.212.31.237 (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is what the hangon tag is for. --RadioFan (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, the lead to WP:CSD says: "The creator of a page may not remove a Speedy Delete tag from it. Only an editor who is not the creator of a page may do so." I am not the creator of the article, so I may remove the Speedy Delete tag. 94.212.31.237 (talk) 21:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Page creators can sometimes log out and remove CSD tags as an anon IP. You should consider creating an account so this confusion is not made again.--RadioFan (talk) 21:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Radio Abbey.
Re. It's about iridescent's comment: wp:CBLANK "Due consideration should be given if the person or organization in question requests such blanking." -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-09-19t11:54z

Removal of PROD from Nicole Johnson
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RE: Untitled The Saturdays album
You've flagged Untitled The Saturdays album and I understand the reason but I hadn't finishing editing it. Play.com is a reliable source for tracklisting for British artists' albums, they seem to have a relationship with record labels and often update with tracklistings before the artists' own websites update with information. I've now included more references too. The main reason I created the page was because of this Wikipedia entry: Colonial Masses which has caused some confusion. The album is definitely not called Colonial Masses as denied by the group's manager on her Twitter. The false Wikipedia entry even caused some of the media to print that the album was going to be called Colonial Masses.

Hypestar (talk) 21:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Without a confirmed title in use by multiple reliable sources, this article falls under WP:CRYSTAL. See WP:HAMMER for a good explanation.  I dont doubt this album may be notable in the future, it just doesn't meet the standards for inclusion right now.--RadioFan (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

creation of a topic project page on wicapediaq
i was working on creating a page called " the regolith Project " to make a public page on a project i have been working on for many years and to try and find others of similer interest to help me develope and expand on my base ideas and possibly bring them to fruition. i saw you helped bye moving the page into a new area. this is my first attempt at making a wiki article and would like any assistance and suggestions you may have. aparently a couple of others had attempted to delete the article and i am conserned about this happemning again.

Eugene Roy Sherrill myrddinstarhawk in yahoo msn aim and many other messaging sites myrddinstarhawk@gmail.com

Myrddinstarhawk (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, I hope you decide to stay and help build up articles. I've left some information on your talk page that may be helpful.  Please read it.  Particularly the information about properly citing your references.  Your previous attempts have probably been marked for deletion because of a lack of references.  Also, I notice your name is similar to one mentioned in The Regolith Project are you the Eugene Roy Sherill mentioned in the article?  If so then you may have a conflict of interest.  I'll leave some information about that as well.--RadioFan (talk) 22:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Removal of PROD from Elecard MPEG Player
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Pius Fidelis Pinto
He is a well known historian. He has written several books. Please check here. Thanks, Slumdog102 (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please improve the article with this information. Remember, it's the responsibility of the editor adding the material to properly source it.--RadioFan (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. No problem. As per WP:CREATIVE#1, it is clear that The person is regarded as an important figure in his field - "Christianity in Canara or Coastal Karnataka". There are many sources to prove that. But currently this one by a reputed newspaper will do

Thanks, Slumdog102 (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding his work on Konkani Christians in Canara or Coastal Karnataka, he has published several popular books on the topic. Check Openlibrary.
 * Additionally, you can check his work profile on Manchester University.
 * Additionally, you can check his work profile on Manchester University.

Therapy (The Alchemist song) have important information for be deleted
Is a single by rap producer The Alchemist, actually the second official single of his recently 2009 album Chemical Warfare, the people need to know that information, to know about the single. It must be not deleted.
 * it doesn't meet notability guidelines. See WP:NSONGS for more information.  Also, please stop removing AFD and Speedy Deletion tags, this is going to get you blocked, again.--RadioFan (talk) 02:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ex-boyfriend collection
Hello RadioFan, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Ex-boyfriend collection - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. NW ( Talk ) 23:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Notability
I’ve just had my first go at trying to improve notability in an article on Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne and wanted to get your opinion. Unfortunately, the majority of references come from press releases and the like, but that seems par for the course for video game books. In fact a lot of the books in Category: Novels based on video games seem to be sadly lacking in references, among other problems. Though the Halo books do a good job I can only assume that some of these articles have escaped being deleted due to criteria number three in notability. Assuming my interpretation is correct (it's probably not :P) I think it is easy to argue that video game novels contribute to their related video games by providing further information on characters, places, history etc. Although there might be issues with conflict of interest the author of the novel is the lead author of the game and I found a quote saying "the Ferelden rebellion against Orlais... [The subject of the novel] [is] referred to many times in the course of the game". So that seems to be some sort of proof that it contributes to the setting game Dragon Age: Origins. Given that, and the references would you object to the removal of the notability tag? Thanks in advance for any feedback. 58.104.181.43 (talk) 02:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Tadeusz Klimecki - no delete
Hi RadioFan, Thanks for your suggestions. I added more content which should address your concerns. The article Tadeusz Klimecki is a brief translation from pl.wikipedia.org. I hope it is good enough to stay.

Thanks 02:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pavel Leonidov


The article Pavel Leonidov has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * claims of notability are not backed up with references

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. RadioFan (talk) 20:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Piano triet
Hello RadioFan! I noticed you marked a new article Piano triet for copying to Wiktionary, but I'm not sure that the term is in anything more than occasional usage in a jokey context - I had certainly never come across the term before today. I have marked it as a neologism. --Deskford (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Please don't delete the page I've created
Hello. You just maked a page I just created for speedy deletion. I just wanted to ask if the page's life could be sparred as it isn't finished yet and still has references and links to add to it. I would have put them in first thing along with everything else on the page but I still need to figure out exactly how to do that (I'm not that savy with computers you see). I do promise to figure out how I go about doing that as soon as I can as long as you just give me some time.

Please?

The website the page was created for is very popular and has a strong and growing fanbase and would really benifit from having a wikipedia page. Teknolyze (talk) 23:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I dont know which article you are referring to so I cant help. Please read the tag for instructions on what to do next.--RadioFan (talk) 01:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

References in The History of Commitment Ordering
Thanks for the tag and comment. Please look at Citing sources. The ref method used looks a legitimate inline method. I removed the tag, but intend to use footnotes when the article a little more stabilizes for more user convenience. -- Comps (talk) 02:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Sven Stolpe
Now I've added two sources supporting the notability of Sven Stolpe as well as the information in the article. Nepomuk 3 (talk) 06:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Billboard Bicycle
Hi. I started the billboard bicycle wiki page. You flagged the page for sounding like an advertisement. I've alteredd the page in an attempt to make it sound less promotional by adding critics of the vehicle as well as by backing all positive aspects with references. I plan to add to the page in the future with history, laws and other information as this becomes available. I was writing you to ask if the page sounds any better now, and if not what suggestions you would have for making the entry work.

Thanks cabbateCabbate (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)