User talk:MadeYourReadThis/Archives/2011/September

WP:Aviation
Just noticed you're in this wikiproject ... if you're interested in having a quick look, we've got one aviation article at FAC now (Northrop YF-23) and one that will hopefully be back at FAC soon (Hawker Siddeley Harrier). I'm not as comfortable with aviation articles as with some other Milhist articles, and that's made FAC a little harder for me with these. - Dank (push to talk) 19:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

wensley haydon baillie
--Pipebowl (talk) 20:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)I note you've marked this page for deletion - I only came onto Wikipedia recently when I found this. I have known WHB personally, the profile is accurate and is very worthy of expansion. It is an informative page and could be expanded. Please review http://www.ucc.ie/law/restitution/archive/englcases/dexter.htm and see what it says, it outlines a court case of interest. Also check out http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/payout_for_boat_damage_caused_by_spinnaker_tower_building_work_1_1228421    concerning vessel Brave Challenger. Everything said can be veried absolutely. There's loads in public record that is still out there to be pulled together and cited to expand the profile. Brave Challenger runs on Rolls Royce Proteus jet engines, worth citing. If WHB sees this wikipedia profile he maybe won't be a fan. Another connection to be cited is his brother Ormond- a skilled pilot killed in an air crash. Deleting this page would not be productive. I have no idea who the originator is but he identified an interesting personality Pipebowl (talk) 20:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wensley Haydon Baillie has improved sufficiently since it was first nominated for deletion that it can stay. Claims have been substantiated with reliable sources.--RadioFan (talk) 22:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

WFMY edit
Hello,

Regarding your edit to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WFMY-TV&action=history wherein you removed a reference to a blog that reports WFMY's errors, exaggerations and plagiarism. A preemptive determination that this blog is "not a reliable source" as you suggested, simply because of its publishing platform is unwarranted. Examination of this blog will reveal that it is long established as a reliable observer and critic of local media in WFMY's market. Regarding the posts about WFMY specifically, you will see that they are sourced and documented and its reliability, therefore, should be judged by its content and not its platform.

24.163.17.105 (talk) 18:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources does judge based on platform. Please take this discussion to the article's talk page.--RadioFan (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

You are correct
Hello,

Yes, you are correct. Thank you for your patience.

24.163.17.105 (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:WINK AM logo.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:WINK AM logo.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 03:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Media In Uganda
Hello. You have marked the article Media in Uganda as having neutrality disputes. I wonder which ones as I see no one disputing except you. Do you mind feeling me in on what part exactly you feel is not neutral? Thanx. Chris.Gido (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article needs to be written from a nuetral point of view. The opening sentence claims the industry is "vibrant", according to who?  If this is how the industry is generally described, then some citations to reliable sources should clear that up.  If it's how the author of this article describes the industry then it is personal opinion and does not belong in the article.  There are additional claims of size and use of words like "dominated" that raise concerns about neutrality.  The article as a whole needs to be reviewed and claims either cited or the language toned down.--RadioFan (talk) 19:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your argument of citing every single sentence is not new and I find it ridiculous to say the least. Must every single sentence made on Wikipedia be cited? I dont think that is possible. And one thing you cant deny is that the creating editor always has an opinion. There are very few editors on Wikipedia who have the ability to write an article without giving their opinions. What words would they use then? Anyway just so you know, I am the one that created the article and I find it odd that you state in your POV tag that the issue is being discussed on the talk page of the article yet you didn't add anything to the talk page. I thought part of the guidelines for using POV template is that you MUST state your reasons on the article's talk page? So maybe you can write what you are saying here on the talk page and we see who else comes up to dispute the neutrality. Because another POV guideline if am correct is that the tag should be removed once there is no one disputing on the talk page. Chris.Gido (talk) 22:34, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I said nothing about citing every single sentence. Nuetrality is policy, it's not optional, and it's central to the construction of the encyclopedia.  Also keep in mind that Wikipedia is based only on what is verifiable.  This also central to the encyclopedia. I'll gladly add some info on the talk page about the issues.  Please try not to take things so personally.  We all have the same goal, and that's a quality article.--RadioFan (talk) 02:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do note that my concern is to solve the issue of neutrality that you claim exists on this article and therefore I have already replied to your arguments on the talk page of the article and would expect you to follow up with a rebuttal if you have one. Because like i said i think you are the only one who sees neutrality issues in this article therefore you have a duty to see it through to the end. I would advise you to ask other editors to take a look at the article and contribute on its talk page regarding the issue. Otherwise there will be no justifiable reason for the POV tag to remain in case there is no progress being made. Chris.Gido (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Chuck E.'s In Love
Hi, I see you replaced the article with a redirect. As far as I can tell, both the artist (Rickie Lee Jones) and the song itself (among Billoboard's top five) are sufficiently notable to warrant an individual article pr WP:NSONGS. I haven't reverted your edit; I'd like to solicit your input first. For the record, this message is a follow-up to an OTRS complaint (ticket# 2011080510001114), but as a regular editor I do agree with the complainant. Asav | Talk (Member of the OTRS Volunteer Response Team) 01:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed the redirect based on the claim of charting but as mentioned in the edit comment, the claim is dubious. Taking to talk on the article discussion.  The artist's notability does help establish the notability of album articles but not songs per WP:NSONGS.  Charting, awards and/or notable covers of the song do help.  Also, I'm unable to access the ticket, can you assist there? Until then would you mind notifying the editor who complained that there are questions about this claim.--RadioFan (talk) 12:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * According to this and this Billboard page, Chuck E.'s In Love did indeed peak at number four and stayed fifteen weeks on the chart. Unfortunately, I can't help you with the OTRS ticket if you don't have access, since OTRS correspondence is confidential. I'll make sure to alert the submitter, though. Thanks for your edit! Asav | Talk (Member of the OTRS Volunteer Response Team) 12:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Not sure why this wasn't showing up in the artist page.  It's been added as a citation in the article.  I've seen some issues like this with the Billboard database in the past.  Please also remind the submitter of importance of citing material, especially material that is used to demonstrate notability.--RadioFan (talk) 13:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

NASA Tweetup
I just added the numbers up. Funny how folks think simple arithmetic is WP:Original. Nasa-verve (talk) 20:58, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Adding the numbers up might not be accurate enough. A surprisingly large percentage of participants have been to multiple tweetups.  If NASA has a number (they have at least 1 full time person devoted to managing these tweetups), let's use that and cite it instead.--RadioFan (talk) 21:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Gokceada Airport
Hey RadioFan,

Need your advise. Despite I can't find any reference to Pegasus Airlines flying from Ankara and Istanbul to Gokceada airport somebody has put this info back on the page again. I have removed once, but this came again and the person who did it left no reference to prove the info being correct. What do you do in that case? Thanks. (Haksal (talk) 10:58, 13 September 2011 (UTC))
 * In this case you may remove the material again and may continue to do so up to three times before running into problems. when removing the material, explain why in the comments and leave a note on the talk page of the editor who added it reminding them to include references for their claims. I've removed the material and added a note to the editor's page.--RadioFan (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Penn GodNo.jpg
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Regarding image referred to above
I have restored the tag for deletion on the image due to its resolution being too high to qualify for Fair Usage. This concern was stated in the deletion template when I originally placed it. As a random example, I'd give The_Audacity_of_Hope as a demonstration of a more appropriate image resolution. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 13:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How about you tag it for resizing instead of deletion?--RadioFan (talk) 13:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

SB.TV
Hi, sorry I can't do any more amendments, but in my eyes I can't edit any more to lose more information. If you have time could you try de-promotising it? TDW  ✉  15:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The whole article is one big promotional piece. If you are unable to "depromote" it, it will be marked for deletion as spam.--RadioFan (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but could be a little less ruthless and give me some more specific guidelines and maybe in particular where it is wrong? Do you not have any time to devote to this one article?-- TDW   ✉  22:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article isn't neutral, it's overly positive and contains a number of terms which promote rather than inform. " the brand has achieved " sounds like it was written by a PR firm. Something like "The channel has been viewed" is more neutral.  Phrases like "the rapid success of founder and media mogul" are unnecessary and unsupported.  Who called it rapid?  Who calls the founder a "media mogul"?  Claims like these must be backed up by reliable sources and even then they need to be written in a neutral way like "Founder Jamal Edward has been called a media mogul by the Daily Press and MTV News".  Also referring to print media coverage as "column inches" is confusing to many readers at best and a tip off that this was written by a PR firm at worst. I'm opening the discussion up to a wider audience.--RadioFan (talk) 23:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Changing User Name Color
Hi, Radiofan I need to help because I cant change color in my user name. I always see my username in editing list in red, not single blue. My username looks always red. Thanks for your understanding. Karparthos (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is red because you dont have a user page. Click on your name and add something to that page and it will turn blue.--RadioFan (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

India Evangelical Lutheran Church
That's done. 28bytes pointed to a a similar case at WP:AN. -- RA (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Transborder listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Transborder. Since you had some involvement with the Transborder redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). kelapstick(bainuu) 18:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Too many references
Now relisted. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--RadioFan (talk) 03:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kepler-16b
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Your use of BLPROD
You recently placed a BLPROD tag on George Ralphs. You should be aware that the BLPROD process only applies to articles on subjects who are still alive; as Mr. Ralphs stopped pushing groceries and started pushing up daisies in 1914, it doesn't apply to his article. I have removed the prod. --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I missed that death date.--RadioFan (talk) 01:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I want to complain about the user Karparthos. User:Karparthos For a week he deletes airlines and destinations from the article, Ben-Gurion Airport. He did not bring proof (and I have lots of proofs that he is wrong) and he continues to delete even the proof that show that he is wrong. I'd love if you send him a message to stop ,because he dont listen to me.

Assaf. Assaf050 (talk) 23:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be best if you brought your concerns to the article talk page. If you feel that this user is acting improperly, add a tag and someone will be along to help out.--RadioFan (talk) 03:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) .--Assaf050 (talk) 13:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

French Louie Wiki Page
Thank you for your help with my page. I've got to say, it's a work in progress. There is precious little written about French Louie. I'm buying more books to even out my article, but some of them haven't been delivered yet. DavidHenrickson (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I"m still a bit concerned that this topic may not meet notability guidelines. How about I move the article under your userid so you may continue to improve it without worry that someone will delete it.--RadioFan (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got a couple more books I can cite. I'm going to put them in this week.  I've looked at the notability guidelines, and I believe I'll be OK with regards to them.  Although it's true there is little written about him, virtually every book about the Adirondacks mentions him.  They just don't say much.  I also need to figure out how to get a picture or two of him to put on the page.  I certainly don't want the page deleted, if you move it under my userid, how will I get to it?  What should I do? --DavidHenrickson (talk) 16:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Ben Gurion Airport
I have a problem with Assaf050. Because he always adding airlines and airports that do not serve Ben Gurion Airport. He is very creative with new destinations like Air Europa to the Barcelona which do not exist. Another example: He wrote Dubrovnik Airline to fly from Zagreb to Ben Gurion Airport which they do not. Look at the revision history of Ben Gurion Airport. He is the most editer of the airport. Do you think every of his contributions is true? I think nearly every of his contributions is wrong. I send lots of message to him but he doesn't want to listen to me.

Thanks for your understanding.

Karparthos 22:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * When you remove material, you need to explain why. You both need to tone it down a bit with the accusations of vandalsim and questinging the truth of various additionas.  Stick to the facts and make sure you have references to back up your claims or you are both going to get banned form editing. Remember, wikipedia isn't about what is "true" it's about what is verifiable.  If a particular airline doesn't fly a particular route, go ahead and remove that but explain why and then put a note on the talk page explaining why it was removed and providing your reference for doing so (official web page for the airport, the airline, a published flight schedule, etc.)--RadioFan (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I understand these rules but he needs to be understand these rules too. Can you send a message about these notes to him? And it will be fairly.

Thank you:)

Karparthos 09:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karparthos (talk • contribs)

=
=============================== Karparthos, 1. Please do not write a messgae on my message. 2. I'm working with Ben Gurion Airport and i know exactly which airline operating flights to Tel Aviv. Air Europa are operating flights to Tel Aviv and you can check on their website (in Spanish) Dubrovnik Airline are operating seasonal charter flights from Dubrovnik and Zagreb too to destinations in Europe and Israel. I have alot of proofs and you are ignoring them. Do you have a proof?Give it to me.You dont? don't change things. .)--Assaf050 (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Dont send messages to another user on my talk page, they are not likely to see them. Post this over on that users's talk page. You both need to look over WP:V and WP:CITE for information on how to properly cite your sources.--RadioFan (talk) 15:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello
I have poorf on Ben Gurion website: http://www.iaa.gov.il/Rashat/en-US/Airports/BenGurion/InformationforTravelers/ScheduleFlights.htm Click on untill year 2012. All the airlines and the destinations that I argued with him in there. please check it-This avoids the chaos PLEASE :( --Assaf050 (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Ben Gurion
Hello, I have to pay attention to this big debate. I have a lot evidence that Assaf050 is right. I wrote to Mr. Karparthos my notes, but but because he is so childish he deleted my notes. He has no real evidence and he is not listen to us and continues to change things. I must say that I was a flight attendant of Air Canada on routes: Toronto-Zurich, Toronto - Tel Aviv and Toronto - London(UK) and I remember they operated flights to Tel Aviv all the year.

--Swiss Man2 (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much Swiss Man :)

--Assaf050 (talk) 20:39, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * SwissMan, I dont want to get in the middle of a conflict between two editors and suggest that you think twice before doing so. WIkipedia policy is clear on this.  If there are references and consensus among editors, the material stays.  If there are no references and none can be located, it goes.  Also, your personal experience, while interesting, are not a sufficient reference.  A newspaper article on a new route or a flight schedule from one of the airlines is a suitable reference.  See WP:RS for more information.--RadioFan (talk) 22:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello Swiss Man2

I think you and Assaf050 remember that Ben Gurion Airport page created by Wikipedia. Everybody edit or add something this page. You dont know my information is true or false. I also dont believe you. Because I think you and Assaf050 like a teammate. Assaf050 and you always edit same things. Also you cannot say im childish to me. Because it was against the rules of Wikipedia.

Karparthos 21:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added references to some entries you've made to ensure they are kept and yes I've removed some entries you've made that could not be refernced. This is not a competition, it's about creating an article that is well cited.  Also I dont appreciate the accusation that I'm working against you or the project.  I've never accused you of being "childish", others may have but I have not.  Please focus on the articles and not the editors.--RadioFan (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello Swiss Man2

I think you and Assaf050 remember that Ben Gurion Airport page created by Wikipedia. Everybody edit or add something this page. You dont know my information is true or false. I also dont believe you. Because I think you and Assaf050 like a teammate. Assaf050 and you always edit same things. Also you cannot say im childish to me. Because it was against the rules of Wikipedia.

Karparthos 21:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added references to some entries you've made to ensure they are kept and yes I've removed some entries you've made that could not be refernced. This is not a competition, it's about creating an article that is well cited.  Also I dont appreciate the accusation that I'm working against you or the project.  I've never accused you of being "childish", others may have but I have not.  Please focus on the articles and not the editors.--RadioFan (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions
Hello RadioFan,

Thank you for your contributions in Ben Gurion Airport page. If you help me in Ben Gurion airport page. I will never argue with Assaf050.

Karparthos 15:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karparthos (talk • contribs)
 * There are 2 issues here. I appreciate your willingness to avoid conflict with Assaf050 but your additions still need proper sourcing.  Comments dont cut it.  Please review WP:CITE and use it to share the references you are using in a way that is verifiable.--RadioFan (talk) 16:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Screencast for new NPP tool design?
Hello. This is Ian Baker. I'm a developer over at the Wikimedia Foundation.

tl;dr: We’re designing a much-improved UI for NPP tools, and we’re seeking guidance—and hopefully, screencasts of your NPP workflow—from expert New Page Patrollers like yourself. We’re asking for this so we can see (literally) what actions you take during patrolling which could be better supported through software.

I'm contacting you because, according to our statistics, you're a particularly active New Page Patroller on the English Wikipedia. Here at the WMF, we're working on a design for a much-improved NPP user interface. We hope that it will (as part of a larger strategy) address many outstanding issues in the article creation process, while also providing a more modern, streamlined and efficient UX for patrollers.

To do this successfully, we are relying upon the guidance of our most experienced patrollers. I'm sending this message to the ten most prolific patrollers in 2011, and a few other people who've been participating actively in this discussion.

Specifically, I'm hoping you can take a few minutes to record a screencast of yourself doing NPP. We're looking for a 10-15 minute session, but more is okay if you feel it's needed. Ideally, you'd first walk us through your process, explaining as you go, and then switch to doing NPP at your usual pace.

Our preliminary examination of this feature has shown that many experienced patrollers have evolved their own specially-tailored interface and workflow, often using external tools and plugins. Making an interface that works well will require understanding those tools and the motivation for using them. However, even if you haven't done that, observing your NPP technique will still be valuable, giving us insights into what factors inform your judgement, how you use the existing interface, and how long NPP generally takes an expert patroller such as yourself.

If you'd like to help, great! I've posted a set of instructions over at the relevant  thread on the Article Creation Workflow talk page, which should get you everything you need to know. If something's missing or you have a question, post it there. That's also the place to go if you want to learn more about the reasoning behind this request.

I understand that people have differing expectations of privacy with regard to their own computer and voice. Therefore, you can either post this screencast publicly (place a link in the talk page above) or if you'd prefer, send it to me privately at ian@wikimedia.org.

Of course, any other input on this feature that you’d like to provide is also welcome. Don't hesitate to get involved in the discussion on the above-linked talk page, or contact me personally. I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks! raindrift (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Jerusalem Trail
Hi. I have de-PRODed this article which you PRODded. Consider AfD if you like, but a Findsources search suggested to me that it is notable enough for an article, and I have added a couple of references. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide a link to Findsources, I'd like to take a look.--RadioFan (talk) 12:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's template findsources, and what it produces here is . It shows, among other things, that there is another Jerusalem Trail in Vermont! JohnCD (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks.--RadioFan (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)