User talk:Magi Media

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The Original Barnstar

Especially on your amazing contributions to the Thaddeus S. C. Lowe article. Good job Mike! ↔ A NAS ''' - Talk

TSC Lowe
You seem quite the authority on Thad! Thank you for your input to this article. Could you please add a publisher and date (or other source) on the Intrepid reference to your materials? BTW, if you use the "view preview" button (or paste text from a spell-checked word document), you can cut down on the number of minor cleanup "editions" that the saved history database keeps. ;-) Lupinelawyer 00:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Mount Lowe article
Thanks for your great work on Mount Lowe Railway! I made a few copyedits to the article but didn't change anything of substance that you wrote.

I also removed your signature. My apologies, but Wikipedia articles are always unsigned. Your name can be seen in the "History" tab, and anyone who runs a diff on the history will see what work you did.

Thanks again! Lawrence King 10:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Some friends and I went hiking up in the Mount Lowe ruins around ten years ago -- some pretty cool stuff. Sadly, I'm now in the Bay Area instead of the Los Angeles area where I grew up....


 * The Mount Lowe Railway article was put on the WikiProject:Trains list and given a B Class rating. When I was first editing the article it was a jumble of what people before were piecing in and it had no direction. At this point I am acclaimed a foremost authority on the railroad. I have rewritten a more comprehensive article in hopes to improve its rating. I invite you readers to go there! Magi Media 19:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

Los Angeles history
I saw your note at Talk:Los Angeles, California/archive1. FYI, we generally do not post to archive pages, since, well, they're archived. If you have a comment it's better to post it to the current talk page so that more people will see it. Note that we also have a much longer treatment, History of Los Angeles, California. It'd be great if you could add your sourced material to it. Thanks, -Will Beback 07:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Prof. Lowe
FYI, we don't use titles, like "Professor", in the titles of articles. Cheers, -Will Beback 20:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's the formal citation, in case you'tre interested in the arcana. Naming conventions (people). Not to worry, you're doing a great job. Cheers, -Will Beback 02:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * PS, If you've changed usernames, don't forget to change log-ins as well. -Will Beback 20:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Altadena
This article has been reverted back before your additions of copyrighted material from. Copying of facts is legal; however, copying blocks of text without rewording, editing, altering is not. Rmhermen 06:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The exception is if the copyright belongs to you. If it is please leave a note on the article talk page prpclaiming your original authorship. -Will Beback 06:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The procedure from Copyright problems:
 * Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia: If you submitted work to Wikipedia which you had previously published (especially online), and your submission was marked as a potential infringement of copyright, stating that you are the copyright holder of the work on the article's talk page helps, but will not likely prevent deletion. It is sufficient to:


 * Make a note permitting reuse under the GFDL at the site of the original publication.
 * Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions at wikimedia dot org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation.

I agree with Will that a note should also be left at the article page describing the original authorship. Rmhermen 18:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as you are the author of the original text (and you were not paid to create it), submission is fine (along with the statement that you added identifying yourself as author. However, unless you took the two photographs or own the rights, you do not own them and cannot release them under GFDL. Remember that under U.S. law, all published works are by default copyrighted - even works created by local governments, in most cases. Rmhermen 15:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Movement to impeach George W. Bush
Hi Magi Media. I noticed your comment on Movement to impeach George W. Bush and thought you might be interested to know that the article was previously nominated for deletion. You can see the discussion at Articles for deletion/Movement to impeach George W. Bush and see why it was kept. I have not made many contributions to the article, and did not participate in the AfD, but I think that article takes a pretty NPOV on a real, notable and verifiable movement. Given the result of the AfD, it seems that the article is on Wikipedia for good. (No alternate meaning intended there.) btm talk 10:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Railroad
There's a question about the Mt. Lowe Railroad. the article says it " had the distinction of being the one and only electric traction (overhead electric trolley) railroad ever built." That seems implausible. Is there perhaps a word missing? Cheers, -Will Beback 02:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Mount Lowe railroad
I figured you'd just left out a word. Fascinating railroad, that's for sure. There are a few photos of it in the Library of Congress collection we could probably use if the Wikipedia article needs some more shots. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 11:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Military Aviation
By all means, Magi! Sign yourself up to the military History wikiproject and the aviation task force! It's definitely relevant. Glad to have you on board. Cheers, Guapovia 14:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See if there's an article about ballooning, or military ballooning. If it exists, try to merge the articles. If it doesn't exist, create the article and post a link in the Military Aviation task force page. Good to see you're so enthusiastic! Guapovia 17:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Kinney
Thanks again for your excellent contributions regrading the history and geopgrahy of the area. It occurs to me that you'd be an ideal person to write an article on Abbott Kinney. While he's best known for founding Venice of America, his work in creating the San Gabriel Timberland Reserve, and what became the National Forest system, is of even greater importance. A fascinating guy, his name is already in many articles with a red link. Any interest? Cheers, -Will Beback 21:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I knew about "Kinneola" though I've never been quite sure where his estate was. In any case, if you or I don't get around to writing it someone else will. I just thought you could do a better job than most of us. Cheers, -Will Beback 19:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Nicely done. Thanks for the contribution. Cheers, -Will Beback 21:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Arroyo Seco
Thanks for your improvements to the Arroyo Seco article. I was wondering if you have any sources or references for some of the information you added. Assuming you do, could you please add a "References" section to the article with the appropriate information? Thanks in advance. Mike Dillon 16:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Please don't take my request as a challenge. When I called your additions "improvements", I meant it. I have read your bio and your additions definitely seemed verifiable, so I wasn't going to remove them or anything. Since, as you say, there are many sources that you are familiar with, I really just wanted you to add the best and most relevant of those sources to a References section. I'm not asking for inline citations of every detail, but the addition of a robust list of references will allow citations to be added in time to improve the usefulness of the article as part of the larger encyclyopedia. Mike Dillon 05:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that you had added some references. Thanks. Mike Dillon 05:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Tongva move
It would probably be best to propose the move on the discussion page for the Tongva article. I would assume that the tribe would prefer the name from their native language and that the recognized tribal name "Gabrielino/Tongva" is probably used because they were called "Gabrielino" in treaties or some other earlier form of recongition. Personally "Tongva" seems like a better name to me. Mike Dillon 04:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Balloon
Sorry to keep pruning your stuff, but you are putting disproportionately large amounts of details on peripheral matters into these battle articles. If we spend 2-3 paragraphs on the infantry actions, spending equal or greater space to details about Lowe and where his balloons were is not appropriate. The First Bull Run article should probably be twice as long as it is, but this is not the way to expand it. Long details about ACW ballooning in general can go into its own article, details about Lowe's exploits into his biography. Hal Jespersen 01:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't mind the pruning. I toss out the material and others can cut it to what's appropriate. I was trying to find someway for someone to edit all I had to write, but there seemed to be no one who could answer my how-to's. I'll take you're remarks into consideration and pare down this article. Thanks Magi Media 02:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

Thanks for understanding. If you have any questions about editing how-to's, I'd be happy to help. You might check my little style guide for some tips on how I do things. If you have any lengthy requests, email to me is probably more efficient. And let me know if you'd like to have some editing help on your big balloon article; I have been holding off as it seems you're changing it frequently. Hal Jespersen 02:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Dirigible
Thanks for the spiffy picture that you put into the "dirigible" article. However, since "dirigible" is an archaic term, the "dirigible" article is a disambiguation page that primarly directs people the article named after the more modern term -- airship. (See the Terminology section of airship for a complete discussion of the terms and their meanings.) I think you'll find that the "airship" article is fairly complete. I've also taking the liberty of moving the new image to the more appropriate non-rigid airship. Regards. Blimpguy 18:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Benjamin D. Wilson
Hi there. Thanks for your comment about the notes I made on my cursory research of Benjamin Wilson. I guess I could have integrated some of the more verifiable material into the article, but I felt like the sum of my sources all seemed like hearsay. I couldn't actually point to a decent, consistent source, so I didn't add the stuff to the article. I remember reading that nobody has really done a biography of Wilson, so I figured the disparate source materials had not really been organized yet (beyond the Wilson papers collection at the Huntington).

Also, my understanding of the Don Benito thing was that to become a citizen of Mexico at the time, one had to swear to be a Catholic and take a Spanish first name. When Wilson went to what was then Mexico in the early 1840s and wanted to own land, he became a Mexican citizen and took the name Don Benito Wilson. I didn't keep track of where I read that, but it seems plausible. Pretty much anyone who owned land in the Mexican era was called "Don" (it comes from Latin dominus, "lord of the house"). Mike Dillon 03:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've heard pretty much the same thing. There's an unrelated story that John Robinson tells of a Mr. Chapman who smuggled into L.A. in the olden days. He was thrown into jail because he was a Yankee, and as such could not legally reside there. It turned out that Chapman was a woodsman and the city was desperate for someone who could fell lumber competently, so he was released on "parole" to cut trees in Icehouse Canyon. Also from Robinson I recall reading that Wilson was among the first gringos to become established in town. -Will Beback 05:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Very good gentlemen, your understanding of these two men is pretty good. It is very plausible that Wilson had to become a Mexican citizen and a Catholic at that time in California history. The good historical authority I take my lead from was a So Cal map historian who actually told us that gringos in California were basically prisoners under state house arrest. That meant you were free to travel about, but not leave California. However, you could marry into Spanish families. General Patton, and the Patton family, were Catholics, so thereby hangs the tale. Chapman was taken prisoner from a captured ship near Monterey. He was a tall strapping redheaded Scotsman who generally found favor with the Spanish and with the Indians, like Wilson. He was given walking freedom due to the fact that he was able to organize the Indians in helping with the logging done in that canyon, but I didn't remember the name "Icehouse." Magi Media 13:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Magi Media


 * From what I understand, the Mexican policies were comparable to previous imperial Spanish policies, which had been so strict as to forbid trade with other countries, and which ran the colony almost as a military outpost. Wasn't the trade that Richard Dana participated in illicit? Anyway, I don't have the book at hand, but I recall reading that Chapman logged the tall trees (incense cedars, ponderosa pines) that grow in Icehouse Canyon, a tributary of the San Antonio Creek. No matter. -Will Beback 08:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Spanish and Mexican policies -- like in Texas - were strict in theory but rather lax in practice. Practically speaking, Californians needed the Yankees and their trading connections.  I think it a stretch to describe that "gringos" were under a form of "house arrest."  There were quite a few here -- Abel Stearns and Don Juan Temple probably the two most familiar -- who made numerous trips to Mexico.  I believe Stearns even returned to Massachusetts -- but I couldn't swear to it without the sources in front of me.
 * As for the Pattons, while they may have converted to Catholicism much later, they were Episcopalians when they came to California after the Civil War, from Culpeper County, Virginia. George Patton Sr. and George H. Smith (stepfather to George Patton Jr. who married B.D. Wilson's daughter) were close cousins back in Virginia, and  were also somewhat distant cousins of John Strother Griffin (Wilson's frequent business partner).  Through marriages and other business relationships, they were also very closely connected with the Eatons, the Bannings, as well Glassell and Chapman.
 * Good sources for all this include Reid, History of Pasadena; various bios of the Patton family (except Ladislas Fargo's, numerous inaccuracies in that), Wright, Doris M. A Yankee in Mexican California: Abel Stearns, 1798-1848;  71.116.187.143 00:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent sourcing here! I have a great book called the History of Los Angeles County (1885) which pretty much related the stories I had told above. There was probably more "house arresting" among the Spanish Californians than the Mexican regime. It was a roach motel policy: you could check in, but you couldn't check out. California was a kept secret, the "island" that the Spanish more protected than outsourced. I'm sure that eventually the ruling became a little lax and that maybe exceptions were made, but I'm not so sure about the interstate trade connections. I don't think that Wilson and Chapman were trade connections. There was also a realization by the US govt at the time of the revolutions that there were Yankees in California with interests to protect and that was one of the reason for the conflict leading up to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo, the annexation and the pacification. And the Pattons were Episcopalians??? Magi Media 02:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

The Beach Boys
Is this image fair use? I think I've seen it on the fan site, I'm not sure, but I'm not positive its public domain. I could be wrong though. Feedback would be appreciated, thanks! J. M. 07:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I was qualifying it as a low resolution image for fair use in the article. I thought it was an album cover, but now as I research it, maybe not. I otherwise did not see any other copyright for it. We could replace it, if you think it would be a problem --- or seek permission to use it.

History of Los Angeles, California
Hve you read over History of Los Angeles, California? I saw you made a small edit. It's a big article, with many fine sections. But there's a gap- we have almost nothing about one of the most interesting periods of the area, 1913 - 1941. I know your allegiance is to another community, but we have to "write for the enemy" around here. Of course the article suffers from the difficult position of the primary city within a megalopolis- the question of how much of the history should be regional versus city-specific. While the L.A. city article should be strict, it makes sense for a history article to be more inclusive. Another odd factor in the article are the "special topics". Those are partly my creation, when I moved long stretches of text that didn't fit the chronology into those appendices. They seemed too important to the topic to delete or move to another article, although the arrangement is clumsy. If we can integrate more of it into the chronology that'd make it less separate. Anyway, any help you can contribute would be appreciated. Cheers, -Will Beback 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Everybody likes your brother-in-law. He's especially popular with Griffith Park hikers like myself. Anyway, politicians of a different sort ran the city in the 1920s and 1930s. Mayor Shaw is a great subject. -Will Beback 20:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Cinco de Mayo
"Commercial interests" sounds much better than "commercial avarice" - which, you have to agree, is going a little too far. :-) You said, though, that you weren't "making it up" - which is absolutely true, but you seemed to hint that you had a specific source behind you. Would you mind citing/quoting that source to make it stronger, if there is one? zafiroblue05 | Talk 06:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Altadena map
Mike,

Love the historic Altadena map. I'm moving into Altadena this month, and I'm wondering if you know where I might be able to find a large print of that map to frame and hang in my house. dpotter 20:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The map of which you speak is a John Woodbury map, and of course, as you may know, he was one of the principals of the Rubio Land & Water Co. So Rubio water owns the original. Duplications were made back in the 70's when Robert Petersen was writing the "Golden Years" book. So large copies are not available these days. Anything else about it has to be bootlegged from existing copies, and to tell you the truth I don't remember where I got my copy. But since it's on line. it's not very big. Thanks for your interest and welcome to Altadena. Mike (Magi Media) Manning

Battle of Puebla
Many thanks for your authoritative sorting out of Battle of Puebla. It was an excellent idea to include the legends, carefully segregated as such - with a bit of luck that will stop them creeping back into the main page. I fear, though, that this is a page that will always need vigilance, since the related Cinco de Mayo page is a constant resort of vandals. seglea 19:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have the history of, it still exists here id:File:Cinco_de_Mayo_celeb.jpg. Philly jawn (talk) 16:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Switzer's
The headwater of the Arroyo Seco is Red Box, but I doubt that spot is worth having an article. As I recall, Robinson says that Switzer gained the moniker "Commodore" for his management of mules in stream crossings. Robinson also says that there was a sign along the trail near the camp from which hung a horn. The instructions said to use the horn to indicate how many guests were arriving, so that their dinner could be prepared. The chapel was a masterful illusion, from the photos I've seen. I can't recall the number of deaths on the sign, but it wasn't more than a dozen. Of course it's an old sign now, and the real number may be higher. Cheers, -Will Beback 02:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

67! Wow. I once saw S&R helicopters from the LA Sheriff's Dept either rescuing or practicing around Switzer's Falls. I was up in a ridge, and was very impressed to see the big choppers in that narrow canyon. As for the other camp, do you mean Oakwild(e)? -Will Beback 04:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Mount Lowe Railway
By the way, I hike up to Echo Mountain fairly often (and Mt. Lowe occasionally). Let me know if you want any additional pictures. You've done a great job of assembling old photos, which are more useful anyway. Still, I thought I'd offer just in case. Cheers, -Will Beback 19:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello, again WBB. Haven't heard in a while. If you have seen my web site [], you'd realize that I have a plethora of pictures. I was actually privee to the Pasadena Hist Museum's archive and a selection from some 500 slides which were laying in a shoe-box under a table. Why? were you looking forward to seeing some more in the article?--Magi Media 03:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Magi Media.


 * Wow, what a collection! Thanks for recording the history of the area, and of its people. I was looking at the "Altadena Panorama", trying to deduce its vantage point. Somewhere along Castle Canyon, or at Inspiration Point? It'd be fun to take a similar picture today. The hills haven't changed much but the plains sure have. Cheers, -Will Beback 10:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I would say that it's taken from a ridge somewhere along castle Canyon. Inspiration Point is a little far away and from a different aspect.--Magi Media 04:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

O.M. & M. R. R.
As it appears at the upper end of the Mount Lowe Railway on the following map: What was that?

Peter Horn 13:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Peter Horn 13:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if I overlooked the OMMRR in my article, but it's not really part of the MLR. The OM&M (one man and a mule) was a small tourist attraction started by a man who had taken up a sort of residency at the Tavern. He used the OMM as a means of income to pay for his stay. He suffered from tuberculosis and the drier California climate of the time was a place for more ailing people to come.


 * Mr. Z., short for Zetterwall, laid one mile of rickety track along four major peaks, they all had names like John Muir Peak and Observation Peak, and his mule Herbert would push a two side-seater cart with passengers, maybe a dozen or so, down and back on the tracks from Inspiration Point. The story is on my website book, Man, Mountain, and Monument, Chapter 16. --Magi Media 14:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Refrigerator vs. Freezer
I noticed that you've made comments in the past about whether the refrigerator and freezer articles should be separate, and I proposed a merge of these two articles recently. Feel free to stop by and comment at Talk:Refrigerator if you have a chance. Dekimasu 01:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Thanks from the Mount Lowe Railway
Glad I could be of assistance. - Tutmosis 03:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Asking for permission to upload an image to Commons
Hi Mr. Manning,

First of all, please allow me to apologize for disturbing you, but I would like to ask you permissions to upload some images ( and ) that you have creatd and that would be very nice for our Battle of Puebla article in the Spanish language wiki. This article needs a rework, and I think that it may be the time to include these images.

Thanks a lot in advance for your answer and best regards, --jamuki 23:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The images are uploaded and are in the article. What are you talking about? And what rework are you suggesting?...put it on the discussion page first. Let's take a look at the "rework."--Magi Media 05:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Magi Media,
 * I am very sorry for the confussion and for not explain what I wanted to do in a more understanable way. I was refering to upload them to Commons, that is the common pool for images for all the wikipedias. If an image is in Common it can be used not only in the English Wikipedia but also in all the rest of wikipedias (the one in french, the one in German, etc). Your images are uploaded into the English Wikipedia, I want to put them also in Commons, so we can use it in es.wikipedia.org (the Spanish Wiki)
 * _Thanks a lot in advance for your answer and best regards,
 * --jamuki 15:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine!--Magi Media 18:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot again!
 * --jamuki 22:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I thank you, and my madre thanks you


this is lovely. Good work. jengod 21:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Haggling over the Hindenburg
Hello again. I certainly have some books that I can add to the references on the LZ 129 Hindenburg article in general. I don't have a lot of energy to do much more work there. The controversies surrounding the silly "incendiary paint theory" just sucks the life out of the article. The constant nonsense added by the IPT proponents is very tiresome. I think that's the main reason that the article doesn't get better over time. Regards. Blimpguy 16:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi you were saying on the Hindenburg page that the "H on fire picture was pretty cheezy." I agree and I made that picture but anyway do you think people would like if I made a better picture of the hindenburg on fire? because that was one of the first picture I colorized but now I'm a little better at it--Pediaguy16 19:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think that any of the "blimpophiles" appreciate the colorized bw's. I made some colorized bws on my website over the Mount Lowe Railway---and they are cheezy. But they helped define some otherwise unidentifiable objects in the picture. There was no real pictoral value to the colorized H pixes. Now, personally, I don't care, but you won't ever satisfy the blimpos with them. I liked the one with the parked Hindy in color, but I'm told it was colorized, and I'm not sure that's true, but it looked real good. Too good for colorizing. Make your appeal to some of the other zeppelin fans, they are the ones who pooh-poohed the colors.--Magi Media 05:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Your disneyland edits
Thank you for contributing to the disneyland page; regarding my rv's of your additions: please be aware that we've been working to minimize this already long article and have moved much of the land/attraction information that you've been trying to add to the WP pages already devoted to those items. Adventureland, for example. SpikeJones 10:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * you said...

"This article is already full of superfluous junk and is undergoing some pretty stiff criticism about its content which I think is holding it back from where it should be. Like those final lists: Disney in fiction, Disney in Music. And all that unreferenced stuff about the parks development in the 90s. My cursory parousal of this article leaves me wondering about the innovations Dusneyland has brought to theme park entertainment and which don't need to take up that much space"
 * Completely agree with you about superfluous/duplicate items, hence the removal of your items from the primary disneyland page (just wanted you to be aware why I pulled them a 2nd time so you wouldn't be concerned). The disney in fiction/music items could be moved to other pages, but removing them completely will result in them being re-added (WP is not a fan-site, but some treat it as such).  The whole history/park grows to a resort/90's section needs to be rewritten and sourced.   DL *has* had an impact on where amusement parks headed in the 70's (yes, it took that long for the others to catch up).  First use of themeing, the level of detail, ride innovations like steel coasters or other shows, park design, etc.  All valid items to include in an encyclopedic article.SpikeJones 13:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Mount Wilson Toll Road copyright
Hi,

You were the original editor of the page Mount Wilson Toll Road. It seems that a lot of the page has been copied from http://www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/LA/mtwilson2.htm which appears to be under copyright. -- IlyaHaykinson (talk) 07:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats My Mountain Wilson Toll Road!!!
I am the original editor of the Mt. Wilson Toll Road as listed on Wikipedia. The story as it was submitted is the story I tell of the Mount Wilson Toll Road in any of my lectures on Altadena history or talk on the Mount Lowe Railway, another of my original edits. I have never heard of Old Radio.com nor of Benjamin's Mountain. If anyone is plagiarizing, they are. I find my Wikipedia articles all over tell-all web sites. And all those photos are from my collection of Altadena photos. I am a recognized Altadena historian, and that road is damned near in my back yard. It's story is somewhat relative to the story of the Mount Lowe Railway, and those accounts on WP are mine. They come from a myriad of historical tales in Altadena, some published, and some lore. I request that the original text be reinstated. Understanding that WP articles become a matter of public domain, I find it small wonder that irrefutable tales like mine might be lifted and copyrighted on another site. Thank you.--Magi Media (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Photo of Devil's Gate Dam
I am wondering where your photo of Devil's Gate Dam was taken. If you could please identify the location that would fantastic. I am specifically referring to this picture:



Samafito (talk) 02:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in the photo. It was taken below the Woodbury/Arroyo roadway that crosses the dam's spillway. From the 210 freeway that passes by this very spot you can see all the sprayed stucco that was used to keep the waterway from eroding anymore. In the article look at the old photo that shows the same spot with the devil rock in its more primitive condition. Now imagine that's the area where the dam was built. This is a very early construct of an L.A. County flood control district that predates the post diluvial period of 1938. --Magi Media (talk) 04:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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Pics
The image issues have been frustrating over the years. Speaking on behalf of the "management" let me apologize for the apparent errors of the bot. Don't worry, we'll get it straightened out. It may take me a day or two (I'm just heading out now).  Will Beback   talk    17:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with all of the procedures concerning images, but I'm working on it. I may need your help filling in source material. I assume the maps were created by you and the old photos are from your personal collection.   Will Beback    talk    04:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, it took me a couple of days to make sure I wasn't breaking some rule myself, but I've now restored the images that were deleted from the articles you listed. In each case I wrote "Source: (Altadena Historical Society) Date: prior to 1923". That should be sufficient, but if you have more precise information that'd be even better. Also, I note that a number of other files, listed on this page, have also been deleted due to missing source information. I suppose those weren't being used in any article. Should we do something about those too?   Will Beback    talk    06:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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Pics
Thanks for your note. These image issues are very frustrating, but your pictures are so good that it's worth the effort to get them back. I'm thinking that the easiest thing might be if you sent the pics to me, and then I could upload them for you. Can you have activate your email?  Will Beback   talk    06:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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Charles Fletcher Lummis
Hello, thanks for your excellent work at the Lummis article.

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MILHIST Military Aviation Questionaire
Hi Magi Media! As your MILHIST Military Avation Task Force coordinator, I'd like to conduct a short questionaire to give me an idea of what you would the task force to achieve and the capabilities of yours that might contribute positively to the task force. The four questions of this questionaire are:
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Please reply by copying and pasting the following at User talk:Sp33dyphil and filling it out.
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Indiana Colony
On February 25, 2009, the Wikipedia entry on "Indiana Colony" read as follows:

"Berry was a former teacher become journalist who also had a great interest in his brother-in-law's granary. He was also an asthmatic and the midwest weather went hard on him. He contacted Mr. Meyer J. Newmark who had recently purchased Rancho Santa Anita (Arcadia, Ca.) and was able to get pertinent information on the southland. Newmark even stopped by Indianapolis and gave a first-hand account of California to the Elliotts et al. From that meeting the Indianans formed "The California Colony of Indiana." It took little time to fill the limited roll of the organizations membership."

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Would it be possible for you to check to see if it was Meyer J or Harris Newmark who had the conversation with the Indiana Colonists and who exactly stopped by in Indianapolis to see them?

Thank you so much, and please respond at Talk:Indiana_Colony ! GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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File source problem with File:Mt Baden Powell.jpg
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