User talk:Magicianbink

THPS
Hiya. Please don't do blind reverts without at least responding to the comments on the talk page - and please discuss the song inclusions there if you still feel they should be included. Thanks! Fin©™ 20:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I have addressed your points on the talk page, please read the most recent comment I've made. Also for now the fifth time, don't add content and say you'll fix it later as you did with this edit. Work on it in your namespace, or with notepad in the sandbox. Thanks! Fin©™ 21:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no harm in editing bit by bit if the current state is sufficient for reader and editor use Magicianbink (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

My Advice
Sorry for not responding earlier but I log in to Wikipedia with a rather decreasing frequency. I will make an attempt at providing you with some advice on the situation. However, you have to understand that I'm not familiar with whatever you had problems with in this particular case and I have no idea what kind of person I'm talking to. What I say may also have a limited usability to you as it will be very general. It's also only my personal point of view on Wikipedia environment. Use it accordingly or as you see fit. It's crucial to be aware that everything I write here is closely monitored. It may be used against me. On the other hand, everything you said or will say is going to be read and appropriately used against you as well. This one includes external sources (I find it especially amusing as some people can search everything very well but fail to protect themselves from personal information leaks). Wikipedia is made of two groups of people: novice and senior editors. You have to be a special kind of person to fit the latter group. Let's take me for instance: I have significant expertise in some topics and could expand Wikipedia. Things like that make you the star of many communities (multiplayer games come to mind, for example). Unfortunately, expertise is irrelevant here and people like me are alienated by this fact. I tried to fight it but failed. If you don't play by their rules you will most likely fail, too. We can only hope that Jimbo does something about this eventually. I rarely contribute to Wikipedia since I realised I basically have to argue with people who would be immediately shut down in every other community (that includes real life, in fact, as they mostly lack proper education). There are wanna-be-senior-editors you most likely have problems with that decided it's good to delete stuff. I genuinely doubt you will manage to gain anything except a fair amount of frustration if you put up a fight. If your work is not deleted today, it may be deleted 7 months from now. Time has no relevance in this place. What I would do if I were you - and in fact did myself - is to move most of my activities away from Wikipedia. You can of course decide to stay and learn how to play their game. To me, however, it's not worth the effort. If you're not happy with the wall of text you've just read because it doesn't provide you with any practical advice, it is probably because I have none. I failed in the very same thing you're trying to achieve and we're not the first people. You have no idea how many times before I had this very same conversation. I wish you the best of luck. OutOf Timer  Wanna chat?  12:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I went through the articles you edited and have to admit I really feel sorry for you. The people who you're forced to argue with most likely never played that game and certainly know nothing about skateboarding. An admin once told me "this doesn't matter because everyone has the right to edit Wikipedia... and then have their content removed because I don't like it"). Think about it next time you talk to Wikipedia users about the skateboarding culture. They don't care about it. It's really funny because the difference between people like me and them is that we do respect it. The truth is I don't know anything about skateboarding myself. I would even bet that if I played that game, I wouldn't like it. However, I'm sure that you not only know much about it but could also easily prove it. It is why I would never argue with you. This simple rule exists in almost every community. Do you often see n00bs arguing with expert players? Not really, because they quickly have their asses handed to them. How often do you see students arguing with professors? How about those professors arguing with Elton John about music? The thing is, if Elton John came here and talked about songwriting, he would have to argue with Wikipedia users. This is because respect does not apply in the Wikipedia community. They make up their rules and then delete what they don't like. There was an instant not so long ago when Eik Corell argued with a guy about Little Big Adventure (an old computer game). That guy was one of the best players in the world. When asked why he thought he had the right to argue with someone like that, Eik Corell responded he not only had Wikipedia policy on his side, but also finished that game, which he seemed to treat as an added bonus. How ridiculous is that? If I were you, I would simply give up. Eik Corell has like-minded friends among senior editors and will bring them here if he can't manage to solve the issue by himself. That's what happened the last time I had problems with him. You won't have that soundtrack on your article no matter what you do (my own opinion of course). The guy specialises in content deletion and doesn't do much else. OutOf Timer  Wanna chat?  05:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I Managed to get one guy to give up, Eik is a different kind of asshole he obviously has some Agenda that he wont admit. I'm going to contiue working on the article. I've noticed that they took the time to delete my additions before undoing my edit which tells me that my contributions are harmful to their argument. ill keep fighting until i get muscled out by some admin. Thank yo again for your words of advice. i honestly have no real interest in Wikipedia other than the Tony hawks pro skater articles and a couple of other extreme sport genre games. I have played and own every game in the series and i would imagine anyone who has played these games would agree with what im trying to accomplish Magicianbink (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Right, first off, countering some of what OutOfTimer says: For the love of someone up high, this again? Eik Corell (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * He/she's presumably had a pretty bad experience of wikipedia, so obviously his/her viewpoint is going to be slanted.
 * "Significant expertise" is not a licence to edit something blindly on wikipedia. I 100%'d Gran Turismo 2, San Andreas and GTA 4 (I assume that gives me significant expertise), but I don't claim to have more authority to edit than others based on this fact.
 * OutOfTimer implies that most (regular, I assume) editors delete things mostly - this is true, based on personal experience, I'd say 60-70% of all wikipedia contributions are unsourced, are vandalism, are poorly constructed or are simply not useful. The 60-70% I revert, the 30-40% I leave, because they're good edits.
 * Playing a game, again, is not a licence to edit blindly. I played a serious amount of Tony Hawk 2, 3 (I think), and a lot of Skate, but again, this doesn't mean I can edit those articles with impunity. While we're on the subject, three of my best friends were really into skating (though they've mostly given it up now).
 * Again, the argument about being having more knowledge does not mean their edits shouldn't be questions. If Elton John came on and edited something saying "I WROTE THIS SONG. HERE ARE THE LYRICS", he would get reverted.
 * As to your (Magicianbink) own contribution about, please remain civil, don't accuse other editors of having "agendas". Also, please don't turn wikipedia into a battleground - saying you'll keep going until an admin comes along.
 * Finally, "i would imagine anyone who has played these games would agree with what im trying to accomplish" - I think I've played all the Tony Hawk games at some point (apart from Underground 2, and Ride), but I don't agree with what you're doing. This is not about who wants what content and why they want it, this is about policy. If you think that the policy should be changed, you can bring it up at the wikiproject for videogames - if you're unsure how to do this, I can do it for you (if you like). Gimme a shout if you've any questions. Thanks! Fin©™ 22:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with pretty much everything Falcon9x5 said. That is except the point on Elton John. As for the link that Eik Corell kindly provided, I am not a party to this dispute. I was specifically asked to provide advice to a fellow editor and that's exactly what I did. I can link to your discussion with the famous player I talked about in my post above to refresh your memory. Does it look like I'm editing anything or engaging in a disruptive behaviour? You should actually thank me for telling that guy to stop reverting your changes. In addition, keep your god to yourself. OutOf Timer  Wanna chat?  10:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at the very beginning of my first post, you'll see I pointed out myself that what I say is only my personal point of view on Wikipedia environment. My opinion is indeed biased and I both realised that and tried to make it clear. My experience with Wikipedia was also rather bad. There may be various reasons for that but I believe the fact I come from a highly competitive environment is the main one.
 * I know Wikipedia policy. Perhaps not as good as a person with your experience but still good enough, I believe.
 * Agreed. Nothing to add.
 * This is what we mostly don't agree on but that's probably due to the difference in our backgrounds. Then again, I'm familiar with Wikipedia policy in this respect.
 * If Elton John came to Wikipedia and wrote something about songwriting or music theory, he would be reverted on the basis of WP:NOR. I'm sure you won't question this assumption. This is the very reason why I had a very bad experience with Wikipedia.
 * (The last two points don't concern me.)

ANI
You have been mentioned at ANI here. Eik Corell (talk) 02:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To Magicianbink. This is rather serious. Eik Corell did not manage to stop you by himself so he put you on the Administrators' Noticeboard. You have to respond to his claims in the right section at the bottom of the page. Try to do it in a polite and reasonable manner. In addition, it might be beneficial if you always remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes and set up your Profile Page (even "Hi, I'm Magicianbink" would be enough) because as for now the red link gives the impression that you don't care. Perhaps it might also be good to mention that there are numerous complaints of Eik Corell's excessive deletionism, which is prominent even on his talk page (e.g.: try searching "remove" with CTRL+F). Last but not least, when an Admin comes by to assess the situation, do what they ask you to do. Unfortunately, your standing in this argument isn't particularly favourable.  OutOf Timer   Wanna chat?  09:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you once again, i have defended myself hopefully a reasonable admin will do whats right. Magicianbink (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Happy
Thanks to you, too. I'm very happy you were able to solve your problem. I saw hope for it at the last moment when I realised the Admins didn't want to engage in it so I commented on the ANI page as well to add some weight to your stance. It wasn't even needed at that point, though. And that's good. I'm really happy for you. I really couldn't do more because if I ever start my rampages again, Admins will slap me. It's also nice to hear a complement but I don't think it was really deserved. I'm an old and bitter user, you know. ;-) I have friends who decided to focus on trolling and engaging in sockpuppetry on a massive scale after experiences like mine. They believe they're fighting for freedom now. LOL I have to admit frustrated former users in general inflict severe damage upon this project. I honestly hope people like Eik Corell will continue to fix that damage day and night because I won't. Not any more. I prefer to stay here as I am and edit those little articles from time to time. I was involved in an incident concerning Fullmetal Alchemist at the very beginning of my Wikipedia career and the rest is just history. I tend to be significantly more aggressive than most people, so I have a particularly hard time surviving here. Thanks again and be lucky. OutOf Timer   Wanna chat?  06:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

THPS Part II
Hello. Actually, I had another read of what the admin said, and I quote: "Otherwise I want to see a paragraph describing the soundtrack using commentry from reliable, third-party sources, naming a few example tracks.". What you've done is simply readd a list of songs with no source and no paragraph, which is why I reverted. Thanks! Fin©™ 21:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Em, you seem to have completely ignored this message (and therefore, the admin) - a list of songs is not ok. Add a paragraph with reliable sources and a few example tracks. Thanks! Fin©™ 08:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And also Magicianbink, according to the standards of WP:GAMECRUFT, lists in general (soundtrack, characters, weapons lists, etc.) should be avoided. nickin / conversation / contribution  22:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please stop re-adding the soundtrack lists when consensus is against them. You keep using "removal of content" in your edit summaries, but that's NOT an argument to keep something. If you keep this up, someone's gonna take this seriously enough to report you(again). Eik Corell (talk) 03:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

THUG soundtrack
Hip-Hop

* Aceyalone - Jayradical rools! * Anacron - "A Prototype" * Busdriver - "Imaginary Places" * Cannibal Ox - "Iron Galaxy" * * Dan the Automator - "A Better Tomorrow" (Thug Remix) (Original Not heard) * Deltron 3030 - "Positive Contact" * DJ Q-bert - "Cosmic Assassins" * Frog One - "Blah Blah" * J-Live - "Braggin' Writes Revisited" * Juggaknots - "The Circle Pt. 1" * Jurassic 5 (ft. Big Daddy Kane and Percee P) - "A Day at the Races" (THUG trailer song) * LA Symphony - "King Kong" * Mr. Dibbs - "Skin Therapy" * Mr. Lif - "Phantom" * MURS - "Transitions as a Ridah" * Nas - "The World Is Yours" * * People Under the Stairs - "The Next Step II" * Quasimoto - "Low Class Conspiracy" * R.A. The Rugged Man - "King of the Underground" * Supernatural - "Internationally Known" * The Herbaliser (feat. MF DOOM) - "It Ain't Nuttin'" * Wildchild - "Secondary Protocol" Magicianbink (talk) 10:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Punk Rock

* Alkaline Trio - "Armageddon" * Angry Amputees - "She Said" * * Assorted Jelly Beans - "Rebel Yell" * Authority Zero - "Everyday" * Bad Religion - "Big Bang" * Blue Collar Special - "Don't Wait" * Bracket - "2 Rak 005" * The Clash - "White Riot" * Dropkick Murphys - "Time to Go" * Electric Frankenstein - "Annie's Grave" * The Explosion - "No Revolution" * * Flamethrower - "I Want It All" * GBH - "Crush 'Em" * Hot Water Music - "Remedy" * Mike V. and the Rats - "The Days" * The Adicts - "Viva La Revolution" * The Browns - "American Werewolf in Calgary"* * The Midnight Evils - "Loaded and Lonely" * NOFX - "Separation of Church and Skate" * * Paint It Black - "Womb Envy" * * Refused - "New Noise" * Rise Against - "Like The Angel" (incorrectly noted as "Like the Angels") * Rubber City Rebels - "(I Wanna) Pierce My Brain" * Social Distortion - "Mommy's Little Monster" * * Stiff Little Fingers - "Suspect Device" * * Strike Anywhere - "Refusal" * Sublime - "Seed" * * Transplants - "California Babylon" *

Rock/Other

* Blind Iris - "Drive" * Camarosmith - "It's Alright" * Clutch - "Impetus" * Crash and Burn - "Crazy and Stupid" * Entombed - "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" * Five Horse Johnson - "Mississippi King   * Fu Manchu - "California Crossing"    * High on Fire - "Hung, Drawn and Quartered"    * In Flames - "Embody the Invisible"    * Jane's Addiction - "Suffer Some"    * Kiss - "God of Thunder"    * Kiss - "Lick It Up"    * Kiss - "Rock and Roll All Nite"    * Lamont - "Hotwire"    * Mastodon - "Crusher Destroyer"    * Nine Pound Hammer - "Run Fat Boy Run"    * Orange Goblin - " Your World Will Hate This" *    * Queens of the Stone Age - "Millionaire"    * Smoke Blow - "Circle of Fear"    * Solace - "Indolence"    * Stormtroopers of Death - "Milk"    * Superjoint Ritual - "It Takes No Guts"    * The Hellacopters - "(Gotta Get Some Action) Now!"    * The Hookers - "The Legend of Black Thunder"    * Unida - "Black Woman"

WP:STALK
Hi. Just per your comment here, please do not stalk other users, make personal attacks, turn Wikipedia into a battleground, and or be uncivil. Thanks! Fin©™ 18:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

So It's completely unlikely that i ran into that article on my own...? and didn't make a personal attack just pointed out the user's history also why are you commenting and not said user? Magicianbink (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I would consider you reading an article about a Russian-language game that was never released in english, then going on to the talk page, then reading the entire discussion, then commenting on a particular user's actions, all by chance to be rather "unlikely", yes. Your comments were obviously directed to be antagonistic towards EikCorell, regardless of what they were based on - as was your most recent comment. If a user (you in this case) is doing something that's straying towards breaking rules or policy, then I comment on it, regardless of whether the actions were directed towards me or not. Please do not be antagonistic. Thanks! Fin©™ 09:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but you should listen to your own advice. I think you need a hug :) Magicianbink (talk) 15:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit that you made to the page ATV Offroad Fury has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Please use the sandbox for testing any edits; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing for further information. Thank you. Ronk01  talk  03:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)