User talk:Magister Mathematicae/2005-07

Proposal 7
I noticed that you have weak support for CSD proposal 7 that you voted for. May i ask, why vote for it unless you have a strong support for it. If there is a provision that you think needs to be fixed, i would suggest voting against it until a more well worded variation of this is written. --ZeWrestler 19:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Because I don't see it particularly wrong, but I have no strong feelings about whether it's particularly wrong. However I don't want to vote agains since I think the essence is good, and then an opposition would count towards blocking it. drini &#9742; 05:24, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Rollback and godmode-light
Hiya, Drini, I noticed you use the godmode-light script. As you use an emulation of the rollback feature I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on a proposal I have which would grant the rollback feature to those who request it, similar to Requests for adminship, except with a lower threshold. The proposal is at Requests for rollback; your comments are welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Requests for rollback. Thanks! Talrias (t | e | c) 17:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't really have a comment on that, it's just a convenience. Although I lean towards the proposal, what good would it achievw that it cannot be already done? Besides, without blocking or protecting access, this could easily become ripe field for revert wars. drini &#9742; 17:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * In reply to your second point (that people with it could revert war), it would only be given out at the will of the community, so it would be unlikely that any determined revert warriors would get it (and if they did, the permission would be swiftly reverted). In reply to your first point (what does it offer which cannot already be done), yes, it can be emulated with javascript, so it would be better to just hand out the permission. Talrias (t | e | c) 18:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As I said, I'm fond of the proposal. Note however that "the will of the community" is a bit utopic, since only a very very small fraction of community participates actively in votes (see for instance, VfD pages). And since there would be literally hundreds of requests for this, do you think you'll get voters to keep interest in a long term? On the second point. Well, the script hasn't working for me for some time, but as I said, it was just a convenience. But I want to raise a third point: you contact people using the godmode-light script, since those are likely to support the proposal. Wouldn't it be fairer to contact users independently if they use the script or not? drini &#9742; 18:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * True, it is a bit utopic. One has to have faith, however. :) I'm not sure I understand your third point, sorry. Could you rephrase it? Talrias (t | e | c) 18:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As I understand, you drop me the note since you noticed I was using the godmode-light script. Do you only contact people using the script? (those are likely to support the proposal) or do you try to contact all users doing rcpatrol? Actually it's not truly a point, I was just being curious. drini &#9742; 18:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I've originally raised it on the mailing list, the administrators' noticeboard, and IRC, but someone mentioned the godmode-light script (which I used before I became an admin) today and I thought that other people who used it might find the proposal interesting. Talrias (t | e | c) 18:45, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Small discussion started concerning godmode light on my talk page. Looking for solutions for getting it operational.  &hellip; G u y M &hellip; (soapbox) 20:15, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

The bible
Firstly let me say that I am sorry to have to bother you.

Secondly, I wish to let you know that a recent VFD that you took part in has closed. The result was that 32 people voted to keep all individual bible verses as seperate articles, and 34 voted that they shouldn't (2 abstensions, and 3 votes for both). This is considered by standard policy not to be a consensus decision (although the closing admin stated that it was a consensus to keep them).

Thirdly, the subject has now been put to a survey, so that it may remain open until there is a clear consensus for what appears to be a difficult issue to resolve. You may wish to take part in this survey, and record a similar vote to the one you made at the VFD there. The survey is available at Bible verses.

18:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD step three
D'oh. I just forgot to do the last step. Thanks muchly for reminding me. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:11, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

About Costco VfD
Estimado Drini Pedro Sanchez:

Hemos recibido un recado tuyo con respecto a la edicion de los articulos sobre Costco. Actualmente existe un boycott internacional www.laneta.apc.org/procasino, www.frentecivico.org, www.maketiaa-crefethical.org. Hemos intentado incluir esta muy importante informacion, ya que tiene que ver con la defensa del estado de derecho en Mexico. Los derechos humaonos, el medio ambiente, etc. Sin embargo, existe un usuario, seguramente pagado por la empresa que insiste en ignorar la informacion que hemos agregado acerca de esa tienda. La informacion contiene la lista de 150 organizacions que opinan sobre la empresa. Solo queda editar despues de que ese usario modifica el contenido, continuamente, esperamos que no cause incoveniente en incluir la verdad completa en wikipedia. No solicitaremos, (por ahora) que se el prohiba participar en las ediciones.

Un cordial saludo, Frente Cvico (Citizens Coalition)


 * Previous unsigned comment by User:Frente Civico (drini &#9742; 17:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC))

Translation (by Drini)

Dear Drini Pedro Sanchez:

We have received a note from you about the editing of articles about Costco. Actually, there is an internatinal boycott www.laneta.apc.org/procasino, www.frentecivico.org, www.maketiaa-crefethical.org We have tried to include this very important information, since it has to do with the defense of the legal state in Mexico. Human rights, environment, etc. However, there is an user, surely paid by the company that insists on ignoring the information that we have added about the store. The information contained in the list of 150 organizations that have an opinion about the enterprise. It only remains to edit after this user modifies the content, continually, we hope it doens't cause an inconvenience about inncluding the truth in wikipedia. We don't solicit (for now) that he is forbidden about participating in the editing.

Friendly regards. Frente Civico.

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Comments. I'm not sure if you are referring to me for revereting your adittion of to such list, specificaly this revert. Although I consider the movement as important, I don't think that this was not the way of proceed. Firt, you're disrrupting wikipedia to make a point and about the accusation of being a paid employee from the company, I assure you that I don't have any kind of relationship with Costco. I only undid your changes since I considered they were substandard for the article. You start claiming Costco is an embarassment. Well, that's a subjective claim, and since you deleted many relevant information, I consider you're pushing a partial point of view, which is against WP:NPOV official wikipedia policy. But more important, all of your changes were for promotion of PROMOTION OF INTERNATIONAL BOYCOTT VS. COSTCO AND CCM as it was in your text. That goes agains other of wikipedia policies ( WP:NOT ) :
 * Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine
 * Wikipedia is not a soapbox, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Wikipedia articles are not:


 * Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views.

Besides that, the article was about the Costco about the company. However, the movement you mention is indeed a notable movement and it does deserve a place in Wikipedia, perhaps under International boycott to Costco or other similar entry. There are many ways to make the information available, you jsut have to do it in the right way. Finally, about the soliciting a prohibition about article editing, I ask you to tell me whom will you ask to enforce it so I can also explain my case (the most important always is fairness, no matter the opinions). Finally, you have a Userspace where you can post any kind of material and notices that you consider relevant: User:Frente Civico and User_talk:Frente Civico. drini &#9742; 17:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)