User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 21

Harrison, Arkansas
The Buffalo National River runs through Harrison. The park headquarters is in Harrison. Jacona (talk) 01:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. Buffalo National River does not flow through Harrison (Crooked Creek flow through Harrison).  See  and . Magnolia677 (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I really thought it was the Buffalo. I’m overwhelmed with real life I can’t do much on wp right now. Thanks.Jacona (talk) 00:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You do great edits and I hope you're back to full speed soon. Thanks for writing! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Stop your disruptive edits on talk pages
Please stop sending warning templates as first resort. This violates Wikipedia's policy on civility. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. FYI I do have a source for my edit. But then you could have simply pointed that out while being civil as Wikipedia prescribes instead of resorting first to become a hostile aggressive edit warrior. --Loginnigol (talk) 21:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I gave you a level 3 warning because User:NinjaRobotPirate gave you a level 2 last month for the same reason. Adding unsourced content undermines Wikipedia as a source for its readers, so it is very important you include a reliable source with each edit.  To that end, thank you for adding a source to Garbiñe Muguruza.  If you get a moment, would you mind fixing the grammatical and spelling errors in your edit? ("during the offseason, Muguruza spend time climbing").  Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

TCF Center Edits
Thanks for bringing my edit error to my attention Magnolia677. I've tried again and think that I've corrected the incorrect information on the page: SMG was the name of the management company for TCF Center until October of 2019, when the name of the company became ASM Global.

It is true that I work for TCF Center, but assure you that this edit is no conflict of interest, only a contribution to the accuracy of the information on the page. My skill level may be low, but my intentions are honest.

Thanks again for your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryKlida (talk • contribs) 20:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Au contraire, you have been involved in edit wars on behalf of your employer. Please follow the instructions I left on your talk page regarding your conflict of interest.  Thank you for your cooperation. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is 187Ernest. Guy Macon (talk) 08:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Kipling, Saskatchewan
I was directed to this page for communicating, but I'm sure I'm not using this correctly. I don't see any place where I can address questions to Magnolia677. I think the concept of Wikipedia is very good, but I'm beginning to see that as an ordinary user, I should probably avoid making any additions or corrections. This makes me rather sad, as I'm a language instructor and a history researcher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denverprice (talk • contribs) 04:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for contacting me. Wikipedia absolutely needs great editors, and your research skills would be a huge asset.  My issue with your edits to Kipling, Saskatchewan is that it appeared to be original research.  Are you able to find a source to support the edit?  I left a message on your talk page with links to help you identify and format reliable sources.  As well, Help:Referencing for beginners may help.  Feel free to message me if you need help. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

ZooTampa edit
Not sure why you keep removing info from the ZooTampa at Lowry Park article. The only change I see is that you removed the date that the zoo reopened after a renovation, but that date is mentioned in this source that's already at the end of that paragraph. Am I missing something? Zeng8r (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. I've been chasing and reverting a change-the-date vandal for an hour, so I'm probably wrong and you're probably right. I double-checked the edit you and I reverted and couldn't find a source to support it, but I'm bug-eyed to be honest. Have a look at the vandal's edit history.  All vandalism to zoo articles, changing dates.  Please revert if you're sure the exact date is sourced.  Thanks for your understanding!  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Minor detail vandals are indeed the worst. In this case, however, I doublechecked the source and the date is correct. Thanks for explaining, and good luck in your quest.... Zeng8r (talk) 00:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Greenbelt (Ottawa)
To address your critique of my addition on the Greenbelt Ottawa Wiki page, the acknowledgement of Algonquin territory is not biased, but just simply stating a fact of who the land belong to originally. To say that the land is formally occupied by France but not acknowledge the original Indigenous occupiers as well would be adding bias towards the colonizers, and contradicting your last statement that land acknowledgement is bias. If I were to add that the French occupied it, I must add as well who they colonized. As for the reference to the map, it is proof that Ottawa falls within Algonquin territory. I will be adding my statement back in and it would be appreciated if you did not delete it. Saraentwistle (talk) 00:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Greenbelt (Ottawa)
To address your critique of my addition on the Greenbelt Ottawa Wiki page, the acknowledgement of Algonquin territory is not biased, but just simply stating a fact of who the land belong to originally. To say that the land is formally occupied by France but not acknowledge the original Indigenous occupiers as well would be adding bias towards the colonizers, and contradicting your last statement that land acknowledgement is bias. If I were to add that the French occupied it, I must add as well who they colonized. As for the reference to the map, it is proof that Ottawa falls within Algonquin territory. I will be adding my statement back in and it would be appreciated if you did not delete it. Saraentwistle (talk) 00:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ottawa's Greenbelt was founded in the 1950s. The fact that it was constructed on former Indian land, or former French land, or Fred Smith's junkyard, is out-of-scope of this article.  This article isn't about the history of Canada, it's about the Ottawa's Greenbelt, so I disagree that "It should be acknowledged that the Greenbelt is situated on traditional Algonquin First Nations territory", as you wrote. WP:GEVAL states that "While it is important to account for all significant viewpoints on any topic, Wikipedia policy does not state or imply that every minority view or extraordinary claim needs to be presented along with commonly accepted mainstream scholarship as if they were of equal validity."  In other words, spamming a thousand Wikipedia articles with the statement "this used to be Indian land", and sourcing it with a map of Canada, is out-of-scope and unencyclopedic.  If you disagree, please start a discussion on the article's talk page. and read WP:NOTSOAPBOX while you're at it.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Hattiesburg Zoo
Hi Magnolia677, shortly after Jm198849 added a specific date (April 9) when the Zoo opened, I came across the edit last November and almost reverted. Although the editor has now been blocked indefinitely, Jm198849 was, in fact, correct in regard to that date. The Zoo opened on Easter Sunday 1950 (About the Zoo), and in 1950, Easter Sunday fell on April 9 (Easter 1950). But you were correct, there was no reliable source referencing that date. Regards. Woodlot (talk) 14:58, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Bald Knob, Arkansas
The vandals got you on this one, lol! Jacona (talk) 18:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I deleted it as unsourced, then figured it out. Too funny! Magnolia677 (talk) 19:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!
Hi Magnolia677!

I just happened to be looking at the Oak Ridge Wikipedia page, and I noticed that the names of the mayor and other officials had not been updated since the municipal elections in November, which I only realized because I work at a local community newspaper. So I fixed those and then (just for laughs) took a look at the Summerfield page, and the officials' names weren't even there. When I went to update them, I saw in the HTML that the mayor's name was listed as Mark Brown, which is at least two mayors out of date (Gail Dunham was the mayor before BJ Barnes was elected in November 2019), and fixing that was a bit more challenging because there were no council members listed, so I had to add them in.

There wasn't a reference in the Oak Ridge officials list, so it didn't occur to me to add it in there or for Summerfield. Most of the reference pages seem to give instructions for adding references to body copy content, but I managed to get a reference to the official Summerfield town website after the last council member's name.

I may go on and update Stokesdale's leaders as well, but I don't intend to do a lot of editing -- I just saw something that I knew was not current and couldn't let it go.

WikiKitty (talk) 23:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC) WikiKitty
 * Thanks for writing, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Have a peek at Help:Referencing for beginners, because good referencing can get tricky, but it's very important.  Feel free to ask for help if you need it. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced content
Greetings and thanks for your contributions. I am curious why you would delete content with a source that you felt was not clear as you did at De Soto, Mississippi. The sentence identified Desoto as one of four antebellum towns all on the river and/or along the railway. Even if the source didn't specify whether Desoto was one or both it did state the facts as I put them in the article. There is a tag for clarify but even when not clarified the statement provides information and context on Desoto ie:it is either on the river, the railway or both a relevant if not entirely concrete fact. It is not uncommon to have a statement such as Desoto is one of the Mississippi towns that grew along the waterways and railways of the state. This would be a valid statement if Desoto was on one or both.

My main concern is the deletion of a source that has content on the subject of the article. Questioned facts should be subjected to at least a cursory attempt at verification. Deleting relevant reliable sources is not in keeping with P&G. You've been around a while so you may have answers to these points I haven't thought of pointers to the appropriate policy would be appreciated. Best. MrBill3 (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for writing. Ever had someone break up with you, and then you make the mistake of calling them to ask "hey, why did you break up with me"?  That's kind of how I feel, having to give a reason for my edit.  Let's just move on, knowing that the edit is fixed (in fact, you've now made if better than it was!), and that awkward "and/or" is gone.  Can we just leave it at that? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Peace out.MrBill3 (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Pasadena Playhouse
Hello Magnolia677 - I was doing research on the Pasadena Playhouse, specifically the original "18 Actors" ensemble group that played there. Both my parents were in that group. I noticed other members listed (e.g. Morrie Ankrum, Victor Jory, Dana Andrews, etc. all friends of my parents) but not my parents:  Don Porter and Peggy Converse (her stage name). My name is Don porter, Jr. They played at the Playhouse in the 40's and 50's and I have some wonderful memories of that time .... I was 6 yrs old or so when my Father was "arrested" on stage and I jumped from my seat in the audience and ran to the stage yelling, "You can't do that to my Daddy!" So, Magnolia677, I don't know how else to verify these changes I want to make but I would like to have their names listed. Perhaps you could help? Many thanks! Don Porter, Jr. user name: DONCEPO DONCEPO (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for writing. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not accept original research.  The theater has a Facebook page, perhaps you could add your information there.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for correcting me. May I know what is count as a reliable source? Thank You

Hoho302 (talk) 21:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC) 
 * The source you used was ok. You just wrote a bunch of stuff that wasn't mentioned in the source.  I fixed it.  Cheers, and thank you for the cute kitten. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:57, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Jacqueline Novak Page
Hello Magnolia677. I saw that you reverted to the previous Jacqueline Novak page because you said it need the new write up needed citations. I am not sure what more can be provided. There were plenty of media references listed. I believe this may have been reverted in error. She has a new show that is currently touring the country, and has been on TV a lot recently, and her page needs updating. Please let me know what needs to happen to get it reverted back to the more complete write up that I did. Thank you. ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123BigCheese (talk • contribs) 20:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You had whole paragraphs without sources, and then added a bunch of external links. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners while will help with inline citations.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Sudbury Massachusetts
Wikiproject Massachusetts is trying to add that bar at the bottom of all municipalities in the Commonwealth. Yes, it doesn't include Sudbury because it is intended to provide quick links to general Massachusetts topics. If you see the Middlesex County banner, yes, Sudbury is there, but this bar is for general Massachusetts links. I just joined the project and adding that link was mentioned in my first email. I therefore am undoing your edit to help the team add it to all municipalities. Thanks!Hhfjbaker (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You were correct, per WP:NAVBOX. My apology. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Hhfjbaker (talk) 12:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Notable Indiana places getting deleted
Some articles of notable places in Indiana that I have created are being sent to AFD again by the user Reywas92. I need some desperate assistance in looking for more sources. I believe this user does not understand the concept of WP:GEOLAND and is deliberately removing them despite the fact that they exist. Evking22 (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh I am very well aware of how GEOLAND works: merely being listed in the GNIS is NOT sufficient for notability and NOT proof it's even a community. The GNIS even has all the industrial railroad spurs at Articles for deletion/Susie, Washington classified as populated places, but that doesn't actually mean they're populated places, much less notable ones! Why didn't you find more sources before creating these articles with incorrect information?? Reywas92Talk 02:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * While that may be so, it may be the case in different states. The articles I've created aren't "incorrect information" like you claim, since I'm not the one that's responsible for such incorrect claims. Also, the Topo maps of Indiana were made way before the GNIS started gathering data on places in that state. Evking22 (talk) 03:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Several editors have spent countless hours creating wonderful stub geographic articles, including User:Coal town guy (once "Editor of the Week"); User:TheCatalyst31; User:Onel5969 (see Black Bear Spring, Arizona); User:Fixer88; and others. I recently saw two stubs I created, Wild Crossing, California and Tunnel Inn, California, deleted by AfD, and I was intentionally NOT notified of the AfD. Not sure what the answer is. User:Reywas92 and others who support deletion have a point: GNIS appears overly generous in what it considers a "populated place", and many of its populated places really do look like whistle stops. This may need to go to an RfC, or a proposed change to WP:GEOLAND, but that would be a tough sell.  I personally feel if the US government calls it a place, and it's on a map, it deserves an article, regardless if no reliable source can be found to support anyone ever living there. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm also confused about Tremont, Fishers, Indiana, sourced by GNIS and a real estate website. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you said Brent Woods, Indiana, et al. were notable despite being little subdivisions/neighborhoods/housing developments with non-trivial sources explicitly required by GEOLAND2. You found a bunch of pages that used data imported from GNIS or whatever but not a single one was remotely significant coverage. Yeah, here's my own non-notable subdivision that should also be deleted, sue me. I recognize that a couple other of those I nominated may be former places that once had a post office or something warranting notability – I've gone through far too many topo maps, gazetteers, place name books, and newspaper archives now with all this mass-production.
 * We absolutely need a change to GEOLAND if like those prior cases, the expansive and often incorrect GNIS (and sites that mirror it) is interpreted as legal recognition and if what is spelled out in point 2 is not considered under the requirements of point 2. How is Black Bear Spring, Arizona a "wonderful stub article"? It's blatantly wrong, there's no evidence of a community there, because of course the National Gazetteer properly classifies it as a spring. Should we restore Susie, Washington with the disregard for WP:V in the last statement? There's a bit of circular logic there, since the GNIS is a database of names that have been on maps, and maps then use the GNIS for labels, even if the classification was made in error. Reywas92Talk 19:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The "We" aint me. I have been to the places I document. I have worked with GNIS to add places to the map. WHY should GEOLAND be in any way different from the same standards used at GNIS? IF you have a truly better idea, that's great, I support that. However as has been the case in countless discussions, the onus of proof is on you, not the entire community.. Coal town guy  (talk)   14:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Magnolia677 points out a flaw in AfD, which I know has been discussed but never resolved. It is simply wrong to take an article to AfD without notifying the article creator. It's downright evil, and IMO should be considered incivility. Jacona (talk) 14:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Magnolia677 points out a flaw in AfD, which I know has been discussed but never resolved. It is simply wrong to take an article to AfD without notifying the article creator. It's downright evil, and IMO should be considered incivility. Jacona (talk) 14:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Is it personal?
You are looking to delete several of my Wikipedia pages that I spent a lot of time and effort creating. I do this for the joy of covering the accomplishments of my fellow alumnus at Fairfield University. If you chose to move forward with these actions I will delete my Wikipedia User account and never return. Nothing is more frustrating than one's passion and work being indiscriminately deleted because it doesn't meet the standards of a few.Stagophile (talk) 03:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

revert?
Any reason to revert this edit by me, it seems relatively uncontroversial to me? --hroest 18:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. Did you read my edit summary? Magnolia677 (talk) 18:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the linked discussion also states that rankings from well regarded outlets like the Economist may be used. --hroest
 * My interpretation of this consensus does not lead me to that conclusion. Why not start a discussion on the talk page?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I have put my proposal there. Let me know what you think. --hroest 21:56, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

who are you
why did you send me some message — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.32.211 (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

McGill University lead being discussed


Please see Talk:McGill University, where another editor is trying to get a discussion started. I am letting you know because I looked around for any experienced editors who had made any changes in the article so far in 2020. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Comical Turn, Idaho for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Comical Turn, Idaho is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Comical Turn, Idaho until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Reywas92Talk 23:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Deleted image in San Antonio
This image is also a picture of the River Walk which contains a totally different view of the Tower of the Americas. It isn't JUST a picture of the Tower. Maybe I missed but I saw no other picture of the river walk. Wiki name (talk) 00:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I was just doing some cleanup. If you feel the picture is unique please add it back.  Thanks for writing. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:14, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding Wiki name (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
lol

Nomination of Parks Place, Mississippi for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Parks Place, Mississippi is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Parks Place, Mississippi until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Reywas92Talk 20:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Giveout, Idaho for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Giveout, Idaho is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Giveout, Idaho until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mangoe (talk) 22:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)