User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 24

London, Ontario (unwarranted reversion)
by 216.240.6.210 (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC) WRT: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=London,_Ontario&diff=990648122&oldid=990542961

Relevant Background
The Veterans Memorial Parkway was originally constructed as a 2-lane undivided road with level intersections, extending from the 401 to Oxford Street. Since it's construction, it has been widened to a 4-lane divided highway between the 401 and Dundas Street and select other sections, mainly at major intersections, but it nevertheless remains accessible via routine, stop-sign and stop-light governed, plain, level intersections everywhere except at the 401 expressway. It was extended northwards to Huron Street in the late 90's and southwards to Wilton Grove Road a few years ago. Most recently, i.e. in the past year, it has, as I pointed out, been extended further north and west to merge with Clarke Road (as it ponderously meanders its way slowly around the City's periphery a decade or so at a time). I have linked the specific WP article on the highway for context, but do note, in the midst of your unbridled pedantic fervour, that it makes quite a number of (dare I say, "UNSOURCED"?!) unsubstantiated claims, and it inexplicably insists on referring to the highway as an expressway, despite the fact that it is neither access-restricted nor speed-enhanced anywhere along its course. It has been, and remains, a plain old 4-lane divided highway along most of it's route, no more, no less.

The original intention for "Highway 100" (its original designation) was for it to be the first leg of a desperately needed municipal expressway / ring-road. This is why the decision to capitulate to special interests and shorten the road to merely connecting Oxford Street to the 401, and to also replace proposed interchanges with regular intersections (ostensibly to save money) has been criticised ever since it was made.

The ultimate fact is that City Council doesn't have the mandate, nor political will to try and convert the VMP to a limited-access highway, now, or for the foreseeable future -- In the intervening decades, since the road was built, the City has repeatedly allowed industrial development to encroach onto the land that would be needed to construct proper highway interchanges at most locations, a fact that makes the now-tremendous cost and significant disruption of such a conversion more than enough of a poisoned-pill, all by itself, to keep the politicians at bay. Still, even just honestly admitting this fact "out loud" remains a politically uncomfortable course of action here, so, every now and then, when/if pressure on this front mounts, they undertake some meaningless, token measure that can be portrayed as implying that they're still considering it, only to then carry on doing nothing at all (in this specific regard!) afterwards. It's literally all politics, and, given that the article's comment referencing the last "study" has been here for a while, I felt that it bore updating while also taking the time to point out that nothing has been, or is currently being, done about it (as opposed to the hanging, inferred, but incorrect suggestion that they might be on the cusp of doing something, that the current text has been imparting to readers for years).

Rejected Update #1 as "Unsourced":
Original: "Some Londoners have expressed concern the absence of a local freeway may hinder London's economic and population growth, while others have voiced concern such a freeway would destroy environmentally sensitive areas..."

Reverted from: "Some Londoners have expressed concern that the absence of a local freeway may hinder London's economic and population growth, while others have voiced concern that such a freeway would destroy environmentally sensitive areas..."

The latter, merely by the addition of the word "that" (2x), obviously makes the text clearer and more easily read. How exactly do you suggest that I source that?! 🤔🤨

Rejected Update #2 as "Unsourced":
Original: "Road capacity improvements have been made to Veterans Memorial Parkway (formerly named Airport Road and Highway 100) in the industrialized east end."

Reverted from: "Road capacity improvements have been made to Veterans Memorial Parkway (formerly named Airport Road and Highway 100) in the industrialized east end which has now been extended as far North as the junction with Clarke Road near the entrance to Fanshawe Park."

Again, what source do you require for this?! Here's an effing map ffs, is that good enough?! --> https://goo.gl/maps/NKpQvKsmvu2qb9R38

While the construction in question has only just been completed, with the extension only being opened to traffic within the past ~90 days, I can nevertheless positively affirm that it absolutely does exist (I've even driven on it! -- just to be sure! 🙄) and that it represents the only ongoing action that the City has taken recently with regard to modifying / upgrading this road. I mean, obviously Google already knows about it!

All I did here was undergird the opening statement's existing claim that "Road capacity improvements have been made to Veterans Memorial Parkway..." by illustrating the extent to which it has most-recently been "improved". Do you genuinely expect that ALL clauses which may refer to such easily-verifiable, and basic, geographic information, like road construction must nevertheless provide detailed, granular, anal-retentive, substantiation just to be allowed? Do you also therefore need to see the City's Purchase Orders for the work performed in order to accept it? ...what about all of the invoices and receipts too?

Just how deep does your rampant-uncontrolled-OCD rabbit-hole go?! 🙄🤔

In any case, if doing so would satisfy your unbelievably monumental pedantry, I can, at least, add a footnote to the page that points to the bloody map, and shows that the road does indeed exist and that it goes where I said it does! I mean, it's not like you could have easily confirmed this yourself in about 60 seconds, but I'll address that in my conclusion.

Rejected Update #3(a) as "Unsourced":
Original Accepted Text: "However, the Parkway has received criticism for not being built as a proper highway;"

Rejected Replacement: "The Parkway has received criticism throughout its history for not being built as a true, limited-access highway..."'

These two sentences present the same information, the latter only more accurately! I've already addressed both the historicity of the "criticism" mentioned here, and why, in the context of this conversation, about this road in particular, "true, limited-access" and "proper" are synonymous. All of which makes this clause merely two ways of conveying the SAME THING! I simply changed the text so that it both more accurately reports the dynamics in play and fits more comfortably with the information that I added at the end; to wit:

Rejected Update #3(b) as "Unsourced":
Original Text: "...a recent city-run study suggested upgrading it by replacing the intersections with interchanges."

Rejected Replacement: "...in spite of a recent city-run study which suggested upgrading it by replacing intersections with interchanges, no action to effect that outcome has yet come under active consideration"

So, literally, the only new information here is my mentioning that, despite the aforementioned study, the City hasn't done anything further with regard to actually converting this road to a limited-access highway. So how exactly do you suggest that I "source" City Council NOT doing something? Should I enter the minutes of every Council meeting taken in the past dozen+ years, just so you can assiduously verify that they're not doing something? How do you prove negative arguments? Do you actually believe that articles are being routinely written which document all of the things that City governments AREN'T doing!? Cripes, isn't the very obvious fact that thirteen years have passed since this "recent study" was published and that literally nothing has been done to advance, let alone effect, such a conversion, proof enough that nothing has been "under active consideration"!? 🤔🤨

Please take note that the linked source for the so-called "recent, city-run study" is a PDF FROM 2007!!!!!! In the subsequent thirteen years, literally the only thing that the city has done with regard to "Road capacity improvements" are the two short extensions: south to Wilton Grove Road (completed several years ago) and, completed just this year, the northern extension to merge with Clarke Road that I referenced (and which you then subsequently, and inexplicably, reverted for apparently wholly vacuous, and epistemically indefensible reasons). Let me say again, IN THE THIRTEEN YEARS SINCE THAT "RECENT STUDY" ON CONVERTING INTERSECTIONS TO INTERCHANGES WAS PUBLISHED, LITERALLY NO INTERSECTIONS ON THIS ROAD HAVE BEEN SO-CONVERTED and there aren't, currently, ANY plans on Council's agenda to do so! So, aside from the very, VERY obvious fact that, you know, nothing has been done!, exactly what additional "sourcing" do you require to sufficiently substantiate that "no action to effect that outcome has yet come under active consideration" such that that obvious FACT can be added to the article?!

Conclusion
Seriously, I have to ask again, what your actual motivation/objection here was, because, as I've shown above, your rote, and demonstrably dishonest, pro forma "(non)explanation" that ALL of these changes were disallowed solely and strictly by virtue of their being "unsourced" is, as I've now shown, either wholly inapplicable or epistemologically indefensible! Please, either MEANINGFULLY, COHERENTLY AND SUBSTANTIVELY DEFEND THESE ACTIONS or own up to the very plainly obvious cognitive and intellectual error(s) and Undo them! -- Amongst other things, you're supposed to be an Editor of an online publication! Perhaps, in retrospect, some significant personal introspection and meaningful research is warranted, into what the responsibilities and duties, in a publishing context, of an actual Editor are because you utterly and miserably failed at virtually all of them here... 🤔🤨

User making misleading and unsourced edits
Hi Magnolia, I'm a frequent user of Wikipedia and less commonly a contributor. I am currently doing a research article on Southern African history and recently came across several edits by the user Mcebisi Ndebele Ka Jesu (talk). This user has made several editorialized misleading and unsourced edits to articles concerning the country of Zimbabwe, particularly the Zimbabwe article, which many readers use as a source of vital information on that country. This user seems highly intent on either promoting a biased separatist, revisionist version of history or their own political party/agenda on Wikipedia which has the potential of misleading unsuspecting users. They have also been warned repeatedly about this kind of activity. I tried to undo some of their edits but as a 'Barnstar Defender' you might be better placed to look into this further, as this users edits go months back. Thanks for all that you to keep Wikipedia a great place! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.232.213 (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. I've also had some issues with this editor.  I'm short on time and will have a look when I can.  You may want to message some of the admin who have blocked the editor.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

CSA Group Updates
I do work for CSA Group as an employee. I have been with this organization for 12 + years. I don’t have an undisclosed financial stake in the organization, just making sure the information about our great “not-for Profit” organization is correct. The current page that describes our company is outdated, we simply wanted to update the information that has been up on Wikipedia. If you looked further into our organization, we are a not-for profit standards development organization and product safety lab. We are in the business of keeping the world safe. Please reconsider the updates. Magnolia677 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdvickers (talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. Your edits were helpful and definitely made in good faith, but editing your employer's Wiki page is a big no no, and sometimes backfires.  It would be like me editing an article on Ferrari test drivers or the Mega Society...just be a big COI.  Best to follow the instructions I left on your talk page and suggest changes on the article's talk page.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
I wasn’t quite sure which section to have added the material about the police union in the Shooting of Jacob Blake. Your move was much better, thank you for doing that! - Chris.sherlock (talk) 10:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks! Keeping up with this article has been like running a marathon.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Toronto City Council
Hi. At Toronto City Council you objected to my adding this: "By 1891, there were 13 wards, with three aldermen elected per ward: St. Alban's, St. Andrew's, St. David's, St. George's, St. James's, St. John's, St. Lawrence's, St. Mark's, St. Matthew's, St. Patrick's, St. Paul's, St. Stephen's, and St. Thomas's."

I did not add any new information. It's literally a summary of the rest of other parts of that section:


 * St. Andrew's (named for Saint Andrew)- bounded by Dufferin, King, Queen, and Yonge Streets – St. Andrew's Church (Toronto) is located within the ward
 * St. David's (named for Saint David) – bounded by Ontario, Don Mills Road (now Broadview Ave), Bloor and Queen
 * St. George's (named for Saint George) – bounded by King, Yonge, Dufferin Streets and lakefront
 * St. Lawrence's (named for Lawrence of Rome) – bounded by Queen, Yonge, lakefront, McGee
 * St. Patrick's (named for Saint Patrick) – bounded by Bloor, Bathurst, Queen and College Streets (now part of Trinity-Spadina) – St. Patrick's Church is located within this ward
 * St. John's (either for John the Apostle or John the Baptist) – bounded by Yonge, University, Bloor and Queen
 * St. Stephen's (named for Saint Stephen) – bounded by Bathurst, Bloor, Queen and Dufferin Streets
 * St. Thomas's (named for Thomas the Apostle) – bounded by Jarvis, Ontario, Bloor, Queen Streets
 * St. James's (named for James, son of Zebedee) – bounded by Yonge, Jarvis, King and Bloor – Cathedral Church of St. James is located within the ward


 * When Yorkville was annexed in 1883, it became St. Paul's Ward (named for Paul the Apostle or Saint Paul). When Riverdale was annexed in 1884, it became St. Matthew's Ward (named for Matthew the Apostle or Saint Matthew). Brockton was also annexed in 1884, and it became the ward of St. Mark's (named for Mark the Evangelist or Saint Mark). When Parkdale was annexed in 1889, it became St. Alban's Ward (named for Saint Alban).

The 9 wards are listed first and the paragraph above listed an additional four. I simply added an additional sentence for clarity. Sowny (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for writing. Because you did not leave an edit summary, your edit looked liked just more unsourced content. You also mention "with three aldermen elected per ward". What is your source for this?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's actually from an 1891 Globe article I was looking at. Sorry, I thought that was already in the Wikipedia article somewhere. I'll add in a citation later today. BTW, I found a site that has an old Ward map that would fit nicely into the article. Do you know how I would be able to add it? It's here: http://www.daveobee.com/resources/toronto1889.html Sowny (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The map looks like it was created by the author of the webpage, so it is copyrighted. If you are able to find an original I will show you how to upload it.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:28, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Lake Oswego racism
Why do you feel that it's not appropriate for lede? The lede should adequately summarize what's in the article; and the city is receiving significant press attention for the very thing that is under controversy and given this, I feel a sentence in the lead showing racist nature of this city is reasonably balanced. https://pamplinmedia.com/lor/108-education/467711-378701-behind-the-documentary-lake-no-negro https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/portland-apartment-tenant-says-landlord-is-trying-to-remove-black-lives-matter-signs/ Graywalls (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. The town's racist nickname is listed in the article along with all the other nicknames.  Adding this one particular nickname to the lead seems WP:UNDUE.  The best way to get input is to start a discussion on the talk page.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive edits and edit warring
Hello. On my page, you accused me of posting disruptive edits and edit warring on Virginia Minnesota's page. I am honestly confused by your hostility. This is literally my area of expertise, as I stated when making the edits, whereas those questing the information do not appear to have solid grounds for the claims. For example, you said, "Neither of these sources seems reliable." I don't know what you are basing your claim on, but as a criminologist, I chose to provide the secondary rather than primary sources because they are more legible to the public compared to the raw data they analyze. The government specifically produces crime statistics for third parties to analyze. Linking to spreadsheets full of codes and numbers would not be useful for readers, and those who are interested in the source data can find it on the methodology page of the secondary sources. I have explained my edits each time I made them, and I would be glad to talk about how to include the public safety information in the most effective way possible.

Zsick (talk) 16:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. May I ask, will you expect to receive any compensation for your edits to Virginia, Minnesota?  Do you have a personal connection to this article?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't know it was possible to receive compensation for edits, and I'm not sure what you mean by "personal connection." In any case, you are the one taking down accurate information, so can I ask whether you are being compensated in any way, or have some personal connection that you haven't disclosed? You appear to be an experienced editor, but I have struggled to understand your motives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zsick (talk • contribs) 16:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Four other editors besides myself, User:North114, User:Reedlander, User:Donner60, and User:173.21.172.232, have reverted your edit. You also said in more than one edit summary that Virginia, Minnesota is your "hometown".  Now you are saying you are a "criminologist".  What is your connection to this place, and will you expect to receive any compensation for your edits?  Magnolia677 (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Truth is not a popularity contest. I have provided sources for the information I contributed. Your personal questions and attacks are inappropriate and violate Wikipedia's policy on dispute resolution. Please let me know if you would like to talk about the content. Zsick (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All but one of your edits in the past two years have been to Virginia, Minnesota, where you add the same information to the lead section about how dangerous this place is. This does not seem appropriate, per MOS:LEAD.  And because you are a single-purpose account, I am concerned that your edits transgress Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee  ruling that: "Single purpose accounts and editors who hold a strong personal viewpoint on a particular topic covered within Wikipedia are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their focus on one topic is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project".   This is why I'm wondering if you are editing this way because you have a conflict of interest. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, if you have specific concerns about the content, please state them. I do not wish to engage in a personal dispute with you, and I do not have to explain why I am posting accurate and appropriately sourced information. I have justified and supported my content. Please refrain from personal attacks.

Zsick (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've replied at WP:ANI, but I messed the ping up. This is a courtesy post to let you know. Mjroots (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

New section
TennesseeHistoryBuff (talk)Not exactly sure how to use the Talk pages yet. You removed by additions. The citations are in the Central High Yearbook of 1943.
 * Thank you for writing. Primary sources like high school yearbooks are not the best, as typically they list a photo and a name, with nothing to confirm it is the person you think it may be.  Sites like find-a-grave and genealogy sites use user generated content, and are not reliable sources, per WP:UGC.  If someone is notable, there will likely be much published about them in reliable secondary sources.  I hope this helps. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

TennesseeHistoryBuff (talk) TennesseeHistoryBuff

About the Disruptive Editing
Good day, you have told me that I have been posting disruptive edits on the Jeepney page, I do not have the sources to those words but they are pretty much self-explained sentences. I do have the source that inspired me to edit the page. If you could just let me add the reference and undo the whole thing. Please don't think the whole section was a lie, those were just poor explanations by me. https://www.autoindustriya.com/features/the-auv-in-the-service-of-the-filipino.html

Yes, after the Dodge Dart edit made me seem all unbelievable due to messing up pages, please do not think the fact that I am full of lies that and reverting edits that I have somehow worked for. Yes, I will admit that I have made a mistake as I wasn't reading that much. If I couldn't do it, Can you? please? https://www.allpar.com/history/chrysler-years/1966.php https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/musclecarsphfr/local-muscle-t765.html#.U7msX7Hly2d

Wikipedia does not acknowledge forums as reliable sources, but here is the evidence that they were made there somehow.

For the Asia section on the Dodge page, those were pretty much self-explained, again, but they were deeply researched for about who distributed Dodges in that country. If you could let me add the distributor's name, hopefully we can add it. Here are the evidences: http://myk384.blogspot.com/2014/08/used-car-review-dodge-durango-2000-2004.html http://myk384.blogspot.com/2012/09/used-car-of-week-dodge-durango-2005-2009.html http://myk384.blogspot.com/2014/03/car-profiles-dodge-caravan-1998-2002.html

The Toyota Alphard, in my opinion, does not explanation, the Alphard was pretty much the highest in it's line-up just below it is the Toyota Previa. Though there are not any articles to show this, those were just pretty much self-explained

Due to these events, I have now been deemed untrustworthy but hopefully you can change your point of view and think that I am not vandalizing pages. But please don't blame, but we all humans make mistakes at some point, but please do.

I really apologize for the mistakes that made Wiki pages ruined.


 * To the above editor: you didn't take the time to sign your message, which you do by typing 4 tildes at the end. If the only sources you can find are blogs, you do not have any basis to change the article, so don't. Encyclopedia articles are entirely paraphrased from reliable sources, and blogs are not reliable sources. John from Idegon (talk) 18:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

A removal you made
Curious as to why Wesley Jansen was removed from Whittier notable people? He is an actor. Referenced IMDB. Also located in other portions of Wikipedia and google. D8675309E (talk) 15:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The requirements to be in a notable persons list is as follows: either a Wikipedia biography article or proof in a single reliable source that proves the person meets either WP:GNG or an WP:SNG; and a reliable source that proves his connection to the subject of the article containing the list. IMDB is not a reliable source. Please read all the links contained in this message,, plus WP:NLIST. If after reading the links, you are still confused, please enquire at WP:TEA, a Q&A forum just for new new editors. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 17:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeededo. John, nice to see you back!  This is funny. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Concord as "Congkid"
Why do you remove this? I was born there. Have heard it pronounced that way numerous times in my 60 years. I have seen it posted at North Station like that at least four times.Hhfjbaker (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not accept original research. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Hhfjbaker (talk) 17:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed North Station anecdote, cited web ref on "kid" for second syllable.Hhfjbaker (talk) 17:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Galveston Edit
When you reverted my second image on Galveston. Did you notice it's different from the first one. This one is closer in and removes the panoramic view which you didn't like before. If you still feel it's inappropriate, okay. Just want to be sure you saw the difference. Wiki name (talk) 17:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A revert should return the article to a previous version, per H:RV, so I just assumed you added the same picture back. Also, when you revert you are expected to leave an edit summary which will "succinctly explain why the change you are reverting was a bad idea or why reverting it is a better idea".  I missed that too. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

My addition to the Stratford Ontario page
Can you explain further please why it is not allowed to simply list a new media outlet under "Media" for Stratford, Ontario? I did not use any links to promote it. The Stratford Local is an online local newspaper which you can see: https://www.thestratfordlocal.com/ Fcmoore29 (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)fcmoore29
 * My edit summary said "removing unsourced content". My bigger concern, like so many others on your talk page, is that you seem to be a single-purpose editor.  Are you associated with the media industry in Ontario? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I am a contractor who does indeed have some media industry clients. However that should surely not preclude the listing of a legitimate local news organization from being added to the Media section on the Stratford ON page, or on any town page? The public should see all local media on the list or it is not complete. In this case, the organization I added, The Stratford Local, is relatively new and has the Toronto Star as its parent company. It features Stratford news written by local journalists, local event listings, and content posted by the community. See www.thestratfordlocal.com You say it is unsourced content. How do you suggest I verify this information or make it citable to a source? Fcmoore29 (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)fcmoore29
 * Have you added information about any of your clients to Wikipedia? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I have added the name of a local news publication under a list of media outlets in a town. I did not express any opinion about the media outlet or link to it. It was a factual, neutral post adhering to Wikipedia’s Founding Principles. Fcmoore29 (talk) 00:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)fcmoore29
 * The nature of your edits also gives that impression. I'm going to add a COI tag to your talk page.  Just follow the instructions listed.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I will submit proposed changes through the Talk page of an article in future. Fcmoore29 (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)fcmoore29

Recent AfDs
I am trying to assume good faith, but I am a bit concerned about your recent string of AfDs on Indigenous people. Is there any particular reason you've decided to make these nominations? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I stumbled upon an article about a relative of Crazy Horse, and as I looked at the category I was dumbfounded so many articles had been written about such non-notable people (participated in a battle and was a relative of someone notable). I PRODed about seven of them, but the same editor deproded them all without explanation so I took them to AFD.  I think I got most of them.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 22:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I popped in to comment about WP:Articles for deletion/Mark Soldier Wolf. Although I commented on the AfD about the book I put on hold, I didn't !vote because I can see how notability is ambiguous in his case. If you asked me to fill in the blank, "Mark Soldier Wolf was notable for ______", I would struggle with it. On the other hand, I found him (briefly) mentioned in so many newspaper articles that it appeared that his influence and importance as a tribal elder was significant, so I worked on the article but felt WP policy reasons for keep were weak. Emotionally, I felt his article was more worthy than an athlete who played in a single professional game but that's not a valid AfD argument. Bottom line, I just wanted to say that I think it was a good-faith nomination of what was at the time a poor stub of questionable notability. Schazjmd   (talk)  13:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 14:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Why you deleted my edit from Hollywood, Memphis
Hi there Magnolia, I'm King Work and you were the one who reverted my edit on the Hollywood, Memphis article. Also why did you do that I added an citation source to it. King Work (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. My concern is that you copied text word-for-word from the website of a local pet food store.  It's not really encyclopedic content, and not a reliable source.  I hope this helps. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ugh!, Well i guess ill look something else for that article instead. King Work (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked for something notable about Hollywood, and all I found was a bit of info on Rodney Baber Park. You may want to add something about the park if you can find a source, or if you live nearby take a picture (and grab me up a rack of ribs from Crutchfields). Magnolia677 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't live there. A long time ago back in 2006 i used get on a helicopter to go take pictures there. I will send them straight to Wikipedia. King Work (talk) 12:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Belle Kearney
Hello Magnolia677, this is Harkappolloplays. I have added an original document as my source for changing the Belle Kearney sentence. Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harkappolloplays (talk • contribs) 15:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Another disruptive editor
Hi Magnolia, I noticed this interaction you had here with CommonKnowledgeCreator. They also did the same on the Blueprint (book) by interjecting unrelated references to try and make up their own interpretation of the facts. Perhaps someone needs to raise this problematic editing with an admin. Sxologist (talk) 00:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Best thing to do is start a discussion at Talk:Blueprint (book). This will avoid an edit war and will enable the other editor to explain there edit.  Be sure to ping that editor to the discussion.  If their edits are in fact disruptive, it will make for a better case if it's documented on a talk page rather than in edit summaries. I'll keep an eye on the article too.  Thanks for writing. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nevada Iowa Historical information
Just saw your correction on my information. Thank you for your assistance in formatting! We are trying to help fill in the information on our community.
 * Happy to help. I noticed on your user page you wrote "work in the non-profit world assisting is historic preservation,and small business retention", and in your message above you mention "we" and "our community".  Moreover, the only edits you have made have been to Nevada, Iowa, where you add information about the historical society.  I'm going to leave a COI notice on your talk page which should help you going forward. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Appreciate the input but I'm not compensated for this work, it was my hometown and just wanted to enter information to help expand. I'll read the COI information you sent.


 * I received and read your message on the paid information. I appreciate your thoroughness, but I am not being compensated in anyway for my work.

Nomination of Young Mans Fancy, Maryland for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Young Mans Fancy, Maryland is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Young Mans Fancy, Maryland until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hog Farm Bacon 15:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

cities notable people
Since you're extremely involved in Cities articles, can you comment on my discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities ? Graywalls (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!
We may disagree on the application of guidelines and rules but it should never get personal like it has. I want to rachet down the tension, if there is any, and remember that we are all human. Our individual unique perspective is important. Cheers!!Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I want to lick my computer screen! Thank you.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 16:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Prospect, CT Page
Hello! First off, thank you for reviewing/editing the page Prospect, Connecticut after I had finished rewriting it. I do have to raise one issue -- the historical plaque that was previously in the history section was removed under MOS:TEXTASIMAGES. I would like to note, it was included to fall in line with a few other pages in New Haven County (Southbury, Orange, Naugatuck, West Haven) Furthermore, all the information on the sign was included inside the actual historical writeup. As such, I do not believe this should have been removed under these grounds, and I am seeking your input on this. CosmicKanan (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing, and thanks for your hard work on the Prospect page! Plaques are atrociously ugly, and not very relevant to articles as they show nothing of this beautiful town.  You are free to start a discussion on the talk page and get input from others.  In the meantime, I'll poke around for more images.  A bigger concern in the referencing of "Guevin".  I'm going to fix a few of them and if you're ok fixing the rest let me know.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I understand completely! I'll get an image of other historical and noteworthy parts of the town instead. The Guevin book gives me enough to work with. Please go ahead and fix them! I was unsure the best way to continue to cite them. Thanks for getting back to me! CosmicKanan (talk) 21:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There are two ways to do the book source. The first is to list all the page numbers in the first instance of the source, and then copy the source.  It's neat and easy, but doesn't help readers who may actually want to find the page you sourced. I'm going to try a seldom-used "reference page" template.  One sec... Magnolia677 (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Request for review on revert
@Magnolia677, I added a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Edmonton#Why_was_my_link_to_Wiktionary_reverted? talk item on Edmonton concerning your reversion of my last edit for WP:EL]. Please review and respond as appropriate. Thisisnotatest (talk) 01:33, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the re-revert.

Poston Butte High School
Overview of wrongful edit:

I am an old alum of PBHS. I graduated in 2015 and feel that now is the time to update the Wiki page on the high school. The user Magnolia677 has made many edits to numerous different pages. However, none of said edits are in the scope of schools and especially schools located in Arizona. He removed my edits. One of which contained useful information for past scandals, a teacher who got arrested at the school for being intoxicated. She put students in danger. I think this is frankly important. It was also referenced in a local newspaper article [1]

With more time I can implement information from reputable sources. Considering the amount of information missing and the little I added, I do not think the removal was just or appropriate. I am aware of my potential bias, but at least I have experienced school at this high school. Sorry Magnolia677, this really is not your territory. I will continue making changes regardless of your inherent belief that you know best.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (Rebeccakarel (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need personal help ask me on my talk page, or ask a question on your talk page. Again, welcome. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, the part about your teacher driving drunk is not notable. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC) Rebeccakarel (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC) First of all, what makes you an expert on PBHS? I went to school there, worked in the district, and have even spoken at board meetings. What I posted was a small bit of what could be added. This page needs an update. And if I am not the one to do that, than what is your special relationship with this school? Kindly, I don't think you know anything about PBHS as the rest of your editing contributions on Wikipedia have nothing to do with the small high school located in rural Arizona.

https://www.santanvalley.com/san-tan-valley-area-information/san-tan-valley-news/pbhs-teacher-kathleen-jardine-arrested-with-205-breath-alcohol-level


 * Thank you so much for responding! You are absolutely correct that I am no expert on Poston Butte High School (though I do feel smarter after this brief dialogue with you).  Some of the guidelines you may want to familiarize yourself with are WP:WPSCH/AG, WP:NPOV, and Help:Referencing for beginners.  As well, being arrested for a crime, and being convicted of a crime, are not the same, so a drunk teacher being arrested is not notable in a school article.  Please see WP:EVENT, WP:NOT and WP:BLPCRIME.  If you familiarizing yourself with these guidelines you will go very go far! (and that is certainly my hope).  Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Unreliable sources
Hi! You removed some edits I made on the pages for Chagrin Falls and Vermilion, Ohio, noting that the sources I cited were unreliable. I'm curious why they're considered unreliable, as I cited a registry of sundown towns that is maintained by historians at the University of Michigan and a historian and sociologist at the University of Vermont. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isarob705 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You cited this person's personal webpage. Please see WP:UGC.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a note that this source is hosted by a University, by a professor at that university. It wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a personal webpage for a university employee, hosted on a university website, with no general editor, publisher, or peer review. This employee has listed--without sources--what he thinks are "sundown towns" scattered across the United States. My sandbox is more reliable. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Friendly reminder re:your hunch
Hi Magnolia. Just a friendly reminder that it is best not to speculate about others motives/actions as you did at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Pretty Nose (2nd nomination). Such speculation can run afoul of WP:NPA. Also I would hope BD's !vote would be considered, as would be any !vote cast before the closing. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:32, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:EMAIL
Perhaps you could consider activating this feature? Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Wander Wisdom
Are you familiar with this source at all? I'm unfamiliar with the source and don't know if it's notch above a blog or respected contents appropriate for sourcing for locality pages. https://wander-wisdom.com/travel-destinations/Visiting-the-Slabs-Slab-City-California as used in Slab City, California. I just wanted to get second opinion. Thanks. Graywalls (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Their editorial policy shows that it's WP:UGC. It's good quality though. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel like her first hand experience and observations is undue weight given there are plenty of reliable sources. What do you say? Graywalls (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * These are tough calls, because you know the information is correct and improves the article. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Your removal of Cazadero edits
Hey there, you removed a ton of hard work I put in to the Cazadero, CA page. It is a small town. I live out here. The wiki page seemed to be very empty as nobody has taken the time to add to it. I collected a ton of sources for rich and important content about the page. It's a small town and I felt the Wiki page was very underserved and vague before I worked on it. I felt that I made a massive improvement and I absolutely was not just practicing my editing. I know it was a lot of edits but I am a researcher and this is my home. I loved spending hours working on that page. Please tell me specifically what I posted that was an issue and I'm happy to address it. You said you tried to fix my post "but there was too much wrong with it.". I apologize if it seemed messed up in some way or if the formatting or something was wrong. But I actually felt that I made extremely rich and well-sourced modifications. TheGreenEdit (talk) 22:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Massachusetts
US Mint? I can see. OK. What have you got against revealing factual info on the Pecora Commission?Theonomad (talk) 17:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this on the article's talk page so other editors can join the discussion. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

History of Massachusetts
John Hull the mintmaster didnt exist so says Magnolia677. I thought that Wikipedia was for children. Now I know its for toddlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonomad (talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

History of Massachusetts
WHOOPS! BOTSTheonomad (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

John Hull the mintmaster didnt exist so says Magnolia677. I thought that Wikipedia was for children. Now I know its for toddlers.

History of Massachusetts
I wonder, who changed my sourcing info.Theonomad (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Massachusetts
I see how it goes. people on Wikipedia arent honest, the jokes on me. HA! Good luck racing to the bottom. Theonomad (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Capt John Alden
https://archive.org/details/diaryofsamuelsew01sewaiala/page/361/mode/1up?q=Alden

Read the footnote 361-cont 362. Go on. But I wont wait for an apology. Theonomad (talk) 22:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop leaving messages on my talk page. If you have a concern please leave a message on the article's talk page.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:38, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Capt John Alden
Theonomad (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)Note: Hull, Alden, Quincy and Sewall families (primarily) from 1630 to 1730 have my research project for the 20 months. I placed knowledge on Wikipedia others to view and because history's fun. Guaranteed I've forgotten more than you know about the First and Third Churches in Boston MA three hundred years ago.

Oh thats right - youre the one that doubts the existence John Hull, mintmaster, husband to Judith Quincy, father to Hannah, father to Daniel Quincy. Thats ok. But, think about your form of currency next time you make a purchase. Silver coins vs beads and shells.Theonomad (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

History of Massachusetts
Theonomad (talk) 00:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)I'm unclear. How is it NOT the History of Massachusetts: John Hull, 1st Treasurer Boston MA (mintmaster) d.1683? Hull Mint, 1651-1682, Boston MA? Robert Sanderson, Boston MA? Pine Tree Shilling - struck from 1651-1682 in Boston MA

AND Bartholomew Gosnold and Robert Gorges are? Theyre bit players. Plus, 90% of Native Americans weren't killed from disease.Theonomad (talk) 00:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Your revert that deleted the mention of Jefferson, Iowa in Star Trek: Discovery
You summarily deleted this and only gave the unencyclopedic comment of "kinda trival". Please check the Talk page for my explanation of why including this in a section called In Popular Culture is not trivial for a town with a population of less than 5,000 people. It would be trivial to mention this in the main article for Star Trek: Discovery, and it would also be trivial to mention this in an article about a larger city: there's not sense, for example, in listing every mention in popular culture for New York City. But Jefferson is not New York City, and being mentioned in a major TV series, especially one that is part of one of the largest franchises in TV and cinema history is not trivial. Thank you. Inter lingua 21:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of "Name This Place" entries
We have been given permission by the University of Texas Press to paraphrase Texas place name information included in the 2020 edition of "Texas Place Names." These entries update information posted by the Fred Tarpley books that were published 20+ years ago. Some of the entries provide new or corrected information found in the Tarpley books or from other sources. Other entries create new links for Texas places not currently on Wiki. Though the information is from our book it is neither a cut and paste job (I carefully rewrite each entry) nor is there any reason to believe that it will have any real impact on sales of the book. Clearly other books are used as citations/references. We are only trying to get this information out to interested readers and make the best use of three+ years of research. Name This Place (talk) 17:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding. Wikipedia has a strict conflict of interest guideline that has widespread support.  I already left information about this on your talk page.  Could please add a disclosure to your talk page and refrain from editing articles where you use your own book as a source?  Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I was trying to just be helpful, not offend anyone.
Hi, I did notice that you’re a Mississippi editor. I’m a person from the “Magnolia State” of Mississippi myself. I hope you can help. I got this message on my talk page and honestly all I was doing was trying to removed an edit that seemed to come off as politically motivated. I would like to remove myself from this situation. Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated.

Here’s the post I received:

Your recent editing history at Kimberly Klacik shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Honestly, I was not aware of this. No problem. Just don’t want to see someone in the public eye, particularly in public political elections or office being attacked by unfair means to them. I’m opting out of any involvement in this particular Wikipedia article.

I just read the Wikipedia article on protection policy, can that be applied to the page?


 * Thank you for writing. Some Wikipedia articles are very "hot", where editors fight over what should and should not be included.  At Kimberly Klacik, editors are only allowed to revert other editors once in a 24-hour period.  From the look of it, you've reverted other editors three times, which means you're at risk of being blocked from editing if you do it again.  My concern though, is that your edit was not vandalism, and you left a valid reason in the edit summary for why you deleted the content.  At this point, someone needs to start a discussion on the article's talk page so a consensus can be reached. Also, I hope you don't mind that I reformatted your edit a bit (this is typically frowned upon).  As well, there is a paucity of photos on Mississippi articles.  I'm not sure where you're from, but if you have a camera Wikipedia would greatly benefit from more images.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Edits based on insufficient citations
Magnolia, You are clearly a loyal supporter of Wikipedia, for which we are all grateful. I notice that you have been consistently removing accurate and verifiable information regarding Roger W Ferguson, Jr based on a concern that the information is not sourced. Ferguson was a well-recognized member of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve's list of Governors correctly lists his years of service. This simple fact is fully verifiable. Similarly, he is well known for his leadership on 9/11, which has been documented in numerous places, the most complete of which is on the American Conservative site. All of the other statements regarding Ferguson's service are totally accurate and can be verified with a call to the Federal Reserve System. In general the Wiki pages for public figures tend to have statements regarding public service that are public knowledge ( bills passed, etc.) that are not all sourced, but are fully verifiable. Again, thanks for your service to the Wiki community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.165.144.161 (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Accidental thanks.
I accidentally thanked you for capitalizing the letter b in black. Disregard that as I definitely would never thank someone for such an unnecessary edit. Core2012 13:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Core2012 (talk • contribs)
 * There was a lengthy discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters, but there doesn't seem to have been a consensus one way or the other. You are welcome to change it back.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm also outraged there's no "un-thank" option for accidents like this. Editors across Wikipedia have been thanked in error, leading to misunderstandings and erroneously-earned feelings of accomplishment.  I'm going to write a proposal today to create an "un-thank" option and will be sure to ping you.  All the best. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I apologize for being a bit harsh. I had thanked someone else for changing it to lowercase elsewhere and it asked me to confirm my thanks so I assumed it would again but it did not. Core2012 19:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For your information, Core2012 is currently topic banned from race, broadly construed. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 · t · c) 06:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks. I know.  I was just kidding around.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Killing of Walter Wallace
Hello there. Recently, I've noticed that you've been making a lot of edits on the page for the Killing of Walter Wallace. Many have been constructive, and I thank you for that. However, there are a few issues that seem to be present. For example, you wrote that including that Trump's claim that "Philadelphia was torn up by Biden-supporting radicals" was not supported by any evidence was adding bias to the article, as he was stating an opinion. However, there is a factual claim inherent in that statement, which is that protesters who rioted or looted in Philadelphia were Biden supporters and that they were "radicals", neither of which are evidenced by anything as noted here: and here:. As per WP:V, information needs to be verifiable and without some clarification that this is not necessarily true (it's almost impossible for every one of those protesters to be a Biden supporter or a "radical") it is in direct violation of that policy. Take a look at George Floyd protests, a very similar case: "A number of Trump administration officials and politicians such as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and FBI Director Christopher A. Wray have alleged that 'anarchists' and 'far-left extremist' groups, including 'Antifa', were exploiting the situation or were responsible for violence. However, there is no evidence that antifa-aligned individuals played a role in instigating the protests or violence or that antifa played a significant role in the protests, and the Trump administration has provided no evidence for its claims." Trump is not exempt from being fact-checked. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't have an entire page on the veracity of statements by Donald Trump. You also have yet to further the discussion on the talk page, even after reverting my edit because there was an "ongoing discussion". I await your response. Benmite (talk) 23:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought I did respond? Has there been a consensus on this?  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:47, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Goodsprings
Hello,

Just made a wikipedia account, and that was one of my first few edits on the page Goodsprings, Nevada. I'm asking as to why my "In popular culture" section was removed. Thank you.

MapleStorie (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for writing. You're actually asking a very good question.  Personally, I'm not sure your edit meets the criteria at WP:IPCEXAMPLES.  Also, if you look at the revision history of the article you will see that Fallout: New Vegas has been deleted so often there was a discussion about it at Talk:Goodsprings, Nevada.  That being said, have a look at the policy I mentioned, and read the discussion on the talk page.  If you feel Fallout: New Vegas should be on the article, start a new discussion on the article's talk page and included some good reasons based in policy and citing a good source.  Nothing on Wikipedia is ever 100 percent.  If you need help don't hesitate to drop me a message here.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 00:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

My Outer London Edits
Hello,

Can you please stop removing my edits. Justgravy (talk) 18:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I reverted your edit because it wasn't an improvement.  Could you please remind me what your edit summary said when you made your edit?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Can I please ask you one thing first, are you new to this Outer London problem? This is an issue that has been ongoing for many years and I have finally decided to try and do something about it. All I want is to introduce a standard for all London area articles. Introducing a standard would be a grand improvement, would it not? Justgravy (talk) 18:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Introducing new standards are great. Could you point me to the consensus of editors that agreed your new standard should be implemented?  Again, could you remind me what your edit summary said when you made your edit?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

There is no consensus yet. Could you please provide me a platform to discuss this? I have been looking for a platform for years! My edit summary was blank, which you already know. Justgravy (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed in your edit that you added a link to England, despite MOS:OL saying, "the following are usually not linked...countries". Is this correct?  Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The key word here is "usually". Because the article in question is a place, linking to the larger place of which it is a part is a useful link. Or would it be wrong to think this? Justgravy (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about Tonga here. It's England.  They ruled the sea for hundreds of years. Rum, buggery and the lash.  Everyone knows England.  I go there every summer and rent a car just to get my right arm tanned.  It doesn't need to be linked.  And when you make an edit but don't tell other editors why you're making it, and your edit has a flaw, leading the reverting editor to leave an edit summary "not an improvement", well, this may be a time for introspection, not a time to ask the other editor to stop removing your edits.  What you think friend? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

A simple "yes" would have sufficed (you don't need to insult the birthplace of a dear friend of mine whilst proving your point). And I do not know you well enough to call you "friend" yet. Also, how could I have introspected without first knowing what I did wrong? To be honest, I do not think you are being very constructive here - but I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. Okay, reviewing my edit here, would you approve of this: Bexleyheath is an area of South East London, England, within the London Borough of Bexley? Justgravy (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * If I may interject for a moment: the Bexleyheath talk page might be a better avenue for you to vent your frustration, Justgravy? I will admit to being a little surprised at seeing you return to this topic because I had, obviously incorrectly, assumed your earlier ban had been permanent. Do  I  think standardisation among similar wiki articles is a good thing? Sometimes yes, but always, no. Invariably each situation is different, even if only slightly. It is that slight difference that requires the editorial skills not available to a computer. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes Roger, I was hoping to smoke you out. I am like the Phoenix. The Bexleyheath talk page is not big enough for this matter, this issue is much, much bigger than just Bexleyheath. Also, I do not want to confuse things by starting a discussion here and continuing it there. I want to get a nice big discussion going here so we can solve this, for once and for all. Justgravy (talk) 22:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London might be an appropriate location for a wider discussion, rather than this editor's talk page. Schazjmd   (talk)  22:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Are there any rules about where such discussions need to take place? How do I move all of these posts over to there? Do I just delete them from here and add them to there? Justgravy (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Go to the project talk page and start a discussion about what you see as the issue and how you think it should be resolved. Get consensus on the way to move forward on the articles.  Schazjmd   (talk)  22:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay I will do this, but I need you guys to come over there with me. Roger I'm looking at you. Justgravy (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry you thought I was making fun. I was just trying to make a point.  I hope the discussion goes well on the project page; there are some very experienced editors involved.  England is a wonderful country, but I found it extremely wet (then again, the queen has reigned there for years).  All the best. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, this is now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. TheLionHasSeen (talk) 18:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you couldn't find the discussion before, it's because it was hidden due to an unclosed tag. It's visible now. Nil Einne (talk) 18:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was quite confused as to why it showed up in the editing tool, yet not within the actual page. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why my link was removed from Eyal Golan page?
Hi Magnolia,

I enjoy Eyal Golan a lot, and it is very hard to translate and transliterate the hebrew songs. Just few people know my website with Eyal Golan songs, thats why I put a link there, in order to help people who wants to enjoy and even practice writing the songs, because my website has a system to practice the hebrew writing. In short, I want to know why my link was removed?

Thank you very much.
 * I reverted my edit. Thanks for explaining this.  Magnolia677 (talk) 12:24, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

NTT Communications
Hi, I came from NTT Communications page as you told me adding reliable sources. However, except the sources from the official pages, all of the sources were chosen from academic sources and some are even peer-reviewed journals, so could you give me specific advice about what I should do to not be removed? Thank you.
 * Your new edit is better. Please try to avoid relying on the company's website when sourcing the article about the company.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Magnolia677
Who is Magnolia677 and why is he given any authority? Acrschmelzer (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

CHUM AM
I am not paid for my editing. Erroneous information and unnecessary edits to the page have been put in place. Cease and desist on what you're doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSNMacDonald (talk • contribs) 11:57, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "cease and desist"? Magnolia677 (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm saying stop reversing changes you know nothing about. There is absolutely no need to alter the notable talent as those are in fact on-air people with the station. The ratings info posted was flat out false and misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSNMacDonald (talk • contribs) 14:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Cleveland, Tennessee
Can you please explain this edit? Your edit summary "decorative photo of little value" looks more like an opinion, and doesn't cite any guidelines to why this should not be included. This isn't just a random photo; it is a photo of a significant historic site related to the article's subject. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. The policy is MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE.  No doubt you went to a lot of trouble to get that picture, but it shows very little of Cleveland. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The image is actually cropped, and I uploaded several other similar images. Is it possible that the cropping is what makes the image irrelevant? I also don't see why some of the others I uploaded might not meet this policy, as they show more of the location. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at all six photos and a couple are of a small wood shed, and the rest of a ditch. Look at some of my photos.  All show the place, or a house listed on the NRHP.  Photos have to be relevant to the article and show the place... Rhodell, West Virginia; Kilcoole; Vardaman, Mississippi; Bandy, Virginia; Arkansas City, Arkansas; Houston, Mississippi; Saltillo, Mississippi; Zuber Corners, Ontario; Oceana, West Virginia; Clear Fork, West Virginia;  Calhoun City, Mississippi; Hoohoo, West Virginia; Eunice, Arkansas; New Prussia, Ontario. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:21, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how inclusion of an image of a historic site relevant to the article's subject is a violation of that policy. This doesn't seem any different than other images used in the article, such as the one in the infobox. As such, I will be moving this discussion to the talk page. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Peachtree Corners accolades
Dear I undid revision 990421645 by you because the matters that have been in the article for a long time without objection may appear to be promotional, but they were added by other editors - being done per WP:PROMO - as the matters have been reported objectively and described from a neutral point of view per the sources. The information about Peachtree Corners has been written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery with verifiable, independent, third-party sources. If you disagree please specify each matter you disagree with and specific reasons for each. Thanks & have a well and good day. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC) P.S. For a world example, please see the third paragraph of the introduction, as well as the "Rankings" section, of the wikiarticle Vienna, Austria. Of course, Peachtree Corners is a small city, but accolades for its size are consistent for its status. Thanks, Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 12:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. US articles follow WP:USCITIES which makes no mention of accolades.  I'm probably going to go to an RfC about this, just to get the input from the community about whether to permit rankings.  If I get time in the next week to put an RfC together I'll ping you for your input.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 18:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Vaughan, ON
With all due respect, how is the local school board not a reputable source for education in a local municipality? Flyme2bluemoon (talk) 18:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a primary source, and it didn't support your edit anyway. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. What would you suggest I use as a source for my edit. I am nearly 100% sure it is true. Flyme2bluemoon (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see Help:Referencing for beginners. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I got a new camera and will no longer be using my phone to take photos
I just got a new camera and I will no longer be using my phone to take photos, they are not holiday photos, is it ok if I upload photos to Wikipedia from my new camera? Also, Happy Thanksgiving! (RUSSIAYAY (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)) November 26 (07:18 EST)

From now on, any picture I post will be from this new camera. RUSSIAYAY (talk) 21:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

It’s HD. RUSSIAYAY (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I took some 1080p (maybe 720p) pictures of deer with my new camera. RUSSIAYAY (talk) 21:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Minnesota project
Please avoid making personal attacks and insinuations about other editors and their motives for seeking diverse viewpoints, as you did at the Minnesota project's talk page. The issue raised by another editor is a common criticism of Wikipedia. Thank you, Minnemeeples (talk) 05:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I completely agree that the commandeering and sanitizing articles has been a big problem.  Let us hope editors can remain neutral and stick to reliable sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

hi

 * Actually, I just reverted another of your edits at Paleu. Way back in May I left a welcome note on your talk page with several great links to Wikipedia help pages.  Have a look at some of those help pages and you will be a much more confident editor.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

can you suggest some starter pages? I'm new this is Annoyingorange150803224 fyi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annoyingorange150803224 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Cook County
Hi Magnolia677,

If you're referring to the thing about who has or has not received a million votes out of Cook County, I mean, that information is in the table that is directly adjacent to the text. I haven't re-added my edit; however, I did re-remove something that is simply incorrect and can be seen to be so by looking at said table, which is that every winning nominee since 1936 has won a million votes out of Cook County.

Toadmore (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My apology. Please add your edit back.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks!! Magnolia677 (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

um idk
--Annoyingorange150803224 (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC) 1. How do I reply to messages on talk pages xD 2. Can you suggest some starter pages for me to edit?
 * Try The Wikipedia Adventure. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I already did it though User:Annoyingorange150803224 1:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Omni Coliseum Editing
My concert information on The Omni Coliseum was legitimate. Other pages on Wiki have the same kind of material unsourced as well and is never removed. Things like your removal of valid content is why I do not donate money. It's selective removal of content that is valid to the subject. I have also had content removed that is sourced, which I do not understand at all. I have now sourced those concerts at the end of The Omni Coliseum concert section.

Leixlip Confey
This is a map of the civil parish of Leixlip. As you can see, Captain's Hill and Confey is within the orange box. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * OpenStreetMap is less reliable than other maps because it is user generated. Both Google Maps and this map indicate that anything north of the railway track is outside of Leixlip. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wiki too is less reliable than other encyclopedias because it is user generated. Feel free to use the Ordnance Survey of Ireland maps - they too use the same boundary for the parish as OpenStreetMap. Your own map indicates that the Council views with area within the red line as being the "local area". Perhaps you'd like to supply your own definition of Leixlip. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Removing unsourced content"? Are you for real? Did you not see the blue link to Royal Canal? That's what links are for. You want me to cut'n'paste the reference from there to Leixlip? You couldn't have done that yourself instead of reverting? Cop on to yourself. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you understand what "user generated content" means. Because Wikipedia only hosts content supported by reliable sources, any content sourced by questionable sources is frowned upon.  User generated sources include OpenStreetMap and personal blogs, as well as Wikipedia, which also cannot be used as a source (otherwise editors would copy poorly-sourced content from one Wikipedia article to another).  Again, please see WP:UGC for details.  You may also want to read WP:CWW.  I'm reluctant to say, "I don't make the rules, I just follow them", because over several years of editing, I've helped make some of the rules. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * What user generated sources did I use in my edits that necessitated their deletion by you? I used OpenStreetMap above in our discussion here, not in the article. I also asked you "You want me to cut'n'paste the reference from there to Leixlip? You couldn't have done that yourself instead of reverting?". Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Happy to help.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hawley Minnesota Page
Magnolia,

I am a contracted employee of the City of Hawley. I made edits today that were twice reversed to the page.

All of the images added were contracted for and paid for by the City of Hawley. We have full permission to use them any way we please.

Thank you for allowing these edits.

Lee/City of Hawley (Leetwice) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leetwice (talk • contribs) 21:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting me. I left a message on your Commons talk page (where the photos are) about the copyright status.  The exif data on the photos says they are all copyrighted.  The Commons is happy to have great photos, so long as the copyright is relinquished.  This was probably just an oversight.  As for making edits to the Hawley, Minnesota article, that would put you in a conflict of interest and should be avoided because a paid employee of a city might be tempted to "puff up" an article, such as you did when you wrote "Hawley welcomes new families and new businesses and has a strong business community", and "Hawley is home to great outdoor activities", and "Hawley features safe neighborhoods and wide streets".  You see what I mean.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

removal of city of Evans stats
Hello, it seems you removed the addition of FBI crime stats from the City of Evans page, I supplied the FBI citation for these stats and they were accurate?

As well as the homeless population stats?

intentionally disruptiveVandalism
BELIEVE THE MAGNOLIA IS BEING PAID TO VANDALIZE PAGES. intentionally disruptiveVandalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colemanhull (talk • contribs) 17:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Magnolia677***** Magnolia677

Harleysville
I am the mayor of harlesyville and it continues to get taken down Shybalegend03 (talk) 23:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Mayor Gonce, this is an outrage that you are being treated this way. Let me see what I can do. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting this. It's unfortunate that this vandalism has existed as far back as August, but at least it's taken care of now. I've protected the article for now, and I'll add it to my watchlist just in case Mr. Gonce and his associates find themselves bored again in the future. Cheers! -- Kinu t/c 23:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

You need to stop
I just reverted another of your edits at California State University, Long Beach. I looked at one edit where you added a source which did not support the edit. And all the "access dates" to your sources are off. Based on the number of copyright warnings on your talk page I would assume you have been pasting in bogus sources to support your edits. You need to stop. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Take a look at the links below. US News and the CSU website are not bogus sources. You may want to take another look with more attention. Oh and if access dates are off who can throw stones who has no sin? I will try to be more careful next time. I will suggest the same of yourself. Easy to criticize someone else work instead of making the necessary changes. But I will live it like this so it remains out of date, it deserves to be. I only hope there are no alternative agenda as is the case most of the time and a lot of good it will do in time. USA Eagle01 (talk)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/california-state-university-long-beach-1139/academics

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/california-state-university-long-beach-110583/overall-rankings

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/california-state-university-long-beach-1139

https://tableau.calstate.edu/views/SelfEnrollmentDashboard/EnrollmentSummary?iframeSizedToWindow=true&:embed=y&:showAppBanner=false&:display_count=no&:showVizHome=no
 * Once I clean up the mess you have left behind, my agenda will be to find an administrator to deal with you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

So who are you going to find to deal with yourself? Don't waste my time. Merry Christmas and a happy new year. ;o) USA Eagle01 (talk)

Ouch. I’m not wasting time - how do I get such a cold standard response to give myself. You really are from that Noila, huh? Go check my thing about Gee Moneg... much less controversial... just outta respect for a good dude from the boot. You go in on ppl. We should be friends. DimDumbow (talk) 08:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

You need to stop being so abbrasive. Rather than criticising the edits of others, make the fixes yourself. Be part of the solution. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Idk how to add something, but you’ve added a lot
Just curious how Gee Money could be added to list of murdered hip hop artists. He absolutely deserves to be there. DimDumbow (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * To be added to List of murdered hip hop musicians, the musician needs to have been "notable" (in other words, they need to have a Wikipedia article). I found Gee Money, but he is still alive and was born in 1986.  The Gee Money you are referring to was likely this person, who died at 22-years-old, and does not have a Wikipedia article. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

People Get Ready
(Yes, it's regarding a very old edit, I know...) I am not a very experienced editor here on Wikipedia - just the occasional one. However, I do not understand why you reversed my edit to People Get Ready back in early 2017. You asked me to cite a "reliable source", but I did in fact link directly to both Seal's Wikipedia page as well as to his album Soul, which clearly lists the cover song in the track listing. Shouldn't a well-established Wikipedia page that lists something as simple as a track listing for a music album be a sufficient "reliable source" for a trivial bit of information as the existence of a cover song? That's why I tried to label it as a minor edit. (Please go easy on me, I'm still a newbie editor!) EdgeDC (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. It was this edit I reverted.  The edit was indeed unsourced, and if you go to Soul (Seal album), there is no source accompanying "People Get Ready" either.  Sources are very important on Wikipedia, because they help make Wikipedia a reliable place to get information.  It shouldn't be hard to find a source to support the edit.  I can help if you want.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Davey Oates
I didn't want to mess with your talk page, but in case you missed it, Davey Oates posted to the top of this page. I've told Oates he's probably going to be blocked if he carries out this threat to keep changing era styles, by the way. That's how I stumbled on him. Doug Weller talk 07:04, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, my edit with the reference was not a draft or a test. It made a reference to the circumstance of Dee and Nigel being fired in 1985 and includes a reference link to an interview Nigel did. This is in line with editing procedures. Why has it been removed again and reported as a draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davey Oates (talk • contribs) 04:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. Your edit appeared to be a test edit, which would have needed significant editing to be of benefit to Wikipedia's readers.  References should not be placed into a section title, all parts of the edit need a reference, and the tone of writing should be encyclopedic rather than vernacular (eg. "sacked without explanation").  I left a welcome message on your talk page with links to many useful resources available to new editors. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

List of Victoria's Secret Models
Why did you delete the list? RiaWet94 (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It was unsourced. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? You can find it on multiple sites and platforms. RiaWet94 (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia only publishes information that can be verified. This means you'll have to find reliable sources to support your edit.  Two editors have now removed your edit, so if you keep adding it back without a source you're going to be sent to the Wiki penalty box.  Please take a moment to read Help:Referencing for beginners, and if you need help feel free to ask.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I think there is a reliable source. it is not an official website, but you can find them on Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest. the name is VSActu and they are posting all the newest photo's of Victoria's Secret. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RiaWet94 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 *  (Talk page lurker)  Clearly,, you are more hyped with this subject than is Wikipedia in general. Twitter, Insta and Pinterest don't qualify as reliable sources, so VSActu is your only candidate. I want you to go to the site, and look at the small print at the bottom of pages, and the obscure links found down there, and try to find out who owns VSActu. Try Googling also, and hopefully you will find a WhoIs page or similar for the site. If luck is with you, VS owns it. If they don't, try to determine what sort of ownership or management they have, and report your findings here, so we can deternine its reliability as a source.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Lake Tahoe
I understand Wikipedia is not a news feed, but the NHL outdoor games at the lake are the start of new human activities, for the first time in a while that an NHL game is hosted outdoors on an actual lake.

Sincerely, Gamingboss69. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamingboss69 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. That's kind of a Facebook thing, or maybe something for the city website.  Seems kind of run-of-the-mill.  Why not start a discussion on the article's talk page and get input from others.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

A primer on things that quack...
Sometimes you just need to give them enough rope and time to hang themselves... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Notable people spam attack
I wanted to thank you for your efforts in dealing with the notable people spam attack over the past 24+ hours and for your remarks at ANI. I'm not sure what it was that some of the folks at ANI were missing, but it was clear to me -- and you, and Materialscientist and others -- that there was a real problem brewing. Alansohn (talk) 17:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! User:Antandrus and User:Bestagon were fabulous too.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all the soldiers who fought this battle, including any we don't know about. I assume that you have a great number of article for populated places on your watchlist and had the same experience that I did in realizing that what was happening was too widespread to be a bunch of kids in a single classroom. Alansohn (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks from me as well; there were a lot of helpers, going by the names I saw under the "rollback failed" window. I saw a few more non-notable people being added this morning but it seems to be tapering off. I opened a bunch of US place articles just a moment ago, randomly, but didn't find any problems. Antandrus (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! Hopefully the worst is behind us. Thanks to everyone that pitched in! Bestagon (talk) 20:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Barebone, Kentucky for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Barebone, Kentucky is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Barebone, Kentucky until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You do pretty good work with actually identifying which ones of these were real places, so if you can find coverage for a community here where I couldn't, I'll be happy to withdraw and trout myself. Hog Farm Talk 18:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey there! It was referred to in a lot of places as the "Barebone District", and Barebone Voting District.  Lots of obituaries of people from Barebone, like this little girl who died in 1932, and John Andrew, who died in 1939. I'll keep looking.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's mention of a Barebone School, if that helps any... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The school link says the Andrew family attended (John Andrew?) Magnolia677 (talk) 19:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems that there was something here, at least. I'll keep looking some too.  I should have had this query here before opening the AFD.  The mention of the school isn't necessarily an indication of a community, even with modern schools.  In rural areas, like the site of Barebone, (and the high school I attended), it's not that unusual for schools to not be associated with a community. Hog Farm Talk 01:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I see another editor has voted for deletion, so I will add a comment at the AFD. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Jim Henson & Hyattsville
University Park, Maryland is a small municipality bordering the city of Hyattsville, Maryland. The postal address is Hyattsville, and both houses Henson lived in there are practically within eyesight of Hyattsville. Lots of WP:RS —, , , to point to four in the first page of Google results — list his family as having moved back to Hyattsville when they returned to Maryland from Mississippi. Even the Henson Company archivist refers to where he lived as Hyattsville. The note with the Hyattsville Notable People list makes it clear that his house was not in Hyattsville (basically across the street from Hyattsville), but he is closely associated with the city. He didn't just attend school in Hyattsville; it's where his artistic works began (again, according to the Henson Company Archives ). Including him the list of notable Hyattsville people recognizes the common association of him with the city as well as its role in his artistic growth while still noting that his house was in the neighboring municipality. Carter (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have a source that he actually lived in Hyattsville just add it to your edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't want to get into a repeat reverting situation, so I'm trying to clarify here. If actually lived only means domiciled, then a number of reliable sources incorrectly ID Henson's home as Hyattsville despite his parent's house being outside of the city limits, but he didn't live in Hyattsville. If where he did pretty much anything outside of his house, including the start of the artistic activities for which he's known, counts as lived, then Hyattsville completely counts. (Excepting an elementary school, which Henson didn't attend, and several churches, University Park is entirely residential.) Both cities, as well as College Park where he went to college and also borders University Park, claim Henson as a notable resident. Carter (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I recall a well-known Wikipedian, Bunsen Honeydew, who said that as long as you have a reliable source to support the edit, it's ok. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Roman Atwood
I noticed you removed information from an article called Roman Atwood. But the information in the article was true, and you claimed is was “unsourced”. Can you tell me how it was unsourced? WikiUser32123 (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, editors can't just add "stuff", particularly defamatory stuff as was added at Roman Atwood.  Edits need to be supported by reliable sources. I see you also left a message at Talk:Algeria, West Virginia, wanting to delete the article because you don't think the place exists.  I spent about 30 seconds on Google and found this from Oliver Gorrell who lives in Algeria, West Virginia.  Here is another entry about Algeria, and let's not forget poor old Rufus L. Gardner. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:33, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

If this place has ever existed it don’t exist now, I found a website saying it’s an abandoned place. WikiUser32123 (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What about Troy? Magnolia677 (talk) 17:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I guess you’re right. Algeria, West Virginia is a Former CDP. But I don’t think it’s a CDP because why has nobody put population numbers on the page yet? WikiUser32123 (talk) 17:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Just intervening because I was involved in the revisions to Algeria, West Virginia, and following up on that. As a West Virginian, historian, and genealogist, I often run across place names that aren't widely known anymore.  Sometimes the name of a place has changed, but more often it's an ephemeral location that once was the center of a small village, perhaps designated by a post office (and often, the post office gave its name to the place).  It's useful to readers to know where these places are or were (and usually, the community survives the loss of its post office by decades; if people still live there and it hasn't been absorbed by any other settlement, I think it's fair to say it still exists, even if it's too small or unimportant to be shown on most maps).  Rural areas often have small settlements like this, known mainly to the people who live nearby, but otherwise forgotten.  It's important to document them when possible, using older maps, appointments of postmasters, or other evidence—otherwise people will still find the names in records or histories, but be unable to find out where they were or when they were inhabited.  Wikipedia has plenty of room for short articles about such places, provided that some reliable sources exist, which they plainly do for Algeria.
 * I don't have any connection with Algeria or Pleasants County, but I saw someone asking about it on WikiProject West Virginia, and decided that I'd have a look to see whether it did exist, and any other useful information about it. In addition to the sources cited, Magnolia677 has pointed to an author—a botanist, I assume—giving Algeria as his address, and I checked Pleasants County records for the period during which there was a post office, and several years thereafter.  There weren't that many entries, but I did find enough mentions of it to indicate that there were several families living in the place over a number of years—some long after the post office was discontinued.  Vital records aren't the best sort of thing to cite just to prove that a place exists, so I didn't include them—other records showed that.  And if you check more recent topographical maps of the area, you'll see that more people seem to live there now than did when it had a post office.
 * Of course, unincorporated communities don't normally have census figures—in most cases these are available only for the incorporated towns and villages of a county. But if we limited geographical entries about settlements in Wikipedia to those that are legally incorporated, we'd be deleting thousands of articles about communities in the United States alone, eliminating the simplest way for readers to find reliable information about them.  Who would be served by that?  P Aculeius (talk) 18:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. Very interesting.  West Virginia is a special place.  Did you see my photo at Hoohoo? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks very familiar, though I doubt I've ever visited the place or the article. Also a little bit disorienting—although I'm not sure if it's the panorama or the fact I've had my head buried in a book for the last three hours!  Anyway, thanks for helping with the discussion about Algeria.  P Aculeius (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chris Yonge
Seriously tempted to bring this up for review. I believe you made compelling arguments against the reliability of the sources, not only originally but also those brought up after the fact. I pressed the closer about their reasoning and this is that conversation. -- A Rose Wolf  19:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AFD's are seeming more a crapshoot lately. I spent a lot of time scrutinizing each source.  No one seemed to want to listen. I'd support a review.  Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 19:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's primarily the way these SNG's are written. They are either so vague you can't possibly know what their criteria is for notability or how it relates to GNG or they circumnavigate GNG entirely giving their specific subjects a built-in advantage over others. -- A Rose Wolf  19:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Chris Yonge
I have asked for a deletion review of Chris Yonge. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. As the original nominator of the article I felt you should be notified of the Deletion Review. -- A Rose Wolf  21:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)