User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 26

Cabazon Dinosaurs
I disagree with some of the deletions made on September 25, 2021 to the article "Cabazon Dinosaurs" by Magnolia677.

Magnolia677 justified his/her deletions by stating that the article is about the Cabazon dinosaurs, not Claude Bell (who built those large concrete structures). Magnolia677 then deleted about a third of the text relating to Claude Bell, stating that Bell's work at Knott's Berry Farm is irrelevant, even though that is where he honed his craft of creating life-size figures out of concrete, and he spent 35 years of his life working at Knott's, and he was working there while he built the Cabazon dinosaurs.

Magnolia677 also deleted most of the photos in the article, including the only two photos of Claude Bell!

By Maganolia677's logic ("This article isn't about Claude Bell, it's about the Cabazon dinosaurs...") then an article about the first moon landing should not include any photos of Neil Armstrong in it.

Sheesh.

Now, the article has a grand total of only ONE picture in it... Not good.
 * It would be best to discuss this on the article's talk page. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

"Spam" and "Promo" reversions
Hi! I saw your multiple reversions on my contributions and wanted to get more details other than your one-word explanations. You said not to add "spam from unreliable sources". If you look at my contribution to the University of South Florida, adding one other cafeteria/food option from the official website does not count as promo nor spam, same thing with the Glazer Children's museum, where I spoke about a historic event for the museum celebrating 10 years, also taken from their official website. Also, a wide range of museum Wikipedia pages have an exhibitions section, but the Tampa Museum of Art did not have one, which I added from their official website with the most accurate information yet was reverted, again, due to "promo." Informing about their permanent exhibitions is just facts, not promo. There are also no prices, hours, or anything of that nature included.

According to the "What Wikipedia is not" page that you referred me to, Wikipedia exists to offer "detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, " meaning that my edits on the ZooTampa at Lowry, where I mention one of their achievements, being a fact, contributes to what Wikipedia exists for. This same page includes information about the programs they have to promote conservation, a section that already existed on that page. This, too, was said to be promo under your explanations.

Regarding the sources, I do recognize some of those were blogs, so I will make sure not to use those as I agree they can be unreliable. I will edit appropriately and add better sources to the edits that were rightfully reverted.

I can see you have been doing this for a while, so some further explanations when reversions are made from somebody who knows could really help me to learn and offer quality contributions to Wikipedia.

Thank you!


 * User blocked. See Sockpuppet investigations/Stpetestan. Spreading copyright violations and promotional crap across central Florida using multiple block evasion accounts. Copied content remains at ZooTampa at Lowry Park. Thank you for reverting the edits, Magnolia677. 2601:188:180:B8E0:C1FD:886B:ECC1:8969 (talk) 00:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Sonyae Elise Wikipedia Page
She is collab Qveen Herby Why you delete this ?? https://genius.com/Qveen-herby-ip-lyrics look this Biandiamond (talk) 15:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Please add the source to the edit. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I already gave the source why are you deleting it???? Biandiamond (talk) 20:05, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Photo of "sky" in Lincoln, Nebraska
Hi! About the photo of the sky that you removed in the article Lincoln, Nebraska... I see that you may be from Mississippi and you may not realize, but the "just sky" is as important & relevant to the Nebraska climate as cotton may be to the deep south. Storm clouds is what brings us in Nebraska rain and in turn the essential ingredient to crop production; while the lack of rain can create the opposite... dust bowl conditions, or at least devastating droughts & strain on the food chain. While Lincoln is a city and not an agricultural community per se, it is the capital of one the leading agricultural states in the nation... thus, the photo would seem at least partially relevant (as opposed to not relevant), according to MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE -- including the part 'Strive for variety'. Also will point out that the article was GA-rated with this photo. While I'll leave your edit as is (it's not a hill to die on since there is no hill) -- just wanted to point out that geographically speaking, one thing with meaning in one place may or may not have any meaning in another. Anywho, thanks for taking the time to read this! Hanyou23 (talk) 02:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again! I always assume good faith and will not categorize your recent edits in the article Lincoln, Nebraska as a retributive editing spree within the article, since no reply was given to the above.  It is somewhat hard to tell though, after your continued edits and removals within the article today without a reply back.  Some edits I can agree with, but others make me wonder if you have read the article first before deleting.  I implore you to please discuss your edits, since you may not be familiar with the area being discussed within the article, before resuming further removals or at least any further major edits in the article.  Thank you!  Hanyou23 (talk) 15:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * My apology for not responding. Thank you for adding back two images.  I agree they should not have been removed.  Removing images can be delicate, because everyone wants to show off their personal photos.  The only issue I still have is with the night skyline image.  I will start a talk page discussion before deleting. Thank you for writing. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries :) . It's not a personal photo thing for me... the reason I started taking pictures of Lincoln all these years ago (not many as of late - priorities in life has shifted :/ ) is because before I did, there were very few photos of Lincoln, save for some random, historic photos/diagrams and a handful from a gentleman who lives 1.5 hours via Interstate west of the city.  I'll go over there to discuss now :) .  Thank you ^^ !  Hanyou23 (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Discussion left here :) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lincoln,_Nebraska .  Hanyou23 (talk) 18:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent talk page message
Hello, you recently left a talk page message at User talk:2804:D49:D2D:9E00:EEF4:51FF:FE08:B897. This is a long-term issue that I have been monitoring since September 2020 because this user's edits to airport articles are often disruptive and non-constructive. Please see the edits made by the 2804:D49:DC3:AF00:EEF4:51FF:FE08:B897/41 and 2804:D49:D11:2900:EEF4:51FF:FE08:B897/41 IP ranges. It is also worth noting that some of the IPs used in 2020 may have been related to this sockpuppet investigation from 2015 and 2016. Johnj1995 (talk) 15:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty fishy. I'll keep my eye on it.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Explanation on why you reverted some of my edits
I really don't get it. I apologize for sounding like this. Although I know some of my edits are in good faith which is the reason why I want to talk to you on why you reverted my edits to explain some reasons on why you reverted them. Here's some of the things I noticed on the following edits:


 * On the edit of WSBN, the edit was to reflect the new name of the Washington Football Team given that they're no longer named the "Redskins". This was done in good faith and it was necessary to ensure clarification.
 * On the edit of Astral Media. Also in Good Faith because it was to reflect the new name of the owners.

The others still needs some work, including the section regarding to Jackson, Mississippi which has little to no information on transpiration and some of these elements, including highways, are in the Geology section. If you're still up to debate, feel free to talk about it.

20chances (talk) 18:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. With this edit you added "WildBrain (then known as DHX Media at the time of renaming)" three times, in three consecutive sentences.  Was that an improvement?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Replacing DHX with Wildbrain on the first part is fine (Where it says now owned by [Company Name]). As for the others, I'm not sure. 20chances (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure either. And with this edit, you wrote, "In 2017, WMAL started broadcasting Washington Redskins (later known as the Washington Football Team in 2020)". Why did you add "later known as the Washington Football Team in 2020"?    You are writing about an event in 2017, when it was called the "Washington Redskins".  Why is it necessary to give readers information about something completely unrelated to this article about a radio station?  Any reader wishing to know more about the football team need only click Washington Redskins and they will be redirected to Washington Football Team, where the second sentence says, "Formerly known as the Washington Redskins".  It would be like writing, "Fred loved to drive old cars and purchased a mint condition 1931 Datsun (later known as Nissan in 1986)". Magnolia677 (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, of course, I am aware the team name is old. Even if the team name is formerly used, it goes to a redirect. If they're still broadcasting matches from the team that changed its named, of course its mentioned. Of course, its not used all the time. As I said before, I am aware that the team has changed its name. 20chances (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Demopolis Wikipedia Page
I keep trying to edit the Demopolis page to make it accurate and up to date (because its so inaccurate in some areas) and was even asked by city government officials to do so, yet you guys (you and that person with Batty in their username) keep reverting my edits? What is your deal? I properly cited the sources so this isn't a case of vandalism. I'm really curious as to how I am not allowed to edit the page, although I am from the town that is the subject of the page, and you are. Please don't tell me Wikipedia has some kind of caste system outlining who is allowed to edit articles and who is not. If you are going to somehow ban me from making edits to my own hometown's page, fine, but at least go and take another look at my edits. I trust that you'll find that at least some of them should be reverted back and the edits allowed to stay. The citizens of this town deserve to have a Wikipedia page representing them that isn't filled with outdated and inaccurate information.

Update. I just got an email back from the town official who tasked me with editing the page. He said that if my edits are reverted again for no good reason, they are going to work to figure out how to request the page be locked and access turned over to me/them. 207.203.133.122 (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey friend. Calm down.  Tell the mayor the Wiki page will get some improvements.  I have two questions though.  First, are you getting paid for your edits, and second, is Smokin' Jacks ribs still on Highway 80 in front of the Walmart? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Request
Hi, If you could create stubs(?) for Fred Hall (Canadian politician) and Jack Mould (Canadian politician) I'd be glad to work on articles rather than use the page on York reeves and mayors. I'm not able to create new articles because my account is new.
 * Thanks for writing. Just create a draft article.  That way you and others can work on it, and when it looks good, get it moved into mainspace. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Stop with your false accusations
Please stop with your false accusations of disruptive editing. These a very slanderous, defamatory and untrue. I don't know why you have it out for me threatening to have me blocked from editing for things I didn't do. This is ridiculous. IZ041 (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * With this edit you wrote that in 1979, Annette Marie Ekström was the 4th runner up. What was your source to support that she was 4th runner up?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:42, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I added links to each of the editions of Miss Universe where there was a placement as a temporary solution while I find sources and have them added to the article. That way, there's proof to support the listed placements. Thank you. IZ041 (talk) 17:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Please stop adding unsouced content. Your edits are disruptive and undermine the reliability of Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * How is linking to another article on Wikipedia disruptive? There is nothing wrong with linking to these articles from the Miss Sweden article, if you were to go to the article that it is link to for each year. The article backs the information up. Again, stop with the false allegations. IZ041 (talk) 01:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Nobel Laureates at U of T
Hi Magnolia,

I noticed you had changed some edits I had made regarding two listings of recipients of the Nobel prize. This is not meant as disruptive editing, but to accurately provide information to that page. James Orbinski was not a recipient of the Nobel Prize. For someone to be included on this list they should actually have their name on the Nobel Prize, but in this case this is not so. In the case of William Faulkner, he did receive the prize no doubt however, he does not have a direct connection to the University of Toronto, as he had military training as the sources indicate by the No. 4 School of Aeronautics. I noticed this had been edited previously and reverted during previous discussions. It seems there may have been some misunderstandings as to what should be included on this list and William Faulkner while he was stationed in Toronto at a time, did not receive any formal training by the University of Toronto, but by the military. If this sort of connection would be valid this would open up the door to many connections to be included on this list and for many places, which would be a little ridiculous. Just thought I'd bring this up to you so you might reconsider the inclusion of these two individuals.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:9480:102:5FFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFBC (talk) 03:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. My apology for also reverting James Orbinski; I only wanted to add Falkner back.  There seems to be a consensus that Falkner was a student; can I suggest you start another discussion on the take page.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 07:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Monroe County Florida
Edit Revert Monroe County Florida, I'd like to add the sections to which where reverted and will be contributing more to them. Is there a reason the edit was reverted? Also, if you have any templates which would make contributions easier that would be greatly appriciated. Thanx
 * Your edit was to add this link for a non-notable business registration. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:00, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Disagreement='Dispruptive editing', not so...please assume good faith
Please don't throw around language that I am engaging in 'disruptive editing' on the Spokane Valley, Washington article edit summaries. That is an assumption of bad faith and is not consistent with the pillars of Wikipedia, please assume good faith while trying to work collaboratively on the project. Please think before you speak and be mindful of other people's feelings and how they may be interpreted. I am not trying to be disruptive or act in bad faith, I am being as collaborative as possible while giving a passionate explanation of why I disagree with you and that other editor with that particular edit, I even made compromises to address your 'duplicate' (more accurately derivative, which is not the same) complaint; you reverted me, I reverted you, its all part of the process. I was going to reach out through other means besides edit summaries if my last compromise didn't work, which is obviously found out by a revert-which I wasn't planning on contesting again because I don't think its worth arguing further about. If you say disagreement = disruptive editing, then it seems like you are just trying to sideline and silence me and the edit I wanted to make that you clearly don't like. Saying I'm engaging in 'disruptive editing' is also almost like saying I am trying to sabotage the article or prevent it from being improved, which is honestly pretty hurtful and insulting to me and a real slap in the face after I've been working on this article for months now. I have just about doubled the size of the article and definitely improved its quality, adding about 60 citations. And as I said, I am not going to put the photo of the skyline in the infobox, not worth my time arguing about it. Maybe we can get another photo of the 'skyline' later and hopefully more pictures will be uploaded to the Commons so someone can make a decent looking montage without duplicates later.

Although I have found it hard to contribute to the article with you scrutinizing every edit, I am satisfied with the progress that has been made with it so far. Since you from Mississippi, I am not sure why you have taken such a hawkish interest in the development of this Start-Class article of a mid sized city in Washington state that gets under 100 pageviews per day, but it's great you want to help. I would be happy to work with on it further despite the disagreements from time to time. If you really are interested in helping the article, all I think we need now before prepping it for a GAN is to add content to the History section and start the Economy section. I plan on digging into a few books I have on the city to fill in the rest of the article. Feel free to help. I only started editing this website to improve the Coeur d'Alene article and just decided later on to do the Spokane Valley article so the two anchor cities of the Spokane area, Spokane and Coeur d'Alene and it's largest suburb, Spokane Valley could all have Good Articles on this encyclopedia so people can know more about the place. 2001:5B0:4FC0:1788:D43E:37A7:29F2:2BEC (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Roslyn Estates edits
Please refrain from vandalizing Roslyn Estates, New York. Your recent edits to said page are harmful to its overall quality and accuracy, and as such can be considered to be vandalism (and can lead to being blocked from editing). You are a good editor and your contributions are appreciated. However, certain eliminations (i.e.: removing a non-disruptive photo which identifies something specifically related to the particular section of the article when said sign specifically serves as a means of identification for something in the article) are detrimental and harmful to the article. Likewise, eliminating important, notable information (such as a government section, which is not "a directory" and instead explains how the government operates) simply because "This level of detail is not mentioned in WP:USCITIES" is equally detrimental. A government section (or any section) is not of use if it does not explain the section's subject or how it operates – and likewise it is not accurate if incomplete. Please remember that the formatting of WP:USCITIES is not absolute or required, which is mentioned throughout its page; it is merely an optional guideline to assist in creating an article. Just because the level of detail is not specifically specified in the guideline does not mean that the information is not meant to be in the article or that it means it is "a directory" (especially when it appears to be done to ensure accuracy and is – to directly quote the WP's page – "a description of the local city government" (as specified by WP:USCITIES)). Perhaps having the government section revised to also include a description of what each part does would be a more fitting solution? AITFFan1 (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I have responded on your talk page. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * -Hi User:Magnolia677, if I may explain myself to clear this up. I did create this account back then – however my intentions never were to breach Wikipedia's policy through "sockpuppeting" and I did not set it up to defend those articles (in fact I honestly had absolutely no clue about the policy on having multiple accounts). I wanted to start fresh with a new account (this one) as per the clean start after that incident occurred (as you correctly stated, I was quite upset and frankly a little embarrassed by those articles getting deleted. Yet for whatever reason, I decided to stick with the older one. Lately I've started debating again which to use. Our disagreement on the Roslyn Estates page especially made me think of it. I admit again that I was not at all familiar with Wikipedia's guidelines on second accounts (and was not until this incident). I've been switching back and forth between accounts these past few days trying to figure out which one I want to use going forward. Hopefully going forward we can both move on and continue editing in a civil manner. Once again, I apologize for not better disclosing the connection (and for switching between accounts even after writing to you), and I apologize for the misunderstanding and for my tone to you earlier (I was very upset again because I really did not see how my Roslyn Estates edits were not notable and hence my tone). I enjoy and take pride in editing in good faith and really do hope to continue editing in good faith with the newer account. I am now aware of the guidelines (thank you for making me aware of them), and I am permanently walking away from the older account in favor of this one (although I might want to change my name; I will be sure to still have the current name on my user page if I do change it that way there won't be any confusion). I appreciate that you made me aware of the policy – I now know what to do going forward. But I am very nervous because I never meant to do this in bad faith nor did I mean to "sockpuppet." My sincerest apologies, Magnolia (and again, for now on this account is the one I will be using). I wrote this on the discussion too but figured I should ping you, as well. AITFFan1 (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Please advise as to any steps which I should take to rectify the issue. Thanks. AITFFan1 (talk) 16:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your apology, but the only reason you did it was because you got caught. Wait and see what an admin does, then promise not to do it again.  You shouldn't lose sleep over it. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:43, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Valparaiso, Indiana history section
Hi, I'm hoping you can help me understand how to appropriately source the assertion that Valparaiso, Indiana (my home town) purposefully excluded racial minorities for much of its past. This is a major fact in the history of a town.

I have cited two authoritative sources. One is a registry of sundown towns curated by a university professor who is cited for his work in the Wikipedia page on Sundown Towns. While it may appear a personal website, it is a research product and a registry that is now maintained by others since the original professor passed away. Note at the bottom of home page for the registry, it says "This site was created by Matt Cheney, copyrighted by James W. Loewen and heirs (Nick Loewen) 1997-2021, and is maintained by Phil Huckelberry and Stephen Berrey. Hosted by Tougaloo College, Tougaloo, MS, 39174 and facilitated by Pantheon."

The second source is a book about the history of housing discrimination in Valparaiso, Indiana with specific focus on an early African-American family that began to integrate the town. It was written in 1984, much closer to the time period in question and details a litany of exclusionary measures taken earlier by town residents. While the book review may not use the term "sundown town", citing it supports the statement that Valparaiso "exclud[ed] non-white people through the use of racially biased ordinances and intimidation." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyattgclarke (talk • contribs) 19:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. A bibliographic listing on Worldcat isn't a source. A reader can't go to that site and say, ah yes, Valperaiso was a sundown town.  There's no text there.  And the second source looks like a personal webpage for a professor.  I'm not doubting this place was a sundown town; I'm just asking for a reliable source supporting that.  You are welcome to start a discussion on the article's talk page and get input from others. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. I'll come back to this later when I have more time and either re-word the edit to fit the citations or add more authoritative sources. That said, how do you cite a book then, if what I did isn't good enough?
 * It wasn't the way you sourced it, it was what you sourced. The source needs to be a reliable one, and it needs to support what you are asserting.  The actual style looks like this:
 * Have a look at Help:Referencing for beginners. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Rockport, TX | notable people | Pete Peterson
Hi, about a year ago I added Francis Preston "Pete" Peterson -- competitive surfer, accomplished waterman, consultant and stuntman in film -- to the list of notable people associated with the Rockport, Texas on the page for that town. I included references to two articles online, both of which mention that he came from Rockport and describe his many "legendary" accomplishments and status as a national champion, as a surfer, waterman, innovative designer of boats and surfboards, etc.

The latter article also points to numerous other references crediting his national reputation and widely-recognized prowess.

I'm not expert enough at reading edit logs on Wikipedia to be certain, but it appears that you deleted his mention several months later, perhaps along with others, with the comment "not notable".

I'm inclined to reinstate him in that list, but thought I'd ask first for you to elaborate on your judgement that he is (or was) not notable. Or, given that you appear to be much more experienced than I am at arbiting Wikipedia standards (I think this was only my second ever edit to a Wikipedia article), is there something specific about the way that I describe him in that one line, or the citations I included, that could be changed to make his notability more apparent or more accomodating of Wikipedia standards?

I included him after a fair bit of digging through historical records, and becoming fascinated by his accomplishments, and especially fascinated by the fact that his association with Rockport (his family ran hotels in that area) was not known to current Rockport "elders" with whom I'd discussed Mr. Peterson.

Otrabanda (talk) 21:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for writing. I removed him because he is not notable, per WP:USCITIES. One option would be to create an article about him.  A second option is to start a discussion on the article's talk page and see if you can get a consensus of editors to agree to include him.  I hope this help. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and suggestions, I'll ponder my options. Otrabanda (talk) 20:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Chariton, Iowa
Can you tell Chariton, Iowa what was missing about my revision to the article from Chariton, Iowa. I am from the area and know it well. I am not sure how to cite references for common things such as railroads and highways as well as airports that are generally known by virtue of being from the area. I thought the article could use a little more description. Please tell me what to do in these situations so it passes muster.

I am from the area and know it well. I am not sure how to cite references for common things such as railroads and highways as well as airports that are generally known by virtue of being from the area. I thought the article could use a little more description. Please tell me what to do in these situations so it passes muster.
 * Thanks for writing. When I located the map you were referring to, it didn't say anything about a bypass from the 1960s.  I've trimmed the edit down again. If you have a source that actually mentions the history of the highways in the area, that would be the best way to include the information again.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I have spend an hour trying to find how to talk with you again. I have thought long and hard about this and I want to close my account. When I get into the into the inside of Wikipedia, I looked at other peoples interactions and there is so much animosity and backbiting (inflammatory statements from superusers that people are vandalizing accounts, etc.) that it makes me very uncomfortable. I do not care for the things I have read and the ways people are treated. I used to think that I would like to do this as a hobby and have a number of articles that I have improved, but I cannot stand the strife and I am always afraid I will be the next target of someone. It makes me very uncomfortable and this is not how I want to spend my retirement years. I will continue to contribute financially to Wikipedia because I believe in it but I do want my account closed, deactivated, made invisible or whatever you do to remove me as an active editor and make it so I cannot edit anymore. If it invalidates all the articles I have edited so be it. Please make it so, I can not figure it out and am so confused trying to do this
 * I have responded on your talk page. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I still can not figure out how to close my account from the link you sent. Can you refer me to someone that can help me with this

Lincoln and Omaha Nebraska revisions
I'm not sure why standards are being applied to my edits differently from the rest of the content. None of the ethnic groups listed in "other" are referenced with citations, but they are allowed to stay, while mine is removed for lack of citation. Similarly, many of the cities in the category in question do not mention Ukrainians specifically in the main article, yet the category is allowed to remain for those communities, but it is removed for Omaha and Lincoln. Further, the Ethnic groups article for Omaha does already mention immigration from Kiev, which is the capitol of Ukraine. Reference to the German-American Society is exactly as given by another editor in the main article, which has not been removed, but my reference to it under Ethnic groups for Omaha, where I believe it belongs, was removed. In addition, it seems a bit much to have to prove the existence of an ethnic group in a city through outside sources or citation is scholarly papers. If that ethnic group has been quiet and hasn't had a feature story in a newspaper of record, how is one to prove the existence? Despite the fact that they currently have an operating church, a physical building with an address, which exists, a website for that church, an ethnic Association which doesn't get in the news much except in passing mention, but none of these are a satisfactory citation or proof. Well, some of the ethnic groups mentioned in the same article don't even have that much, and no citation for their existence, no doubt due to the same difficulty, yet their mention seems acceptable and is allowed to remain. I'm just not seeing a consistent application of the rules here. --Kozulich (talk) 21:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to make those corrections. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what corrections you are suggesting? Kozulich (talk) 21:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * All the unsourced content you described above. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

That would be malicious. It would be deliberately making the Wikipedia article less accurate and less informative - less honest, in short, since I would be deliberately removing information I know to be true, simply because though easy to verify, it is virtually impossible to cite. I don't think that is the intent of Wikipedia. I know that there are Lithuanian and Serb and Croatian communities in Omaha, because I know them and have been in their halls, and sang in their choirs, eaten in their homes and celebrated at their festivals. But there is no qualifying citation for that. However, I will not maliciously remove that information knowing that the result will be a less accurate and less balanced article. Kozulich (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

"interactive" Map changes w/o discussion - would like to hear your thoughts
Hi Magnolia, Hope all is very well with you. A new editor, SkunkaMunka, has been replacing numerous maps to an "interactive map" -- sometimes these new maps don't even geolocate to the correct city (see Colorado Springs map that geolocated to Denver - [I reverted]). I feel like this editor might be trying to make improvements, but don't yet understand how things work on WP (AGF) or there might be something else going on (?). Either way, they really need to use the talk pages before making these types of changes. The reason I'm contacting you is that I noticed that you had some interactions with them on other geographic articles, so it seems you are a good person to contact for insight. Thanks and best, Netherzone (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there a central discussion about this someplace? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I was curious about that as well, but couldn't find anything (but that doesn't mean that a central discussion does not exist). I searched the archives of WikiProject Maps, WikiProject Geography and WikiProject Infobox and did not see anything. All I know about it on SM's talk page where I started a discussion. Netherzone (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing controversy
Hi Magnolia677, I've seen some users complain about your reverting of edits in the past, and although I have no special powers, I wanted to weigh in so it could be resolved in an amicable way.

In the discussions I have seen, you revert previous edits by other users, since the information they provide doesn't include citations. When you do this, I don't believe you are following the guidelines layed out in Disruptive editing. While the page does say that disruptive editing is disruptive regardless of intention, it refers to information that is not verifiable, not relevant, first-hand, mis-interpreted, etc. Some edits like the one at Hampton Falls, New Hampshire are cleary impartial data that comes from a source. If the user, however, forgets to cite the source, you can use citation needed tags, or leave a message on their talk page to make sure they read it.

Even if a disruptive editing warning were appropriate, you should use a level 1 template, when the edit is bona fide. If it is not clear whether there was malicious intent, Wikipedia policy is to generally assume good faith (WikiProject User warnings/Usage and layout). Wikipedia warns that not all disruptive editing is vandalism, and the Wikipedia:Disruptive editing explicitly mentions that editors shouldn't over-escalate situation clearly not vandalism, in order toavoid driving away users. Thank you and happy editing! Ktvptf (talk) 18:18, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. Please take a moment to read WP:V. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I do not think that page supports your argument. It recommends using citation needed tags instead of deleting, unless the information is particularly harmful (like living people). It also recommends providing a citation yourself if the information is ready at hand. If an edit is clearly verifiable, but you can't easily find a source that supports it, consider leaving a message to the user in their talk page so that they can fetch it themselves.

In any case, it doesn't really warrant a subst:Uw-disruptive3 tag. If you deem it necessary, you can delete the information to be restored later when the sources are available, but I don't really see the case for a disruptive editing tag that requires bad faith. Ktvptf (talk) 18:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:Washington County, Oklahoma ‎
Oglesby, Oklahoma does exist. I'm going to create a page on it. I've just made my ten edits; as soon as I've been on WP for four days I'll create the page.King Hilderic (talk) 15:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Lincoln, NE again...
I'm afraid I have to disagree again with your recent edits on Lincoln, Nebraska. Hanyou23 (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Note
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Hanyou23 (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing at this time... please stay tuned. Hanyou23 (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Concordia Parish
User: Magnolia677, Please review this link I am sending you and re-edit this page. The info you added might be so, but there is a Natchez, MS link on the web that has better history about Concordia Parish Louisiana. I did not add the link because this is well known information. Here is the link and please respond to this message, because I am insulted that true info I edited to this page has been changed and removed. https://www.natchez.ms.us/288/Don-Jose-Vidal?fbclid=IwAR1y0o4bvsMstHvCwDRp_g6J2NCiz-yfoMCW20zsEvgxaMeiaUwZXLye_WA.
 * I think you are talking about this edit. Based on the link you sent me, it looks like you copied the information word-for-word from this source.  This is not permitted.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

User:@Magnolia677 I am sorry, I didn't know this was the case. Can you please add the link to the page for resources. That way nothing is worded from somewhere else word for word. I sincerely apologize, however I still think the Concordia page is missing valuable historic information. Please edit this page and mention these facts. Thank you Spt1020
 * You are free to edit the page all you like. You just can't copy stuff word-for-word. Have a look at Help:Referencing for beginners.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, understood. Please read the edit on this page today and get back to me to know it's accepted. I would really rather not have a message showing of removal of my edit. I did not do any word-for-word on this edit so I think it should be okay. Thank you and thanks for sending me great helpful links! Cheers!

History section question (Roslyn Estates)
Hi Magnolia,

Quick question on something involving the Roslyn Estates history section.

One of the things which has been removed a couple of times was the following (there were citations): "In March 2011, Roslyn Estates held one of its most contested elections for Mayor, in which incumbent Susan Ben-Moshe lost by 10 votes to Jeffery Schwartzberg; Ben-Moshe received 178 votes while Schwartzberg received 188."

I know you said it's "not notable" in the history section but I am confused as to why that is. On the WP:USCITIES page, it recommends that topics which should be included in a history section include (but are not limited to) "occupying powers/transitions of power" and "events that shaped the community." The way I see it, the removed information quoted above fits both categories. There are many small villages on Long Island. Elections in tiny villages here on Long Island (like Roslyn Estates) can be very big deals when they become contested and/or contentious (like the one referenced in the removed material). In fact, they can become so dramatic or tight that major papers (i.e.: Newsday and sometimes even the New York Times) report on them.

I don't want to re-add it again without consulting you first. I feel it's notable but that's just my opinion. I'd love to hear and better understand why you feel the way you do about this removed material so I can better understand what is/isn't wise to put into this type of section.

Thanks, AITFFan1 (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you discuss this on the article talk page so other editors can also get involved? Ping me so I will see it.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! AITFFan1 (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Blues Trail Photos
I am happy to remove the captions from the Tommy Johnson photos, but they are otherwise clearly in line with the rest of the page. I otherwise do not appreciate the reverting without discussion, then demanding the same of me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ak198712 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion at Talk:Mississippi Blues Trail. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Plum, Pennsylvania
Here we go again. Magnolia677, I am asking you to please have some patience with the Wikipedia contributors and stop driving them away with your hasty deletions. Did you even read the content before you hit the revert button?

Plum borough, Pennsylvania, formerly Plum Township, is not a small dot on the map, a few streets surrounded by unoccupied rural landscape, but rather a region, nearly 29 sq miles to be exact. As such, it does have historical villages and communities within it. It is valuable and relevant to mention, briefly, *in the history section* that historical places existed within the boundaries of the township (now borough). These places appear on Google maps, were referenced from a reliable source, and give historical context to the current landscape. Comparing this borough to other boroughs within Pennsylvania, many others mention the current and historical villages and communities that lie within their borders. I therefore disagree with your statement, "This is unrelated to Plum". They are in Plum, they are related to Plum. It's not like they are big enough to get their own article, that would be silly. According to the guidelines, small entities that are not worthy of their own article can be mentioned in the article of their controlling jurisdiction. That would be Plum.Katrazyna (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have reverted my edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Katrazyna (talk) 05:41, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Phoenix, Arizona Reassessment
Phoenix, Arizona, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Redwood Shores, California
I would like to say that my (Wikinotmyname) edits to Redwood Shores, California are not promotional and are from valid websites, why should they be removed? Many other Wikipedia articles such as Los Altos Hills, California also contain similar statements and FACTS. Please elaborate more on your judgment that this addition to the article, "The Redwood Shores ZIP code 94065 appeared on the 2015 Forbes list of America's most expensive ZIP codes, with a median home price of $1,138,699. (ref:https://www.forbes.com/sites/betsyschiffman/2015/11/10/full-list-most-expensive-zip-codes-in-2015/?sh=7e4bbae43693)" is considered promotional. I would like my edits to be added back as they were made in good faith with no ulterior motives. Thank you, Wikinotmyname
 * Thank you for writing. I will not revert your edit if you add it back, but will instead start a discussion about it on the article's talk page. I have one question for you though, why is that information important to Wikipedia's readers?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I wanted to let you know about the edit warring report for User:Wikinotmyname. Filetime (talk) 02:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

cfl players
seriously, why ruin all this good work ... man, you lifers on wiki are real mean and spiteful

A couple probable ghost towns along the Mississippi
I know you've worked on some on the Mississippi side, but would you happen to know about potential sources for a couple in Louisiana? While working on some articles related to the Vicksburg campaign, I've come across references to New Carthage, Louisiana and Duckport, Louisiana. Based on the mentions I'm finding in Vicksburg literature, New Carthage is almost certainly notable. There was a landing at Duckport, although there may have been a community as well. Unfortunately, the Vicksburg sources are mainly focused on when military operations were there, so it's hard to get a good view of the history of these places. Are you aware of any sources that could be used to maybe produce something at least start-class on New Carthage and something for Duckport if its notable? Hog Farm Talk 18:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. I created many of the articles listed at Category:Mississippi populated places on the Mississippi River, so if it was on the river I probably have a source. Duckport is mentioned on pages 153 and 155 in .  Bragg wrote a few books about the river, and most are in PDF online.  Let me keep looking. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The landing was notable during the war, and probably had a few people living there in shacks. See:. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:50, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hopefully I can get something at least start-class there, and I'm hoping to get Duckport Canal bluelinked as well. Hog Farm Talk 19:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Fillmore
I was not aware of that consensus. Thank you for letting me know. Masterhatch (talk) 18:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Detroit Satellite Image
I've updated the Satellite Image of Detroit is the lighting on this version better than the previous version in your opinion Wikihelp7586 (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. If you look back through the edit history to last January, you will see that a lot of editors worked hard to remove and improve the images on this article.  May I suggest you add a note on the talk page and get input?  It's a very active article.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm about to add the image to the talk pages for the Detroit and Metro Detroit Wikipedia page to get more opinions. Wikihelp7586 (talk) 23:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
Excuse me, I'm working on translating from spanish wikipedia and I'm taking special care to have as much references as I can. As you can see the actors and personalities whose articles I have created are consolidated personalities of the chilean culture, none of them are under 40 years old or has a minor scale career. I don't see how my editions "disrupts progress toward improving an article or building the encyclopedia". If you think there are possibilities to make them better please let me know, but threatening me about blocking me makes no sense to me. Tommy Boy (talk) 01:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My concern is that you continue to add huge amounts of unsourced content. At Renato Munster, when you were forced to add a source to support your edits, it showed that much of what you added was either unsourced or incorrect.  Adding unsourced content does not improve articles; it actually makes Wikipedia less reliable for its readers, and undermines the hard work of other editors who support their edits with reliable sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Moab, Utah movies
"According to the source cited, none of these were filmed in Moab; perhaps they can be added to the county article."

By that definition, none of the movies listed were filmed with Moab City limits and should be removed. Why just remove my edits? KazakDexter KazakDexter (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, if the movies weren't filmed in Moab, it would be inarticulate to keep them in the article. Would you have a moment to review the source, and delete those not filmed within city limits?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I believe the list should be kept and added to. So please delete them if that is your desire. KazakDexter (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty are not located in Hoboken, New Jersey, but they are both closer to Hoboken than all of the movie sites are to Moab. Should we add both those famous New York City landmarks to the Hoboken article? I mean, they're pretty close. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you've been to Moab. Anything within 30 miles is considered close. But that's not the question. The question is should the list be kept. If not, please correct the page. If the list is be kept then my edits should be included. KazakDexter (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * From a friendly talk page stalker: I have been to Moab, many times, and disagree that Anything within 30 miles is considered close. The article is about the city of Moab, which according to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 4.1 square miles. It is not an article about the surrounding area. I think that the list should only include films shot in Moab., if you want to create a new article of "Films shot in areas near Moab, Utah" you are free to do so. Netherzone (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I lived there but that's moot. Can you then remove the list of films on the Moab page. I do not believe any on the list were filmed within city limits. KazakDexter (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm very sorry but am working on other projects that are higher priority right now and don't have time to check each one. If you do not know how to remove the others, you can ask for help at the WP:Teahouse. All best, Netherzone (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I believe the list should be kept. If I redo my edits will they be taken down but not the rest of the movies even though they are incorrect for the same reason? KazakDexter (talk) 19:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone, what about creating a new article you mention "Films shot in areas near Moab, Utah" then linking to it from the Moab page. Best of both worlds? KazakDexter (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Let me suggest a workaround which would likely be of more benefit to readers. The "Moab to Monument Valley Film Commission" is located in Moab, and is a city department.

It is the oldest film commission in the world.

Readers would benefit from knowing about the commission, and it would be perfectly acceptable to say "the commission has overseen the production of several movies filmed near Moab, including...".

I suggest it be placed in the "economy" section of the article. I also don't think the commission is notable enough for its own article.

Sources are a mix of primary and secondary, but the uniformity of information supports their reliability. See:. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * An excellent suggestion! Netherzone (talk) 16:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Magnolia677, a question. Would you list all movies filmed near Moab or just a few? I've found my desire to document every piece of information on a subject is not the Wikipedia way. I think a complete listing would be correct, instead of a judgement of the movies to list. But I'd like your opinion. KazakDexter (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's see what the sources support. I'm not around much the next several days, but if you're ok with this idea, it's easy to get it started.  Likely several movie titles could be included, and a unique feature of Moab could be shared with readers. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, made the edits. Left film listing where it was but changed to Moab area. KazakDexter (talk) 20:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Made the edits. Left the film list where it was but changed to area around Moab. Did not add any films. I suspect others will. KazakDexter (talk) 20:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Anderson Landing, Mississippi for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Anderson Landing, Mississippi is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Anderson Landing, Mississippi until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. –dlthewave ☎ 21:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
That square area is precisely the extent of the National Topographic System map with that ID. There was no way for that extent to be exhibited, so I had to create one. And apparently NRCan's website does not like CGNDB links to be accessed like that. --  Denelson83  21:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Has there been a consensus someplace to add these external links to the infoboxes of Canadian city articles? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would have preferred a solution for NTS map sheets internal to Wikimedia projects, such as using WikiMiniAtlas, but there isn't one. I have asked for such a solution to be implemented, and what I created in the interim was the next best thing. --  Denelson83  21:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board. It's a very active board.  I'm concerned about the infobox clutter, the dead links, and the completely unnecessary map.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not consider such a map unnecessary. It would be useful for a better understanding of the NTS. --  Denelson83  21:59, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When a Wikipedia reader visits the New Glasgow article, why is it important for them to learn about NTS? If they wanted to learn about NTS, wouldn't they have just searched for the National Topographic System article?
 * I did not say it was important. I only wanted to make it possible.  But if you think it is so unimportant, then why not just remove the NTS and CGNDB references from all the city articles? --  Denelson83  00:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Bean Station, Tennessee GA Reassessment
Bean Station, Tennessee, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:00, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Monongalia County WV
30 minutes ago you removed the "& Politics" from the "Government & Politics" section title. I, however, intentionally did it that way, as this is also seen at other county wikipedia pages (sometimes in combination with police/policing or law, sometimes not) if anything related to both politics and government is mentioned. See for example Harris County: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas or Gwinnett County: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwinnett_County,_Georgia Therefore I will edit it back. If you, after reading this, still disagree, I'd like to hear from you why. Sincerely, Ludeejee (talk) 18:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for writing. If you look at Gwinnett County, Georgia, you will see it written "Government and politics". Wikipedia uses a formal style of writing which avoids ampersands, and only the first word in a section title is in upper case.  Also, because there is no guideline for county articles, the heading "government and politics" is arbitrary, so my question to you is, how will readers benefit more from "government and politics" than from "government"? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand the grammar part that was wrong, therefore I changed it. I do believe that a heading that says "Government and politics" is better than just "Government" since it concerns both issues. The first part of the topic is the government. How is the county governed and by whom? The second part concerns the politics of the county. How did the county vote in presidential elections from 1912-2020? Is it a Democratic/Republican stronghold or is it a swing county? What is the trend that the county's election results are following? Etc. I believe that that's significantly different from each other to justify naming both in the heading as opposed to naming just one. Sincerely, Ludeejee (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Why are you changing the school’s wikipedia?
The link worked fine for me and i dont see whats wrong with linking to what the clubs belong to?
 * Please take a moment to read WP:ELMINOFFICIAL and WP:LINKFARM. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

White Latin Americans article
Hi Magnolia677, if you have the time would you mind taking a look at the White Latin Americans article, I'm currently reading on Latin American history and am concerned that the article is riddled with errors by a number of editors to promote a certain image of Latin America that is not based in fact. For example, some of the facts and figures in the Mexico section are really vague and evidently false, (often contradicting US government statistics) however any edits make to correct it are frequently reverted by these editors who go on to provide dubious sources in Spanish. As a result, the article in very unencyclopedic and cannot be relied upon as a resource for academic study. Would you be able to take a look at this or contact an editor who can? Thanks!

Update: School district demographics
If had ready access to a reliable source of this data, the way that the person who obviously created most of the school district articles did years ago, I would gladly help to do that. For now, I am hoping that there are people who live in most of the districts who will at least see this and update the one for their county/city/area. These data have mostly been apparently untouched for over a dozen years, and recognizing the problem is the first step to correcting it – certainly not the be all and end all of correcting it. 22:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have to live in a place to edit the Wikipedia article about the place. Please have a look at this. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Question
Hi Magnolia677, Thanks for adding the great photo of Bertha Tapper! I noticed that you reverted my reflist/default sort. Am I doing that incorrectly? What is the right way to do it? Thanks T. E. Meeks (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. When you added those, you inadvertently deleted the sections I had just added.  I added the default sort back.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

PEOC I did not remove information
Do you have Against All Enemies the book? The page and other pages state

"He [Norman Mineta]] did not know where they were that day. I (Richard Clark) suggested he join the Vice President."(Cheney who was already in the PEOC) So therefore, Mineta was in the PEOC.

Condo951795 (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The source cited is page 18 from this book. I don't see the passage you are referring to.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Neither do I see the list of personnel in the link you provided. Instead of reverting, you should update. I will. No ping pls Condo951795 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your input and perhaps you can help further
Thank you for your input and perhaps you can help further. I have written this on David Eppstien's talk page. He hasn't answered, perhaps you will. thanks

Why would you remove the link on the Redding California page that I re-inserted. The local information provided had been provided on this very page for many years and recently updated. And while you were at it you removed others from local subjects that again were providing information and photos of the beauty that surrounds our area.

Redding CA “Places of Interest” with images and information of the surrounding beauty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejlewis (talk • contribs) 20:53, 9 September 2021 (UTC) You are a spammer and I am removing your spam. The match between your editor name and the name of the realtor listed on those links is telling. In addition, by failing to declare your conflict of interest in this matter, you are violating Wikipedia's policy on undeclared paid edits. You should not be promoting your real estate company by spamming links to it to Wikipedia articles. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC) I am not a spammer, feel free to contact me! Just a local resident who has spent a great deal of time putting together helpful information for people who are interested in the Redding area. Did you take the time to look at the link?? This is exactly the type of content that I am regularly complimented on and it has been a part of the Wikipedia site for many years for good reason. NO one is being paid and I am not self serving in trying to sell these natural wonders.

If you want to see spam take a look a the "reference" section that includes a link to a gambling site. That is no added content for visitors at all. "City of Redding Flag". Retrieved August 19, 2017. As well as real estate based link with no value to the visitor.

Does your concept of self-serving also include c-span link directly above? It is a private enterprise showing local information, yet it is allowed stay?? How about Bethel Church making their own page to self serve. How far down this rabbit hole is reasonable? Apparently, you and I differ on this. Value added for a visitor is the goal of internet pages worth reading and this is what I have provided on this page and previously many others that are included in the “places of Interest” portion of my website. I’m sorry if you don’t see the helpfulness in this type of content. You are the first in all these years on Wikipedia to do this so I’m a bit flabbergast!!
 * Instead of asking the same (long) question of me, User:XOR'easter, and User:David Eppstein, please take a moment to read WP:EL where a consensus of editors have defined what external links are appropriate. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, fortunately a conversation is occurring here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Redding_realtor This is not as superficial as saying I'm spam, a thoughtful response would have been helpful.
 * Thanks for letting me know! I left a comment there. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hamilton, Ohio
Please stop...

https://news.yahoo.com/2020-census-much-did-population-141400757.html
 * Thank you for writing. Sources must be added as "inline citations".  Please see WP:V for details.  Sources cannot be added to the edit summary.  If you need help, please see Help:Referencing for beginners.  I would strongly suggest you not revert edits in order to re-add unsourced content.  Also, "The US Census should be the primary source of demographic data", per WP:USCITIES. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

This information was directly from the 2020 census, I provided you with the source. Instead of erasing factual information, perhaps you should assist in making it sourced to wiki's standards. Otherwise you look like a megalomaniac.

Snowbowl photo
Please note that if Snowbowl photo is not deemed to be in Flagstaff area (even though referenced in article), then you should also remove photo of Grand Canyon and the winter scene in the climate section, as neither of these are in Flagstaff proper. Please be consistent, thanks

re: tardy furniture murders - winona, ms
Hello friend! I noticed you removed some information I added regarding the Tardy Furniture murders under the premise of it being “unnecessary.” I would like to respectfully disagree. Our city has been living in the shadow of the Flowers’ trials and subsequent aftermath since 1996, and it is an often discussed topic. The content I added was unbiased, fair and neutral information related to the facts of the matter more recently. I would kindly ask that this information is restored or a better explanation is given as to why it was removed and what your connection to the matter may or may not be for transparency.

Thank you and god bless MudMag (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC) MudMag (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. I read it over a few times first and it seemed to add undue weight.  Wikipedia is written for a wider audience who may not need to know all the details of a local event.  If you want, add a message to the article's talk page and get input from others. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: I can see your argument fully if there was a bias, but it was a case that garnered national attention— all the way up to the Supreme Court. Wikipedia, although written for a wider audience, is a wealth of knowledge and often times a center-point for verification of these events. Given that Mr. Flowers was tried six times in total, a very unprecedented act, and the nature of the situation as a whole, I feel it is an injustice to omit the very few details that were actually added. Until this impasse is resolved, I ask that you promptly restore these edits in good faith and I will gladly create a discussion on the talk page asking for further opinions from other trusted editors. MudMag (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Natick High School
I am not trying to vandalize the Natick High School page, I am trying to add an Infobox college athletics template (even though it's a high school) on the page. Sorry about that. Do you want me to cite where the facilities are and/or is there something else wrong with that? Please let me know and again I am incredibly sorry. I am just trying to help.
 * The template is too big for the article, but other high schools use it so it's not a problem. Please add reliable secondary sources to the article to support the information in the template.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok that makes more sense. Thank you very much and I will try to find sources for the locations (for the logo I have two sources for that).

History of reverting edits
First and foremost, one of the fundamental principles of the Wikipedia community is to assume good faith, as I hope you know. Taking a look through your talk page, it seems that you don't like to abide by this policy and will delete new edits if they are unsourced, rather than contributing a source yourself or adding the {citation needed} tag. I come in peace, but I am curious about your style. What are your thoughts on taking a "Yes, and..." approach to editing rather than instinctively reverting edits if they're not perfect from the outset? Isn't Wikipedia on the whole always imperfect, and the goal to improve it together, bit by bit? --Sweetstache (talk) 00:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A cornerstone of Wikipedia is that it does not accept original research, which is why it is best always add sourced content. If you have concerns about other specific edits, I would suggest opening a discussion on the relevant talk page.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Old Christian Place, Texas for deletion
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Fairbank, Iowa
Do you want to move the Fairbank, Iowa discussion over to one of the following talk pages (or some other location) to get more involvement or do you want to invite more people to comments at Talk:Fairbank,_Iowa ??? • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 22:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities - maybe here?
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline - I not sure if enough editors will comment on it here?
 * That's a good idea. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 08:30, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Order of Announcements of Miss International 2016
please listen to me are do not remove in this results including top 15, then 4th to 1st runners-up, and then miss international 2016 thank you.

please listen to me do not remove in this results including top 15, then 4th to 1st runners-up, and then miss international 2016 because this is sourced content!
 * Where is the source? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

there is the source of order of announcements including top 15, then 4th to 1st runners-up, and then the winner of miss international 2016 but please note are do not remove order of announcements at Miss International 2016 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_International_2016#Order_of_announcements
 * If you look at the section, Miss International 2016, it is completely unsourced. Are you talking about this source? Magnolia677 (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
....for adding the ref on the Trudeau article. I said I'd do it but didn't get to it yesterday. Littleolive oil (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 32 percent of the popular vote, and he says "I speak for all Canadians...". Ay caramba! Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Notable People, Maple Heights and Brooklyn Heights, Ohio
Not sure why you feel it is necessary to undo my work on these. All of the people I listed on the Maple Heights page except one are grads of Maple Heights High School. I went to school with two of them, Bruce Grooms (who is a legend in Maple Heights for his accomplishments) and Dale Mohorcic. My brother graduated with Ric Ocasek. Len Kosmalski was captain of the MH Mustangs basketball team. Mike Milkovich, for whom there is no Wikipedia article, is in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame, winning 10 state championships as coach at Maple Heights. teaching at the high school 27 years. https://nwhof.org/news/distinguished-member-mike-milkovich-passes-away

As for Masin, who you indicate "only went to school there... " Good grief, how picky do you want to be? Look at the Charleroi, PA page. It mentions that Olive Thomas (movie actress) is from Charleroi. That's it. But on the Charleroi page it certainly lists her as one its notable people.

As far as Brooklyn Heights, where I now reside, there are "Home of" signs for Kelli Stack when you enter the Village, and Flip Saunders was also a legend (father passed away only a few years ago). Both attended Cuyahoga Heights High School - all Brooklyn Heights, Valley View and Cuyahoga Heights, Ohio students attend this school system. The villages, while suburbs of Cleveland, are small. Typical graduating classes at the high school are less the 80. If you wish I will take a pic of the Kelli Stack sign and put it on her page, and find an article for Saunders that shows where he grew up, add it to his article and footnote it.

I grew up in Maple Heights, live in Brooklyn Heights. I'm proud of both places. I've been a Wikipedian for a long time and I take my work seriously. I'm not doing this to play around. Please respect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apfenn1 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I believe you are being purposely vague. Define "significant." If one's growing up in a community and graduating high school from that community's school district isn't "significant" and defines one's home town, I don't know what is.

I'm recently retired and had been hoping to work on many Wikipedia articles. Reverts such as yours certainly take the joy and spirit out of what had been such a collaborative effort for so long. If the Wikipedia demigods deem it, it must be so, I suppose. I certainly am not inclined to bother as much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apfenn1 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. A consensus of editors have agreed on criteria for inclusion in "notable people" sections.  The person should be notable (ie. have a Wikipedia article), and have either been born in the city, or lived there for a significant amount of time.  Please see WP:USCITIES for details. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's say that instead of spending part of your retirement volunteering at Wikipedia, you instead decided to volunteer at a local food bank, where your supervisor says, "just remember, one can of tuna per person". Then you see someone who you feel deserves two cans, so you give them two, and then the volunteer supervisor politely admonishes you. So instead of saying, "ok, you have rules for volunteers, I need to follow them"...instead you start pushing back and questioning the rules, because you feel you're right.  At some point you'll be told to hit the road, because the rules have been agreed upon long before your arrived.  Same with Wikipedia...lots of rules that have been agreed upon.  If you don't like them, then propose a change, but don't push back against a volunteer who believes in them and enforces them, because that volunteer--like me--probably cares way more about the integrity of Wikipedia then they ever will about your feelings.  Again, thank you for writing and I hope this addresses your concern. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the lecture. I haven't had one of those since mom died 25 years ago, so I was due. Let's cut to the chase - go to the "Garfield Heights, Ohio" page on Wikipedia and explain to me how the "Notable People" entries on that page are any different than the ones I entered for Maple Heights and Brooklyn Heights. Garfield Heights is located between these two cities, in case you care. What are you going to do? Eliminate the "Notable People" section in Garfield Heights? My point is, if this is your "cause," you have a lot of work ahead of you on Wikipedia with all of the "Notable People" sections. Have at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apfenn1 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey User:Apfenn1, you need to start signing all of your comments in talk section, per WP:SIGNATURE. Also, you need read Civility, if you haven't already read it.   •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 06:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Council Virginia
You really messed the page up now... they are no industrial complex in Council Virginia.. you guys are absolutely crazy.. you need stop acting like god and deleting peoples work..because you have got all lies on the page now Trespassingintothewild (talk) 12:11, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Council Virginia
Please don’t erase my edits! I added a reliable article and county website links..WTF Trespassingintothewild (talk) 13:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

http://www.uszipcodelist.com/city/Council-VA.html That’s a reliable source ! On the water and land. Sq miles Trespassingintothewild (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Reverting spree
Hello. It's good to see you again. I see you have been busy. However, I am curious why you hit that revert button again (and again) with no explanation at all. Thirteen pages reverted but not the matching three more? Either you have an explanation of the difference or you are slacking on your thoroughness. Just curious about your line of reasoning.Katrazyna (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I just put a casserole in the oven, and then got distracted. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Demographic sections of New York towns
Hi Magnolia677. While I was about fixing citation errors and came across a town where the estimation year and qty had been removed (causing the cite error). I've come across this before and it's usually resulted in your reverting all the changes. To be clear I don't mind as long as the error is gone. Anyway 208.83.126.66 has made these same edits to different articles. I've already fixed the cite errors, but thought you might want to look at the edits. Is this some kind of long term nonsense? 89.241.33.89 (talk) 22:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Shortly after posting that I created an account. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "It's usually resulted in your reverting all the changes". Can you give me an example? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Evansville, Indiana and Elkhart, Indiana. In both instances a different IP added 2020 demographics and removed est year / est qty, I added the last two back to fix a cite error, and you revered back to the original state. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I was the last person to edit Elkhart, Indiana and there is currently no cite error. As well, this was my last edit to Evansville, Indiana.  Can you tell me where the cite error is? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I haven't explained well enough. There isn't a current cite error. An IP editor who appears to be switch IPs regularly edits articles to add 2020 population figures, he always removes the |estyear= and |estimate= fields as well. This causes a cite error. I spot the cite error, and add the fields back. You revert to before the problem occured. I'm not saying you're causing an issue, the other IP is. I was wondering if you had seen the particular editting pattern (eg the field removal) before. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 10:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. My concern is that the edits you are making to fix the problem are actually making it worse. As an example, look at Gates, New York.  The IP editor removed the 2019 estimate, and added a 2020 population.  This caused a citation error. But the real problem with the IPs edit was that it was unsourced.  At that point you could have reverted it; or tagged it as "citation needed"; or gone to the website for the US census and found a source to support the 2020 population which the IP added without a source.  Instead, you added back the 2019 estimate.  This fixed the cite error, but now the article has two errors instead of one.  First, the 2020 population figure is unsourced.  And second, the article has a 2020 population figure, and a projected population for 2019.  Why would readers went a 2019 estimate, if a genuine census figure is available for 2020? Magnolia677 (talk) 10:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I see. In future I'll revert or add CN tags. Thanks ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 10:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * All good. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Magnolia677
So if you read fiction books about Ridgewood, NJ or Keyser, WV, it would NEVER occur to you that they should be included in the “In Popular Culture” sections of the respective towns? Who the heck knows what else you are censoring or incorrectly editing? Good luck to you, I hope that you have other things going on in your life other than policing Wiki. JF Krizan (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked for indications of notability for the book, and found only this and . Please take a moment to read WP:BK and WP:IPC.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Origin of St. Catharines name
It is valuable to compile information regarding the origin of the name of St. Catharines, since information is available in sources yet was not on the wikipedia page. You said it did not meet the principle of "balance" because "Half the history section should not be about the name of the place." It was not half of the history section. The information provided was well-cited; if you believe it was too long, I encourage you to make edits (or add to the history section). It is inappropriate remove the entire section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbotsavoy (talk • contribs) 16:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There already is a paragraph in the article about the origin of the name. I don't see a need to add more, but if you do, please expand the paragraph.  But if you again add 95,424 bytes of text about the origin of the city's name, you will almost certainly get reverted again by one editor or another.  You are a new editor; please be respectful of established norms.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I have added a revised version back into the page. It is substantially shorter than before, which I hope meets the balance criterion you had cited for its removal. I believe this smaller version is an improvement, so I am glad you provided the opportunity to revise it. (to correct a point: I had only added 6,500 bytes; the total for the page was 95,000.) Abbotsavoy (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Future concerts at stadiums
Hi,

I have been editing Wikipedia pages of stadiums RHCP will perform in 2022. So firstly, i edited it and you removed it because it was unsorced. Although, no other concerts on these pages were sourced, I can understand. Then, when i added adequate source, you removed it with excuse that lists are clearly for past events. But the problem is they are not. It does not say anywhere. And search some other stadiums and arenas, majority will have future events if there is anything scheduled. This is officialy announced tour and will happen. So i will revert all your edits now, and please stop removing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball

Thanks Luckyfish4212 (talk) 15:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes it wasn't only by the CIA
Yes i actually saw my mistake when i looked at the Sr-71 it also was operated by the U.S Airforce my bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki person that edits (talk • contribs) 22:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

San Marcos CA
Please explain in the text who "Major Merriam" is, seeing as you insist upon leaving out an entire graf which puts future references such as that one in proper context? --72.197.197.39 (talk) 21:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC) (SchutteGod, not logged in)
 * You are welcome to remove that section (or better...find a source to support it). It's been tagged as unsourced for a while now. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey
Why are you like this, why should we add references if there is no article about that but they is a proof of that they realesed song on streaming platforms .you dont need a source to prove that they work with certain  artist if you can just find the music on the streaming platform. you south African are unprofessional check American artist there is no source om associated acts. Cause music is already realesed to everyone. You just want to delete cause you can? Kandyname (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

South Burlington, Vermont - City of
Magnolia677 - you deleted all my edits. I updated the census data and provided citations for it. You deleted all my edits included those that had citations. Which edits did you need citations for? Be specific and don't delete everything.575Dorset (talk) 18:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Listen Bossy Betty...don't add sloppy half-sourced edits and others won't delete them. Capish? Magnolia677 (talk) 18:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Do I have to add each piece bit by bit and hit publish so that all work is not erased? I didn't cite items which didn't have sources previously. All of the census data had updated guidance.  I removed a business that no longer is located in south burlington, clarified that Harry Bliss no longer lives here, and rewrote a sentence on the incorporation which made to clarify when we were incorporated.  Thank you for your guidance.575Dorset (talk) 18:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * hey User:575Dorset, at this point when there are editor conflicts, it's best to split up edits into related topics. Make edits to a section or topic, then move to another section or topic, then repeat.  •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 19:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Can you plz answer the question, what should i do to prove that certain artists have worked together ,,,if no blog or media wrote about their collaboration but music they released is already on streaming platforms. " I saw that you deleted my associated acts edit " and plz give me link to article where they added source on that category. Kandyname (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. If nothing has been published about a particular subject, then any information added is unsourced, and Wikipedia does not accept original research. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

On unsourced content
Please stop reverting my edits just because I forgot to add the sources in. DENBRO1995 (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * At Clark County, Idaho, you reverted my edit, and added a source that now supports your edit, but it says you accessed the source in 2014? How did you access 2020 census data in 2014?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I changed the source. Good day. DENBRO1995 (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please answer my question. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I did not access the source in 2014. I went on the census.gov and looked for population info. That's how I got the source. Now stop wasting my time. DENBRO1995 (talk) 21:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to fix the cite error you created at Clark County, Idaho. You have linked to an archived copy that doesn't exist, and it says you accessed the source six years before it was published.  Another editor will come along, look at this sloppy edit, and assume it is unsourced.  Please fix the errors you created.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Fine, I fixed it! DENBRO1995 (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, with this edit at Prairie County, Montana, you wrote it was "the fifth-least populous county in Montana". What was your source to support this?  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

See the List of counties in Montana article, mister. DENBRO1995 (talk) 23:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I also made the same mistake of leaving 2020 census data unsourced on the Southwest Ranches, Florida article. I now added a citation and updated the source. Arecaceæ2011 (talk) 22:55, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Now, you also reverted an edit I made to the sentence "Because the area has many horse ranches and is located in the southwestern part of Broward County, residents chose "Southwest Ranches" over other potential town names." I would like to point out this claim itself is unsourced and no one has questioned it on that page. The edit I made, was merely to change "southwestern part of Broward County" to "southwestern part of urbanized Broward County"; I know the previous wording to be technically incorrect (and I can verify that by looking at a map of the county) and I was merely correcting this technicality. I don't know how I would cite a map to make that change to the sentence. I should find a source for the entire claim itself (which I did not write) and I will look for one, but don't think it made much sense to just revert my edit. Arecaceæ2011 (talk) 23:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Willowdale edition wrongfully deleted
Hi Magnolia677, I edited the demography section of Willowdale page as it was outdated, it was for 2006 and I updated to the last information published available which the numbers and percentages are totally changed! You have reverse it back to 2006, I live in the neighbourhood and I think the information should be updated! I object your deletion of my edit and my reference and ask you to bring back my edt and reference! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saman homes (talk • contribs) 01:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I thought the message on your talk page would have been enough to discourage you, but you seem determined to add a link on Wikipedia to a foreign-language real estate website for "Saman Homes", which by coincidence, is your user name.  At this point you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than you have of ever getting that link back on a Wikipedia article, so I would suggest instead you change your user name, and then read some of the wonderful welcome pages for new users, so you may see where your interests and talents may can be of benefit.  I hope this addresses your concern. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

That is interesting that you donot recognize even that you quote" foreign-language " is Farsi who are the majority of the Willowdale residents are talking! The outdated information give false clue in a public page that are searching our site and asking us why in Wikipedia Willowdale demography is different than what you and government says! I am giving true and updated info to this page so when people are investing their money somewhere they know where it goes to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saman homes (talk • contribs) 14:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Demographic information should be obtained from the most recent Canadian census, not from your company website. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Naperville, Illinois, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. '' It's correct info, from the 2020 US census, he just didn't cite it. Also, it has sources in other places of the article.'' Lectrician2 (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edit. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with Citing sources.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

South Kingstown article
I do believe you removed my addition of Sergeant William Grant Fournier from the list of "Notable people" in the South Kingstown, Rhode Island article. I do have a source to prove he lived in South Kingstown, however it's the only existing source. Scroll down and he's on there, right below Corporal Champagne and above General Rodman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SusImposter49 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. A real hero.  You have to wonder where his life would have taken him.  Please add him back, and if you have trouble adding the reference just leave me a message and I'll take care of it.  Thanks for writing. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Care Free Acres, Virginia


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Editor adding poorly sourced material to train articles
Hi, I noticed your warnings on Hobbitschuster's talke page right after I left them an AGF reminder not to cite things with bare URLs. You may want to take a look at their edits to Trailer-on-flatcar. I don't speak German, but based on the issues at Double-stack rail transport I'd say there's a good chance what they added isn't supported by the references they added. Thanks! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:57, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Park County, Colorado
Hi,

I am a graduate student working on a project to embed images from the Park County Local History Digital Archive into relevant Wikipedia articles. All images that I have uploaded to the following articles have been since removed: Shawnee, Colorado; Alma, Colorado; Fairplay, Colorado. All of the images I contributed are historical photographs from those locations. None of it is spam or irrelevant material. Why are my contributions being undone? Thanks! Calliebcherry (talk) 22:07, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. I left edit summaries which were very clear and mentioned WP:IG.  Many of the images you added were decorative, low-quality, or unnecessary, and contributed little to Wikipedia.  Please take a moment to look at some of the 12,171 images I have uploaded to the Commons.  Notice how frequently I have taken an old, low-quality image, improved it by cropping it or cleaning the yellow tint, and then uploaded it back to the Commons before adding it to a Wikipedia article.  You just added a bunch of crappy old images and moved on, because you're not getting marks for improving the images, just for shoveling them into Wikipedia articles.  Look at the two versions of this low-quality image you dumped into an article.  It took me two minutes to improve it.  I strongly urge you to read MOS:IMAGES.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your response. I’d like to explain that my edits and images that I’m adding are part of the collaborative project between the University of Denver of which I’m a graduate student, the Colorado State Library, and the Park County Local History Archive, maintained by the Park County Department of Cultural Heritage & Tourism. This is part of a broader project between Wikimedia and the Digital Public Library of America (DPLA). We contributed those images to Wikimedia via the DPLA and have been encouraged to add them to the Wikipedia pages. The historical images that I added to the pages for Shawnee, Colorado; Alma, Colorado; Fairplay, Colorado document the history of the towns in Park County and are intended to expand the coverage in the pages and make the images available to a wider audience. The community in Park County, Colorado, researchers, and students are very much interested in those unique historical photographs, and readers of Wikipedia will benefit from learning about the rich history of Park County and seeing the visual record. The historical photographs were collected by community members and volunteers of the Park County Local Archive and were recently digitized at high resolution for the digital archive. The images come from Park County Local History Digital Archive: https://pclha.cvlcollections.org/. The records are also in the Digital Public Library of America: https://dp.la/ . The images are of high quality.  Of course, some show signs of time as the original photographs are over 100 years old.  However, these are historical documents and should not be altered. I hope this provides some background for my edits. I’d appreciate it if you could reverse the changes and not delete my work. Calliebcherry (talk) 16:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who encouraged you to dump poor-quality images into Wikipedia articles, but MOS:IMAGES was created by a consensus of editors, and I strongly suggest you read and follow it. While I certainly appreciate your library donating images to the Commons, please realize that Wikipedia is not Facebook or your library's personal webpage, so only those images which are of high quality or improve Wikipedia will be included in articles.  Thank you again for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Celina, Texas edits
Hello! You removed the edits I made to the Celina, Texas page last week about Kenney Chesney visiting. Can you please explain why you did so? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heidimakb (talk • contribs) 09:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. You didn't link to the person or the song, so I figured both weren't notable.  But both actually have Wikipedia articles, so you please add the text back with a link to Kenny Chesney and "Find Out Who Your Friends Are".  It should also go into a section called "Media".  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:26, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense, thank you! I am new to this so I wasn't sure how to do so but I will make sure I know how before attempting any more edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heidimakb (talk • contribs) 02:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC) SFletch (talk) 16:08, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

the hidden comment thing, other issues
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Beeblebrox (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

birth date source
Hi,

Sorry, I am currently working maybe 300+ edits a day. So I must have missed that one, even though I am taking your concern very seriously, and always trying to ensure proper source/cited in the original article. I was not able to find one in this case, and so I deleted the offending edit that included a 1971 birth date. Thanks! Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Please don't undo the whole thing.
Please don't undo the whole thing. I must rewrite those all over again. It's not like the whole thing I just wrote was all reference-less. Imagine undo-ing the one where I changed "mini album" to "extended play" BaaBaaTheSheep ( talk •  ctb ) 15:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Responded
Hi Magnolia. Lets try and get some resolution to this at last please so I don't have an aneurysm over just trying to do "Notable people" edits and having all of my work reverted... over, and over again. I have tried AGAIN to seek consensus now at this page. Please comment and help to build the consensus that I somehow keep thinking we have, but very obviously I suppose I do not actually have... Thanks! Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 19:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me how/where you typically see the source that you are looking for on primary articles? As an example that you would approve of? I know it varies from page to page and article to article, and I really did not see how this is so critical on the "Notable people" list portion ONLY (I would 100% agree on the other hand that the information should be well cited on the article itself). Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you please answer this question too? Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 23:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced birthdates
Will you be going in to each article of each person you have reverted and then removing the birthdate if it is unsourced at the cite of the article? That is unsourced information too, no? Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:43, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Newark, Delaware was on my watchlist; I last edited the article in December 2020. When I saw your unsourced edit on that article, I dealt with it.  I have several thousand US cities in my watchlist, so I will continue to see your edits appear, and if you continue to copy and paste unsourced content from one Wikipedia article to another, I will seek the assistance of an administrator so we can curtail your disruptive editing. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you please answer my question? Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 23:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Billlie
Hello :D Billlie (group) already has an album charted on the country's music chart, ranking 12. So is it still proposed to be deleted? Thanks. Also I'm sorry if this message sounded unfriendly. BaaBaaTheSheep ( talk • ctb ) 09:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

"Not notable" - Emily Hall Tremaine, Madison, CT
Not notable? No. You don't know the content of what you are editing. If you bothered to read the linked NYT obit, you would have learned that you deleted one of the very top level contemporary art collectors of post-WWII art. If you are "above" the editorial decision-making of the NYT, the Metropolitan Museum of Art website, etc. please do inform. Maybe you can start editing for the NYT and other very established American art institutions on matters of high culture in the USA.
 * I'd rather get a tooth pulled then write for that left-wing rag. Anyway, a consensus of editors at WP:USCITIES have agreed that the criteria for inclusion is a Wikipedia article, and "If challenged, additions without their own article should be removed and discussed on the talk page of the city, until a consensus is reached".   This means if you continue to revert my edit, you may find yourself in the naughty chair.  I left a message on your talk page with more information. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, there is consensus with NYT, Metropolitan Museum of Art, the over 80+ artworks donated to the National Gallery of Art, and if you bothered and had access to a decent uni library database, basic research, not just arrogant "Oh I don't know" dismissiveness, you'd see obits all over the USA in c. 1987. In your arrogant position, you feel your take, with no knowledge, requires consensus. Sorry, you need to educate yourself. And you show bias, a "left-wing rag"? You should be reported to higher up Wikipedia.

Re. you message on my page. As you will see this is the first dispute I have had with anyone, while your history can be seen above. I left a message with Kinu. I have asked him a number of questions about how one disputes the reverting by an editor clearly unknowledgeable with the content who won't take 10 minutes to learn the content and who has shown a bias against the NYT-- and for an obit. If one doesn't like the NYT, fair enough, one could replace with a range from newspapers across the US, as opposed to deleting.

We are two kinds of editors. I often clean up inline citations for others, as a long ago editor and uni educator. I don't slash and burn content I don't know about.
 * I advise you to stop with the incivility and instead assume good faith. has over 100,000 edits, so I assume they know what they're doing around here. I see you have posted about this matter on my talk page and I will reply as time allows. -- Kinu  t/c 15:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Kinu, maybe this is cultural. There is no incivility here. You have a BA in Econ from Yale. I studied a few Econ modules. I would not revert anything on an Econ content page without knowing the content, or looking into it.
 * See WP:EXPERT, second list, bullet point #6. Regardless, this has little, if anything, to do with the content area. It has to do with the relevant guideline regarding inclusion criteria, as indicated on your talk page. -- Kinu t/c 16:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As for incivility, I don't know what you mean by the word "cultural" in this context, but I do know you've referred to Magnolia677 as "clearly unknowledgeable" and their editing as "arrogant." "Sorry, you need to educate yourself" sounds pretty incivil to me and doesn't strike me as assuming good faith. -- Kinu t/c</i> 16:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Kinu, are you independent?! hehe. You forgot "you may find yourself in the naughty chair" and "left-wing rag". Maybe let the interpretive dance prof grade your PhD papers, in, is it stat?:-) In any event, we've taken this to your page. You are a volunteer administration and that chain can resolve this conflict I believe in a proper way.
 * I am not sure if you are being sarcastic, but yes, I am approaching this as objectively as possible. Magnolia677's personal thoughts on The New York Times are not a personal attack against you, and the "naughty chair" comment is simply a reminder that edit warring may result in sanctions such as loss of editing privileges (i.e., it is neither a personal attack nor a threat). Your comments, however, are not constructive. As for your comment regarding my work off-wiki, I see no need to dignify such a jape with a response. I feel that I've given enough time to this matter for now, and unless there is constructive discussion to be had, I will leave it be, with apologies to Magnolia677 for flooding their talk page. As for your question on my talk page about bringing this matter to more sets of eyes, I'll simply refer you to WP:ANI. -- <strong style="color:blue">Kinu <i style="color: red">t</i>/<i style="color:red">c</i> 17:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, here's my last attempt before I go to the dispute page. The two complaints are (A) not wiki page. That's not true: Elza Temary has a page, and that was wiki-linked, but was considered not notable; and Tremaine has Miller Company Collection of Abstract Art with first paragraph: "The Miller Company Collection of Abstract Art (c. 1945-55) was formed in Meriden, Connecticut as part of the Miller Company. The collection was formed by then-CEO Burton Tremaine, Sr. and his wife/Miller Co. art director Emily Hall Tremaine in c. 1945." The whole page is about that work, and it is why if you checked in proquest, you will see hundreds of articles.

Second, the expert bit. It talks about sources as most important. Fair enough. One tries to be minimal. Well, you've got an obit in the NYT as a sample obit, and any number across the US seen in proquest could be used, but the NYT is online. Then you have a full article in Santa Barbara magazine that is offline; there are many offline. Do these not show notability? If adding for example a Metropolitan Museum website profile, or a National Gallery of Art page showing 80+ donated works, or a sample news article, all over US news in several cities, with works sold in two big record-breaking auctions in the late 1980s, does this convince of notability in this context? Was the Miller Co wiki page read? Mrdnartdesign (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I concur with Kinu and Magnolia677 here; if a subject doesn't meet obvious WP:BIO notability criteria, they should generally not be included in Wikipedia lists. If you are so convinced that Emily Hall Tremaine meets our notability criteria, I'd suggest you submit a draftarticle via the WP:AFC process. See also WP:WTAF. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Guys, you may not have heard of her because you are younger, but you really then need to read the Miller Company Collection of Abstract Art. She and her husband owned it. I would not advise 4 articles for this stuff: her, her husband, their Miller Co collection, the later Tremaine collection. If you look at the end President Obama was photographed with one of her works. There is a whole list of the biggest artists in the 20th century. I added three quick links to Jamie's page: article in WP, Met profile, Natl Gallery. I'll assume Elza is back in as she has a clear named wiki pageMrdnartdesign (talk) 19:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Also, have you made appropriate WP:COI declarations? Nearly all of your contributes seem to relate to artdesigncafe.com, which has a declared connection to Tremaine / Miller Co. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

To be helpful, three additional links, high-status notability. there is also a biography and 3 books on her collection, two from Christie's, one Wadsworth Atheneum and one by Louise Lawler, all considered top level of wiki: The Met has their own page https://www.metmuseum.org/art/libraries-and-research-centers/leonard-lauder-research-center/research/index-of-cubist-art-collectors/tremaine

National Gallery of Art, DC https://www.nga.gov/collection/provenance-info.101.html

in WP https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1988/11/10/auction/7df5263e-2780-4620-aea6-95a9fd06f684/ Mrdnartdesign (talk) 20:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Being mentioned on sites like that does not address the WP:SIGCOV portion of WP:BIO. I'm not responding further until you answer the CP:COI question above. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 20:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow! So, at this admin level, if a subject is all over the media over years, and on top level cultural sites, they may not be considered notable. It's interesting because I read a lot of wiki and I often see things not at this level, and that's why I find it shocking. I see you are looking for motive; what I am trying to get clarity on is "notability". My background is cultural and academic over 35 years. If Tremaine is not notable in my sphere, then so many others get kicked out. Sure I add things from cultural sites and newspapers that fill in information gaps, and clean up inline citations like a crossword puzzle.Mrdnartdesign (talk) 20:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

So now I am considered a spammer after this pursuit of "notability". Yes, I do research on things that end up with various sources as contributions, including artdesigncafe. For example, I am probably the most knowledgeable person regarding several design histories. Does that not add value? Otherwise there's nothing at times on wikipedia. If you have the power for a spam assertion, which I presume you do. Please take action to have every contribution I have ever made to wikipedia deleted. Can you do that?Mrdnartdesign (talk) 20:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See Ownership_of_content. If the site ends up being blacklisted, the links and associated content will be removed as part of that process.  OhNo itsJamie  Talk 20:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You seem to have the power, please blacklist it. Everything I ever added. Every inline citation list I ever cleaned up. After today, I want nothing to do with Wikipedia.Mrdnartdesign (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Art sometimes describes a situation louder than words. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What a pleasant response to an unpleasant conversation, Magnolia677! I don't/didn't know this painter. I remember when I used to walk past the still-life paintings in a gallery; now I stop and learn. Chardin is my idol, but I think I learnt about simplicity from Giorgio Morandi (another idol, of course!). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Colin Campbell Cooper
Hi Magnolia677. You sent me a note about editing Colin Campbell Cooper's entry without leaving a source. I am not sure what I added, but I assume it was his burial place of West Laurel Hill Cemetery in Bala Cynwyd, PA. My source is that I am a volunteer tour guide at the cemetery and I include him on some of my tours. Not sure how to improve on eyewitness information. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrlexjr (talk • contribs) 12:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing. Please note that Wikipedia does not accept original research.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Good tidings
Hi there,

So I really want us. Just you and I, to come to a way to work together. I am trying my best here, and I do not mean to offend, or ignore, but I am having a really hard time. No one else seems to be responding to anything that I write on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline section. It is disheartening, because I am totally okay with NOT "winning" consensus to my view point, but I wish then people would at least contribute feedback to counter it as I've asked many questions now (not just of yourself, but of many other editors on this and I'm about to give up). As you saw today, I was not even working a notable section in towns or cities any more, because you said that you like those and I didn't want to step on any toes of articles that you like to work on. Anyway, I just did a format edit for the last list that I had worked for a few hours that you reverted. The funny thing is, based on a comment you said about the NY times, I think you and I would actually get along nicely and be friends in real life... but alas, here we are, with this crappy medium of communication.

Please let me know how best to proceed. I'll give up on these lists at this point if you want me to. But my preference would be if we could tag team them for references somehow and/or somehow work together... Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 20:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Please note that I last edited List of Brandeis University people in December 2020, so it was already in my watchlist. I have no beef with you adding birth and death dates to various lists of notable people.  What I do have a concern with is that you robotically copy these dates from articles where the dates are unsourced.  You have been cautioned multiple times about this, yet you continue to add unsourced content, which undermines the hard work of other editors, and makes Wikipedia less reliable to its readers.  Please pay attention: if you don't stop copying and pasting unsourced content from article to article, I will take this to ANI where I will list each time you have been cautioned, and each time you have disregarded these cautions. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes fair enough. I am moving on. I appreciate you warning me and not just going straight to ANI. What I was asking though, is if you'd help me. It seems we both like these lists a lot, and so I just wanted (ideally) to work together on them. I know of no other editor on this specific area that is as dedicated as you. I don't think I could do it alone at this point, especially if dozens of hours of work are going to get reverted. I'd far prefer you check my work, and see if anything doesn't have a source and you could revert those specifically. As opposed to a rollback, which makes it very hard for me to go back and fix. My main idea was to do the grunt work up front since that is how I work efficiently and easily, and then do the deeper diving after the fact. I appreciate all of your help.. seriously (I know tone and sarcasm or not doesn't come across... so please assume NO sarcasm unless I explicitly say (sarcasm) in parentheses).

Lastly. I saw you deleted my cheese burger. Which made me sad. :( Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I have zero interest in overseeing your edits. If you are uncertain how to source your work, please see Help:Referencing for beginners. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not overseeing my edits. Just tag teaming these lists. Anyway, if you are not interested, that is your right. You can spend your time as you see it best spent. I will add though, there are many questions that I legitimately ask that go unanswered from you. Is it best that I leave messages in another place? What is your preferred area of contact? Also, like I said, based on your own dedication to these lists (and the comment on the NY times you made, which was awesome), I think you and I should be partners in editing. Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For example, I never got a thought from you on unsourced birth date information on the primary articles. Why are you not tagging that for removal or reverting that outright? Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Lastly, I know that there is also technically this obscure rule or aspect of the encyclopedia. What do you think of it here? WP:IAR. I know you are a senior editor and obviously aware of it, but was curious if you have any thoughts as to when it might apply, not just here, but generally? Thanks! Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 23:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)