User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 3

Soda Springs, Idaho
Hello, I sent you a message regarding my changed and had a few questions for you. Sent it through the email option before reading that most people post questions and things here. Just wanted to make sure you had seen it. Thanks again for your help! And sorry...still new! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BRPXVII (talk • contribs) 13:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

South Dakota State Capitol
The content that I added to the page was all contained In visitors guide that I have next to me it can't be sourced with a url but based on books and some of that content was in the article already

Ancaster village photo circa 1927-32
Hi There. Take a look a Google street view of the Coach and Lantern Pub on 384 Wilson Street East (formerly the Iroquois trail heading to Long Point and Detroit) and you'll notice that 74 years later almost nothing has changed on the street except the magestic trees that once stood. Or better yet you should actually visit Ancaster and spent time at the Coach and Lantern? It's odd drinking beer and listening to live music in an environment that would have been an identical experience when the establishment was built in the 1820's. I've seen many photos of Wilson Street over the years but this is a real gem. You'll notice the woman in full flapper gear although a bit 1930-ish conservative with the dress length a bit longer than it would have been in the mid 1920's. Notice the Orange Crush sign and the Imperial Gasoline clapboard. There is also a Bell Telephone booth. What once once the Union Hotel is still taking 'guests'. And of course there is a garage to work on those Ford Model A's. And of course the Hamilton Radial line would have still been running in that era climbing up from Chedoke behind St. John's Church and off to Brantford. The Orange Crush sign is interesting. I'm still trying to figure out the Ogden's sign but I'm assuming it was a dairy and were providing ice cream cones. My dad took the radial down as a kid in the 1930's from Hamilton and remembers the ice cream. There would be no taverns during this prohibition period and no taverns in Ancaster for the next 45 years until Skittles and the Fiddler's Two restaurants were able to finally apply for liquour licenses in 1976 after almost 56 years of Ancaster town council regulated abstinence. Kent Johnston — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentjohnston (talk • contribs) 12:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

CUNY Public Safety
Please see my comments on the talk section of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.160.197 (talk) 00:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

"Wiki isn't a newspaper"
So why are there two other external links related to bloody brawls? I added another one that just recently happened, assumed it was qualified based upon the other two external links... explain why they are there, and the recent one is not qualified?(B23Rich (talk) 05:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC))
 * I deleted the other two as well. One was a dead link and the other was an old newspaper article.  They didn't seem like a good way to use external links.  Thanks for writing.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject MS
What is the status of Wikiproject Mississippi? The project page indicates that the project has gone inactive, but you seem real enough. Also, would you be adverse to me creating a new alternative user box for project participants? (Not deleting the first, just making an alternate available...) I'm completely uncomfortable with a logo featuring a CSA battle flag, part of the state flag or not. See for comparison the user box of WikiProject Oregon here.

I reckon that the first thing that could help move the project along would be locating and organizing as many digitized sources as possible. I found a couple this week and tracked them over to archive.org: Mississippi: Vol. 1, and Encyclopedia of Mississippi History: Vol. 2. best regards, —Tim /// Tim Davenport, Corvallis, OR /// Carrite (talk) 16:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The project doesn't seem to have much steam. Of the members listed as part of the project, the only ones I've seen contribuing regularly are User:Parkwells and User:Hushpuckena.  Other regular contributors to Mississippi articles, who are not listed as members, are User:Billy Hathorn, User:JaconaFrere, User:Zigzig20s, User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah, and User:Coal town guy (I'm sure I missed a few, and haven't included the workaholics who do maintenance).


 * I would agree that Dunbar Rowland is probably the most comprehensive (though occassionally incorrect) resource on pre-1900 Mississippi history. The book you linked to is actually a four-volume work (Volume 2 is also very useful).


 * Another excellent historical resource is the WPA Guide, though it is filled with the racist overtones often seen in the writing of early Mississippi historians.


 * A useful tool for spotting new articles is User:AlexNewArtBot/MississippiSearchResult.


 * As for changing the flag image, I wouldn't go there without firm consensus. The Confederate flag understandably arouses negative reactions outside of Mississippi, though it's still the state flag.


 * Thanks for taking the lead with this. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep the Flag of Mississippi; no need to "whitewash" this. I find this WP useful, but of course I wish more editors were interested in researching plantations/planters/pre-Civil War churches, etc. I have had some good collaborations with a few editors though, particularly User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah and User:Billmeguire. There's really no need to change anything about this WP as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps create a subgroup within the WP about plantations if enough editors are interested.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Foster Furcolo image
You uploaded File:Foster Furcolo, 60th Governor of Massachusetts.jpg to Commons, repeating an asserted copyright of 1906 for an image claiming to depict Foster Furcolo when he was governor of Massachusetts. A moment's homework (i.e. reading the article) would inform you he was (a) born in 1911, and (b) governor 1958-1960. Therefore, the source from which you took the image is unambiguously wrong in either what it is depicting, or its claimed copyright (my vote is the latter, since it sure looks like Furcolo to me). Please determine the correct copyright status of this image (it is either still under copyright and should be deleted, or its copyright was not renewed and has lapsed, in which case it can be kept). If you do not fix this soon, I will start the deletion process.  Magic ♪piano 00:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * What in the Sam Hill!! Ma, Pa, come over yonder to the computer machine!  Lookie there at the front of that electronic book it actually lists the date the book was published!! This Magicpiano fella just told me about it, and he didn't know it either or I reckon he'd have just changed it himself and then sent me a thank you note for loadin' up such a fine, fine picture. Imagine that, the date of publication at the front of a book.  What a wonderful world this has become. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:41, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, gee golly willickers. It's a cryin' shame that that wunnerful copyright page don't say whether or not the copyright was renewed.  Magic ♪piano 00:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * What am I, the Amazing Kreskin? I took the photo from this page, where it's listed as having no known copyright.  That about says it all.  And don't forget, a new broom sweeps clean but an old broom knows the corners.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You're not the Amazing Kreskin, but you are a Wikipedia editor who thinks people born in 1911 can be photographed as adults in 1906 (which I personally think is an amazing trick). The page from which you uploaded the image was materially wrong on a key item relating to copyright, so it could easily be wrong about other things.  How about providing a more suitable page where the Internet Archive provides the correct copyright date, accompanied by their assertion that the work is out of copyright?  You're not the Amazing Kreskin, but it doesn't require magic, sleight-of-hand, or snarky commentary, to accomplish this.   Magic ♪piano 01:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Me snarky? Who on here has added more joy, rapture, friendship, desire... and love, love, love, love, love????  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

James Samuel Coleman page
Dear Magnolia677,

I appreciate your dedication to this page. I am currently a junior in college, working on this wiki page as part of a class. I too, am dedicated to the quality of this page. Please let me explain where my changes are coming from.

I have run all of my changes past my professor, who happens to have a Ph.D. He agreed that my changes enhanced the overall quality of Coleman's page. As a professor of social theory at a prestigious liberal arts college, I take his opinion very seriously.

I know you may be unwilling to see changes made to a page you have taken under your care. However, there are some major grammatical and structural issues with the current set up. This does not include the multiple uses of politically incorrect terms, as well as the lack of capitalization needed on certain pronouns.

I hope we can reach a compromise to the overall content of this page, as I know we are both equally interested in its best outcome. Should you disagree with my "mediocre writing style" that doesn't fit in with the usual "Wiki way", please try to work with my changes. I would greatly appreciate this act of collaboration, in comparison to your current method of reverting every single change I make to this page.

Also, please keep in mind that this is an assignment for me, and I am not incredibly familiar with Wikipedia and its functions/uses. With that being said, I am confident that I will continue to contribute to the "James Samuel Coleman" page, and I will learn as I go.

Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: Gilliam
- Gilliam (talk) 05:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Heathman Plantation
Thank you. It would be good to expand the page. I thought a stub would be a good place to start. I am not sure if you or others will be able to find more information about its history, owners, types of cotton that was grown, etc.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, I've fixed it. The confusion came from this page.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice job. Would you be able to add a map to the article about the Heathman Plantation please?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Peter Aaron Van Dorn
Hello. I've created Peter Aaron Van Dorn's page, which you may find interesting. I would love to find out if he only owned one plantation, or several, and where they were. The one I read about was near the Yazoo River, but not sure where. Also his will executor David Vertner was a planter, but I could only find a little (unreferenced) bio on FindAGrave.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Foote, Mississippi
Hello again. Would you be able to find enough information about Foote, Mississippi to create at least a stub? I am working on Mount Holly (Foote, Mississippi), which is located in Foote. (So no need to work on Mount Holly until I move my completed draft to Wikipedia!) But creating Foote would be useful (I can't find much online). Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes, please add the picture to Wikimedia Commons and tell me the link if you can. Also yes, if you are able to create a stub for Foote, Mississippi, that'd be great. I am working on Mount Holly right now and will create that page very soon.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As you see, I have added more referenced info and the picture. If you could create Foote, that'd be great. I will try to create a page for the two Foote owners as well. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice work on Mount Holly. I'll have Foote by the end of the weekend.  Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to it! I wonder if there is a Foote family tree somewhere--they look like a very prominent Southern family. I am especially interested in the Foote/Boyd connection in Nashville, as I lived there...Anyway, let's keep each other posted. Have a nice day.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh btw, since you are interested in Mississippi (I forget if that's where you live or not!), you might want to check out my new article, Henry Hughes (sociologist). I would like to create Oakland College (defunct college) as well, as it looks like lots of prominent Southerners were connected to it--either educated there, or trustees.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Would you please consider creating another small town, Erwin, Mississippi? The "Woody Woods" reference I used on Junius R. Ward House gives some clues about the history that you could use. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * My weekend project. Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I'm nearly done with User:Zigzig20s/Oakland College (Lorman, Mississippi) (for a start at least; I will add a bit more about the syllabus, etc.), but do you know how I could reduce the picture in the infobox please?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've moved it to Oakland College (Lorman, Mississippi). There would be more to say, but it would become original research, until we find more reliable, secondary sources. Looking forward to seeing Foote up and running!Zigzig20s (talk) 06:17, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Ontario Malleable Iron Company
Thank you for the kind remarks. I am interested in making better references; thanks for the offer. I have tried using the "URL" feature but it does not work well for me. Advise and I will try to clean things up for other researchers. Grazie. GMTEgirl 01:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GMTEgirl (talk • contribs)

More NRHP
Re: finding the NRHP reference number. If you are adding or editing an article for an existing property, chances are very good that the NRHP project has already added the property to the relevant state or county list. For example say you want to write about Finlay House in Greenville, MS. You need to know what county it is in, that's easy to find with google, Washington County in this case. Then, google for something like NRHP Washington County MS. That will usually show the Wikipedia NRHP county list in the first entry or two, and in this case, it does. Look at that page, and find the table entry for Finlay House. The reference number is probably in the Date Listed column, with the reference number under the date, in this case, (#82003119). The elves from WP:NRHP usually update the county lists within a few days of new listings being announced.

Sometimes, of course, things go wrong, and absence from the county list is not firm evidence that the property isn't on the NRHP. A set of resources on finding NRHP information can be found on the resources page. The NPS focus pages are hit or miss in my experience, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't, and you can't easily tell the difference between the DB don't feeling well that day, and there really being no such property found. The weekly list search works much better. The Elkman tool, currently found here is also useful, even if you only enter part of the property name. You may get more than one match, it is seldom hard to find which one you mean. The data therein, however, comes from various databases that might be out of date, or used data of dubious quality to start with, so don't depend only on the resulting data to write your article. If you really get stuck, you can ask for help on the project's talk page. Generic1139 (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the great info. I like that tool.  I always try to find the original source, and like you say, the NPS pages are not always reliable.  Sometimes even the original application, which shows approval, doesn't list the number, such as this one.  Sometimes Wiki is the only place that lists the number.  Maybe we just make them up?  Magnolia677 (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No, we never make them up. Part of the fun sometimes is finding the outliers.  The NPS database is viewed as authoritative as regards the reference number, and a reference to the NPS data is the reference often used in NRHP articles for older properties, usually using the NRISref template for 2010 and previous years. The reference number doesn't always show up on the scanned nomination forms.  Sometimes, especially when the form comes from a state database, the scan was done before the number was assigned.  Sometimes the page with the number wasn't scanned, or the number isn't legible.  Sometimes, a number WAS assigned, but the property was never officially listed because the owner of the property objected or some other issued was raised, see Lincoln Place Apartment Homes. We don't take other web sites' word for it, it must be on the NPS list as listed, even if it picked up a reference number somewhere in the process. You can download the old raw databases if you want all the data, this is where the 2009 and previous data is .  There have been updates to that data base.  This is partialy what the elkman tool is based on.  Newer properties are present in the weekly listings.  That is the authoritative source for the new numbers.  NPS has recently been improving its databases and scanning in more forms.  See.


 * So, if you want to FIND the number, there are various tools and cheats (as in your example, a PDF scans living on the NPS server, the reference number is in the file name). If you want to CITE a number you have, verify it is in the NPS database using any of the previous discussed methods, and then use the NRISref template to cite it.  For post 2010 listings, you can cite the weekly list summary for the week it appeared in. Generic1139 (talk) 13:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Egremont, Mississippi
Google, even Facebook, seem to suggest there is a town called Egremont, Mississippi. Potentially the place where the Footes's "Egremont Plantation" was located. Are you able to unearth more information about this please? I also think there might be a few more buildings in Foote, Mississippi, but I have never been there, so I am not sure. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Great to have a map for Foote btw.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Btw WOW, did you know that it's possible to get a google street view of Foote? It doesn't look like much, despite the history. I wonder what they grow on those fields... Perhaps one day someone will add pictures to Wikimedia Commons!Zigzig20s (talk) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There seems to be plenty on Egremont. I'll put up an article when I get a sec.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 04:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. It's a bit like a treasure hunt for historical info, isn't it! Btw, are you able to add a map for Gay Hill, Washington County, Texas please? Also perhaps Glenblythe Plantation and Live Oak Female Seminary (both in Gay Hill).Zigzig20s (talk) 22:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing it for Gay Hill. You'd think Texas would be better covered than Mississippi, but once you leave the main cities, it is not...Zigzig20s (talk) 02:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There are some excellent sources for Mississippi articles. Let me take a stab at Egremont this weekend.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Btw, do you know how to suggest an article for AFD? It's a three-step process and I can't figure it out.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have Twinkle installed so it's a simple 1-button process. Twinkle should be in your "preferences".  There are three kinds of deletes.  The first is speedy, which has strict criteria and is used for obvious spam articles.  The second is WP:PROD, which opens your nomination up do debate; this is for iffy articles.  The third is used for unsourced biographies, but I've never used it.  Without using Twinkle, the process is indeed very tricky.  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:05, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have tried both speedy and PROD for Mary Helen Clark. The speedy was removed and then the PROD was removed without a discussion. So I think we should have a vote. My reasons are as follows: ""A7. No indication of importance." (non-notable missionary) and "G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion." (advertisement for library collection)." It was created during an edit-a-thon, by a graduate student who got paid for creating it. I would have no problem with the page if it showed that that missionary was indeed notable, but it looks like she was just another minor missionary; who cares? Having her papers in a library does not make her notable. I can't find Twinkle in my preferences. Would you mind doing this for me? We could discuss this further if you object.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:07, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will you have time for Egremont this weekend btw?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Municipality Classification
I noticed that you edited the Alligator, Miss. article to indicate that it was a Town and not a Village per Census.gov. Under Mississippi law §21-1-1 all municipalities with less than 300 people according to census data is a Village. Just wondering what your thoughts on that are? --Eric (talk) 06:41, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for pointing that out. It's right here.  Yet the US Census Bureau calls it a town.  Let me ask around to see which one Wiki prefers.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

WROX
I wouldn't remove the radio box. Add an embedded nrhp box to the radio box. At the end of the radio infobox, before the closing }}, insert the usual nrhp infobox. Add |embed=yes as the first parameter to the NRHP infobox. Change the coord_display = inline,title in the nrhp infobox to just coord_display = inline so you don't get an error. Use the proper image for the historic location. Add some additional text to the article. See Template:Infobox NRHP for details. Generic1139 (talk) 03:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

History
The history is a little thin. I was trying to add to that. Rbcwa (talk) 02:10, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Zigzig20s/Rush Nutt
Hello again. You might be interested in helping me out with User:Zigzig20s/Rush Nutt. I am struggling to find his birth and death dates. I also think User:Zigzig20s/Petit Gulf cotton should have a page, but I can't find much. Google results show that there is a song about it. Clearly very significant historically, but hard to unearth much reliable info about it. (There is more about his son, who did not establish the plantation nor did he breed this new cotton hybrid. (I will try to ask people at agricultural/plant WPs as well.) I hope I am not overwhelming you--just thought I would mention it.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Cypress Grove Plantation
FYI.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Very nice. I'm happy to help and bring back to life the ghost towns where these plantations were located. Life has been interfering with my Wiki time.  I still want to create Egremont, Mississippi.  Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 12:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am bored in my RL, so creating more pages than usual. It comes and it goes.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Huger Lee Foote?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there more to Foote than Mount Holly? Perhaps--as I said, you can do a google street view--but hard to know without being there. I wonder how we would attract more local people to become Wikipedia users--that would be so useful!Zigzig20s (talk) 14:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you think Wesley Bobo could have his own page with the links I found (on my talkpage)? His work is both public and exhibited at the Catfish Museum and Welcome Center.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Mary Helen Clark deletion
Hello! I just wanted to see what I could do to keep my article from being deleted. Thanks! Nikilada (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. The article kinda belongs to Wikipedia, and I nominated it for deletion because there is little depth of coverage, and Mary Helen Clark seems pretty non-notable (in the Wiki sense).  If you can find some solid sources to confirm her notability that would certainly help.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 02:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Magnolia677, what a nightmare. After a month of having to explain why we shouldn't create a page about every teacher or missionary in the world, not enough editors voted and another editor closed the AFD with no consensus, and responded to my dismay in what seems a bit curt to me. I'd like to suggest a second AFD. The terminating editor suggested this. I am lost. Is this easier than I think? (I miss the tranquility of Southern plantations!)Zigzig20s (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Dixon Creek (creek)
I wonder if I could ask you to add an infobox with a map for this. The Texas encyclopedia lists the coordinates of the source.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Canemount Plantation
FYI. Not sure if you can expand this.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

National Historic Site
Back in October, you marked Junius R. Ward House as nrhp_type = nhs. There are only about 90 of those, and I can't find Ward on that list, do you have new information? The majority of properties on the NRHP list don't have an additional type (such as National Historic Site, National Historic Landmark or National Monument). For the normal case (>80,000), such as Ward house, nrhp_type is left blank in the infobox. I've added the ref num and additional infobox data, and removed the NHS type for now. Generic1139 (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Carleton University alumni
In regards to Tamar Beruchashvili being an alumnus of Carleton, her official biography on the MFA of Georgia website (link) has her attending from 2002-06. Surely that counts as a source? If not let me know, I'll do some more searching. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Her website has her attending Tbilisi State University during the exact same time period. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that stems from the program taken. While doing her PhD at Tbilisi she wasn't necessarily at the university for all that time; similarly for Carleton, as it says "professional training." Even so I'll do some searching, and even see if my program director knows anything (I think I'm in the program she took at Carleton, or an associated one). Kaiser matias (talk) 03:49, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. It just seemed kind of odd.  You'd think someone would have written her by now and asked what's up. I'll poke around too.  Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:17, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

FAirview alpha
Hi. Changing of the place type is what got this place on my watchlist in the first place. And the culprit would not be abpove socking IMHO. On my phone so I cant weigh in at SPI right now. Maybe tomorrow am. For what its worth the definitive source for place type is GNIS. What they call it is what it is. Hope that helps. If you want to copy this over to my talk so its all in one place thats fine. All i can do with talk is start a new section from this dumb phone. John from Idegon (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

FAirview alpha
Hi. Changing of the place type is what got this place on my watchlist in the first place. And the culprit would not be abpove socking IMHO. On my phone so I cant weigh in at SPI right now. Maybe tomorrow am. For what its worth the definitive source for place type is GNIS. What they call it is what it is. Hope that helps. If you want to copy this over to my talk so its all in one place thats fine. All i can do with talk is start a new section from this dumb phone. John from Idegon (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi!
Thanks for that correction for Hot Coffee, Mississippi. I knew that the wording was not optimal, but "locale" is perfect. So, you're a native of the Magnolia State, I assume. Pleased to make your acquaintance. (Is it Ma'am or Sir?) Quis separabit?  05:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Er, why is the above message from @John from Idegon duplicated? Quis separabit?  05:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes ma'am. I reckon you overlooked Panther Burn, Senatobia, D'Lo, Lone Star, Whynot, Diamondhead, Olive Branch, and Sardis (not Sardi's, LOL), and a few others. Quis separabit?  03:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thank you. Aka yer welcum
have you had similar problems perhaps from a similar source? On an entirely different subject, looks like we got a bit in common. I too have been that close to Tricky Dick (shook his hand at the Amtrak station in Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1972. Not nearly as memorable as shaking RFK's hand in the same place 4 years prior.) And I am a bit of a blues fan (not as much as when I was younger. Now its Southern Gospel). You ever hear of a harp player named Gary Primich? He was one of my best buds in high school. I was present the very first time he went on stage playing his harmonica in 1976 in Chicago. Anyway, I digress....keep an eye on that article please. It may be Don Quixotie time :). John from Idegon (talk) 06:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I was a new editor at the time and made some poorly sourced edits to New Jersey articles. I learned my lesson through rudeness and intimidation.  When you and I see a well-intentioned new editor we offer a hand.  That being said, that editor has made a huge contribution to New Jersey articles (but likely scared a few great editors away too).  I love that picture of Nixon.  He photographed well.  A while back,  I added some presidential photos to the David Dubinsky article.  He seemed to have met them all.  Never heard of the harp player, but have certainly learned about the blues by editing Mississippi articles.  They have a fabulous blues trail across the state.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * yea! Like the movie with George Clooney; I think it was "Hey Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" do you have email enabled? The first subject needs a private conversation.
 * Email on. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Ike Brown, Macon, Mississippi
I undid your edit without realizing it because I initially was responding to a bot notice. Nonetheless, you should not remove sourced text because you "have to disagree about this person's notability. The topic would be better if written into the article". That is not a valid reason for removing validly sourced text. If you want to include the information in a different way then go for it. Quis separabit? 03:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

ANI notification
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Alansohn (talk) 04:01, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello, fellow traveller
I am editing from my phone which will not load ANI due to its size. Could you please copy everything after the colon over to the section we have been summonned to? THANKS  :As I am very busy IRL and have no regular access to a PC, I will not be able to respond to this in any meaningful way til Monday night at the earliest. My phone will not load most WP space pages due to their size. Hopefully someone will see the light and close it before then. All I have been able to see is the section title, which frankly seems just silly. Two editors had similar bad experiences with a third editor and discuss it and that becomes something we need to explain? Dubious at best. Happy Thanksgiving! I'll get back to you next week. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 05:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Significance to Friendship United Methodist Church
While I know that it shares the name with Friendship, New Jersey, is there any actual significance to Friendship United Methodist Church other than the shared name? Alansohn (talk) 04:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * People pray there. It's like St. Andrew's Episcopal in Mount Holly, New Jersey.  Part of the community. Magnolia677 (talk) 05:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

barnstar

 * OH BUT IT IS...Coal town guy (talk) 15:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

New Jersey new pages
Hello there. I couldn't help notice your recent contributions to NJ-related pages. First off, thank you for helping create and edit these. Also, there is a wide range of red link pages ready to be created here if you like: WikiProject New Jersey/Requested articles. Again, thanks for your assistance and keep it up. Tinton5 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

You've been Bold. You've been Reverted. Start Discussing.
You have demonstrated that you are familiar with the basics of how to create an article and have a rudimentary understanding of Wikipedia policy. I remember dealing with a rather disruptive editor named User:Richard apple who had similar issues, mainly revolving around the refusal to add sources to his edits combined with a refusal to obtain consensus for his changes; It seems like I'm dealing with the same problem here. Your edit to Template:Ocean County, New Jersey has been reverted. You were bold, but now the changes have been relocated. Furthermore, Aserdaten, New Jersey does not appear to meet the criteria for a ghost town. If you believe that you can make a case, do so at the talk page, or even better, reach out to the cadre of editors at WT:NJ. This is your obligation per WP:BRD. I understand your urge to disrupt the existing consensus, as it is one that has existed since you started editing, but it is your obligation to start discussing, and to do so now. Alansohn (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey, that's mean! (and kinda hurts my feelings too) That was almost two years ago! I was just learning. I'm very good with references now, and always seek consensus. It's unfair to hold someone to something that happened so long ago. We all change you know Alansohn. I mean, look at all the disruptive editing you were blocked for when you first started:


 * April 29, 2009 - "persistent assumptions of bad faith; incivility; personal attacks in violation of editing restrictions".
 * April 14, 2009 - "incivility; violation of editing restrictions at several recent CfDs".
 * January 22, 2009 - "incivility, violation of editing restrictions".
 * October 10, 2008 - "incivility".
 * July 28, 2008 - "abuse of process at Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Rlevse#Oppose and general violation of editing restrictions".
 * June 17, 2008 - "violation of arbcom ruling".
 * January 21, 2008 - "personal attacks and Tendentious editing".
 * January 15, 2008 - "gross incivility after request to refrain from gross incivility".
 * January 9, 2008 - "edit warring".

I'm sure you've changed, right? Magnolia677 (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course I've changed. It took a few hundred thousand edits, but I started learning. Partly by recognizing that Wikipedia only gets built if people are willing to work together. You've made major strides since your first edit. If I read correctly, User:John from Idegon had hit you with some warnings on your talk page and you seem to have won him over. I hope that we can develop that same kind of relationship over time, but that starts with talking. Alansohn (talk) 05:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I feel the change. It sounds like you have a high regard for the good judgement of User:John from Idegon, as do I.  It certainly makes me wonder why you'd report him to ANI, as you did last week.  I think you may have missed a chapter or two in How to Win Friends and Influence People.  I also think it's unfortunate you have such a negative attitude to other editors who wish to contribute to articles about New Jersey.  I know you'll have to have the last word, but if you can resist I'd apprecitate it.  I avoid negative people and find these interactions with you a boring distraction.  Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Cold War playground equipment
Hello Magnolia677,

I noticed you reverted my edit to Cold War playground equipment, in which I added a source by Fraser MacDonald that directly and thoroughly documented the exact subject of the article. I really appreciate that you took the time to explain your rationale.

However, I believe your reversion was inconsistent with the WP revert policy. For removing the sentence in which I summarized and quoted from MacDonald, you said that he could not be considered an expert because there is not a WP article on him. That is true, but WP itself is not a standard for notability. MacDonald has a professorship at the University of Melbourne and the content of the article I cited clearly reflects his expertise. Many university professors are highly knowledgeable about their field of study but are not themselves notable. Also, as Wikipedia is a work in progress, it seems a little arbitrary to assume MacDonald is not noteworthy because there isn't an article on him now—there could still be one in the future. As a compromise, may I suggest that we include the sentence and quote but not link to the (non-existent) Fraser MacDonald article?

I added the article to the "Further reading" subheading as well, which you removed because MacDonald appears in the references. It only appeared in the references because of my edit, which quoted him in the first paragraph. I believe the article is interesting as more than simply a reference because it supplies an introduction to not only the subject of Cold War play equipment, but also the geopolitics of the time—helpful for a reader who may feel they are lacking context for the Cold War space race as a whole.

The reversion policy reads, "For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse ... Wikipedia has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation." I do not believe my edit met the reversion criteria, and I kindly ask your auspices (as a major author of the article) in restoring my edit.

Thanks!

Ultrauber (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. You are right.  I added Fraser MacDonald back into the article.  Generally, authors cited in the article are not to be added to the "further reading" section.  I believe there is much more to add to this article.  Thanks for doing that.  Magnolia677 (talk) 04:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for hearing me out! "Generally, authors cited in the article are not to be added to the "further reading" section." Do you know why this is? (genuinely curious) Ultrauber (talk) 05:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's here. It's to prevent duplication.  Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Your edit war over category link
In this edit you argued that "the two lists--one within the 'notable people' section, and the other in the category 'people from Lincoln Park, New Jersey'--should be identical." Then you argued that the reason that the category should be removed is that the lists and categories don't match. Now you're arguing that categories can't have sources (see here with edit summary that "accuracy of names in the category cannot be verified"). No category can have sources--Zero. Zilch. Nada.--Yet every article has categories. The article List of people from Chicago includes the Category:People from Chicago, Illinois, and no legitimate editor would argue that it should be deleted because the list and category don't match or because the category; Even you wouldn't. These category links allow serious editors to add links to the category from the list of notables and add items to the list of notables. This unequivocally makes Wikipedia better. If you have a serious argument, please make it. Alansohn (talk) 05:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates, where I've started a discussion on the relative merits of including a link to the category. I tried to present my case as best as I could in as neutral a manner as possible. Feel free to add your thoughts, as thoroughly and neutrally as possible, to explain your opinion that the category for notables from a place cannot be linked from the article section listing the notable people from that place. I'll be raising this issue in several other places to try to generate as broad a consensus on this subject, one way or the other. Alansohn (talk) 20:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Might I suggest linking ONE discussion in several places? Otherwise there will be no way to truly determine a consensus.  O, but that might make sense.  Sorry I mentioned it. John from Idegon (talk) 23:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You should be sorry. See this edit at Help desk and this one at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey where I raised the issue and directed editors to a consolidated discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Meanwhile, the best your buddy could do was to invite User:Coal town guy as a shill (see here), whose input only further undermined the argument for removing these categories. But thanks anyway for making the suggestion after the fact. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Alansohn, stop using my name as an emotional tampon. Getting a bit tired of it. If I need to have you mention my name, I will shake my zipper.  Coal town guy (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey vs. Marlboro Township, New Jersey?
Is there a difference between Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey vs. Marlboro Township, New Jersey? If there is, where is the other Marlboro located and is there anything meaningful to add about this community? If per this edit Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey is part of Marlboro Township, New Jersey, what is gained by two separate articles? Alansohn (talk) 05:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have raised the issue above as to the legitimacy of a standalone article for Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey and you have refused to participate. I have raised the same issue in more detail at User_talk:Tinton5, and you have again refused to provide any explanation. You were bold and you recreated a standalone article for Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey and it was reverted. I reverted your change and provided a rather clear explanation for my position. Google maps seems to think that the GNIS point for your "other" Marlboro is at the southeast corner of Vanderburg Road and Hudson Street in Marlboro Township. There is no evidence that your Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey is anything other than Marlboro Township, New Jersey. Per W{:BRD, it is your obligation to discuss, make your case and establish a new consensus overriding the longstanding status quo ante that has Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey as a redirect to Marlboro Township, New Jersey. You are operating in very dangerous territory here. Alansohn (talk) 23:17, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Alansohn (talk) 04:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on your new career
I am just pleased as punch to hear of your new occupation as an auctioneer. Apparently you must be; unimpeachable sources have reported that I am your shill. A word of advice: If you wish to make the best use of my skills, I would suggest you stick to auctioning either Florida swampland or bridges that connect Manhatten and Brooklyn. Happy trails! John from Idegon (talk) 04:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Sources for Townsbury
Regarding your most recent revert, both of the links that I revised in the article were thoroughly tested including in the Sandbox, on numerous occasions; Each time the correct page and information was the direct result. https://ia700407.us.archive.org/31/items/cu31924010411118/cu31924010411118.pdf#page=197 brings up page 176 (and 177) in the book History of Warren County, New Jersey, which describes how the area had once been known as Meng's Mill. https://ia700507.us.archive.org/6/items/industriesofnewj01edwa/industriesofnewj01edwa.pdf#page=109 brings up page 129 and 130 in the book Industries of New Jersey, with page 129 providing four lines about Townsbury while covering the range from Three Mile Run to Trenton. Can you confirm that different pages come up when you click on these links, and if so can you confirm what pages appear? Have these same, incorrect, pages appeared each time that you clicked on these direct links? Alansohn (talk) 04:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Both of the direct links you added lead to pages far away from the ones they were supposed to lead to. Maybe you're using a Mac or something's wanky.  And if they don't work for me, they probably won't work for some others.  Magnolia677 (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I don't use a Mac. I spoke to a contact at Adobe as well as a multi-platform developer, both of whom were able to click on the links and bring up the appropriate pages, regardless of the combinations of platform / operating system / browser / Abobe Acrobat release version they were using. Can you confirm that different pages come up when you click on these links, and if so can you confirm what pages appear, which may help debug the problem to determine why you are getting the incorrect page while other users seem to see the wrong page using these same links. Direct links to pages within .pdf files are used widely in Wikipedia and throughout the world, so a bug like this would be important to resolve.


 * May I also suggest that while WP:BLUE is cleverly named and written essay, it does not cover details of factual relationships about locations of obscure places, which are unlikely to be intuitively known by anyone other than those who live there. If you found the location in a source, providing it is allows other editors to verify the material and is a bedrock Wikipedia policy. Alansohn (talk) 05:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I reached out to ask for suggestions at Help desk. Any details that you can provide regarding the fact that you receive different pages might well help identify the error, wherever it may be occurring. Alansohn (talk) 05:50, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

2015 goals for WikiProject NJ
Hey, your feedback is welcome here. Many Thanks. Tinton5 (talk) 17:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I thank Tinton5 for reaching out to you. I hope that you can share your ideas for development and collaboration for 2015. Alansohn (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Norton, New Jersey
Thanks for creating Norton, New Jersey with all of the trimmings that interconnect it to other articles. I'm sure that I could find a tweak or alignment change if I looked hard enough, but using this article as a template -- listing the parent municipality in the infobox and text, with a source -- will make me that much less likely to feel the need to modify what you've created. Best wishes for the holidays and for a productive 2015. Alansohn (talk) 22:10, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Alansohn, I feel your comment to be intimidating, harassing, and a demonstration of your ongoing sense of "ownership" of New Jersey-related articles.


 * In the past I have addressed these concerns at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, and will continue to when necessary.


 * Please read:
 * Wikipedia's Harassment Policy, which describes wikihounding as "the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, in order to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia."
 * Ownership of articles, which states that "no one, no matter how skilled, or of how high standing in the community, has the right to act as though he or she is the owner of a particular page."


 * I have stated on my talk page already "I avoid negative people and find these interactions with you a boring distraction." Let me be blunt: please only use my talk page when necessary.


 * Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

rollback
hi Magnolia, why did you rollback these links?. I wouldn't consider a link to a festival and a mall to be vandalism? cheers Spencerk (talk) 20:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I left edit summaries for both. One was unsourced, the other simply added a redlink.  Magnolia677 (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Fayetteville
I would encourage you to keep cutting on it. What an over blown pile of chamber of commerce hype. No way it's a a B article. John from Idegon (talk) 03:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I felt guilty cutting so much, but it certainly seems a bit puffed. Happy New Year by the way.  Have you seen all my edits to New Jersey?  There's so much history to be written there, and so many ghost towns.  It's definitely time for a Jersey road trip to photograph some of those places.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:44, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Magnolia. I am still mostly editing from my phone, so not much reading for fun. I will while I am house sitting, this coming weekend til the end of the month. Some good news tho. Got a better phone, a low end android. Should help keep my frustration level down. That's what caused me to come unglued at our mutual friend. Couldn't deal with not being able to keep up with the poostorm. Cheers to you too. John from Idegon (talk) 04:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

flag usage and human vs. physical geography
At both Talk:Jericho, Cumberland County, New Jersey (this edit) and Talk:Pointers, New Jersey (this edit) you have made the claim that your removal of the flags in the infobox was justified per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG stating in each case that "this article covers both human and physical geography". In the context of the Manual of Style, physical geography covers places such as islands, where human and physical geography overlap, as in Hawaii County, Hawaii or at Manhattan (the example given in the MoS), where the physical place and the human designation overlap. In neither case is this true for Jericho or Pointers. There is a legitimate case to be made that a change in consensus would justify removal of these flags in these articles, but the apparent confusion about human vs. physical geography appears to be an issue here. Some clarification on your part about this perceived overlap -- either to support your claim that there is a real overlap or to make an alternative argument -- appears necessary as the claim made at both talk pages appears to conflict with MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. Alansohn (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Were you not told to stay off this user's talk page? Why do you think you do not have to honor that request?  Don't reply, cause I don't care to hear your bullshit any more than this user does.  These are content questions.  I wasn't aware that there were a different set of rules for users with many edits than us mere mortals.  Confine your communications about content to the article talk pages please and as far as this user and myself are concerned, keep everything else to yourself.  You are not all that important. Happy New Year. John from Idegon (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Alansohn (talk) 05:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Drunk driving in the United States
Hi. I'm writing to ask you to consider undoing an edit that you made yesterday. You removed a link from the "Drunk driving in the United States" page where I had inserted a link to the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration's DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Exercise manuals.

The original page included this statement: "They [NHTSA] have published numerous training manuals associated with FSTs."

No links to those manuals were included, so I added a footnote with a link to a page on my website where I've published copies of all the manuals. This page includes not only the current (2013) manual, but the previous manuals as well, dating all the way back to the original research which was published in 1980. To my knowledge, these manuals are not available on a single website page anywhere else (especially the older manuals, which were difficult to obtain). I spent about half a day scanning the manuals with OCR so that they would be searchable for anyone who wanted to see the evolution of the FST training program, and also to make it easier for any attorneys who needed copies of the manuals for cross-examination of police officers trained on the older, out-of-print editions.

Please let me know if you would reconsidering the edit and reinstate the link that I added. If there was a problem with how the link was cited, or a problem with the landing page, please let me know and I'll be happy to correct it.

Thanks in advance, -Elliott

DUI Lawyer (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Elliott, thanks for your note. These manuals are easy to find on non-commercial websites, such as http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/2013dwisfst.pdf.  If you'd like to go back and attach a link to this site, or find the documents on the Dept. of Justice site, it would be a big help.  Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I checked the Department of Justice website and they don't have any manuals on their site, only a citation. As you mentioned, LOTS of websites have the 2006 and 2013 manuals, but I couldn't find any that had the 1980 to 1987 manuals, which is the origin of the field sobriety testing program. The most comprehensive site that I found dated back to 2004 (http://www.wsp.wa.gov/breathtest/dredocs.php), and I found another site that contains manuals dating back to 1995 (http://oag.dc.gov), but that one isn't very well-organized, and none of the manuals are listed on a single page. The Illinois State Police site you included goes back to 2004, but is missing the first 7 manuals in the series.

Here is the list of manuals that I included on the page:

Student Manuals 1980 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (424 pages) 1982 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (286 pages) 1984 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (11 pages) 1987 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (302 pages) 1995 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (302 pages) 2000 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (304 pages) 2002 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (177 pages) 2004 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (161 pages) 2006 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (323 pages) 2013 Student Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (353 pages)

Instructor Manuals 2004 Instructor Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (380 pages) 2006 Instructor Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (423 pages) 2013 Instructor Manual for DWI Detection and Standardized Field Sobriety Testing (644 pages)

(As soon as I get a free moment, I'm going to add the 1995 and 2002 instructor manuals as well.)

To my knowledge, this is the most comprehensive listing of these resources on the web. Many of these manuals were obtained during my time as the lead training prosecutor for the State of Florida, when I was responsible for training all of the DUI prosecutors and DUI investigators in the state. I haven't seen the manuals in other locations (at least none that were accessible without a membership and password credentials), so that's why I was hoping you would reconsider your edit.

If the issue is with any other content on that page, please let me know and I can get my web guy to fix it.

Thanks again for your reconsideration, -Elliott

DUI Lawyer (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Elliott, I don't own Wikipedia. You are free to add your links back on that article, but they will certainly be deleted again, either by me or someone else, because it's a spam advertisement for your lawfirm disguised to look like information.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a public library or a collection of links, per WP:LINKFARM.  If someone want's these manuals that bad they can find them on Google.  Regards.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Another way to get township information is USGS topos
For example, Zion, NJ. Since the township line lies along the road, it's not entirely obvious. If you zoom out one level and pan east and northeast, you can find the text MONTGOMERY and HILLSBOROUGH labeling the townships.

Note that the Zion label is entirely within Hillsborough Township (if it were on the line it would be hard to read). This means that you probably need a better source that shows that the area to the south is also part of Zion. --NE2 10:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The source I added from the Park Service said that the bridge was in the "Zion vicinity", or something like that. The Park Service website is wonky so the link doesn't always work.  Zion is pretty much on the edge.  Thanks for the info!  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Chester Ide
"Hi there. Thank you for creating the article about Ide. I'm curious about your references. Not one of them is available online. Where did you get them? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)"

Hi Magnolia677, Sorry for the hideously long delay in responding. I am also new to Wikipedia, and only contribute occasionally, so I just never thought I would get any questions. Thanks for asking - it's neat that other people are interested in Mr. Ide.

I got all of my newspaper and magazine articles from:

the Chester Ide scores collection at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts, Music Division (at Lincoln Center in New York City)

Here is the URL of the catalog record for the collection: http://catalog.nypl.org/search~S1?/Xchester+ide&searchscope=1&SORT=D/Xchester+ide&searchscope=1&SORT=D&SUBKEY=chester+ide/1%2C23%2C23%2CB/frameset&FF=Xchester+ide&searchscope=1&SORT=D&1%2C1%2C

If you want copies of any articles, they can photocopy them and send them to you. The phone number for the Music Division is: 212-870-1650.

Best wishes,

Mfrm123 (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
One user wants to delete those categories I added (hope they don't) but I appreciate you supporting the purpose as to why I added them all. It is much easier for the person using the encyclopedia to navigate each entry as opposed to just clicking through the county category, which like you said they may not be familiar with. Consistency should be used here too. Have a nice day, see you around. Thanks Thewildone85 (talk) 15:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

New Jersey
I just want to thank you for your recent contributions to various New Jersey articles. Your efforts are beginning to result in a greater degree of consistency between states. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Latest ANI notice regarding latest edit war
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Alansohn (talk) 02:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Just a smile to say "you're welcome"!
 Hello Magnolia677, I dream of horses has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a &#123;&#123;Talkback&#125;&#125; message on my talk page. @ 07:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Map
You know, if you look through the unincorporated community articles for NJ, the vast majority have only the county map, not the state map (since the county map has a state inset).Famartin (talk) 03:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's quite unfortunate many editing features are found only on New Jersey articles, and a small number of other places. In my opinion, some of it is pure "cruft" and does little to aid the reader.  I've tried to address this on the New Jersey forum talk page, and other places.  I see you've been editing across the US, and not just in New Jersey.  I hope you too will bring new ideas to New Jersey, and a spirit of collaboration to create something great.  Creating most of   this is something I'm very proud of.  I hope you'll find the courage to be your own bold editor, insofar as New Jersey is concerned.  I personally believe the state map, which is widely used across the US, is the most useful, but please feel free to add others if you think they will benefit the readers of the article.  I don't own New Jersey, and sincerely welcome the input of others.  Magnolia677 (talk) 04:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

NJ maps
Are you going to be adding the statewide maps to all unincorporated community pages to provide some consistency? Just wondering, if so I'm willing to help. It's great to have both maps, so you can see both county view and state view. Enjoy the snow, where ever you are, lol. Tinton5 (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've only added the state map to the articles I've created myself. I find the county maps a bit "busy", but that's just my opinion.  Thankfully, several maps can be added to each article, as has been done.  Thanks for your offer!  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This conversation is amusing in light of what's happened with Djflem and Alansohn. I'm gonna slowly go through all the articles myself county-by-county and add the state maps, but if people like Alansohn or Djflem remove them, I'm not going to care. If either you, Tinton5 or you, Magnolia677 do... you'll have to take it up further with them.  I'm staying away from them, I don't have time for a fight. Famartin (talk) 08:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Flags
I understand that there are situations where flags do not belong in the infobox, however in the case of listing the country and province/state, they are included. Feel free to look at thousands of other pages such as Toronto and Las Vegas. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 03:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the talk pages of Toronto and Las Vegas to see if consensus was reaches about adding flags to the infobox, per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG? Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There has never been any discussion on about this to my understanding. If they are there and have been there for a long time, I imagine they should be included, as those cities are very well-known. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 03:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

University of Toronto
Hey Magnolia, can you respond to the latest comments on the University of Toronto talk page about integrating information about the UTM and UTSC campuses on the main University of Toronto page? My argument is that UTM and UTSC are not satellite campuses, and as such, should be represented in a significant way on the main University of Toronto page. I don't suggest merging, but I do suggest that the U of T article is not only representative of one campus. I provided the University of Michigan Ann Arbor (NOT the University of Michigan) as an example institution which has multiple campuses of its own - which is the same model the U of T has (not separate institutions within a system, such as the University of London, State University of New York, etc.). Davidhar (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There's certainly a lot of discussion there! Magnolia677 (talk) 00:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Flag icons
Hi. I put a draft together, and I'd like to get your opinion on it before I go further with it. It's on my sandbox. Also, I'm not sure what the next step is, should I post it on Village pump (proposals)? Please give any feedback on my sandbox talk page, that way I can keep all the discussions in one place. Thanks. Onel5969 (talk) 03:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The Chopstars
You have YET to respond to your claim of NON-notablity. With a QUICK google search I've found more than 10 articles referring to the CHOPSTARS! Would like a response to this and the page of Dj Hollygrove which you also nominated for deletion! [User:Htown4life| Htown4life ]] talk  24:01, 9  February 2015 (UTC)
 * Just add your info to each article, with a reliable source. Also, because I was the original editor who nominated each article for deletion, I've already given my opinion about notability.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

NJ state maps debate with Djflem
I'm having one on two separate pages, care to chime in? Famartin (talk) 09:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Babbitt,_North_Bergen#Redundant_maps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communipaw,_Jersey_City#Redundant_maps

Response
Nothing was meant to be exclusive, nor was it written that way. One could consider many physical geographic features not mentioned: waterfalls, sinkholes, swamps, deserts, mountains, mountain ranges, oceans, bays, mesas, glaciers, and no doubt many more. None of our guidelines is so effusively listing everything to which it may apply. Islands may be both human and physical geographic features, as our article Manhattan shows - people tend not to inhabit waterfalls, sinkholes, and many other things. I think it makes little sense to have a separate articles: one for the "island" another for the "inhabited place". Hence, whether a flag applies is up to consensus on these joint articles. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Your input is welcome
If you have time, your feedback is welcome here : Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey. Thank you much. Tinton5 (talk) 00:05, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * So... as for the space, take a look at these subcats in Category:Middlesex County, New Jersey, and in all the other counties too. Since the municipality is the main source page, it should not be part of the alphabetical listing within the category. It has just been a common standard I've been following on here for many years. Eventually, all categories for town names will be created, which is where you will find the "People from __, New Jersey" categories. They don't belong on articles on municipalities. When I have time, I will help and create some then populate each one. For now, I have been creating new pages on unincorporated communities and other NJ-related pages, as well as on other topics too. Thanks for the message. Anything you wanna ask, feel free to let me know. Tinton5 (talk) 23:18, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

re Mary Holmes College
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to send me that PDF of Mary Holmes College's registration form for the National Register of Historic Places. I recall coming across that somewhere along the way but somehow blew right by it. Great catch. And for putting up the photo.Alafarge (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Canadian-American
Curious why you did this: It doesn't seem like a style/layout issue to me. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I figured it was probably something like that, but didn't want to just revert you without checking. Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)