User talk:Magusmusic

March 2013
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Be careful editing when you have a conflict of interest
Hello, Magusmusic. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Kai (Canadian singer), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

C.Fred thanks for your note about COI - as you can tell not very experienced with the Wiki process.

We were just shocked to see Kai's page deleted when she is artist with significant profile who has not just featured on a number of hit songs, but she CO-WROTE them too. She's performed in front of thousands of people at festivals and shows throughout the world and her current hit with Flume "Never Be Like You" which has it's own wiki page - is equally written by her and Flume. Because of the number of high profile songs she's written and been involved in ("Mind" with Jack U for instance - the video she is in for the song she co-wrote and sings has 62 million views...) there would be significant numbers of people wanting to know who this person is with 3 songs with over 20 million views on youtube, all over US radio in Blillboard magazine, has worked with some of the biggest artists/producers in the world and is currently working with some of the biggest producers in the world making her debut solo album for Warner Brothers USA.

Any guidance you can give us as to the correct way for this to be rectified would be most welcomed. We want to be good citizens of the wiki community of course, but equally have a duty to do our best for our client who we feel has been unfairly judged here - looking at the 'discussion' people dismissed her as just having 'featured on other people's singles'. If she was just a performing vessel for songs I would totally understand, but she's written and sung songs that have huge profile in every area of media, so it's a puzzling situation for us. Especially when at this moment in time her profile is dramatically rising. She's never been more wiki-worthy.

As I say though, any guidance as to what the right way to do this is much welcomed!!

Restoring the "Kai" article
H, Magusmusic, and thanks for your notes at my talk page and at C.Fred's talk page. I will restore the article in draft form in your own userspace, so you can work on it. More about that in a moment. First, there are some important issues to clear up. I realize you are new here, so let me help you understand some Wikipedia rules that apply.
 * 1) You said at my talk page "I work for the management of Kai". That means you are a paid editor. Please read WP:Paid editing. Wikipedia does not forbid paid editing, as long as you disclose it. To disclose your status as a paid/COI editor, you should put something on your user page, User:Magusmusic, stating that you work for her management. You should also make the same declaration on the talk page of the article when it is restored. You also need to keep your writing strictly neutral, not promotional. At my talk page you said "a Wiki page for her is something essential". That suggests that your reason for wanting an article about her is WP:Promotional. That's not a valid argument; quite the contrary. If she gets an article it will be because she meets Wikipedia's criteria, not because she and her agents want her to have one to further her career.
 * 2) In your messages here, you have talked about what "we" want. It is important that you clarify: are you the only person using this "Magusmusic" account? Wikipedia does not permit sharing of accounts, so please make sure that only one person uses this account. If someone else also wants to contribute they should register a separate user name.
 * 3) About that user name: is "Magus Music" the name of the management agency? If so we should get you a different username. Please see WP:CORPNAME and WP:ISU. If this is the name of the agency or company, you could use a name like "User:John at Magusmusic", showing that you are one individual, but not "User:Magusmusic" which implies that you are the whole company. If this is the case let me know and I will tell you how to apply for a different username.

Please respond to these questions below. Now about the article: To understand why the article was deleted, you need to first read WP:NMUSIC and then review what the discussants at Articles for deletion/Kai (Canadian singer) said. The comment "TOOSOON" means that people think she might become notable as her career develops, but right now she has not met the rather strict criteria at WP:MUSIC. You may ask, why do we have those strict criteria? It's because Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, and article subjects have to be noteworthy enough for inclusion in an international encyclopedia. Some subjects are obviously not worthy, like a local garage band (although people do try to write articles about their garage band all the time). Some subjects are obviously worthy, like someone who has multiple gold records. Some subjects fall in between and that is where Kai finds herself. One problem is that although she is on some successful recordings, she is not the lead singer.

The other issue was with WP:GNG and particularly WP:SIGCOV, the requirement for significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. That means independent mainstream sources like widely read newspapers or magazines; it does NOT mean blogs or discographies or self-created profiles. To recreate the article you will need to find some independent sources to back up the information. You should also provide and source some biographical information about HER, not just about her recordings.

With all that said, I will restore the article to you in your own private space, where you can work on developing it. BTW you will notice that the "delete" consensus was not unanimaous; two of the discussants felt the article should be kept. You might want to see if User:Montanabw or [User:Jayron32]] want to help you develop and improve the article. When you think you have improved it to where it now meets Wikipedia's criteria, let me (or any administrator) know before you move it into the main article space. We will check to see if it is significantly different from the deleted version. If it is not different enough from that version, it is likely to be speedy deleted per WP:G4. --MelanieN (talk) 21:36, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

OK. The restored article is at User:Magusmusic/Kai (Canadian singer) where you are free to work on it. --MelanieN (talk) 21:36, 21 June 2016 (UTC)