User talk:Mahawiki/Archive/Archive 01

Mumbai edits
Hi! Please could you cite credible sources to your recent edits to the Mumbai page. you can reference it from a credible website or a published book (with ISBN). =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, through the Mumbai article most likely. P.S. use 4 tildes ~ instead of 2 to sign your posts. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Most published books have ISBN numbers. When adding the references please include the book title, page number/s, author, publisher and ISBN. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, I left the following message on the talk-page of (what I presume is) your Anon IP. I don't suppose you have seen it, and hence I forward the same to you. In your Welcome message above, I have also added links to pages that will guide you on Wikipedia policies and on WP:NPOV. I look forward to your constructive contributions. Regards, ImpuMozhi 18:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Message on yout IP talk-page Hi, I understand your feelings. Please do not feel bad -- Wikipedia is about the whole truth, and we do not take sides. It would be unnatural if, in the border areas, people speaking both languages did not abide. Naturally there are Kannada people in Akkalkot and Marathi people on the other side. Even the Maharashtra government website says that lot of Kannada people live in Solapur district. So what? It is natural.

It is also natural that some nuts on both sides will want to take territory from the other side. These ravings are lamentable, but since they exist, they should be documented on Wikipedia. These people do not seem to realize that cultural borders cannot be demarcated easily and that the interaction of cultures is what makes for richness in culture. If you hail from the M-K border area, you would probably speak both languages, although Marathi would be your mother-tongue. Especially in the M-K border area, people feel very proud of the sheer cultural richness of the area. How to separate Purandaradasa from Vitthala? Are not the Deshasta brahmins followers of Madhavacharya? It goes on and on.

On another note, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. You may wish to register as a member. Regards, ImpuMozhi 17:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

English etc.
Don't worry about the English. That is the least important thing here, because someone else will correct any mistakes. It is more important to get content here. Because this is the English Wikipedia a lot of information that is available in other languages is underrepresented. It will be great work if you start filling in these gaps by, say, updating the article on the Samyukta Maharashtra movement by filling in information from other sources. Just mention those sources in the reference section, even if you can't find ISBN numbers. Just the names of the books will do - others may be able to find the ISBN numbers by searching for them. Also, I wonder - does the Marathi Wikipedia have anything about the movement? if so, then translating from there to here will also be a lot of help.

About the paragraph in the Mumbai article, I just rewrote it to be city centric, rather than movement centric. - To give a movie analogy it is not the length of the scene, but a different camera angle to the scene. From the city's point of view, the significance of the movement was that some important event took place near an important landmark, and that the city became the capital of a new state. So I wrote from that point of view. &mdash; Ravikiran 08:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. BTW- I am making a serious offer - If you do the research, I will work with you and we can togethre make a real good article on the Movement. &mdash; Ravikiran 08:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

AMA request
On Belgaum and Belgaum_district Karnataka wikipedians are constructing the language of 'Border problem' in a defamatory and biased way agaisnt Maharashtra state.The citations provided are either misinterpreted or bluntly anti-Maharashtra.The citations are of a Karnataka based newpaper which only dispalys their 'version of truth.'A NPOV is needed to be implemented. Maharashtra state is being shown as arrogant and guilty and the account of the 'dispute' is explicitly pro-kannadi.i request concerned authorities to help out.

(mahawiki 09:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC))

WP:3RR
You have been involved in an editing dispute. Please take a look at WP:3RR. I could count atleast 10 places where you have crossed the limit. Please stop, take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say here. I hope you follow my suggestions. You are very very close to getting blocked. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgaum
Hi. I have made a few changes in the article Belgaum. See this. I have kept the use of Belgaum as a name as Belgaum is the more popular name used by the people and more importantly the media (as it is verifiable). I could not fathom what you people were fighting about. Please do not remove any citations from the text. Make changes to cited text only after discussion on the talk page. Do not revert each other again for 1-2 days on any article. I do not have time to make chages to the Belgaum district article but you could copy-paste the "Border Problem" section for now. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You asked how I came to the dispute. Take a look at WT:INWNB. A note was left there by User:Sarvagnya. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right. I shall try to tone that sentence down and add a reference too. And no need to call me "Sir" (it is sir though, not madam :))- Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am aware that Deccan Herald is a Kannada news paper. But that is being used to only cite facts like the outcome of the Mahajan report (which cannot change whoever publishes it) and the summoning of the CMs by sonia gandhi. There is no way in which the DH is biased in atleast these 2 sentences. There may be other biased sentences in the news articles, but are not used in the article. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I will do so myself. Hope you don't edit-war further. Regards - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have dealt with the issue even before you posted on my talk page. I have all pages concerned on my watch list. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 20:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Final say in the matter
I am not going to reply to anyone now. I would appreciate if both of you stop bickering on my talk page. I am very much aware which versions were being fought. I do not consider any edits involved to be vandalism. What you both did was worse than vandalism. I will only reply to messages on the talk pages of the respective articles. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 20:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Mahawiki, I didn't say that either you or Sarvagnya was right about the Belgaum issue. My previous message concerns only the no personal attacks policy, which is inviolable. I don't see any personal attacks by Sarvagnya here. If there are any, bring it to my notice or to the administrators' noticeboard, but don't engage in personal attacks yourself.


 * On the larger issue of Belgaum, I'd advise you to be patient for sometime, collect all your points with supporting external sources and present it in the relevant talk page. Don't edit the article during the intervening period, we can always revert to a "correct" version if it's clearly established so. If your valid and cited points are not adequately addressed in the talk page, approach a third party neutral editor for mediation. If nothing works out, you can ask for dispute resolution. Stay cool. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sure there are many English newspapers from Maharashtra, especially from Mumbai. If not, you could extract Marathi text from newspapers and let respected users like Nick do the translation. By the way, if you're not aware, there's a thriving Marathi Wikipedia, one of the leading Indic language Wikipedias. You might want to contribute there also. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

A new day
Hello. I see that the article is more stable now. I am sorry I could not stay longer yesterday, but I had to sleep. I had already contacted some admins yesterday before leaving giving them instructions to block anyone trying to insert POV in the articles. I feel the article reads better now. I think you should follow Sundar's advice and cool down(Though I think you already have). Don't ever loose control over yourself over such emotional issues. If you had been blocked yesterday (and you came very close to it) then the article would be something else now. Anyways, do leave a message on my talk page if you have any more difficulties. Regards, - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 11:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me my friend. I was referring to the events before I came into the picture. I have seen cases where a violation of 3RR leads to immediate blocks in similar cases. Hence my reference to your (and others) coming close to it. Everything is fine now. Infact I am very pleased to see that you followed my suggestions after that. I understand your feelings about POV in the article and I too will try my best to see that such a thing never happens again in this case. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 13:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 13:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. I'm not an enthnic chauvinist of any kind &mdash; I don't even live in India and I also don't know if your message to me was meant to be a compliment or an insult.  The bottomline is that this article would be served better if we try to channel our efforts on being inclusive and representing all views in the dispute with appropriate citations,  than if we go around calling people names and yelling blue murder.  Also, please stop using the word "Kannadi".  People from Karnataka are called Kannadigas.  I don't think "Kannadi" is even a word, even if it is, it appears to be less than flattering. Thanks AreJay 13:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Final warning
Hi Mahawiki. Why don't you remain silent and away from Sarvagnya for some colling period? You're only acting against your own "cause" by being aggressive. Any article can be always brought to your version, if found correct later. Why don't you wait till other wikipedians work on the contentious articles? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why do you go tit-for-tat with Sarvagnya? If you are sincere about your apologies, you could've just stopped with that without slapping defwarn. Also, your comments on Dinesh's talk page were also not warranted. Refraining from that would've given you some brownie points if you ever went for dispute resolution. I'd advise you to wait for sometime before you edit contentious articles even if you feel their current state is not fair. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * My advice was to help you not get banned and present your views. I can understand that in matters of passion, people get emotional and start fighting. But, that'll only harm your "cause" of representing pro-Marathi views if you get banned. I don't say that Sarvagnya or Dinesh do not have a POV, but your purpose will be served better if you don't get banned and make your edits without any personal attacks. If they revert you, approach a neutral admin from this list. It's up to you. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to AMA Request
Hello Mahawiki,

I am writing in response to your recent AMA request. While I have no previous background whatsoever in the issues you and several others have been contesting, I do have some background in the WP:DR process, which was aquired over the summer in a long term campaign I ran against two biased editors. From what I understand, there are limits to what can be effectively done through Advocacy or other stages in the Dispute Resolution process. Basically, the success of these efforts depends on the assumption of good faith on the part of all participants, who then must be committed to working together to resolve whatever POV issues are at stake. This is how the process would work ideally. If you think you can assume good faith on the part of the people whose edits you have been contesting, and are willing to work together with them towards developing an NPOV account of the areas contested in the article, then the AMA process should work and I would be willing to take your case. If on the other hand the problem has more to do with the personal behavior of any editors who are entirely unwilling or unable to work with others, then I can tell you ahead of time the AMA process will not work. If I take the case and find out the problem has more to do with anyone's personal conduct than with a content issue then I will terminate the case and recommend that parties in accord with WP policies issue Requests for Comment on any suspect users.

If you decide to take me on as your advocate I may be able to communicate with you once or twice a day, at most. You can send me an email or communicate with me via my talk page. Best Regards, Amerique 00:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Mahawiki,


 * I understand from your message on my talk page that you consider the POV dispute largely resolved due to the intervention of Aksi_Great and sunder. I will continue to monitor the involved articles as you requested. Thanks for contacting the AMA and attempting to gather 3rd person input. I suggest, if you ever don't feel you can reach a consensus with other users regarding POV issues and want to gather more input, post a straw poll at WP:POLLS or an article content request for comment at WP:RFC. Feel free to contact me if you ever need any advice or someone to act for you in an advocacy capacity. Best Regards,--Amerique 05:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Mahawiki,


 * Now that the page is protected, I suggest disengaging from further direct confrontatons with your various antagonists in favor of trying to establish a larger consensus for your edits. To be honest, I've checked out the discussions on various user pages and there does not seem to be any foundation of mutual good faith for a diplomatic attempt at advocacy to work. I can't effectively represent your concerns to someone entirely unwilling to work with you. And you can't show or prove yourself to be in the right to third party observers by continuing to quarrel with them. So, I strongly recommend designing a survey to gather and register concerned opinions on the issue and posting it to the article's talk page and listing it here: WP:POLLS. If the survey does not show consensus, or if the consensus goes against you, it will at least show that you are trying to gather input and are willing to work with others in doing so.


 * As I understand, the main item leading to the dispute is whether Marathi is an official language of Belgaon. To me, whether or not the language is official, it still should be recognized as the language of the proportion of the population who speak it primarily, and the issue is over how to incorporate recognition of this linguistic group into the article. Send me your ideas for phrasing the survey and I will work with you on it. I won't be online much tonight or tomorrow, but should be online again two days from now. Best, --Amerique 20:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Mahawiki,


 * Ok, what I meant by "phrasing the survey" is try to determine the proper words to use to describe the issues leading to the POV dispute. From what I understand, a specific issue leading to the larger dispute is over whether the Marathi language, and by extension the Marathi speaking population, is appropriate to make reference to in the Belgaum articles. To me, the significant work done on the border dispute section confirms that it is appropriate, so the underlying question seems to be how to incorporate broader references to the Marathi linguistic population within the rest of the article. To me, just listing the Marathi names for things is entirely appropriate and NPOV, but I can't argue for or against any claims as to origins or meanings of any terms or concepts. I propose writing a survey to attempt to gather more opinion from outsiders or onlookers to the practical matters underlying this debate, which the many personal attacks have entirely obscured, but I want to be sure I have identifyed what the issues are correctly.


 * Some sample survey questions might be:


 * Is it appropriate to list Marathi names for things within the Belgaum article?


 * Does this reference here: "_" show that Marathi is an official language of Belgaum?


 * And more questions for anything else that is being contested. Best,--Amerique 03:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

In the case of this proposed survey, I beseech ahead of time the assumption of good faith on the part of all participants. The point of doing this would not be for any majority to decide what is "true" or even what goes into the article, but to determine what various users feel is legitimate or NPOV information. On your call I will post the first survey question to the talk page of the article to see how the response goes. Best, --Amerique 05:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Mahawiki,
 * There does not seem to be much more I can do with this article. I agree with your basic premise that Marathi scripts belong in the article, alongside other scripts, but I think the lack of good faith on both sides of this project will keep the article a war zone. I would like to recommend further steps in dispute resolution, but with the consistent lack of good faith and unwillingness to compromise I don't see how any formal steps in WP:DR could work. I recommend continuing to try to get second and third opinions and establishing consensus for all your editing activities. This is the only way to effectively do things on WP, as opposed to making arguments or possibly offending people. Best of luck,--Amerique 20:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

Well, until the article is unprotected I don't think there is much more I can say on the conflict as it stands currently. In event of further reverts or deletions without reason I do not recommend responding in kind. Sustained activity of this sort can be reported on the appropriate link here: WP:AN. I do not recommend making personally-based accusations against editors who are opposed to your activities, as this will look bad on you and on the objectives you support. (Speaking frankly, to clear things up you should probably apologize to some of those you've offended, whether intentionally or not.) If you want to make arguments strictly based on sources and on WP policy in an informal 3rd party mediated environment I suggest proposing WP:MEDCAB to opposing editors. I don't think the more formal steps in WP:DR would serve either side in these disputes any good, at this point. Formal DR steps are probably something both sides want to avoid, but you must remember that everything you post to WP can be taken as evidence against you should any individual user decide to initiate these steps against you. I'll serve as your advocate to the extent I can, but I can't promise much. Best,--Amerique 06:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: My plea about Belgaon article
Hello. I know I am late, but I had to stay away for 2 days due to personal reasons. The only thing that I want to say now is not to be emotional about this issue. There is no need to rake up past issues now. Whatever Sarnagnya may have done before I came to the picture is of no concern. The important thing is that things are better now. Forget about any edits he may have made in the past. And whatever you do, please obey wikipedia rules to edit here. You have almost broken 3RR again today regarding the Marathi name. That rule is non-negotiable whatever may be your justification. I am not going to report you, but that does not allow you to go on like this. Discuss the issue on the talk page first if reverted. You had put a comment about the marathi name on the talk page. That was a good thing, but you could have waited for some more discussion to take place. I request you to take some time off. Wikipedia can be stressing for people. Even a 1 day break can be quite relaxing. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 12:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no verdict. Neither of you is bound to the so-called "verdict". I am not the arb-com, nor an official mediator. In fact I am not even an administrator. Just a concerned wikipedian. You have as much say in this matter as I have. The photo which you have given is a very good one. Now, what you can do is add the link to Belgaum talk page. See how the others react to it. If that is indeed a picture of the mahapalika then that should be enough. This is what you should have done before reverting to it in the article. This is ho wikipedia works. One of the pillars on which wikipedia works is "verifiability, not truth". This may seem to be surprising at first glance. But it is just something that you must accept while editing anything. So when you say "despite the clear mention of usage of Marathi in Belgaon Mahanagarpalika" you must have a link (like the one you provided) before adding anything to wikipedia. If all the people and media decide tomorrow that the sky is brown not blue, then wikipedia must follow suit. We are not here to decide whether it is true or not. Hope you undertands. Go ahead and discuss on the talk page of the article. I will keep an eye on it. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Vande Mataram
Our buddy Sarvagnya had a problem with using Hindi/Devanagari on there. I heard you had a problem with him too.Bakaman Bakatalk 15:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

False warnings
Please don't ever use false warnings like these  again. You do not have the technical ability to block another editor, and those warnings would not have been appropriate anyway. Please leave the warning to the administrators or other uninvolved editors in this case. Furthermore, as per WP:VAND, mischaracterizing anothers' edits as vandalism in a content dispute is a breach of incivility.

If you are involved in a content dispute, the proper solution is to calmly pursue dispute resolution, which means you should not make attacks, edit war, or use a confrontational tone in discussion, but rather engage in mediation and compromise. Dmcdevit·t 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Others' misconduct does not excuse ones's own. You've given me a red herring, when I came here to warn you about your misconduct, and ask you to correct it. That's all. Dmcdevit·t 19:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of warning
I removed the warning because test6 cannot be given by ordinary users like you and me. It is reserved for admins to give to users who have been blocked from editing due to vandalism. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just ask yourself what purpose these warnings would serve? Instead stick to the talk pages of these articles and discuss issues there. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But Maharashtrians are called Marathis, Gujarat people Gujaratis and Kannada people Kannadigas. If people are getting offended with your use of Kannadi then you should stop. Just for the sake of not hurting others. What say you? - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No one is about to get blocked. As long as both of you discuss the issue on the talk page, I have no problem. But you must reach a consensus. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Conduct
Please refrain from shouting at other users in Caps Lock and calling people vandals, or implying that they are "dumb" - You are pushing the line.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Maharashtracha Vijay Aso !!!!!
Hi Mahawiki,

Great to know that there is atleast one true Marathi here, who's fighting for our asmita. I have been seeing what things are going on in this site for quite sometime now. People are constantly vandalising Marathi-related articles like Shivaji, Marathi, Maratha, Maharashtra, Mumbai and many others. I didn't know about Belgaum article being vandalised. We'll stand united and defeat the vandal hordes trying to break the Marathi self-respect.

I must tell you that i didn't mean what I said about Brahmins because those were stray instances of betrayal. And I very well know that Marathi Brahmins are extremely loyal to our Marathi culture and are great marathi nationalists. Heck, infact, they have contributed a lion's share to the development of our Marathi culture. Casteism is wrong but some people are hell bent on dividing the Marathi community. Just see the Shivaji page. An ill-informed user is trying to put Brahmin-Maratha conflict there in a way of "Coronation" section. That's why I got really angry. But I also know there are people like you. I totally agree with what you say. If there is a legitimate conflict between North-Indian Hindus and Marathi Muslims then I would support the Marathi Muslims. I am pained to see the state of religious pluralism in our state. Our state has always been a religiously pluralist state unlike other regions like Gujarat, UP or Bengal which are communally polarised. But the recent spate of incidents where North Indian Muslims provoke Marathi Muslims and North Indian Hindutvavadis along with a few of our own rabble rousers provoke Marathi Hindus to go against each other are heart-breaking. Also, we must understand that our Marathi community is the most religiously diverse community in the whole India. We have Marathi Muslims, Marathi Christians (esp. Vasaikars), Marathi Buddhists (Neo-Buddhists or Nava Boudh) and also Marathi Jews (aka Bene Israel). And all of these people have contributed to the development of the Maharshtra culture and identity. Also regional differences like Deshi/Deshast people, Malvani and Konkani people, Vidarbhiya are not going to divide us. I personally feel that if there is a strong sense of ethno-linguistic identity, then religious conflicts will never happen. Sadly our politicians never let it happen. They know the consequences.

Also, Maharashtra and Maharashtrians are almost always given a raw deal by other Indians. Still our elders are shouting from the rooftop against Western influences on Marathi, as they are influenced by the other Indians. But what they don't understand is that Western culture/influence is not a threat on Marathi culture !!! The real threat is the other Indian cultures which are unfairly suppressing our Marathi culture. I reiterate my point - Punjabi/Gujarathi/South Indian/North Indian cultures are suppressing our culture in Mumbai. And it won't be long before they reach Pune or the sheltered Konkan.

I have been ranting about things. I hope you will understand and agree with this. We need to be united against these thugs.

--Sawai Raja 07:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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Also I forget to mention that article on Rashtrakuta Empire has been totally Kannadified by a user. I dont know much about Rashtrakuta but I feel that it was a precursor of Marathi culture. And I have heard that Marathi language comes from Rashtrakuti language, which surprisingly has no mention in the Rashtrakuta Empire. Maybe you know something about that. Check it out, bro.

--Sawai Raja 07:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Your irresponsible comments
Hey, please refrain from insulting Kannada people on your comments. This is not something you should be doing on Wikipedia. --SunderKrishnan 17:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello. Don't worry, I am very much in touch with latest on the Belgaum front. I have taken a back-seat as Wikiamerique is doing a good job. I will help when need arises. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And yes, I have a request. When you leave a message on my talk page, create a new section using the + button on top. This keeps my page better organised. Or you could add your comments to a previous discussion between us, otherwise I could miss reading your message (as I did today). Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Dinesh Kannadabadi
Hi mahawiki, I've been observing, you've been fighting for Mrathi cause for some time now. Keep up the good work. Did you read the inflammatory article written by Dinesh Kannadabadi on Belgaon talk page. I have replied him. Check out his talk page - User talk:Dineshkannambadi. He may try to delete my reply because of embaraasment. But you can check it out in history of his talk page. Fly the Marathi flag high soaring up in the sky !!! And thrash maggots like Kannadabadi to dust !!!!

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 14:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanx, Mahawiki
Mahawiki, I must thank you for your support and I salute you for your enduring and endearing work to fight Marathi-haters. I know, there are a few others who are standing for the Marathi cause as well. We must all unite and keep these anti-Marathi people at bay. --Arya Rajya Maharashtra 15:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannadabadi Is On A Spree
Kannadabadi has resorted to childish and vandal-like acts now. Check out his edits to the Maratha article. Click on this link here to see his edits - diff1. He did the same thing with Maratha Empire article. I checked out the other articles that he is frequently editing - Rajkumar, Rashtrakuta, Belgaon, et all. The articles have been reduced to Kannada-propaganda tools and nothing else. This user must be checked. I also checked the talk pages of these articles as well as the talk-page of Kannadibadi. The fellow seems to be a Kanadda fanatic. Really bad for Wikipedia. But I know truth will prevail. Victory will be ours, Mahawiki. I have decided to actively participate in contributing to this site, just for the truth and the Maharashtra cause. Take care.

Maharashtracha Vijay Aso

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 15:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

VGowda ha Kannadabadicha Sockpuppet aahe
mahawiki, kasa aahes ? Kannadabadine aata navin sockpuppet kadhl aahe. Vgowda ha presumably tyachach ID aahe ashi malaa shankha nasun khaatri aahe. Tula kay vatate ? Hya Kannada fanatics ni kaahi articles chi vaat lavun taakli aahe. Rashtrakutala tag lavle aahes he uttam kelas. Pun ha Vgowda che comments paahiles ? Kahhihi lihile aahe. Mi svataha hun tyana shivigal naahi keli re. Mi fakht loser aani fool mhanalo. Shivigal dyaychi jhali aahes tar ashi dili asti ki changlich jhomli asti. Aaplyala tyanna dakhavun dile paahije ki Marathicha apmaan karnaryanche aapun kashi vaat lavato te. Bye for now. Kaaljhi ghe and kaahi madat laglyaas mala nakki comment kar. --Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Remain civil
Your comments on the Rashtrakuta talk page and Dinesh Kannambadi's talk page and elsewhere have been extremely uncivil. If you have any problems with the content of a page, take it up on the talk page and provide citations and references for all your claims. Stop browbeating editors and acting in uncivil manner. Wikipedia has no place for such behaviour.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

You have been blocked for 6 hours for repeated incivility toward other editors. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Your block is about yoru behaviour not: Users: Dineshkannambdi and vgouda; If you wish to be unblocked please state why, ie: do you promise to cease your behaviour? Or option two is you wait annother 2 hours or so for your block to expire. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool down
Hey man, don't take the hate out on Blnguyen. He's helped me quite a lot on wiki, and has contributed to a ton of Indian articles.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I was referring to User_talk:Dineshkannambadi and your encouragement of Arya here. I have no plans to ban anyone at all. We won't even get to the article until people calm down and stop calling everyobdy vandals. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 04:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you would be better off trying to improve articles than hand me a list of Marathi cricketers. And perhaps improve the bios of Tendulkar and Agarkar. The Indian cricket bios really are poor - see User:Tintin1107/Status. I think your battlefield mentality is hindering your attempts to get a proper article. Sachin Tendulkar is in very poor shape, and since Dravid is supposed to be Marathi by birth, well hopefully User:Blnguyen/Rahul Dravid is an improvemtn to the main article. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Niraash Nako Hous
Mahawiki, I feel extremely sorry that you got blocked. Block cha dhabba lagayla naahi pahije hota. Pun niraash hou nakos. Satyachi vijay honaarach. Mi Blnguyen la suddha reply dile aahe. Aapan aata legitimately tyaana uttar deuya. Aani majhya talkpagevar comment dyayla sankoch karu nakos. Tyaat gair naahi. Pun, mi tujha Blnguyen la dilela reply "Admin and God" paahila. Tula raag yene jaayaz aahe, punh admin var raag vyakt karu nakos. System var vishwas thev. Justice milnaarach. Aani thoda tari yash haati aale aahe - Vgowda la 3 divasankarita blcok kele aahe. Tyaamule, nirash hou nakos. Aani kaaljhi ghe. Bye.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 07:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, te lok halla karit aahet. Sarvdnya ne tujhyabaddal complaint keli aahe Bingyaun kadhe. Majhya mate to jastach masala lavun tujhya baddal vait sangto aahe. Tyala todis tod uttar de. I dont know much about those discussions. Mhanun, tulach tyala reply dyava laagel. Take care.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello guys... i think i was one of the first Maharashtrians on Wikipedia (i came sometime in May 2004). I used to maintain Maharashtra article before i left Wikipedia a few months ago. It seems you guys are having some problems on Maharashtrian articles... do let me know if you want any help.

अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

Dont worry about getting spanked by the admins... its a part of WikiLife! You seem to be one of the more balanced Maharashtrian contributers here. Actually dude, i've read some of your anti-North Indian anti-Kannadiga posts. Well methinks they reek of nihilism. Even though i'm only a half-Maharashtrian and havent spent much time in India, i know about those 'ghatti' slurs thrown are our folks. Just ignore them, let the fools show their colours. We arent inferior to anyone. Those who disregard our culture, language and historic significance are insensitive idiots. Lets not massage their superiority complex with nihilistic poss like the ones left by Sawai Raja.

Lastly, even though my mum belongfs to Maratha community i'm saddened by the virulent anti-Brhaminism of fellow Maratha posters. I apologise on their behalf. Let the bygones begones moreover Marathas werent exactly epitomes of virtue!

I'll conclude by saying consider yourself to be an Indian first, a Marathi later. Dont let inter-Indian rivalry spill over into Wikipedia. Reach a compromise if necessary. Afterall we Maharashtrians have always compromised and adjusted for others (my paternal folks Sindhis are eternally indebted to Maharashtra for giving them refuge)...

अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 18:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * sigh*... Maybe as i havent experienced anti-Marathi prejudice, i cant relate to your experiences... Though i know the tendency of South Bombay snobs to berate Marathi. I think this prejudice is sustained through national media which is run from Mumbai. Bu then again, all people are stereotyped, Sikhs,Bengalis,South Indians... that is one thing you havent thought of. Competing nationalisms can easily rip India apart.

अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 19:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

But hate will get you nowhere. Who is responsible for the despicable condition of Marathis in Mumbai? Marathis themselves... The only way to break this North-Indian superiority complex IS to earn economic power... We have dozed for long enough...  अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey  19:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well i dont know about Indian Copyright laws, but under British Crown Copyright laws, you can reproduce a copyrighted. Photographing it will be considered reproduction. Still you can upload the images on Magazine covers, as they are cosidered fair-use... अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 19:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I think he referred to the last part where you called him a "brat". I've told Sarvagnya to take the courtesy to voice his concerns by pointing out what he does not like. The other thing is to focus on what is an accurate portrayal of the topic, rather than thinking in terms of a Maharashtra vs Karantaka mentality. The posts on the talk page shows that everybody is speculating too much about each other's personal attitudes to regional bias in India, rather than what is correct info. I think perhaps if people can put down a simple statement about what parts of the article are misleading or unbalanced I can have a look, but if people continue to have 75% innuendo and speculation on regional bias/aggro and ascribing motives then a mediator can never see what the content issue unless they sit on a computer 16 hours a day with nothing else to do but try and decipher something which is not clearly stated but is mixed into rambling personal complaints. Also, wrt your edits to User:Blnguyen/Rahul Dravid I was hoping that the best way forward was to give comprehensive info about the accomplishments that Maharashtra has given to cricket, rather than a superficial addition like his name in Marathi script. There is nothing bannable about your dialog with Arya, except that other people seeing a battle mentality may have trouble working with you because of how they perceiv your attitude. Another Indian admin had already tranlstated it for me. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No you are not allowed to call other people names even if you are not confornting them. I have also made some comments in talk for Akkalkot, Solapur and Konkani language. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo
Generally no. If you take a photo of a photo, then you can only use it to describe the photo itself not what the photo describes. Basically, if I take a photo of a biography about Sachin Tendulkar, I can only use it to discuss the biography about Tendulkar, I cannot use it to talk about Tendulkar himself. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If the photo is under copyvio, then, you can't photocopy it and say "this is a photo of X temple" and put in X temple. You can only use it to describe the work of the photographer. People have been trying to add TIME magazine photos to Sachin Tendulkar - this is only allowed to discuss TIME magazine, not Tendulkar. So th photocopied photo can only be used to talk about the photographer, not what the photo describes. You'll have to dig up your holdiay photos basically, or photos which are expired. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The latest fair use criteria take this one step further: the interpretation of WP:FUC #1 is that a fair use photo cannot be used to depict anyone still living. Relevant discussion is on WP:ANI and User talk:Crzrussian -- Samir धर्म  05:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Mahawiki, sorry to have just crept into the conversation. I think that the interpretation is: for any living person, you have to have a free picture (one taken yourself or obtained from another free site).  Otherwise, the photo won't qualify as "fair use" (meaning that Wikipedia can use it without copyright for limited purposes).  -- Samir धर्म  06:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For non-living beings it's a little sketchier. The broadest interpretation would be that if a photo could theoretically be taken for free of the object, we should wait for a free alternative instead of using a fair use image.  This is all developing of the past few days, so all that I've said may not be valid -- Samir धर्म  06:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Mahawiki, kasa aahes ? Tujhe barobar aahe. Aapan aata Marathi related articles improve karuya. Tu mala saang tu konte articles improve karit aahes. Aapan tya articles na featured status paryant aananyacha prayatna karu. OK. Chal, bye aani kaaljhi ghe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 05:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Mi aata online aahe. thik aahe. Aapan Marathi la develop karuya. Mi thoda matter add karto. Rashtrakuta baddal tu changlich ladhat dilees. Arre, malaa rashtrakuta baddal jast maahit naahi re. Mhanun, mi jaast edit karu shaklo naahi.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 06:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Mahawiki. You need to remain cool and not let yourself be troubled by others' words. I have total faith in Blnguyen (and most of the admins). I have seen Blnguyen in action and one thing I know is that he will never judge a situation on the basis of only one side. He is the sole mediator in almost all Indian disputes and till now he is doing a fabulous job. There are a lot more people watching over this dispute than there were before. A few points of advice - (1) Stick to your decision to stay away from talk pages of the Sarvangya unless it is absolutely critical. Keep your discussions with him limited to the talk pages of articles. (2) I have seen you allege that many articles are no longer neutral and that they are biased. I would urge you to provide diffs to prove your point. The diffs will show a previous version and a new version by which we can see the changes made. For example - this is a diff. (3) To divert yourself from these disputes, try and improve Maharashtra related articles. You could join up with User:Arya Rajya Maharashtra and User:AMbroodEY and decide a list of articles which must be improved. And finally (4) My name is Akash, not Akshay :). Cheers - Aksi_great (talk) 18:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have the page on my watchlist. As for the Marathi translators - I know of only Nichalp. But you don't need admins for that. Why don't you post at WT:INWNB for help. Someone should respond. Ok then, I'm done for the day. If you need anything more, leave a message on my talk page and I'll deal with it tomorrow. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Development Of Articles
Hi Maawiki,

kasa aahes ? Mi kaahi pages madhye Marathi transliteration add kele aae. Tu pahiles majhya contributions madhye tar Kandivali, Santacruz, Aurangabad, ityaadi articles madhye mi transliteration add kele aahe. Aata Marathi language cha article chaan pane develop hoto aahe. Tar aata mi ek article pahila. Marathi people he tya aticle che title. Tya article la expand kele ta faar uttam hoil. Aata tari te article khupac lahaan aahe. Tya manaane Gujarati people var che article paha. Tya lokani changlech mothe banavale aahe. Aapan maghe rahun kaay fayda naahi. Mi te develop karayla gheto aahe. Tujhya kadhe kaahi ideas, sources, references va kahihi matter asel tar tyat zaroor add kar. Chall, bye. Kaljhi ghe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 12:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Info about Belgaum assembly session
I saw that you have deleted info somebody put about the Belgaum assembly session saying that there was no citation. It is inappropriate to delete such stuff without asking for citations on the talk page. the person who put it in might be new to WP and this can probably be considered 'biting' a newbie. This info is definitely true as any quick search of the net will tell you and whats more is far from a bad faith edit.

If we were to start deleting every word that's uncited on WP, we wouldnt have much left neither on Marathi related pages nor on Wikipedia in general. If you dont have the patience to take it to the talk page, just add a tag next to the line/s for which you need sources. That is the way to go about it, not by simply deleting it. Sarvagnya 20:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanx
Thankx, Mahawiki. Te article mi develop karit aahe. Do contribute to that article. I would like you to contribute to especially, the Marathi culture (a new section should be created for this), How Marathi people came together for a cause (esp. the Sanyukta Maharashtra Chalwal) and of course, the marathi transliteration of the title. I am sure you'd be more than happy to edit the article and add valuable contributions.

I think they are Maharashtrians, because their surname is Pandit and also their sister is a Marathi singer or so I heard. I am not too sure though.

Again, thanx and keep the Marathi flag flying high.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 12:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Great Contributions
You have done a great job indeed on putting Marathi transliterations on Maharashtra-related articles. Also, good job on articles like Marathi people. Keep up the good work. And BE BOLD !. Wikipedia needs people like you.

-- N R Stalk 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
And here's a barnstar for your excellent contributions on the transliterations -- N R Stalk 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people article
Hi mahawiki, I feel the article has been expanded very well in the last three days, I guess and it has a strong case to be featured on the Wikipedia mainpage as "Did You Know" (DYK) entry. If it is featured, I think there is no other bigger tribute for our Marathi roots. Just expand the article a little more and try to find an interesting fact from the article, a fact which is somewhat universal for Marathi people. For more on DYK, you can ask a administrator to help you. I am sure this article can reach DYK status. The eligibility for DYK status is significant expansion (1000 words) in the last 5 days. I think, it's only 3 days since this article has been expanded. So there is still a chance. Just expand the article even more. I have added some more material to the article. Names of religious figures.Just check them if they are correct. I have added Sai Baba, Gajanan Maharaj and Swami Samarth apart from some saints. What do you say ?

-- N R Stalk 04:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mahawiki. I see that you've been working on this article, and want it to go on the mainpage in the Template:Did you know section. I have been quite active there in the past (I have 44 DYK entries and am one of the admins who helps to update and process the entries - seeUser:Blnguyen/Contributions the DYK are in italics - you can check the history to see how I've expanded, eg, Harbhajan Singh, Yuvraj Singh, Yograj Singh, Shanthakumaran Sreesanth, Parthiv Patel). At the moment you will need sources for the article and also NPOV - eg, the comment about Marathis dominating cricket is POV, especially as India has not been dominating cricket. Also the expansion applies to actual TEXT, not LISTS, so you will want to make the main body more comprehensive - as the main expansion is by adding names to the list. If you get it done, then go to Template talk:Did you know and add your suggestion.

Also if you want to get the article to Featured article status, the highest quality of article, you can look at Azerbaijani people for some ideas in the long run. The last thing is that the collage pic you created of famous Marathis is not allowed - you make put some pictures together - this is not OK as the picture of Madhuri Dixit is actually copyrighted and unfree, so you can't reprocess it, so it will have to be deleted. Finally, I'd like to commend you for your work in the last few days...we are not here to attack Maharashtra. Regards, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 07:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Cauvery
When I saw the article, the Tamil transliteration looked fine. Which dispute are you talking about? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was there when I saw that. Only now I noticed that they removed it. I've put a comment in the talk page and shall reinsert the transliteration. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Maharashtrian people.jpg
Hello! Nice work with this image. However, I'm afraid that there are some problems that disallow us from using it on Wikipedia. The images used to derive the said image are not available under a free license : The image Image:Lata.jpg is tagged as possibly unfree, Image:Bal Gangadhar Tilak.JPG does not have a copyright tag, Image:Shivaji Maharaj.jpg does not have a source tag and Image:Madhuri_Dixit.jpg is a fair use copyrighted image. Hence, I'm forced to tag the image for deletion. In case any clarifications are required, please feel free to drop me a message on my talk page.-- thund e rboltz(Deepu) 10:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Basically, you can only make a collage out of those pictures which are "free" - the Madhuri Dixit pic is "fair use", so it cannot be modified for further use and cannot be used outside the "Madhrui Dixit" page. You can make a collage only from pictures which are "free" use. IF you read the Dixit pic, it tells us that it is copyrighted we are only allowed to use it to describe Dixit herself. As to the time limit, you have 5 days since the last substantial expansion. As for the cricket thing, it would be better to describe what Gavaskar, Tendulkar and DRavid have achieved and their records, rather than a generalistation like "dominated", perhaps you can find stats about the performance of Mumbai cricket team and Maharashtra cricket team in the Ranji Trophy or Deodhar Trophy. I can't say I follow Indian cricket pre-2000, but for example Punjab is a much smaller state and they have had many good players also - Bishen Singh Bedi, Navjot Singh Sidhu, Harbhajan Singh, Yuvraj Singh, so you need evidence of "dominance". Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like Blnguyen's got here before me. I'm sorry if there has been a slight miscommunication in my earlier message. I was not being sarcastic when I said the image was looking good. I was, in fact, appreciating how much it added to the appeal of the article.
 * Wikipedia's rules aren't that confusing. They might overwhelm you in the beginning; but trust me, they become as easy as ABC with a little experience. As Blnguyen has already explained, just check the image's description page and the licensing terms given there before using the image to prepare a collage. It is important that wikipedia upholds its policy on copyrights, or else it could be sued by the original copyright holders. Regarding your question on where to get free images, this link might help. Cheers, and happy editing!-- thund e rboltz(Deepu) 06:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people
Thanks for your message. My response is here:. I wish you all the best. --Bhadani 14:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people and User:Sarvagnya
Hi mahawiki, it would be great if Marathi people would be elevated to "featured" or "DYK" status. I already saw your dialogue with NRS and Bhadani. We'll improve the article.

By the way, our stalker Sarvagnya is back and is upto his old tricks again. Just check out his edits to the Marathi people article here - diff. Also check his edit summaries on the article history page here - History. He seems to be hell bent on undoing our hard work. Something needs to be done about him. I am removing most of his tags. Bye and take care.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 06:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, thanx. Tu velewar aalas. Naahitar to sarvagnya jaastach karat hota. Marathi manasacha hinga tyaane paahila naahi aahe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 11:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, cool down
Mahawiki, shant ho. Don divas mi zaraa busy hot. He bagh, mi aalo aahe. Don't worry. Sarvagnya bharpur prayatna karto aahe tujhyavar sood ugavnyacha, pan to tyat yashashvi naahi honaar. Shant chittane kaam kar. Kaljhi ghe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Refrain from Revert Wars
Please refrain from Revert-warring. Also, do not refer to other users as trolls. May lead to serious violation of Wikipedia rules

Patrolling the  ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove warnings from your user-page. It is a serious violation of Wikipedia's policies. I have recieved a complaint against you 1. Please maintain civility in Wikipedia.

Patrolling the  ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 08:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouting
Please do not "SHOUT", as you did on User talk:Blnguyen. It is considered incivil. Thank you. Mar de Sin  Talk to me!  20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you prove that shouting is still a problem with that user, I will talk to him. Thanks.  Mar de Sin   Talk to me!  19:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have noticed incivility by Sarvagnya, and I have addressed the issue with him too.  Mar de Sin   Talk to me!  19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Another user has already warned Sarvagnya about his removal of talk page messages. I would really recommend you to try to be nice to Sarvagnya, in spite of all the tension between you guys. I would say that being nice and patient is much more forceful than being mean and unkind, and can help you go a long way. Thank you,  Mar de Sin   Talk to me!  23:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

What's goin' on
Hey, Mahawiki, what's goin' on ? I was busy for sometime, couldn't get time to be online. Whats happening ? Who is this Tipu ? And why is Sarvagnya complaining 'bout you everywhere ? I saw your contribs. Online ashshil tar reply kar.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh my, Mahawiki, Marathi people cha talk page bagh. He log aajun anti-Marathi rantings karata aahet. Kahihi lihat aahet. Ha konitari navin aala aahe. Tyanchyach gang madhla asnaar. He tar ati hot aahe. Tuch bagh.

-Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people article
Mahawiki, ignore Sarvagnya, Kiritnut Kamut, Vgaonwada and other Kannadi fanatics for now. Simply because, it is affecting our efficiency. The Marathi people article hasn't been expanded that much. Now what we'll do is in the next 5 days we'll expand the article by more than 1000 characters. We'll make the article as good as a featured article. So, we can nominate it for DYK or even a "featured article" (though this would require some help from our admin friends and other users). I am starting a new edit now. So we need to expand it substantially within 5 days from now on. What we'll do is we'll inform good-hearted editors to contribute to this article so that it will stand up to Wiki Standards. I think, we'll also invite Marathi users who'll contribute. But we'll both have to contribute heavily. I am sure you'll be happy to contribute. But if this time Sarvagnya and his troupe comes around we'll have to stay cool and do things. I will also find out other interesting Marathi-related articles which can be expanded. So, what are we waiting for. Let's start the good work....

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 08:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, mahawiki, we can still put it into DYK. I read the DYK Rules article and here's the excerpt of the eligibility - " Eligible articles may only be up to 5 days old, or significantly expanded beyond 1000 characters in the last 5 days.". So if we significantly expand the article in 5 days we can still put it into DYK.

Yes, I think, it's high time the admin does something about Sarvagnya's uncivil behaviour.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am starting to edit the article now. What we can do is we can add new sections and sub-sections like "History"; "Culture"; "Food"; "Problems faced by Marathi people"; "Literature"; "Geographical Distribution"; "Marathi Communities"; "Achievements After Independence" and more.... Whaddyasay ?

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I saw the Azerbaijani article. We can model our article that way. I also participated in the Wikiproject on Ethnic Groups and I have put Marathi people's mention there in pending tasks assessment. You can also join the project - WikiProject Ethnic groups. Check out my contribs.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

User :Kirtinat Kamat
Kirtinatkamat,perhaps a sockpuppet of blocked user Vgowda,has been posting obscene messages.Plz take action against him.


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mahawiki#Marratty_Kiddieezz
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Marathi_people#Marattti_People_No_Good

Apart from it,I need help at archiving.I have posted some code at my talk page but its not being archived.Thanks. mahawiki 12:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that he would be careful. --Bhadani 13:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am unable to resolve the technical problem. Please request some other person who may be of help. --Bhadani 13:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Archival
Hi Mahawiki, saw your message on Bhadaniji's page. Give me five minutes. I'll set Werdnabot right for you -- Lost (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks set now. But do go through the points to remember on this page. It will run once in six hours so you may have to wait for some time -- Lost (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, its set to archive messages 10 days or older only. And messages without the timestamps will not be archived. Which means the welcome message will not be archived as it has no time stamp. Similarly any other messages where the user did not use the four tildes for signing, will not be archived automatically. -- Lost (talk) 13:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

reply
It is not as if Ambhi and Porus were best friends when Alexander attacked. Yet a unified response could have prevented India from falling into the hands of foreign powers. A thousand years later the Marathas made the same error - and not that they could beat the British themselves. This is the eternal tragedy of Indian history, repeated over and over... Rama's arrow 16:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes its not just the Marathas fault - most kings made this mistake throughout history. In the end there was no "Muslim raj" or "Hind Swaraj" - just "British Raj." Rama's arrow  16:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
It seems that you and Sarvagnya really have a conflict going on. I'm sorry but I am not able to mediate, although it would be a good idea to request mediation WP:MEDCAB, or through an administrator that you know. Blnguyen may be a good choice, but since he is on a Wikibreak, it's best to request someone else. I'd suggest finding someone knowledgable on Indian topics to mediate. And you may request to undelete a page here. Thank you, Mar de Sin   Talk to me!  16:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Article deletion and "undeleting"
Hi Mahawiki, this is in response to your comments on talk pages of User:BInguyen and User:Basawala, about User:Sarvagnya removing/deleting/undeleting Kaveri and/or Kaveri River Water Dispute article(s).

Please note that, any user cannot remove or delete or undelete an article. Article deletion has to go through a formal process and definetely involves a discussion. Please refer to Afd for more details on deletion process. Also, for best of my knowledge, an article once deleted cannot be "undeleted". So, your sentences such as "Perhaps he has undeleted it himself,as he gave me the link today and its working.I and another editor at Kaveri was unable to find it yesterday" are not valid and might be considered as personal attack. Just my two cents. Thanks. - KNM Talk - Contribs 17:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Arya here
Hey Mahawiki, I will start expanding the Marathi_people article sometime today. You too come and contribute. I think you'll start contributing from tomorrow. Get as much stuff you can from those libraries and we'll expand the article.

By the way, I have just created a new signature. How does it look ?

-  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  07:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

fact tag and citations
Hi, you have removed the fact tags from Belgaum article in this edit. In Wikipedia, fact tag has to be removed only after providing the necessary citations. Please do not remove fact tags from articles, without providing the citations. Also please refrain from calling names such as "notorious". Thank you! - KNM Talk - Contribs 04:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Development
Hey mahawiki, I have started expanding the Marathi people article again. I have added a section on History. Chec it out. And expand the article with references as much as possible. By the way, you know the Yadavas of Deogiri ? Just check their article - Yadava Dynasty.

--  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  06:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yadava
Hey, ya bro, I also thought it was Kannadi marketing by those shameless people. I mean, Vijayanagar la Kannadize kela, mi samjhu shakto, Rashtrakuta la kela, thik aahe, pun aata Yadava la suddha ? Yadava dynasty which was based in Deogiri in proper Maharashtra is descendent of Kannadi ?!?!? Yadava in Maharashtra and official language is Kannadi ? Yadava were feudatories of Chalukya ? Yadava redirect to Seuna ?

And look closely at the notes and ref, it is "Kamat has pointed out this in his research", " Murthy is of the opinion." and other such bakwaas. I mean, when did opinions become facts ?!?!?

Mahawiki, I thought the Yadavas were of Marathi origin. These guys are telling me they are Kannadi. It won't be long before they say Satavahana, Vakataka and even Maurya was a Kannadi !!!

mahawiki, I think, we need to set things straight. Can you find some sources through which we can set facts and Marathi origin correctly.

However, we must continue expanding the Marathi people article. I am looking forward for your help on that as well. Marathis must unite !!!

BTW, I changed the color of sign. Now, does it look good.

-  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  08:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Few moments
Hello. I would request you to pleae give few moments to give your version about a mesage received by me:. I am sure that we all are here to build the Project conforming to the guidelines and procedures. Please comment on your "comments" in brief. Let us always follow WP:CIVIL in all our comments, etc. Thanks. --Bhadani 22:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hey mahawiki, mi tujha uttar pahila bhadani la. Mihi kahi goshti clear kelya aahet. Vachlas kaa majha response ? -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  04:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You and Sarvagnya
Hi! I am a Mumbaikar currently in Bangalore. I had a look at your message at User talk:Bhadani and found that Sarvagnya has also create some trouble, but I am afraid my impression is that the major trouble has been caused by you. Sarvagnya's use of phrases like Chatripati Shivaji was in bad taste, but your use of terms like Kannadi vandals in edit summaries is not acceptable either.

Sometimes, we do have edit wars, but that doesn't mean we should start losing civility. We can always sort out the matters amicably. Next time you find yourself in a controversial situation, just drop a message at Notice board for India-related topics. Folks there will make sure that the concerned article is devoid of any POV.

I guess Bhadaniji is actively dealing with this issue (tension between you and Sarvagnya), but anyway I've left a message on Sarvagnya's talk page and would love to be a peacebroker here. We've already got a lot of trouble due to regionalism in our country, let's not make a Wikipedia a place to fight things out. After all, we are Indians first and Maharashtrians & Kannadigas next. :) utcursch | talk 14:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya
mahawiki, i know he is deliberately doing all this, but we must remain calm. What happens is that we're diverted from our main motive here because of this. We must expand Marathi related articles but of course at the same time we must also delete anti-Marathi POV from this encyclopedia. We must continue our crusade against unfairness and lingual fanaticism but at the same time, people shouldn't feel that you're at fault. Let them know who the real culprits are. But again, don't give them a chance to qoute "Wikipedia rulebooks". Relax, bro. TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPHS.....infact TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS !!!!

-  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  15:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-light
I thank you for your message. However, I would request you to resolve the issued yourselves. Once you do it, you shall find a new wiki-light enveloping your wiki-life. However, in case, you fail to resolve the issues, please take up the same at a better and the proper place. Regards and all the best!. --Bhadani 17:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Kaveri River
I went to make an edit to Kaveri River today, and notice that it is protected. If you and Sarvagnya will agree not to revert each other until after the issues have been resolved on the talk page, then it would be my hope that the protecting admin would be willing to lift the protection. Please consider this request. Sincerely, --BostonMA 20:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Mahawiki. I have been having a discussion with Sarvagnya on my talk page.  You may wish to take a look at that.  One of the issues that he has raised is the use of the term vandalism by you.  It may be the case that you have not used the term vandalism recently.  I will check after I submit this to you.  However, I would like you to re-read the Wikipedia Vandalism policy.  Note that good faith edits, even if they are wrong, even if they introduce a non-neutral POV etc. are not vandalism, at least according to Wikipedia usage.  Vandalism is narrowly defined as  edits which are not made in good faith (toward Wikipedia).  That is, edits which are not intended to help Wikipedia.  What has occured between you and Sarvagnya is better described as a content dispute.  It sometimes happens that editors become overly partisan or overly aggressive in their edits, in their comments and in their edit summaries.  It would be much more useful, rather than referring to this or that edit as vandalism to simply state that this or that edit does not present the facts in an NPOV manner, or to state that this or that edit lacks respectable sources.  I may be stating things you already know, so please forgive me if I am.  I would very much like to know what you think about the above.  Sincerely, --BostonMA 22:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya
Hi again!

I see the problems between you and Sarvagnya involve:
 * civility issues
 * content issues

As about civility, let bygones be bygones. Let's decide that from now onwards, both of you will be more refined while dealing with each other. That's the only way of resolving this matter. I can't really catch your necks and ask you to be friends (I would've done that that if you were both present in front of me...) Just make sure that you stay cool, don't mount personal attacks and assume good faith.

As about content issues, next time you feel that the other person is adding POV to the article, instead of starting a revert war, just drop a note at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. All editors who are knowledgable about India will try to arrive at a solution.

If everything fails, the only option is Resolving disputes. utcursch | talk 03:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I agree we'll have been wrong. But let bygones be bygones and from now onwards, let's be civil and use the notice-board for content-related issues. Also, please go through Resolving disputes carefully. :) utcursch | talk 11:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm no authority on Wikipedia. So, me keeping an eye on edits by two of you doesn't matter. But, I'll surely try to poke my nose when required. Also, keep the notice-board in mind, you are welcome to discuss any controversial issues there. :) utcursch | talk 12:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's status
Hello. ATM, I have just spent the last week in a physics conference type thing and had to prepare a poster and explain it to people etc. Also I have to prepare a talk and report in the following month so I can't be around too much...so I have only done quick edits like reverting nonsense to my watchlist. For me to go and investigate 20 diffs of alleged bad behaviour and counter-allegations and trace the history and timeline of disagreement would take too many hours at the moment. If you can point me to some content problem I might be able to have a look, as these are faster to deal with - you only have to see two pieces of info (generally). I also suspect that fixing the article is a better way as it can often remove the reason for having a dispute - at least when I went and edited Akkalkot, Solapur and Marathi people I found that demonstrating NPOV was more effective than trying to lecture people.

Marathi people is now too old to use DYK, but if you start another expansion you could try again, although the article may already be too big. As for the Madhuri pic I suspect that it isn't actually free and the guy put a fake tag up. I doubt the agents give away free pictures, only promotional ones.

Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Hi! I believe Requests for comment is the next step. utcursch | talk 12:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith
Hey mahawiki, this Sarvagnya is acting in total bad faith. I just saw his contribs and the way he has commented on Talk:Maratha Empire along with Kannadbadi and tagged the List of people known as The Great it seems it is total BAD FAITH !!! It is good that you understood the bad faith edit of KNM. It is sad that their POV pushing and bad faith edits are going unquestioned. Anyway, don't lose you cool, man. And I am setting up an e-mail address through which we can contact each other. Bye. Kaljhi ghe. -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  12:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your complaints
Dear Mahawiki, do you know about this. Sarvagnya is making complaints about you to the Admins. As such I really have not seen most of your edits that he has problems with, nor I was part of those discussions. And let me tell you, I am neither a Marathi nor a Kannadiga. But one thing is sure, I know Sarvagnya's edit history and also the way he pushes his POV which are many times void of any merit. I am sad to see how some people have so much time to waste over these things. Here I just wanted to let you be aware of the link above, in case you do not know about it. Have a nice time. Take it easy. --APandey 12:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

A Barnstar From Me As Well
Mahawiki, your diligence on bad faith edits aimed at Marathi-related articles certainly needs to be appreciated. -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  12:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done
Mahawiki, tu faarach apratim kaam kele aahes, tyaana citations provide karun. Shivaji la great na mhanane he aksharshaha bad faith madhye aahe. Ha Sarvagnya total bad faith madhye edits karit aahe, asech vatate aahe maala. Transliterations baddal hi changlich argument kelis tu. Asa aapan tyaana uttar dile paahije. Well done. -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  06:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * "शिवाजी Great नाही, असं मी कदापि म्हटलो नाही. माझा विचार फ़क्त हा आहेः "Shivaji the Great" हा commonly used term नाही. महाराष्ट्रबद्दल तुमची भावना आदरयोग्य आहे, पण विकिपीडियावर वस्तुनिष्ठ आणि संतुलित लेखन सर्वाधिक महत्त्वपूर्ण आहे. utcursch | talk 10:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Suryakanth Kamat
Hi! Can you please provide me links to relevant articles where Suryakant Kamat (or is it Suryakanth Kamath?) has been cited. I will surely take a look at these articles. Please don't think I am being partial. I am from Mumbai, so don't accuse me of being Anti-Maharashtra. I am an atheist and world citizen, so issues like regionalism, nationalism and sectarianism don't come in my way; the only rationale behind my edits is accuracy. utcursch | talk 09:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Solapur Page
Mahawiki, You were the last editor of the page "Solapur" before these lines appeared. Look at the times at which this was inserted in Solapur page. If you do a page-by-page comparison of the page then you will come to know what I am pointing at. --Ninad 17:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverts on Seuna Article
Mahawiki, just observed that you have been involved in repeated reverts in Seuna article. Please stop it and I request you to go through this policy: Three-revert rule. Thank you! - KNM Talk - Contribs 05:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Belgaum
Hello MW. Thanks for your confidence in me. However, I do not know much:. I am sorry. --Bhadani 13:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki: We don't call admins in for to do editing of pages - that would make us redundant. I am a Wikipedia editor, and I am qualified to write about Belgaum, *being* from Belgaum, and *being* a Maharashtrian, and being very non-political. I am going to remove the entire political commentary from the Belgaum article, and place it in new one called "Belgaum Border Disputes", then link to it from the bBelgaum article. You may please maintain this new article in whatever fashion you feel fit, but please do not introduce any political material in the Belgaum article, to avoid further edit wars. We Belgaum people really like to see a great, relevant and apolitical article about our hometown.

Thanks.

Achitnis 13:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply Achitnis 14:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mahawiki, you are extremely biased, and are trying to force the Maharashtrian POV onto other people. And this is *me* - a Maharashtrian - saying this. You are giving us a bad name! You have crossed the line, and are being reported for gross violation of Wikipedia rules (not just this article, but others as well). As you can see, User:Bhadani has already declined to interfere.
 * Achitnis 14:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Do whatever u want.Dont dare to say I am giving bad name to Maharashtrians.I am not forcing Maharashtrian POV,did u understand this?It is the worst confrontation I had in wikipedia.

Thanks and bye. Mahawiki 14:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Seuna
I had a look at the article. It's indeed full of pro-Kannada POV. The citations are dubious ("according to research by XYZ"). I've replaced them by. I am working on the article. I've also started discussion at Talk:Yadava Dynasty. I am waiting for other users to express their opinion. But again a word of caution here, this doesn't give you a reason to write pro-Marathi POV :-) utcursch | talk 12:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As you can see at Talk:Yadava Dynasty, I am for creation of a new article Yadava dynasty, moving Suena to it and then merging Yadava Dynasty to Yadava dynasty. But let's not rush into this; let other editors (including Dinesh) provide their views. utcursch | talk 14:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Seuna
Hi! Please don't indulge in revert wars. Let the current version with Dr. Suryanath Kamath as sources be there. I am working on this article with other sources. I referred to few books, and found that the name of the dynasty was Seuna indeed, but the word has nothing to do with Kannada. I am working on a better version of the article complete with references and devoid of any Kannada or Marathi POV. It should be ready by today evening. utcursch | talk 10:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: New name of Yadava dynasty
The Suena name reference has not been taken from Dr. Kamath's book. It has been taken from John Keay's book India:A History. The cited pages are avaialble for everybody to see at Google Book Search. However, the name Yadava dynasty is often used. So, I think it's a good name for the article to satisfy both pro-Seuna and pro-Yadava parties. By the way, the title Seuna has got nothing to do with Kannada, so it's not anti-Marathi in any way. Also, Seuna (or Sevuna) Yadavas of Devagiri is the name of a chapter in the book Yadavas Through the Ages--from ancient period to date by J.N. Singh Yadav. It is also the name of a book by A. V. Narasimha Murthy.

By the way, I did some research on Dr. Suryanath Upendra Kamath. He is not a fictious writer, but a noted historian and academician. He has an RSS background. Many of his views have been controversial: Eg. he accused Tipu Sultan of being "anti-Kannada" and anti-non-Muslims. He was the chairman of the textbook committee whose textbooks were "detoxed" in 2004. Several lines were deleted and the head of the sub-committee on Social Science textbooks S. Settar called the books "inferior" and accused them of having "saffron elements". According to a report in The Hindu, the Director of Textbooks was quoted as saying "changes were effected following criticism from historians, members of the minority communities and the public at large for the several inaccuracies in the book."

But still, he is a notable historian, so his citations are valid. As you can see, most of the historians who claim that Yadavas were Marathas are Maharashtrian (Bhandarkar, Altekar; Moraes is a Marathi-speaking Goan). Similary, most of the historians who claim that Yadavas were from Karanataka are Kannadigas (Kamath, Murthy etc.) In the article we've not stated that Yadavas were Marathas or Kannadigas. We've just said that there is difference of opinion among scholars regarding their origin, and presented these views. So, there's no POV.

I'll surely read other articles in which Dr. Kamath has been cited. I will try to add views of other noted historians to make sure that all the views are taken into consideration. utcursch | talk 12:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Like I said, here we are not stating something (eg. "Suenas were Kannadigas"). We are just providing a view poing ("Mr. XYZ is of the opinion that Suenas were Kannadigas"). This was not the case in List of people known as The Great. Just because the title of two books is "Shivaji the Great" doesn't mean that "the Great" is appended to Shivaji's name. If you disagree, I don't mind arbitration. Thanks. utcursch | talk 13:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Maharashtra
is now up and running. Please have a look. I have explained some of my choices on the talk page.

I have looked at Seuna. If Sanskrit, Marathi and Kannada are all official languages, then I feel they should all be included.eg, you can see that Israel and Israeli places have Hebrew and Arabic translieration. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Indians
I have lived for Belgaum for 34 years, my father's family has been in Belgaum for generations before that. We are all middle-class Maharashtrians, and believe me when I say we have never felt oppressed or threatened in any way. You clearly are not from Belgaum - I am convinced of that now. :) Achitnis 10:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Kamath
All I say is that Dr. Kamath is a notable historian. I've no views on whether he is a respectable or not/whether he is right or not. It's not my "verdict", just my opinion. When I get time, I will go through all the concerned articles, and add other viewpoints, so that articles become NPOV (as I did with Seuna, by adding Maratha/Marathi section). I am a little busy now, so I won't be able to go through all these articles for a few days. If you feel a sense of urgency, please raise a Request for Comment. utcursch | talk 11:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Marathi Paaul Padate Pudhe
Hey mahawiki, sorry ha, aadhi reply deu naahi shaklo. Zara busy aslyamule online navhto. Blnguyen ne Maharashtrache Portal changle banavile aahe. Aata te maintain karne aaple kartavya aahe. He Kannadi lok farach traas det aahet aaplyala. Belgaum article madhye traas detaat thik aahe, pun aata Solapur article aat hi he ludbud karu lagle aahet. Hyaana Marathi hingaa dakhavilach pahije. mahawiki, hayanche prayatna tula bhadkavnyache aahet, ta ki tu kahitari uncivil karshil aani admin tula block karel. Tu ase hou deu nakos. Pun maala he kalat naahi aahe ki he navin navin pro-Kannadi users kuthun tapakta aahet. Kannadabadi cha sod. Punh KNM, NaveenBM aani Sarvagnya ha ekach manoos aahe. He doghehi tya fanatic che sockpuppets aahet. Purvi vgowda aani kirtinut kamat sarkhe sockpuppet use kele aata he doghe aale. Achitnis hyaancha sock naahi vaatat, punh hyaancha mitra asu shakto. BTW, majhyakadhe Yadavanche ashe pustak naahi re, punh ek lekh aahe, tyaatach kaahi pustakanche references dile aahet. Tya lekhatlech matter mi Yadava Dynasty ya article madhye add kele, tyach barobar tya reference books chi suddha naava mi add keli aahet. Mi hya pustakanbaddal chaukashi keli punh mala tari yash prapt naahi zaale. Punh kuthe na kuthe tari aaplyala references sapadtilach. Eka goshtichi khant vatate. Aaplya Marathi lekhakatil kuni tya fanatic Kannadi Kamat sarkhe pro-Marathi book ka naahi lihile. Tula kon asaa lekhak kivva konte ase pustak maahit aahe ka ?

Mi Solapur article chi paristhiti paahili. Kaahitarich POV pushing chalu aahe. Anyway, mi email activate karin. Bye. Take care.

 Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  09:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, don't worry, truth will triumph. I have made a few changes to Solapur article. Will do more soon. Majhi purna khatri aahe ki NaveenBM Sarvagnyachach sockpuppet aahe.

 Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  09:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki - My E-mail
Hey mahawiki, tula block milalyache eikun faar vait vatale. He lok socks cha vaapar karit aahet. Tyaacha checkuser takala. Punh tya admins na he kalat naahi. Anyway, don't get disheartened. We'll certainly find a way out. Arre majhya pariksha chaalu aslyamule mi zaast vel online yeu shakat naahi. Tarihi mi prayatna karto aahe. Ekda pariksha samplya ki bagh mi he POV saaf karun taken.

I have also configured my e-mail ID. Maybe it'll start in a few hours. Just mail me. OK Bye. Mail me for sure.

 Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  04:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

E-mail
Mahawiki, I have already sent you a mail on your email address. Please check it.  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  05:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Saare Jahan Se Achcha
I dont wish to go 3rr, even though it is combatting vandalism. Please see to it to take whatever action you see fit.Bakaman Bakatalk 03:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Above warning given by sarvagnya is unwarranted and out of revenge.Striked for now and will remove after admin's consent. Mahawiki 06:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

advice needed
[copied] Although I have confirmed it from many users I just want to make sure that- If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it. means u should only translate the part of the non-english source which u intend to use in the article (and not the whole source).Plz confirm this on my talk page as I am not sure I will be able to locate this page again! Mahawiki 13:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC) [end copied]
 * "Quoting" is the operative word. If you are quoting in English from a non-English source, then inherently the English is there. The issue is to reproduce the corresponding portion of the original, in the original language. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That means I have to provide translations of corresponding portions of non-english citations ONLY and not whole article?I mean I am citing a news-story in Marathi and suppose I intend to use only a para of it into wiki article,then I have to provide translation of that Part i intend to use or the complete news-story? Mahawiki 06:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC) P.s:Sorry for my bad English!
 * In general, yes. It is still incumbent upon you to be intellectually honest and not to wrest things from context and make them say something other than they say, and it is still incumbent upon you to provide a solid citation to where you got it from, but the idea here is (especially for print sources) to spare someone the effort of physically tracking down your source if they just want to make sure you are translating accurately. - Jmabel | Talk 15:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Dont Worry
Hey mahawiki, dont worry, I am not going to violate 3RR rule. You too take care of not falling in his trap. Bye for now.  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  07:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked
For excessive fighting with Sarvagnya. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|Although I am immune to the blocks now and dont take it personally I would like to know why I was blocked?User:Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra gave a warning to User:Sarvagnya for misuse of popups and not including 'edit summaries' for his edits at Seuna.he deleted them calling us 'frivolous' and trolls'.Note that this sarvagnya is reverting pages without any vaild reasons including Carnatic_music Sare_Jahan_Se_Achchatoo.He is also removing non-obscene messages and deleting official warnings.(note that he had himself warned me against it).He is being incivil and rude and unnecessaruly provoking others by insulting  Hindi on Vande_mataram Jana_gana_mana and Sare_Jahan_Se_Achcha and marathi at belgaum_border_dispute.I was returned with a bogus warning by sarvagnya as a revenge when I issued him a warning as he continued his misbehaviour and incivility even after Arya warned him.

Examples : Source:
 * First of all, Hindi is not as common a language in India as you think or have been led to believe. And more importantly, this is not India. This is the Wikipedia and not any Hindi Prachar Sabha. It runs according to its own policies not according to the whims and fancies of the Hindi speaking Indian...
 * Whether hindi is the opeesial language of India or Timbuktu or Somalia is irrelevant and totally besides the point.

As for my fights with sarvagnya is concerned I was opposing his bkanking and removal of official warnings.I am as civil i could be.His rants against me and wooing admins to block me continues.If u see talk page of sare jahan se achcha he is the one who's incivil and arrogant.I request u to unblock me and I am very sorry for all the trouble!I am really not intrested in dealing with sarvagnya but his incivility and insults against Marathi or on the topics of my concern provokes me. Mahawiki 12:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Warning
You aren't remaining civil in this content dispute you are having. Accusing another editor of vandalism simply because their viewpoint differs from your own is against the spirit of the Wikipedia and is not constructive. Please find other ways to debate this, or you may be blocked from editing. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Enough
Stop. Stop the bickering between you. Stop arguing on each other's talk pages. Stop arguing on other talk pages. Stop arguing in public. Just stop. The point-scoring and general nonsense that would shame two 11-year-old schoolboys is just tiresome. You can seek mediation or just avoid each other. But you're going to have to stop the bickering as someone, somewhere, is going to assume that the pair of you are trolling Wikipedia and thus will make you stop bickering in the most permanent way: without discrimination, someone will block both of you. So give it up. Now. Stop. We're done. Thanks. ➨  ЯEDVERS  20:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Mahitgar 03:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation for WikiProject Maharashtra
Hi ,

A new project has been created, to exclusively deal with Maharashtra and Marathi-related articles. You are invited to join the WikiProject Maharashtra. The project aims to develop Marathi and Maharashtra-related articles to Featured Article-status. You can join the WikiProject by adding your username here. However, don't forget to visit the project page. This is of course, a sister project of Portal:Maharashtra. Come, join us in developing Wikipedia. Thanks,

-- N R S | T/M\B 10:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Mahawiki, first of all, A very very Happy Diwali to you ! Well, you can do a lot of things in WP:MAHA. First of all, Portal:Maharashtra and WP:MAHA are different. The former is a portal while the latter is a Project or you can say a WikiProject. You have already joined the project. Next thing you can do is put the Project userbox on your userpage, so that you will be automatically included in the Categorypage of members. This was about joining the project.


 * After joining the project, you can do many things. For instance, if you feel that an article needs to be created, you can list it in the Creations section of the project page or in the To Do list subpage. Same way for expansions, deletions, mergers, revamps, cleanups. The collective prowess of the members can work wonders for Maharashtra related articles. I urge you to take a look at WP:HMM, another WikiProject on Metal music, which was initiated by me. Just see how the collective might of the members make the articles much more brilliant. Again, if you feel vandalism or POV pushing or edit war going on in some of Maharashtra or Marathi related articles, you can list it in the project discussion and strategy forums so that other members can have a look about it. And of course, the best thing you can do is work on the project by expanding the articles listed for expansion, revamping articles listed for cleanup and creating articles listed for creation. Of course, you can add other articles to those lists as well. The Project is about working collectively as well as individually. So com'on and start rockin'


 * -- N R S | T/M\B 13:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The lighted path
I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! And, ID Mubarak too. All the best! --Bhadani 17:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Dhanyawaad
Thanks for the welcome. The pleasure is all mine in working in Marathi wikipedia as I get to learn a lot. By the way, I would like to extend wishes for a very happy Dipaawalee to you. --Eukesh 14:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Diwali greeting!
Happy Diwali from BostonMA talk 13:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Happy Diwali from me. GizzaChat  &#169; 23:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sabudanyachi Khir
You can make changes to the template your self is welcome.That way I have invited Shri Abhay Natu to spare some time for making these changes.Only take care to sign in and make a mention when you make a change. By the way I did put "Sabudanyachi Khir" to give a sense of urgency to the readers,because even such article are written in Roman Script is quite funny. Mahitgar 06:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Kasaa Aahes
Hey Mahawiki, kasaa aahes ? Majhi pariksha sampli punh mi thoda pravaas karit hoto, tyamule online yeu shaklo naahi. Mi ti pdf file paahili. Faarach chhaan ritya ubharle aahet prashna aani information tar kharokhar changlya pramaane mandali aahe. Mi paahile ki tu te citations thode add kele aahet. Mi punh tyaachyavar abhyas karin aani madat karin. Aani belated aso punh tulaa Diwalichya hardik shubhechha !!! And yeah, I'll join the marathi wiki as well. I will mail you shortly. Bye. Take care. -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  18:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Achitnis
Cool down man! Your reactions to User:Achitnis are a little emotional. You can always discuss the matters. If discussions on talk page don't lead to any solution, drop a note at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. Don't indulge in revert wars. Achitnis wasn't questioning the validity of your citations -- he just wanted you to use the proper way of citing references, instead of putting something into the references section. He's a Maharashtrian just like you... utcursch | talk 12:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I personally think that h3 is not necessary, since the article is just about the Belgaum city and we've a different article on the border dispute. How about mention in a "See also" section? Anyway, if you feel that h2 is proper, we can have a discussion vote on the talk page. utcursch | talk 12:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Your question at WP:NUH
Hi Mahawiki, the easiest way to create a new template is to copy the older one in your sandbox and play around with it. If you have basic knowledge of html, it would be even easier to do. For help on creating templates, see Help:Template -- Lost (talk) 03:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mahawiki
Hey mahawiki, aahes kuthe ? Mi tula e-mail pathavinaar aahe. Tujhe email vachale. BTW, how's life ? Mi Wikipediavar udyapaasun regularly yet jaaeen. Zaraa busy aslyamule mi zaast online nasato. Punh udyapaasun nakki yein. Bye. Take care -  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  06:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comments at Talk:Belgaum
Your comments on User:Achitnis are personal attack. Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. utcursch | talk 13:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

blanking
Who told you that we arent supposed to revert something unless it is obscene? Not just obscenity but blatant vandalism and trolling also can be reverted. Even civil conversations if they have nothing to do with the article and are totally irrelevant to the article can be removed. So stop making up your own rules so you can have fun 'warning' people. Sarvagnya 05:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Trashing messages
Hello Mahawiki. I noticed that you are removing certain messages and warnings posted by other users to a page titled "Trash". Please reconsider doing this in the future, as it is considered bad wiki-etiquette and might be seen as a personal attack by some. These warnings are not put on your talk page to annoy you; they are put here because other editors think that your behavior needs improvement, and we're giving you the courtesy of letting you know. Please respond by changing your behavior, and please stop removing these messages.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 08:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * By calling the messages trash, you are being pretty uncivil. Besides this issue, many of your edits as well as your debates are (almost self-admittedly) extremely influenced by your own personal point of view. It doesn't matter which side you think is right, the Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. That you claim that anyone who posts anything opposing your view point is a POV-pushing Kannada editor (ie. ) is not really helping with the whole neutrality thing. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 08:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In addition, there is no reason to bother other users about removing warnings, as there's no policy to this effect. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 08:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Stifle (talk) 15:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hiya
Hey mahawiki, I have sent you a mail. Please check your mail. BTW, the link you provided is amazing. Kon Kontya patalivar aahe he aaplyala aata kalun chukle aahe. Mothmothe notable engineer aani char poranche baap lahaan mulansarkhe vaad ghalataat. Aata khare kaay te ughadkis yenaar aahe. Yes, Mahawiki, Satyameva Jayate !!!!  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  10:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, mi tula kaalach pathavila hota tar khara, anyway, mi punha pathavila aahe tula toch mail. Punh kharokhar aaj "Laughter Challenge" nasla tari aaj matra tya linkne maalaa hasun hasun vaat lavli.
 * -D  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  10:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fighting for nothing!
You're welcome. And relax man! Wikipedia is a GREAT project in freedom, and conflicts are bound to happen because everyone has been given equal rights (except for the admins, who can ban us :-)). The important thing in an impersonal medium like this is to not get provoked and remain calm. As Gandhiji said "an eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind".

I think it looks like I've just given another lecture so I'd better stop :-). Happy editing! MaximvsDecimvs 10:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Warning
You're on thin ice. "Kannadi vandalism", etc.....and also the comments about the Kannada holiday....and accusing others of sockpuppetry without evidence. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Maharashtrala Tujha Abhimaan Aahe
Mahawiki, tu kharokharach khara bhumiputra aahes. Jya pramaane tu hyaa issuechi paath puravlis, tula maanlech paahije. Yevdhya unfairness and attacks madhye sudha tu qilla dushmanaana surrender kelaa naahis. Malaa tujhya baddal garv vatato aahe. Aapan ya Wikipediatle sarv POV fusun takle paahijet. Jai Mahrashtra.  Arya   Raj ya  महाराष्ट्र  05:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Retitled and reworded "Belgaum and Marathi" section
Hello Mahawiki, I have retitled and reworded this section because it looked like the reference article itself was reproduced as a section. In the article, it would be better to let the reader follow the link to the reference while giving a gist of what the reference says. I have mentioned the same on the talk page. Please take a look. Regards, Max 17:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning
This is your only warning. Please stop spamming talk pages in wikipedia. , and others. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation
I hereby request a translation of everything that is in any other language than English and has been posted on this unarchived part of your user talk page, referring to the following citation from the section on good practice from the talk page guidelines:"Use English: No matter to whom you are addressing your comments, it is preferred that you use English on English Wikipedia talk pages. This is because comments should be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments if possible or on request. If you cannot, it is your responsibility to either find a fluent third party to do so or to contact a translator through the Wikipedia:Embassy." -- chsf 4:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Sarvagnya
Gnanpiti ==

Hi Mahawiki, I don't know if that was the final verdict. Until it becomes very clear, I don't want to comment on that as I don't want to vitiate other discussions that I'm involved with him in. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Revert
While I wouldn't want users leaving Wikipedia, I can't let an edit that was made to illustrate a point happen. I wish that you wait for the admins' action on the alleged sockpuppetry case. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I was away
Hi, I was away on vacation and accessing net sporadically. Today I came to your page to put reply of your comments and found out that many things has happened during this period. I am very sorry to see you leave. I would say, please don't. Please be patient and put your energies somewhere else. I fully understand your frustrations. It is sad to see that there are people who are confirmed sock puppets and still roaming around in open. In fact I would agree to you that because of organized efforts of these people, wikipedia might not become what it can because it will lack contribution from many who can not fight vandalism and organized cyber crime of these guys. I was not involved in belgaum and all those maharashtra related issues, but I know all those group of people and there POV pushing. I feel very sorry for all this. I would still say that please stay back. Take a break, do not edit these pages, edit something which is less controversial and brings you more creativity and be happy. Things will be good in the end. Remember Satyamev Jayate. I wish you good luck. Thanks. -- Apandey 19:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians plz. be alert A request for community action against users ganging up
Hi there!

I thought it wise, to inform you about some unfortunate developments at Telugu script over the past few days. It all started when I requested User:Winhunter for unprotection of the article Telugu script so as to remove parts, objectionable to either sides of the "Edit War."

In the light of all this several disturbing incidents, some of whose links I'm presenting for convenience sake, also took place.

The links are:

1) The page for reports, for investigating possible sock-puppetry against User:Sarvagnya and others

2) Possible Sock puppetry incident as reported by me

3) 3RR violation report against me. I was blocked for 24hrs thanks to User:Blnguyen.

Incidentally, several hours before this 3RR report against me, I had requested at least 2 admins, including User:Winhunter to fully protect Telugu script, from any further unfortunate developments. Plz. see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Winhunter#Sorry.21_Telugu_script_in_dire_need_of_protection. my request for full protection]. Telugu script is now fully protected thanks to the efforts of User:Evilclown93.

'''Important Plz. read At this juncture,  I'd like to bring to your notice a notorious "Editor gang"''' which has been plaguing painstakingly-done projects on Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and many other related articles. I request those at the helm of affairs and including sys-ops/bureaucrats other users like yourself to fully investigate, and take necessary action against this gang's members. The names could be provided by me upon request, for obvious reasons. Thanking You,  Altruism To talk  09:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)