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I thought I'd continue the discussion on the administrative and municipal divisions of Iraq on your page, since I still have questions. Hopefully, after this discussion, we can add information to the wikipedia article on Iraq about local government perhaps under the "Administrative Divisions" section. Anyway, let me see if I have what you've described is correct. Okay, first Iraq is divided into governorates, then districts, and then subdistricts at the third level. To compare this to where I live in Michigan in the United States this would be like the United States divided into states, then to counties, and then to townships. Apart from this administrative division are municipalities. Municipalities (most commonly refered to as "cities" in the United States) can incorporate land from any administrative division so that they can overlap administrative divisions. For instance, Lansing, Michigan incorporates land in multiple townships and in multiple counties.

So, I have a few questions about Baghdad (mayorality, which I guess would be "city" in this comparison and the governorate) if my example given was correct. My first question is on the map you provided me recently, is that a map showing all of the districts of Baghdad Governorate or is it showing the "municipalities" (are these administrative divisions equal to subdistricts or something else entirely) of the Baghdad Mayoralty? The second question question is in which districts of Baghdad Governorate does Baghdad Mayoralty exists/reside if there is overlap between the Mayoralty and Governorate districts? Finally, does the third administrative division (subdistricts) exists independent of the Baghdad Mayoralty, or do they also overlap with it? I hope these questions make sense. I really want to finally understand this because it will make pages on Iraqi "cities" easier if we know how they exist independent of the districts and subdistricts in which they reside. --Criticalthinker (talk) 21:23, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

your example is correct. The map is showing Baghdad governorate divided into districts. you can check Districts of Iraq and this template: Districts of Iraq. The following districts are not a part of Baghdad City:
 * Abu Ghraib District
 * al-Istiqlal District (not shown the map)
 * al-Mada'in District
 * Mahmudiya District
 * Taji District (not shown in the map)
 * al-Tarmia District

The 2 districts not shown in the map introduced in the last years. They were subdistricts. While Baghdad city is divided into the following districts: (I added municipalities according to Mayoralty of Baghdad website)
 * Karkh district, which overlap with municipalities of Karkh, Mansour, Al Rashid and Dora
 * Kadhimiya district, which overlap with municipalities of Kadhimiya and Shula
 * Adhamiyah district, which overlap with municipalities of Adhamiyah and Shaab
 * Rusafa district, which overlap with municipality of New Baghdad, Ghadeer and Karadah
 * Sadr 1 district and Sadr 2 district overlap with municipalities of Sadr City 1 and 2

Actually, municipalities have more importance in Baghdad city while in Baghdad countryside and other governorates, districts have more importance. Baghdad has several municipalities while other cities in Iraq, the city contains only 1 municipality. I'm not sure about any other city in Iraq with more than one municipality. There are 23% of population of Iraq in Baghdad governorate. محمود (talk) 22:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

According to Ministry of planning and Mayoralty of Baghdad websites, Baghdad governorate is divided into:
 * Rusafa district
 * Karadah subdistrict
 * New Baghdad subdistrict
 * Palestine subdistrict
 * Adhamiyah district
 * Rashidiya subdistrict (This one outside Baghdad), I think it is a district now
 * Fahama subdistrict
 * Al Zohoor subdistrict
 * al-Istiqlal subdistrict (See: al-Istiqlal District... It is not a district)
 * Sadr 1 district
 * Al Seddiq Al Akbar district
 * Al Furat-Sadr district
 * Sadr 2 district
 * Abnaa Al-Rafidain subdistrict
 * Munawara subdistrict
 * Karkh district
 * Mansour subdistrict
 * Maamoon subdistrict
 * Kadhimiya district
 * That Al-Salasel subdistrict
 * Taji District
 * Sabaa Al Bour subdistrict
 * Hamaiyat subdistrict
 * Mahmudiya District
 * Yusufiyah subdistrict (See: Yusufiyah)
 * Latifiya subdistrict (See: Latifiya)
 * Al Rashid subdistrict (It is not the of Al Rashid municipality which overlap with Karkh district)
 * Abu Ghraib District
 * Al Nasr Wal Salam subdistrict (See: Al Nasr Wal Salam)
 * Aqarquf subdistrict
 * al-Tarmia District
 * Al Meshaheda subdistrict
 * Al Abayachi subdistrict
 * al-Mada'in District
 * Al Jisr subdistrict
 * Al Wehda subdistrict
 * Nahrawan subdistrict

محمود (talk) 23:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. A few additional questions:


 * 1. The Baghdad Governorate looks as if it needs correcting as it only shows 7 districts and it includes Baghdad City/Mayoralty as an additional district, which can't be correct. Is this something you might be interested in correcting?


 * 2. Also, are the city districts wholly incorporated as municipalities so they both are coterminous (share the same borders), or can municipalities incorporate parts of districts and thus overlap these districts? Are the city districts of Baghdad City on the same administrative level as districts in the other parts of Iraq, or are the city districts just another name for the subdistricts of the governorate?  How many subdistricts/municipalities exist inside Baghdad City?  I think something may be wrong with you list, as all of the wikipedia articles dealing with the city districts of Baghdad list 9 city districts: Adhamiyah, Karkh, Karrada, Kadhimiya, Mansour, Sadr City/Thawra, Al Rashid, Rusafa, and New Baghdad/9 Nissan.


 * 3. Finally, on the governorate map, which outline is that on the map of the Baghdad City/Mayorality? Is it the central one?  This would be so much easier if I read Arabic. lol  Also, is there a map showing the overlaps between the districts, subdistricts and municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@ check this link: Baghdad Governorate Profile. You'll notice on the map in the 1st page: Thawra 1&2. Now they are Sadr 1&2. Also, you won't find Taji District as it was a subdistrict. also, in the second page... There is a map of electricity (1 row in the middle)... Baghdad city is composed of red, yellow and orange regions.

Also, Check this link: Baghdad City Map. You'll notice 9 nissan which is New Baghdad or Baghdad Al Jadeeda. Also, you'll notice some municipalities. Each municipality is responsible of several neighbourhoods in Baghdad. محمود (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. If you could answer each of my questions in the order I asked them, that would be great.  I was actually able to find that last map after I posted this to you.  I was also able to find this (older) map showing the districts of the governorate (Baghdad Governorate).  So, it appears that the districts of the governorate and the districts of the city are not on the same administrative level.  In looks like the city would fit entirely within Karkh and Resafa at the governorate district level.  From here on out, what I need to know if the subdistricts of the governorate correspond to the municipalities within Baghdad, and that could be explained answering my questions I'd numbered up top.  It appears wikipedia articles for [[Baghdad] and Baghdad Governorate may need to be rewritten in part for clarification and eventually an article added explaining Iraqi "subdistricts" and "municipalities." --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

continue
, Hi... It was too late and I feel sleepy last night.

to answer your questions:
 * 1) Baghdad Governorate is divided into the districts that mentioned above. Baghdad city already divided into districts because it is a large city and 20% of population of Iraq are residents of Baghdad.
 * 2) Baghdad Mayoralty is a special body responsible for the development and maintaining Baghdad. (We need to create an article:  Baghdad Mayoralty = أمانة بغداد. Baghdad Mayoralty divided Baghdad into municipalities. So, municipalities are not administrative divisions as the districts but they are the branches of the mayoralty.
 * 3) Districts in side Baghdad city: * Rusafa district, Adhamiyah district, Sadr 1 district, Sadr 2 district, Karkh district and Kadhimiya district

I think i answered other questions. We were editing at the same time. In case of any misunderstanding or confusion, Tell me please. محمود (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, so the city districts of Baghdad are not also districts (or on the same level) of Baghdad Governorate. The city districts are a municipal division, while the districts of the governorate are an administrative division, and the municipal divisions can overlap the administrative divisions.  That is to say that the municipalities/city districts of Baghdad Mayoralty can exist in multiple districts of the governorate.  So then, my additional questions are:


 * 1. It appears Baghdad Mayoralty overlaps parts of the qadaa of Rusafa, Adhamiyah, Sadr 1, Sadr 2, Karkh and Kadhimiya.  Does it incorporate the entirety of each of these qadaa into its various municipalities, or just parts of these qadaa?


 * 2. As for the subdistricts (naniyah) of the qadaa at the administrative level, do the municipalities/city districts (kati') of Baghdad Mayoralty/City also overlap the naniyah (and thus also the qadaa)?  Do we know how many naniyah exist wholly or partially within the boundaries of the kati' which form the Baghdad Mayoralty/City?


 * Again, if you could correct the Baghdad Governorate page, that would be great. As it reads now, it only lists 7 qadaa inside the governorate (your list says 11), and then it mistaken lists the Baghdad Mayoralty as a qadaa, which is not.  What needs to be done on that page is add the rest of the qadaa to the list under "Districts of Baghdad Governorate" and also add the naniyah within each qadaa.  Then a new subsection titled "Municipalities" should be created to list the municipalities of Baghdad Mayoralty.
 * I think I'm slowly but surely understanding this. What has lead to confusion is that it wasn't clear if there was a layer of local government in Iraq apart from the administrative divisions of the qadaa and naniyah.  It has become clear that there local government that actually overlaps these administrative divisions.  So, I guess what needs to be made clear on "city" pages for cities in Iraq either in the infobox of each city or in the body of the article is in which qadaa and naniyah they exists.  If you could give me the Arabic term for these local governments (what you're calling "Mayoralties"), I'd be happy to add a "Local government" section to Iraq's main article.  Thank you for all of your help, thus far!  Iraq is a very interesting country that I wish well. --Criticalthinker (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'll try to complete Arabic Articles before starting the English. I edited and created Arabic articles of Iraqi districts and subdistricts in 2012 and 2014. There were 111 districts in Iraq. Now, they are more than 120. Some subdistricts are promoted to districts. Also, Halabja governorate was introduced. I need official documents and references to change the details. As you know, Iraq is facing crisis and problem and these things are not available are not easy to be accessed.
 * I have some projects to be finished in Arabic Wikipedia then I'll try to start editing Iraq divisions articles in Arabic and English in parallel.
 * the Arabic terms:


 * Mayoralty = Amanah (أمانة)
 * Mayoralty of Baghdad = Amanat Baghdad (أمانة بغداد)
 * District = Qadaa (قضاء)
 * Mayoralty = Nahiyah (ناحية)
 * Municipality = Baladiyah (بلدية)
 * I be very happy if we contiue discussing how to improve and correct these articles. محمود (talk) 10:37, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If you could answer the two questions I asked above, that would be great. Thanks.  As for the terms you just posted, why do you have "mayoralty" listed twice and attached to two different Arabic terms?  A "nahiyah" from my understanding is an administrative division, while an "amanah" is a municipal divisions, so they both can't be "mayoralties."  Mayoralty, BTW, is a term I think we'll probably not likely have much use for outside of official names.  Mostly, we'll be using baladiyah to refer to the incorporated cities/towns/villages in inside the districts (and subdistricts) of Iraq.  Baghdad seems to be a special case in which the mayoralty includes multiple baladiyah.
 * And, that brings me to a bit of advice I'll give. On the governorate pages in particular, I will always be careful to seperate administrative divisions from municipal divisions to avoid confusion and to make clear that there are two different layers which overlap one another.  They should be in two different sections on these pages.  I'm personally going to start renaming them "Administrative divisions" which will show the districts and subdistricts in a governorate, and then a section named "Municipal divisions" or maybe even "Cities, towns & villages" to show the municipal divisions within the governorate.  --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Dear friend, your questions:
 * 1. It appears Baghdad Mayoralty overlaps parts of the qadaa of Rusafa, Adhamiyah, Sadr 1, Sadr 2, Karkh and Kadhimiya.  Does it incorporate the entirety of each of these qadaa into its various municipalities, or just parts of these qadaa?
 * it is incorporated entirely in all parts of these districts (Qadaa) except some parts of Adhamiyah district. It is Rashidiya subdistrict. Some one made an edit in Arabic Wikipedia the this subdistrict is promoted to district but I couldn't find any official reference.
 * 2. As for the subdistricts (naniyah) of the qadaa at the administrative level, do the municipalities/city districts (kati') of Baghdad Mayoralty/City also overlap the naniyah (and thus also the qadaa)?  Do we know how many naniyah exist wholly or partially within the boundaries of the kati' which form the Baghdad Mayoralty/City?
 * Some Nahiyah contains 2 municipalities (Mansour subdistrict overlaps Mansour and Maamoon municipalities) while in case of Sadr city which is divided into 2 districts and each district has 2 subdistricts (total 4 subdistricts) but it overlaps only 2 municipalities. I think that Sadr city is the only case that no. Of subdistricts (Nahiyah) is more that no. of municipalities. In the other cases, Nahiyah overlaps one or more municipalities. They share the same boundaries.

محمود (talk) 14:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Wait, so can municipalities in Iraq exists/cross the boundaries of more than one qadaa, or are municipalities always wholly contained within the boundaries of a single district? Also, can municipalities only incorporate entire nahiyah, or can they incorporate parts of nahiyah?  I think I may be confusing you with the "term" overlap, which I think you're me meaning completely or wholly overlapping nunicipalities, whereas it can mean completely or wholly overlapping or partially overlapping.


 * See, I've been assuming in this discussion that municipalities were a layer independent of qadaa and nahiyah boundaries and thus they could either incorporate the entirety of a qadaa or nahiyah (and cross district lines) or simply parts of those dvisions. When you say they "share the same boundaries" that says to me that a municipality must be contained within the boundaries of a single qadaa, and that if a settlement or urban area crosses a district's boundaries, then that part in the adjacent district becomes a different municipality.


 * To again give you an example of my city, Lansing, Michigan, the municipality (equivalent to baladiyah) of Lansing incorporates land in only parts of the surrounding counties (equivalent to qadaa/kaza) Ingham, Eaton and Clinton, and incorporates land of only parts of the townships (equivalent to nahiyah) in those counties (qadaa/kaza). The municipality of Lansing, then, does not extend into the entirety of any of the districts or subdistricts in which it is located; it does not share the same borders of the districts or subdistricts in which is located. I guess my question then is if this differs from the setup in Iraq?  Because it sounds to me that if Lansing were in Iraq, the municipality would probably have to be located entirely within Ingham County (District) and then at the lower level any townships (subdistricts) within Ingham County into which the urban area spreads. --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking through more pages on Iraqi districts and cities, I may be getting closer to my answer. It appears that the city of Latifiya (which would make it a baladiyah?), for instance, seems to cross two different governorate boundaries (Babil and Baghdad), which then means that it cross/overlaps at least two different districts.  One of those districts is Mahmudiya District in Baghdad Governorate, and the other is whichever district in Babil Governorate includes the Iskandariya postcode.
 * I guess, then, this must answer my question. While the municipalities, collectively, of the Baghdad Mayoralty share the same borders districts that include the entirety of Baghdad Mayoralty, this doesn't necessarily happen all over Iraq.  I guess this then means that a municipality/baladiyah are not required to share the boundaries of a district, and thus can exist in multiple districts.  Are there any maps out there showing municipal borders and district borders in the same map of ANY Iraqi city? --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * hi, Latifiya is a village in Mahmudiya District. It is not a part of Babil Governorate. During the period of late 1980s till 1991, administration of Baghdad countryside was transferred to the neighbour governorates. Mahmudiya District was transferred to Babil, Abu Ghraib to Anbar, Tarmiya District to Salah Al Deen and Madain to Diyala. So, at that period Baghdad Governorate = Baghdad city. Later, Baghdad Governorate restored its countryside.
 * Iskandariya is a town in Babil. It think I need to do a lot of edits to correct the mistakes and misunderstanding محمود (talk) 20:47, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that throws my entire theory back into chaos, then. So municipalities can't cross district and subdistrict (and thus governorate) boundaries?  Another question, how many different types or kinds of municipalities/municipal divisions does Iraq identify?  I've seen cities, towns, townships, and villages.  I'd like to add that information to future "municipal divisions" sections on governorate and districts pages. --Criticalthinker (talk) 21:11, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you miss my last set of questions from 4 December? --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

coming back
I'm so sorry.. i forgot to reply. Actually, I'm planning to start editing these articles to correct the mistakes and to expand them. There is only one type of municipalities. It comes in parallel with districts and subdistricts (cities and towns). Villages are administered by subdistricts or directly to a district. محمود (talk) 19:00, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What does it mean "it comes in parallel with," exactly? What I was asking is if municipalities can cross district and subdistrict boundaries, and whether or not they are subordinate to the districts (and subdistricts) in which they reside. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Municipalities can't cross district and subdistrict boundaries (except in case of Baghdad) محمود (talk) 17:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Like I said, I'm just trying to understand the concept of municipalities (cities and towns) as it relates to Iraq.  In my country, for instance, municipalities can and do cross county (district) and township (subdistrict) lines.  My own municipality, for instance, exists within three different counties, though it's mainly in just one.  Do you happen to have any maps of ANY municipality showing municipal and district (and maybe even subdistrict) boundaries?  I guess it's not really important now that you've answered my questions, but it would be interesting to see as I've been able to find no such maps on the internet showing municipal/local government boundaries which also show district (and subdistrict) boundaries. --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * check this one (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/013_A4_Iraq_Districts.jpg) but it old on. Now, there are more than 120 districts. I'll try to find map of subdistricts. I had one in my old laptop. محمود (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood. I'm not looking for maps just showing the districts of the country.  I believe that's already present on the Districts of Iraq page or somewhere else in WikiCommons.  I was just wanting an example of a map showing municipalities AND district lines.  Again, not a big deal, but if you can find such a map, that would be great.  Anyway, finally, can you definitively make a list showing which Baghdad municipalities are in which Iraqi administrative districts, and then a list of all of the current administrative districts witin Baghdad Governorate?  I know were discussed this further above, but you listed 13 different municipalities (Karkh, Mansour, Al Rashid, Dora, Kadhimiya, Shula, Adhamiyah, Shaab, New Baghdad, Ghadeer, Karadah, Sadr City 1 and Sadr City 2)  when every other source says there are only nine. --Criticalthinker (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Did we ever figure out exactly how many qadaa exists within the Baghdad governorate (and then how many nahiyah there are and which qadaa each is in), and then how many baladiyah there are under the supervision of the mayoralty? I'd still like to be able to add this to Baghdad and Baghdad Governorate's page, and more specifically, I'd like to be able to to define with baladiyah exists in which qadaa and nahiyah. --Criticalthinker (talk) 14:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checking back to see if you ever found maps showing qadaa and municipal boundary maps. Like I said, to write an article on the local government of Iraq, I'd like to see how municipal boundaries interact with district and subdistrict boundaries, particularly in the areas outside of Baghdad since that city is a special case. I'd also like to know what level of administration a municipality is on, such as whether it's subordinate to subdistricts, districts, or provinces (or all of them). --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Maps of Iraqi Gov.s
Hi, I found these maps in the website of Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works:
 * Basra
 * Muthanna
 * Thi Qar
 * Maysan
 * Wasit
 * Qadisia
 * Najaf
 * Karbala
 * Babil
 * Diyala
 * Salah Al-Din
 * kerkuk
 * Ninawa

Notes:
 * Kurdistan region is out of responsibility of the ministry.
 * No map in the website for Anbar
 * for Baghdad Gov, you can check the following map (from here). Regions in white are divisions of Mayoralty of Baghdad while the colored regions are units of Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works.

I'll try to translate maps if that is helpful for you. محمود (talk) 10:17, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi again.... Check this page: محمود (talk) 11:25, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ADMINISTRATIVE UNITS AND THEIR AREA AS IN 2009
 * Thank you.


 * 1. In that last link, where it lists municipalities and sub-districts by governorate, it leads me to a few questions I'd asked earlier. It seems to list district center (municipalities) seperate from sub-districts.  This seems to imply that when and where a municipality exists, it is "seperated" from sub-districts.  Is this the case? Also, with the maps shown above, is it that municipalities are actually divided into subdistricts (where municipalities exist), that subdistricts are actually administrative subdivisions of municipalities?  I guess the easier way to ask is that is it that in Iraq, all districts are subdivided into districts, and then some of those subdistricts are "joined/grouped" to compose a municipality?  Or, as I asked before, are municipalities and subdistricts two different layers of administration?


 * 2. What else has me confused about the list is that it appears that there is only one municipality per district. That can't be right, can it?  There has to be districts in which there are multiple municipalities, correct?


 * Again, sorry for all of the questions, but I want to be very sure before I start improving these pages. --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you ever get to these questions I need clarified? I'm still unsure of how municipalities relate to the administrative layers of sub-districts and districts, and the maps actually made me more confused as they don't seeem to show municipal boundaries rather sub-district boudndaries. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at those maps and comparising them to the governorate maps, it seems what those maps show are subdistricts. This leads me to believe that there is no "municipal" city government for cities in Iraq save for the special case of Baghdad.  All other "cities" (urban settlements) are governed at the district and sub-district level.  There doesn't seem to be "municipal" government in Iraq.  It'd be really nice to have this finally confirmed. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * In this link you provided, what does "district centre" mean? Is it simply the sub-district that is the administrative center of a district? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Glad to see you are active here, again. Check out the questions I left you dated back to 2016, please. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

2002–03 Iraqi Premier League
Hello my friend. You are indeed correct that the Baghdad Championship was held by the FA for the 8 teams that led the league at the time of cancellation (27 rounds). However, Al-Shurta did not win this championship, in fact Al-Zawraa were the champions of the 2003 Baghdad Championship by defeating Talaba in the final on penalty shootout.

I believe that the FA decided in a meeting that they would end the league due to the war and in order to crown a champion, they abandoned the second stage of the league, meaning that Al-Shurta was crowned champion for the 2002-03 season because they were on top of the league at the half-way point of the season. As champions, they earned qualification for the 2003 Arab Champions League (Prince Faisal bin Fahd Tournament).

My sources for this statement are: http://web.archive.org/web/20030828233948/http://www.footballasia.com/mrel/news_54804_E.html This is an article written in 2003 from the official AFC website, about the 2003 Iraq FA Cup final. If you look at the final paragraph of the article, it says "The 2002/3 season was cut short due to hostilities, with Al Shorta declared winners after two-third of the fixtures had been completed." It also refers to Al-Shurta as the "Iraqi League champions" in the 4th paragraph of the article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3035349.stm This is an article from the BBC written in 2003 about the first football match since the end of the war between Al-Shurta and Al-Zawraa. In this article is the statement: "The crowd watched in bright sunshine, as the Iraqi champions al-Shurta edged their rivals by one goal." Of course, the AFC and the BBC are both very reliable sources, and both of these articles were written at the time (2003).

http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SoccerAmerica/2003/sa1553z.pdf This is another article written at the time (2003) about the match between Al-Shurta and Al-Zawraa, and in the second paragraph they refer to Al-Shurta as the 'defending champions'.

These are the sources that I have which show that the second stage was abandoned and Al-Shurta were champions based on the first stage: http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/17/sprj.irq.main/ This article from CNN (very reliable) written in 2003 is about Iraq after the war, and if you scroll near the bottom it says "Soccer fans in Baghdad watch a match between national champions Al Shurta and fourth-placed Al-Zawra in the first football match since the downfall of Saddam Hussein". Not only does it say that Al-Shurta were champions, but it also says Al-Zawraa finished fourth. If you look at the table at the time of cancellation, Al-Zawraa was in the top two of the league with 63 points; they were not in 4th place. However, at the half-way stage, Al-Zawraa was indeed in 4th place and Al-Shurta was indeed in 1st position, so this shows that the FA cancelled the second stage and only used results from the first stage. Also, the only way that Al-Shurta could be crowned champions would be if the second stage was cancelled, because at 27 rounds Al-Talaba was still able to overtake Al-Shurta because they had games in hand so the FA had to cancel the second stage because not all teams had played the same number of matches.

http://sporttoday.org/8_36ad46628d1b1c9d_1.htm This is an article from sporttoday, and if you scroll towards the bottom of the article you will see it says: "Police won the last league championship, last year. Al-Zawra, which placed fourth in that championship", which agrees exactly with what the CNN source said and with my above explanation. Also, the article is not referring to the Baghdad Championship because Al-Zawraa never finished in 4th place in that tournament, and they are not referring to the Iraq FA Cup because Al-Shurta never won that tournament, so the only competition they can be referring to is the Iraqi Premier League.

http://alshorta.webs.com/history.htm This source is from the Al Shorta website's history section where they state: "But the greatest joy of this period came when Al Shorta were crowned champions of the 2002-03 Iraqi League; the second stage of the league had to be abandoned midway through due to the war situation at the time but Al Shorta were awarded the title as they were on top of the league after the end of the first stage (i.e. first 19 games)." This fits in exactly with what is said in the previous sources.

I am sorry for this very long reply but I wanted to provide you with as many sources as I could find in order to answer your question my friend.

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 * , Hi, He was playing in the recent season: "2020–21 Iraqi Premier League" which is compatible with notability of Fully professional leagues. Also, he was listed in the 2016 AFC U-23 Championship squads. I think these points are enough for notability. محمود (talk) 13:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Yes the Iraqi Premier League 20-21 establishes notability (the under 23 international doesn't) - I just asked for a citation for Premier League as it's not listed on his soccerway profile (soccerway can sometimes be a while catching up) - maybe some national Iraqi newspaper or such mentions it? JW 1961 Talk 14:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you can google his name (مصطفى سعدون) and you'll find a lot of results. kooora.com removed his name from his team but he still in the team's photo that is available in the Al-Naft SC page in kooora.com. محمود (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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1. Did you ever find a map showing the boundaries of the districts/kaza of Baghdad Governorate with the boundaries of the city districts/baladiyat of Baghdad City/Amanat? I'm still quite curious to see the example of where Karkh kaza extends outside the baladiyat of the amanat. For instance, there is territory beyond Mansour and Khadimiyah that is in the kaza but not under the jurisdiction of the amanat.

2. In that same vein, are there any maps floating around that show the boundaries of the subdistricts/nahia? And speaking of the nahia, do they still legally exist, even when a baladiyah covers their entire territory? Like, do they still have any legal existence or administrative function when they are completely covered by a municipality? I know that where I live that a nahiyah is equivalent to a township, and when a municipality covers their entire territory, they become defunct and serve no administrative function. But in other nearby states, they still exist and still carry out basic functions (cemetery upkeep, some roads, poverty assistance, etc.).

3. Finally, I'd like to rewrite and expand the English language article of the Administrative divisions of Iraq. Do you happen to have any internet sources you could provide, English or Arabic, that I could use to help in doing this?

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