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Cape Leeuwin Wattle
Noted a red link on one of your recents - bloody great story there von Mueller spreading something which becomes a weed (!) - I might try to fix it up a bit more for a DYK today - but scuse the intrusion - the Australian project appears to not have inter-ecological region weeds articles or categories - we have eastern states species as damned annoying weeds here and the cape leeuwin wattle vice versa over east - will have to tackle my biota savvy friends on this as the current categoris do not appear to have adequate provision to identify as such. Cape Leeuwin was one of my favourite locations of my youth - when I was able to get there SatuSuro 03:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Great stuff! I usually to try to fix up my own redlinks, but some are a bit too specialist.  I completely agree about the need to establish more detailed categories in the ecological area. Maias (talk) 09:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Canarian Houbara
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WikiProject History of Science newsletter : Issue V - January 2009
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Seasons greetings etc
For 2009 - best wishes - specially in the DYK stakes - (well done!) - am currently mashing Bass Strait - if you havent noticed - and advice or clues or corrns appreciated - cheers SatuSuro 23:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message, SatuSuro, and the best for the new year to you too. I will check out Bass Strait. Maias (talk) 05:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems to make sense (apart from some victorian articles that are next to it and dont mention it all :) and seems to be filling ok so far - the ferry articles quality is atrocious and I have reintroduced a link to the triangle article after reading loneys very unhelpful list book while on a ferry on low swell a few weeks back - the idea of a 20m swell bothers me but probably explains most of the triangle rubbish very easily. SatuSuro 05:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Birds Australia Capricornia
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DYK for Faroese puffin
Thanks for expanding it! I was the one who initially started it. Perhaps you could expand Garnatálg too? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Dr Blofeld. I am sure that Garnatálg is worth expanding, though I am not sure that I have the stomach for it...  Cheers, Maias (talk) 00:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Heard Shag
--Dravecky (talk) 14:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Muir's Corella
--Dravecky (talk) 23:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thick-billed parrot
Your work on this page is appreciated, especially in improving readability, presentation, and wikilinks. Snowman (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, Snowman. Its a pleasure to work on an interesting genus. Maias (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Light-mantled Albatross
Hey thanks for the Copy edit on that section, I do realize that I do not have the best writing skills. I do however have two points I would bring up. First, I feel that the point of seawater a worthy point to make and I will re-add that in, if you want to re-look at it. Second, I have used that same paragraph sometimes with variations on all of the Albatross family. Again thanks for looking and fixing what I try to get across as encyclopedia quality material. speednat (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Speednat. No problems with you readding stuff I may have removed.  The seawater thing is largely covered by the term 'osmatic balance', but I guess that that is a bit technical and your phrasing was more user-friendly.  You are doing a great job expanding the article. Maias (talk) 03:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Since I have used similar or identical paragraphs on the Albatrosses, can I use your version instead? speednat (talk) 05:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to use whatever you like. Maias (talk) 05:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jakob Bogdani
--Dravecky (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ratite
I assume you meant to change the rating on ratites down to a "C" but can you explain why on the assessment page speednat (talk) 05:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have responded on the assessment project page as requested. Maias (talk) 05:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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Lord Howe Island
I've been doing a bit of work referencing Lord Howe Island, and came upon the totally unreferenced Flora and Fauna section. Since most of that section deals with the SS Makambo, which you've done a lot of work on, would you mind taking a glance over there and cleaning up/referencing that section? Thanks -M.Nelson (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at the edit history, you've already done some work over there. Sorry to disturb! -M.Nelson (talk) 23:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries; I'll have a look anyway. Good to see someone giving the article some attention. Maias (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

chooks from indonesia
You have provided an interesting lead - btw over the easter weekend when in melbourne got some items that might take me back eventually into the bass straight arts :) - as for domesticated birds of indonesia - my father used to breed what i was always sure looked like the original javanese chooks i used to see when i was living there - thanks for the lead - cheers and good to see your impressive work continue! SatuSuro 01:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. The article obviously badly needs refencing properly.  However, I do not have access to Beebe's monograph to check what he said. Maias (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * there is an outside chance i might get access to beebes - but dont hold your breath SatuSuro 01:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK after some trawling - my father used to breed what he called 'old english gamefowl' - well they are dead ringers for Gallus gallus bankiva Java - Bankiva Fowl (as found at Red Junglefowl ) - I feel better now - solved part of the equation - scuse the thinking aloud SatuSuro 01:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Coxen
I decided to add a redlink to a recent edit, after deciding it was probably notable. I got a pleasant surprise when it turned up blue. Cheers, cygnis insignis 18:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes - I think that Coxen has been somewhat overlooked, at least with regard to his natural history contributions. Thanks for putting in the image. Maias (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Cheers, Rebecca Jasper33 (talk) 08:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Alpine Chough
many hanks for the valuable additions and fixes jimfbleak (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * no worries - you're welcome. Maias (talk) 10:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks for the flea jimfbleak (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * and I've found a cestode too... :). Maias (talk) 06:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes this] a reliable source? It's bound to be queried if this article goes to FA since it gives no primary sources, and it's not clear to me who is producing it, so it doesn't have the built-in credibility of a BTO or RSPB page. It read as a mix of OR and stuff lifted from Wikipedia. I think we should take out this link and the attacks on barley crops unless you know of a proper source for that information (Madge has this behaviour for Red-billed, but doesn't state it for Alpine. jimfbleak (talk) 06:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK with your judgement. Maias (talk) 12:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Isabelline
Hi, just an FYI that I tweaked the Isabelline article a little to reflect the way the term is used within the horse world and how it works genetically in horses. It's basically an obscure word for us, seen more in Europe and in non-English languages than in English, but basically describes a light palomino or cremello. But it is not in any way a form of albino or leucism in horses. In fact, cremello breeders pretty much go through the roof and throw fits at the very thought, as some forms of "albino" are lethal in horses, but cream dilution is not. See White (horse) if interested. Thanks. Montanabw (talk) 04:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Montanabw - thanks for the info. I had considered doing a separate article for 'Isabellinism', but don't have sufficient info or sources so just added a small section to 'Isabelline' which is obviously an article on colour rather than genetics.  Anyway, 'isabellinism' is virtually synonymous with leucism.

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Partial name bird dabs and redirects
Hi Maias,

Thank you very much for letting me know about the discussion taking place about the disambiguation pages I have been creating. I hadn't realized that it was going on, and considering the hundreds of such pages I have written over the past three years, I would like to contribute to the conversation.

Thanks again,

Neelix (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Atlas of Australian Birds GA reassessment
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Lord Howe Island 2
I haven't been on the Lord Howe Island page for a while, but looking back on it, I think it could pass a Good Article nomination. Being a major contributor to the article, do you have any thoughts before I nominate? -M.Nelson (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to go ahead with the nomination if you think it is OK. If you do, I will check it through to see if I can polish it up a bit. Maias (talk) 05:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Geelong Field Naturalists Club
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AfD nomination of Birds Australia Parrot Association
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Tag
Please don't tag with the Arts project, which is an all but defunct umbrella project. {{Visual arts.. is the one to use. Johnbod (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. Maias (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Pukeko
Good work on the old bird, hope our edit conflicts haven't grated too much :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Tony - sorry - did not realise you were editing at the same time. I am used to editing in a different time zome to US and European editors and forget the other antipodeans. Cheers. --Maias (talk) 12:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I bounced off a couple of times :-). I made major slashes to Nesting etc, assuming that this all should be in the main species article.  I haven't checked, will look later, may have to restore anything that is NZ specific. I've finished for now :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems fine to me. Maias (talk) 07:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Naming Conventions. RFC: Removal of exceptions to "use common names" passage.
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Edward Banks
Hi Maias. Thanks for your message, and what a great surprise as I didn't know that page existed - in fact, I'd been thinking I ought to do something on him at some point, so I'll try to beef up the page sometime soon. I'll add the BL cat as, yes, as you suspected, he was interned there: I'll try to find some proper citable refs for it rather than my nominal rolls from the IWM which would only count as OR ...! Cheers Rebecca Jasper33 (talk) 09:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Youre lucky
I am struggling with hungarian keyboard with a Alt gr tab to make life awkard - otherwise the invective about a new cat with no project tag might have been colourful - keep up the good work SatuSuro 13:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi SatuSuro - thanks for the info; I was not even aware that cats needed project tags. I live and learn... Maias (talk) 23:33, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

..Its a management thing and some have opinion that they are not necessary and others again claim bots can do the job - no big deal - part of it is to keep tabs of categories and make sure all items are within view of the project but hey its somtimes fun to keep tabs of some projects SatuSuro 06:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

when I get back to perth
Contemplating a long traintrip at the moment - but hey will have heaps on dom s and family as was family friend of the old folks - i also have the estate book sale cataloguefor dom as well - good start to the new art! well done! keep up the good work - SatuSuro 08:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the old WA RAOU people were quite an interesting lot - less cosy and smug than some of the Melbourne mob - and Dom was the pre-eminent Aus orno for quite a while. Maias (talk) 11:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Have some group photos of the oldies at campouts as well, gonna be a long seach through the photofiles i think... I stil have to do the tom spence art sometime too :) SatuSuro 06:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Fine illustrated books
Could you tell me what this category means? I've left an inquiry on the talk page, but I realise you may not be watching that page. Thx. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Eurasian Sparrowhawk
Thanks for taking a look at my Eurasian Sparrowhawk article. I'm pretty pleased with it so far, but it'd be good to get some tips on how to progress further. Thanks! Bogbumper (talk) 08:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Bogbumper; I guess the next step is to get a peer review (see here), and, if that does not get quick results, a mention of the article on the project talk page with a request for assistance. There are a few project members who are very experienced in the process of upgrading articles to GA and FA.  Go for it! Maias (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your advice. I already tried a peer review but didn't get much of a response. Perhaps I'll go for the talk page instead. Thanks. Bogbumper (talk) 21:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of things described as pied
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Udawalawe National Park
very much for the copy edits. The article reads betters now. How ever I corrected Samanalawewa Dam link. Samanalawewa reservoir is located little up in the Walawe river. Refer the map. http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=6.438344,80.888456&spn=0.01,0.01&t=m&q=6.438344,80.888456. But no worries, I guess many Sri Lankans might mess it. Keep up the good work. Regards!-- Chanaka L  ( talk ) 03:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Chanakal - thanks for your message. I guess I jumped to conclusions regarding the dam, so thanks again for correcting me.  I am enjoying reading your contributions on Sri Lankan national parks; they make me want to go there.  Maybe one day... Cheers. Maias (talk) 03:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do visit here, Maias. I enjoyed much reading your bird articles too, Make me wanna see them. I am thinking of creating the article, List of endemic birds of Sri Lanka. Will let you know then. Regards.-- Chanaka L  ( talk ) 03:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of things described as painted
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AfD nomination of Dusky
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DYK nomination of James David Macdonald (ornithologist)
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Malvern College
Hi ! Malvern College, an article you have edited or contributed to, concerns an important school. It still needs some urgent  attention. If you can help, please see Talk:Malvern College  regarding  how it  may  be improved. --Kudpung (talk)

Re the question of verification for Old Malvernians: as far as James Rousseau is concerned, the is online an article that appeared in the UK's Independent newspaper in 1999 reporting on how Rousseau became a top international model while he was still at the school. Rousseau Media (talk) 18:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Ian Mason
Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Ian Mason. Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Larabot - and bless your little algorithmic innards - I only created the page as a redirect to the referenced Ian J. Mason. The redirect page was later turned into a BLP page by an anon user. Your work is appreciated but your attention needs to be directed to User:222.154.142.84. Maias (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Biographies
I think that the most commonly used name of a person is used for the page name. So if Ian Mason is known by this name then his page would be "Ian Mason (ornithologist)" rather than Ian J. Mason, if disambiguation is needed. Similarly, I do not think that the former page "Ian Mason" should have been moved to "Ian Robert Mason", but if disambig is needed then it could be moved to "Ian Mason (cricketer)". I do not think that a dab page is needed for only two pages like this one; Ian Mason. Snowman (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Snowman. I think Ian J. Mason is probably the best title for his page at the moment as that is how his name appears where I have come across it, mainly as the coauthor of various books. Sure you could make it Ian Mason (ornithologist), or (taxonomist) or (writer) or (collection manager), but simply Ian J. Mason reflects how the name is generally met with. I also think a dab page (even for, at present, only two names) is the simplest and most elegant way of dealing with any potential ambiguity. Cheers. Maias (talk) 23:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Malvern College
Hi ! The Old Malvernians/alumnae section  that  you  contributed to in Malvern College finally  got so  long  that  it  had to  be split  off into  a separate list page. In doing  so, it's been found that  for many  of those noble people there is no  actual proof that they  ever went  to the school. However, they probably did, and  the entries were made in  good faith. Nevertheless, the rules require everything in the encyclopedia to  be verifiably  sourced. It would be great therefore, if you could take a look  at  the list  and help out if you  can with  providing  some references. The people all  have their own Wiki  articles, but  it  is no  guarantee that  the mentions of Malvern College (if any) are correctly  cited. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Kudpung - I have added the reference to the notable alumni page of Carl Alexander Gibson-Hill having attended Malvern College, as requested. I note, however, that it was referenced on his page anyway.  Cheers. Maias (talk) 03:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Michael Clarke (ornithologist)
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