User talk:Mailperson/sandbox

Hollis Robbins edits
Hi ! I don’t quite follow—is the text you have in your sandbox the mistake, or is it what you would like to be added to the entry? If this is what you want to add, do note the external links need to be reformatted as inline citations. As far as the other sources, it would be helpful if you wrote up what from them you think should be added. As I mentioned when MissVain brought up the topic, I’m happy to field the corrections but I’m afraid I don’t have time to write these articles from the ground up. I hope I can help you get the lay of the land so you need minimal help and can write up material that’s quick and easy for an independent editor to check over and add to the entry. To that end, a note that Wikipedia considers interviews to be primary sources. They’re permissible but should be used sparingly—the preference is for secondary or tertiary sources independent of the subject. This is because Wikipedia considers itself a tertiary source, aggregating the knowledge of material already fact-checked and otherwise evaluated by paid editors, since we don’t have any ourselves! (Or very few.) Innisfree987 (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Innisfree987 can you edit/delete things in the Sandbox? Is that allowed? Mailperson (talk) 02:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , absolutely, that’s the purpose of it! A chance to revise and work things out. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Innisfree987 could you take a look at my sandbox now -- I've been working on it for some time. This is only half of what it used to be but I agree it is better without the inline edits and with more recent information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mailperson (talk • contribs) 02:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , alright so I’ve transferred the missing references. Am I right to understand the main thing that’s wrong is the claim about studying print culture? Rather, the book cited is about poetry? And is the rest of that paragraph correct? I’ll leave it as is, unless there’s a factual error. And I will transfer the two paragraphs you propose instead but I will have to revise—I’m very sorry, Wikipedia bios are quite different in tone than academic ones, there’s already an assumption that if someone’s work is being covered by the encyclopedia, then it is notable without needing to say so. I hope the trims I make on this point will make sense to you and help clarify what to aim for. Please do ask if anything’s unclear. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * One more request, could you please transfer the last external link (about being set to music) to an inline citation? I thought I could do it myself but I’m perplexed by the links. Also realized the mentions of own poetry are unreferenced so I’ve hidden them for now but can add back with refs. Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 02:47, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I added it my sandbox if that's what you meant. There was a big writeup but I can't find it, but I found a description in one of the composer's page. I am taking notes on what you do so I can be similarly accurate when I edit others (for whom I have no COI) so I appreciate your meticulousness all the more. Thank you! Mailperson (talk) 06:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I’m delighted to hear it! The encyclopedia will really benefit from your contributions. On that note, to be strictly within policy, we should not use a “self-published source” in the biography of a living person, except for what’s published by the subject of the entry—we have stricter rules for writing about living people because of the potential effect on people’s lives. So if you find the write-up, that would be ideal. Meanwhile do you have cites for some of the other poems? Two or three is plenty, or the best would be if they have been discussed in any critical literature (per the preference for secondary sources). Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Innisfree987--I spent some quality time last night and added links to the poems and also, thinking encyclopedically, some basic info. Not everything has to be from online sources, does it? One of the journals I've published in seems to have gone under and there is no trace of them online, though the hard copies exist and are catalogued. Mailperson (talk) 16:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC) Also,

Thank you!! Mailperson (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , you are so welcome! I added the edu info—thanks!—and I’ll put in the poetry cites next. Definitely, print sources are totally fine and access to them is a big value-add that academic WP editors bring. Very welcome! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)