User talk:Mais oui!/Archive 16

Alfred John Monson
Yep, interesting enough but is in serious need of cleaning up first. I'll have a look over it in the next day or so. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  06:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Scotland footy FAC
Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure whether or not the article will get through the process but I think it's at least worthy of an attempt. We'll see... Kanaye 18:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

CfD discusion
I have commented as requested. Seems like your way of doing things is what's going to happen. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Dunvegan Cup
Great find, fascinating read too. Working on this as well now. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  09:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Fire Service in the United Kingdom
Hello, did you read the lengthy discussion about the naming of this article before you took the decision to move it again - without entering that discussion? Please see the article talk pages. This article, started by myself is about the concept of the fire service in the UK, not solely about fire services, or a collection of fire services. It includes legislation, funding and many other areas hencde the consensus reached on name. Escaper2007 11:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Enzedbrit
I saw that you'd put a 3RR warning on Enzedbrit's page which he took off himself. The man's a troll that's been hovering about the internet for a number of years - it seems it's wikipedia's turn now. Anyway, it may be worth watching this guy for further forms of abuse... if he does so, then he can be banned etc. --MacRusgail 15:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing
See Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Monson again
Hi again Mais. I'm pretty much through a substantial reworking of the Monson article. Some bits and pieces to check at the library tomorrow hopefully, and that's probably it. I'd welcome your input though on 2 issues:


 * The DYK nom needs to be concise. There's so much interesting stuff in there that I'm having trouble devising a suitable wording for the entry. It seems to me that the key elements for this DYK are:
 * - Not proven - a uniquely Scottish verdict.
 * - This is a significant unresolved Scottish murder case - another murder mystery.
 * - The Tussaud's libel case - highly significant in establishing defamation precedent in English law and in shaping future legislative thinking in other jurisdictions.
 * - The paltry one farthing damages awarded in the Tussauds case - this reflects back to the original not proven verdict in the murder trial. (Monson was, after all, a Cad and a bounder :-)


 * Hmm, please reduce that to a 200 character (or thereby) wording suggestion. The reworked article will be no different in substance to what's already there, just expanded, reworded and fully referenced. Your suggestions are eagerly awaited :)


 * This should probably be a redirect to Ardlamont mystery. It's not really a biography of Monson, there's not that much info out there about him. It's really an article about the murder and the trial, of which there is a reasonable amount of information. My feeling at present is to leave it be until the article is a bit more stable, then move for a redirect. Thoughts?

Now, the Dunvegan Cup is a different beast altogether - some thoughts to follow. Cheers. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  20:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mais, bit of a problem, my PC blew up this morning. I suspect a fried motherboard, so it'll likely be a few days before I can get things sorted out. Can you go ahead and stick these on DYK if you get a chance. Cheers. -- Cactus.man   &#9997;  13:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion tags on Categories:British MPs
You have added those speedy tags inappropriately. That CfD did not debate all Categories of MPs by Parliament. I am removing the inappropriate tags. Sam Blacketer 19:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And even if the CfD had included those categories, they should not be speedy deleted, but rather deleted as part of the CfD process; and since you were under the impression that they were to be listified, you should have known that they had not actually been listified. In view of your unsuccessful canvassing/votestacking of the CfD concerned, this looks to me like blatant vandalism, so I am imposing a 48-hour block for vandalism.  You have been involved in enough CfDs that I am sure you know the processes involved very well, so if this was not vandalism or disruption, I hope you have a  very good explanation for this.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Mais Oui, I have just spotted another edit of yours, which confirms the edits above were vandalism: these edits to Categories for discussion/Working, which would have had the effect of causing the bots to merge Category:Current British MPs to Category:British MPs. Quite apart from the fact that this was not an outcome discussed at the CfD for Category:Current British MPs, nor how it was closed, you have been involved in enough previous discussions on these categories to know that MPs of the Parliament of the United Kingdom are categorised under Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament, and that Category:British MPs is a container category for MPs from various parliaments.


 * This is such blatant vandalism that I have extended your block to 7 days as a prelude to taking the case to WP:ANI. If you had succeeded in these actions, you would have caused the bots to depopulated no less than 54 valid categories of British Members of Parliament, and miscategorised hundreds of current MPs. (For records of Mais Oui's previous involvement in discussions on this subject, start at Category talk:British MPs, and see the numerous previous CfDs listed there.) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Replies to Mais Oui's comment:
 * I have not "embarked on a campaign to have nearly every single category for English, Irish (1801-1922), Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh MPs (created and largely populated by my good self) deleted", and have helped to populate them. I have, however, objected to many of the sub-categories of Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies, Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies, etc which are triple intersections and IMO cause category clutter. We disagree on that, but such disagreement is legitimate.


 * As to the canvassing, Mais Oui needs to read WP:CANVASS, and consider what is acceptable: the comments in this edit are clearly partisan.
 * If Mais Oui disagrees with a CfD closure, WP:DRV is available, but vandalism is not an acceptable response
 * Mais Oui is wrong to say that the categories which he tagged with db had failed at CfD. Apart from the fact that 53 of them were not even nominated in the Cfd of March May 22, they were most recently discussed at Categories for_discussion/Log/2007 May 9, where the result was "keep"; they had previously been discussed with a "no consensus" result at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 10.
 * So Mais Oui's question of "What template should have been used" is a red herring: no CfD had agreed to remove them.
 * Mais Oui's comment that "I have never closed a CFD before" is revealing. MO did not close the CFD: it had already been closed by Radiant!, who had made all the necessary entries at WP:CFD/W.
 * If MO's db notices had not been spotted by User:Sam Blacketer, the 54 MPs-by Parliament categories would have been depopulated by the bots: the removal of 15,000 or more category tags from articles would have taken thousands of hours to restore.
 * these edits to Categories for discussion/Working, which would have had the effect of causing the bots to merge Category:Current British MPs to Category:British MPs, and in fact that did start to happen: see this list of Cyedbot's contribs. This was halted only because I was watching the relevant articles and was able to promptly block the bot and notify the bot's owner.
 * I hope to find time later today to take this to WP:ANI, but I have never seen anything like this attempt to use the bots to trigger an out-of-process recategorisation which would destroy so many categories. It is the biggest-scale act of attempted vandalism I have ever heard of, and exposes a vulnerability in the CfD process. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

PS In case it wasn't clear from the above, I have no disagreement at all with Radiant's closurethe May 22 CfD for Category:Current British MPs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Mais Oui professes great fury and indignation about the "countless daft categories she has created - which actually failed a CFD, but miraculously still exist", referring to the sub-categories of Category:MPs of the United Kingdom House of Commons, by Parliament. In the CfD discussion, here's what Mais Oui had to say in this edit about these categories: "Keep -well thought out set of categories. I have never been terribly convinced by this "category clutter" argument. If a person is notable for a lot of different things then they are going to be in a lot of categories. So what?"
 * Is there more than one Mais Oui?

Is the Mais Oui who described these as "countless daft categories" the same Mais Oui who 20 days earlier described the same categories as a "well thought out set of categories"????? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

CFD/W protected
To prevent any further abuse of the CFD process, WP:CFD/W is now protected: see WT:CFD/W. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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 * Comments on unblock request:
 * On the canvassing, read WP:CANVASS. The links you posted to the CfD went far beyond the requirement that they be neutral in tone, and they were targetted at a specific audience.
 * The January CfD did not close with a result of listify or delete or rename; that CfD was an unsuccessful proposal to rename. The same categories were discussed again at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 9 with a proposal tpo delete, and clear result of "keep" which you supported, describing them as a "well thought out set of categories".
 * See Deletion_process: "Non-administrators generally should not close "delete" decisions, even if they are unanimous, as they lack the technical ability to delete pages". You are not an administrator, and the CfDs concerned had already been closed.
 * The categories to which you added the db tags were not part of the May 22 CfD. Your question of "What template do you suggest should have been used instead?" misses the crucial point: no tag as needed.
 * Your edit to WP:CFD/W (see diff) should not have been made because you are not an admin, and because that CfD had also been closed. However, even if you were an admin, the conclusion of the debate to listify did not require a merge of Category:Current British MPs to Category:British MPs. As above, Category:British MPs is a grandparent category, used a container category for MPs of several different parliaments, and is not populated with individual MPs. You obviously knew that, because your own !vote in the CfD (see diff) recommended "merge current British MPs into Category:UK MPs 2005-". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Devolution
Thanks for your comment re, there is a serious amount of England=UK that needs to be untangled in many articles which have failed to take account of legislation which does not apply consistently across the UK.--MBRZ48 04:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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Lord Hume of Berwick
Are you an administrator? If so, please could you lock this article on my last reversion (presently in place) and consider the arguments on the Talk Page please. The matter was previously raised with User:BrownHairedGirl, an admin, who is now away and suggests it be looked at by another admin. Please could you see her comments on her Talk Page. If you are not an admin but know of a good academic admin please could you pass on this request. David Lauder 08:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Help please
I wondered if you would consider reviewing my remarks here. Many thanks. David Lauder 09:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please, just look at this Talk Page (I had previously removed a nuisance Not Notable template from the article). Regards, David Lauder 21:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! I despair.--Vintagekits 23:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Help - English/British
As someone who previously supported using English on the Daniel Craig page, I would very much like your help. I am having great problems at the Bernard Manning talk page, with one user who states Manning cannot be English, mainly because he has Irish and Jewish ancestry. He fails to see that it is a unwritten consensus that we use English/Scottish/Welsh, and to be honest I feel that he and I arguing each other is getting no where. He also fails to accept the comprimse a third user suggested. Anyway, I would be very grateful if you could help out, I could do with some support! --UpDown 15:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)