User talk:Maitch/Archive 3

Maitch contributions
Do you actually contribute any original material or do you just edit and criticise for the sake of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul210 (talk • contribs)

Are you the real comic book guy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul210 (talk • contribs)

Still waiting on an answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul210 (talk • contribs)


 * No, I'm not the comic book guy. What are you, ten years old? --Maitch 13:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Get a life ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul210 (talk • contribs)

The Tracey Ullam Show.
Hi there, I've moved the page back to Tracey Ullman show. See Here for why. Telly addict  18:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons talk
I responded on the Simpsons talk page about how to edit the secondary characters, specifically, whether to include episodes in which the characters play a substantial role in driving the plot. The feeling among the few people who have posted tends to be one of removing those sections. I think some discussion here would be worthwhile. --takethemud 02:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons - Peabody award
Why do you say the Peabody award on The Simpsons page is needed? It sounds sorta rubbish to me... -- Silva  Storm  
 * It's just that I know quite a lot of awards and have never heard of it. -- Silva  Storm  

Cape Feare
I've noticed that you've been making some changes to the Cape Feare article. If you need some stuff for it, I can get some image caps no problem (perhaps a capture of the rake joke?) Also, this episode placed very highly on the NoHomers Club Top 100 a couple years ago, and although I'm not sure if it would count as a source, you could include it as fan reception. In the test page, there are a few grammer errors that you may want to clean up. -- Scorpion 20:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are the images:
 * Rake Joke: Image:Rake Joke.png
 * Family with Witness Protection shirts: Image:Cape Feare family.png
 * Bates Motel: Image:Bates Motel.png
 * And if you want em, I have screenshots of "The Thompsons" intro and a picture of Bob trying to stab Bart. I prefer using screenshots for display pics as opposed to promos, but it's up to you. -- Scorpion 03:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons
I was just wondering if you'd made a request for the Simpsons article to be on the main page. July 27, April 19 and May 20 were the three dates discussed on the Simpsons page. I was thinking we should try for July 27 (or April 19) for The Simpsons and May 20 for Cape Feare should it be promoted, although we would probably have a hard time getting an episode on the main page. If you like, I can make the request and assemble the shortened main page version. -- Scorpion 01:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No. I forgot. You can do it if you want to. --Maitch 05:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Which date is preferable to you? April 19, May 20 or July 27? -- Scorpion 06:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just mention all of them. Then Raul can decide which date fits best. --Maitch 17:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Spin-off
A while back you said that there was a chapter about The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase in the book Leaving Springfield. As I don't have it, could you add any of the useful info it has etc. Plus any other genral improvements to the article. Thanks. Gran2 19:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I will look into it tomorrow or next week. --Maitch 17:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Phobia
Hi, I've changed your "Significance" header to "Theme"- you can see my edit summary for my rationale, hope this is OK by you. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Bad-formatting requirement
Just curious: Where is the requirement stated that Featured Articles cannot have bullet lists, and what sort of rationale is there for requiring that they must be badly formatted? Seems kind of counter-intuitive to me. - 66.93.200.116 12:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is just because your perception is that bullets are a better to go. During multiple peer reviews we were told that if we got rid of the bulleted list, then we would get closer to FA status. Featured articles are prose. Featured lists are for lists. --Maitch 00:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Templates
I proposed this a while ago and you were opposed to it, but the staff categories have been deleted and I have created a Simpsons writers template, and I planned to make a directors, cast (which wouldn't include recurring guest stars) and possibly EPs. I was wondering if you had any objections to this. -- Scorpion 21:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I objected to one template for all who had ever been on the staff. I don't really mind a template dedicated to the writers we have a page for. --Maitch 21:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was also wondering what to do about staff like Bonita Pietilla who has a page but wouldn't fit under any unless we made a producers template, which is highly unnecessary. Perhaps the EP one could be made EPs & other staff. Also, there is now a List of directors of The Simpsons which needs work before it is of the quality of the writers page. But, I wanted to make a list of supervising directors, etc., but I couldn't find a source. -- Scorpion 21:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. If you are having trouble finding a source for the crew you can always just cite the end credits of an episode. --Maitch 21:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured topic
Just so you know, Gran2 and I have decided to try to get Season 8 and its episode articles to Featured topic. It's a big job as we would have to get every page to GA status, the season 8 page to FL status and a couple FAs wouldn't hurt. If you would be willing to help by working on a couple of episodes pages, it would be much appreciated. Gran and I agreed to take 5 episodes and work on them for the time being. Gran has In Marge We Trust, Homer vs. The Eighteenth Amendment, Lisa's Date with Density and The Springfield Files and I'm working on THOH VII, You Only Move Twice, The Homer They Fall, Hurricane Neddy and Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious. -- Scorpion 23:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I currently do not own the 8th season, so I'm going to pass for now. I might join you later. --Maitch 15:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You could work on the Season 8 page. You wouldn't need the DVDs for that. -- Scorpion 16:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, okay. --Maitch 17:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Image
I just found out that this image needs to say where it came from before it can go on the main page. I have no idea where it came from, do you? -- Scorpion 16:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It is probably some kind of promotional image. --Maitch 20:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons plots rewrite
Hey, thanks for the update. I think you have a lot of good stuff there, and the Turner book is a nice source. However, it seems like some of the material (eg, Lisa's activism, the influence of SCTV, etc) is already mentioned elsewhere in the article. Also, the section doesn't really say much about the plots of the show; it seems to concentate primarily on the themes. Common plot elements that might deserve a mention include: Homer's getting a new job, Bart pulling a prank, family taking a trip, etc. I do think we should mention plots and themes, though; maybe the section itself deserves a different title.

There are a few prose issues (style, grammar), as well, but let's decide upon the content before worrying about that.

Anyway, those are just some thoughts. Thanks for your efforts; I think we're almost there. Is Homer's Phobia a FA, too? I didn't realize it; that's pretty cool. Zagalejo 22:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Walk of fame star image
As it seems the other one got deleted, I have found this image of The Simpsons Hollywood walk of fame star, which appears to be free to use. If it is free to use, and you can find a good place to put it, I shall leave it to you. Gran2 10:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. I have inserted it the same place the former photo was. Too bad the quality is worse. --Maitch 11:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah its not the best, but I think it'll be better for the articles main page request, someone replaced the fair use image with the free use one of Matt Groening. As this one is in the article, it would be better. Gran2 11:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some adjustments to the image and think it looks a bit better now. --Maitch 11:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's nicer, good job. I've stuck it one the main page request, that also gave me a chance to read some of the comments for Charles Darwin, some people being unecessarily rude about The Simpsons, although April 19 is a bit of a lost cause now. Scooby Doo is up in a few days and I doubt Raul would have two American cartoons in the same month, plus Darwin looks set to win anyway. Gran2 11:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Jumps pointlessly up and down, much, much beter quality, free use one! Have to cut the foot out though, again I'll leave it to you if you want to change it. Gran2 16:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have uploaded it without the foot. --Maitch 17:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Lady Bouvier's Lover
I don't understand why my edit to this article was removed. I did read your edit summary, but I couldn't comprehend it. Anthony Rupert 02:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, uncited goofs should not be in the episode articles. If there is a major cited goof, it shold be in a production section. --Maitch 09:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Enemy copyedit complete
Hi! I'm with the WP:LoCE and have completed a copyedit of this article, as you requested. Let me know if you have any questions. Galena11 17:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons
I'll take a look at it as soon as I can; my schoolwork is piling up at the moment, though. Zagalejo 07:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's shaping up nicely. There are a few things I'd still like to tweak, although I'm really swamped right now so I can't go into too much detail.  It might be nice to have a few specific examples to illustrate the themes; for example, when talking about the environment, maybe we could briefly mention Blinky the Three-Eyed fish.  (Just to illustrate the point for our readers.)  However, I'm not sure we'd have room for that. Any thoughts?


 * I'll try to give more detailed feedback as soon as I can.Zagalejo 20:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think we should let fear of noobies dictate the content in the article, but, since it's an encyclopedia article, and not an English paper, I guess it's OK to generalize. Zagalejo 19:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at the list of the show's "ancestors," I was wondering if it might be better to uses sources in which Simpsons staff members themselves identify those series as major influences. Such sources would have more authority than Turner, who didn't actually interview anyone involved with the show.  For example, I know that Matt Groening has been quoted as saying SCTV was a big inspiration. Zagalejo 20:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason I'm concerned is that, on one of the DVD commentaries, Matt Groening says that he did not want to emulate the madcap pacing of the Looney Tunes cartoons. (I have no idea exactly when he says it, or exactly what he says, but something to that effect is there somewhere. Give me some time, maybe I'll find it.)
 * Another point: what exactly does Turner say about SNL and SCTV? I'm not sure how to interpret this sentence from the article: "The show was also inspired by sketch comedies such as Saturday Night Live and SCTV for its vast array of minor characters, parodies of public figures and mass-media products." Are we saying that both SNL and SCTV had "vast arrays of minor characters [and] parodies of public figures and mass-media products"? SNL has always had some recurring characters, but I don't think it ever had the same sort of in-show universe as SCTV (though I don't know that much about either show, so I could be wrong here.) Zagalejo 15:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I'm going to look for some old staff interviews. Turner is a good source for identifying common themes and plot structures, but the show creators themselves are the only people who can really say what influenced the show (and what didn't). Thanks for your continued cooperation, though. Zagalejo 19:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll do some digging to see if there's anything else. Zagalejo 06:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's an attempt I made at re-writing the section. For the moment, I've shelved the paragraph on the influences and concentrated on the plots and themes.  I did decide to cite a few specific examples from the show throughout the section, since I think it's more important to be clear and descriptive than to worry about what newbies might add.


 * It's all kinda rough, and I might end up changing a few things. I do have a question: you claimed that the show's philosophy is nihilism, but where, specifically, does Turner say this?


 * Anyway, your comments are welcome. Zagalejo 05:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If I'm introducing an exact quote from Turner, I do need to say "Turner says..." or "Turner writes..." The article's text needs to be explicit that those are his words; the citations are not good enough. This is standard research paper stuff.  I could probably probably change the last line, though, since it's a paraphrase of a noncontroversial claim.
 * I rather like that first quote. It's not our words, so we're not responsible for the peacock terms.  (See the FA Jaws (film); it contains a lot of similarly glowing quotes from critics and analysts.) However, if you have a good way of paraphrasing it, let me know.
 * Like I said, though, this is all very rough. I'll continue to think about it and edit it. Thanks for your comments. Zagalejo 20:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct, but the rules for referencing exact quotes are still valid here. Zagalejo 20:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Britannica doesn't directly cite any of its sources. Wikipedia is a fundamentally different project.  Again, I'll mull this over to think of ways to improve it.  I'm not personally satisfied with it just yet; I just wanted to give an update on my progress. Zagalejo 21:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Plots and themes
In his 2004 book Planet Simpson, Chris Turner writes, "The basic premise of the Simpsons is right out of sitcom-land: it's a series about family life in a typical American town. . . . And yet, from this [premise], the show's writers have painted a series of sprawling satirical portraits worthy of Hieronymus Bosch." Some Simpsons plots involve relatively mundane situations, such as Bart's problems with a school bully or Lisa's crush on a substitue teacher. Other plots, meanwhile, are more far-fetched. For example, Homer Simpson has served as an astronaut, and the entire family once battled theme-park robots gone amok in a parody of the film Westworld.

Turner describes Springfield as a "whole satirical universe" in which the characters can explore all themes of modern society. Through Bart's and Lisa's days at Springfield Elementary School, the show critiques the American education system. Springfield's vast, in-universe media landscape, which has everything from kids' television programming to local news, allows the show to satirize the American entertainment industry. With characters like Mayor Quimby, Reverend Lovejoy, and Chief Wiggum, the series lampoons politicians, religious leaders, police officers, and other authority figures. According to Matt Groening, the show's creators deliberately put Homer in a nuclear power plant to "make a point about the environment." (In one episode, for example, the polluted waters near the power plant give rise to a three-eyed fish named Blinky.)

The show sometimes displays a fondness for progressive ideals, often reflecting a liberal bias. However, Turner notes that the series does make jokes from both sides of the political spectrum.

Rensdyr
Tak for hjælpen med Reindeer hunting in Greenland. -- Fyslee/talk 07:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You suggested "Remove the links to categories. We generally don't do that." The categories are not "active" (IOW they don't place the article in the categories) and they provide access to more information than linking to just one article. Is it forbidden to do this? I have followed your advice and eliminated a few where the actual article was good enough. In some instances such a removal would lessen the quality of the article as a useful resource for hunters or those interested in the subject, so I'm letting them stay for the time being. Some subjects just aren't covered very well in one single article, whereas the category provides plenty of options for people seeking information. -- Fyslee/talk 07:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Can't believe you hadn't got one of these yet.

Re: The Simpsons
I've copyedited the first half of The Simpsons. When time allows, I'll go through the second half. I couldn't believe the prose was so bad - before copyediting the prose certainty was not of FA standard. Thank you very much for alerting me to this and don't hesitate to ask if you'd like me to copyedit anything else. JameiLei 12:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sadly it's a problem across the Simpsons WikiProject. As much of the information is contributed piece by piece by many different users, much of the prose becomes very choppy even if all the content is there. Also many GAs in my opinion the criteria (a) the prose is clear and the grammar is correct, which is why I'm trawling my way through Season 8 improving the standard of prose to a more FA level. JameiLei 20:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homer_Simpson&diff=133596972&oldid=133596917

So, all I need to do to add the image back is to give a reasonable rationale, right?

Since Homer Simpson is known in the show for sitting on his couch, then the image could be used as an example of a scene depicting him do this. There is no free alternative, so, does that satisfy WP:FU? WhisperToMe 07:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you can't use that image, because it is not relevant to the section. Homer sitting on a couch doesn't say anything about his personality and then it doesn't satisfy WP:FU. --Maitch 07:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the major points of Homer in the Simpsons is that the character is extremely lazy and likes to watch television. That trait seems to be one of his signature aspects. WhisperToMe 07:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if you think it is better at showcasing Homer's personality than the image that currently in the section, then replace the image. We can't overuse fair use images, so we can only have one in the section. --Maitch 08:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

What if I add the image if/when someone significantly expands the section and/or subdivides it? WhisperToMe 09:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you can, but the section doesn't need to be expanded. --Maitch 10:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't accusing you of completely rigging FACs. What I said was that it concerned me if those types are ratings are in those Simpson FAs, because it would mean that people are ignoring reliability criteria. It would mean that people are so concerned with reaching FA status that they forget to be critical in the review. Notice how I said that the rest of the content structurally looks good. I'll be happy to read through those FA Simpson episodes, and if I choose put them up for review if you like.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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'How to write an episode page'
Hey, thanks for your offer of help. It'd be good to see a draft of a guide suitable for use for ALL types of episodes, perhaps integrating some of the usable stuff currently on the WikiProject Television/Episodes page. (That page is liable to be weeded of that stuff, following the likely broadening of the WikiProject). It's good to start with a proposal, and easy enough then to fiddle with a few minor details to bring it in line with everyone's ideas. I think if we help people to start GOOD articles in the first place, rather than just churn out little stubs from templates, then half the battle's won, as it were. Anyway, please do keep contributing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episodes, and also look at the proposed expansion of the existing episode guidelines at WT:EPISODE. Do let us know if you're interested in helping us move this along. Gwinva 14:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Need your input
All that needs to be done on my season 1 draft page is the episode descriptions. But, I decided to put a history of the debacle surrounding Some Enchanted Evening and used some of the text from your draft page. So, I was wondering if you could take a look and tell me what you think. As well, I couldn't find any reliable sources for all of the Emmy nominations, so I decided to cheat a little and use the Emmy database, even though you can't link to it. It's a shame because it really is a good site. I figured that it would be okay, because the Copyright Database is an acceptable source for the episode FL and this is basically the same thing. Hopefully, nobody will notice it, but if they do, I'll simply explain that it is a really good source and is easily confirmable. But, do you think it's a useable source? Thanks for the time, Scorpion0422 05:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh-oh
Somebody came out of nowhere and made You Only Move Twice an FAC (here). If you could take a look at the page, it would be much appreciated. -- Scorpion0422 06:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreign language voice cast of The Simpsons
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The Simpsons shorts
For the record, I wasn't saying that we should create individual pages, I was merely mentioning the criteria. To be honest, I'm amazed that the page for Good Night has gone this long without being targeted. On a side note, do you have any suggestions for A Streetcar Named Marge? The page is good, but I think it could use a little more content. -- Scorpion0422 17:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal
You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. Right now debate seems to be among support for the current selective democratic/consensus based proposal, a selective dictatorial approach like that used at WP:TFA or a non-selective first in line/calendar approach like that used at WP:POTD. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Hi. I have seen you not agree (like me) on deleting the Denmark national football team season articles, as you removed a tag for the 2006 article. Please compete in the debate on Talk:Denmark national football team season 2007. ka la  ha  17:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Triple Crown, Simpsons style
Hello. Please have a look at Special Simpsons edition triple crown offer It seems from our estimation that, all you would need is to create or expand greatly from stub a Simpsons related article, and you'd be eligible for one of 's Triple Crowns. Let us know if you are interested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Simpsons/Featured topic Drive. Thanks. Cirt (talk) 18:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC).
 * Sounds good, do keep us posted, and good luck with the move. By the time you get settled in, WikiProject The Simpsons/Featured topic Drive will most probably have progressed a good deal further.  Cirt (talk) 09:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC).

DYK

 * Great job, it's a really good article! Cirt (talk)
 * Cheers,  Daniel  10:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons WikiProject Triple Crown
Thank you for all your hard work, and may you wear the crowns (and donut) well. Durova Charge! 00:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)