User talk:MajorHawke

welcome to my talk page, If you have something to ask or say to me about help or something else, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL AND POLITE, don't trash talk me or start a fight with me on my talk page. thank you MajorHawke (talk) 10:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

RE:Question
Nope, actually I've never heard of that before. I just made a random username lol. Candy o32  00:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Candy-O (song)


The article Candy-O (song) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails WPNSONGS, unfortunately (I happen to love this song). Not released as a single, no reviews by notable critics, no awards shown here (or that I know of), no mentions of being coverered by multiple notable acts. Article has zero references after a week. And even if the song were notable, the amount of material we've gathered so far is barely even a stub (4 sentences and a list of personnel and a brief infobox) so an entire article appears to be unearned.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Don't be discouraged!
Hi MajorHawke. Just wanted to let you know I've removed the proposed deletion tag from the Candy-O song article you created and added some sources, which will hopefully prevent its deletion. I appreciate the work you're doing building music content here; just don't forget to source everything so it won't get deleted. Allmusic is a really good source for rock music; I've added three Allmusic references to the article. I'll be happy to help you with source-finding if you need it. 28bytes (talk) 18:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. 28bytes (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Double Life
Hi MajorHawke. Thanks for the note. Be sure to find sources before you start the Double Life article, though... it was a lucky break I was able to find sources for Candy-O but there might not be sources for Double Life. Or there might be... but you should definitely check first! I'd hate for someone to delete your hard work because sources couldn't be found. 28bytes (talk) 01:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck! 28bytes (talk)
 * Good start! Looks like you were able to find some sources. That's the good news. The bad news is, since the song didn't chart, it might still get deleted for not being notable. If you're going to start more song articles, you may want to focus on songs that did chart, so you don't have to worry about deletions.
 * There are a couple of Cars songs on this list that don't have Wikipedia articles, so if you start an article about them and include sources like you did for Double Life, they should hold up to any deletion challenges. And if there are other bands you like, you can find a list of their charting songs on allmusic too. Good luck! 28bytes (talk) 03:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Limp Wrist, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Wyatt Riot (talk) 15:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Reference Help
Sure, I'll take a look at it sometime this week. By the way, please don't do things like this. I was really surprised to see you show up on the vandal list this week. 28bytes (talk) 04:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're bored, you might consider taking up vandal-fighting. Wikipedia has some great vandal-fighting tools you can use. I use WP:Twinkle myself. You might enjoy whacking vandals in your free time. 28bytes (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

An Apology
I'm so sorry for being so immature. I feel like an idiot right now. I honestly don't know why I was rude to you. I guess at random times, I just feel like being rude to people. Everytime I go to that page, I think about how you must have been offended when I deleted your edit and wrote that harsh comment to you. You probably think that I am lower than the ground that we walk on. I can understand that because I was REALLLLY harsh on you. I should have just followed what you wrote on your page about trash talking and kept my mouth shut. My problem is that there was not a whole section on the unreleased tracks, but just that one track. It's your choice whether you want to forgive me or not. Next time, I will not delete a section if it just looks pointless, I will appreciate it for what it is, unless if it is so false or poorly made that it can't even be on here (your edit does not fall here). I understand that you are a huge fan of the Cars, so you probably know what you are doing. I even helped you on editing the page a few minutes ago by slapping on the heading "Unreleased Tracks" and editing the "Cool Fool" section. Before you made your edit, the page had just the track listing, personnel, and the information box. So once again, I'd like to say, I'm sorry. Hopefully, We can just put this behind us. Reply if you want to. I just listened to Cool Fool and it is an amazing song (as usual from The Cars). The Cars ROCK!!!! Wildboy7 (talk) 00:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you so much for accepting my apology! I was waiting all day for a reply. I guess that "lower than the dirt we walk on" comment was being a little extreme, but hey, I really wanted you to forgive me. Now that you have forgiven me, I won't think of this small feud we had, but rather the friendship we currently have. My favorite Cars songs are Panorama, Drive, You Might Think, and Door To Door. It would be a great idea if you put more detail into your user page, like telling us what bands you like, what you like to do on your spare time, and other interesting things about you. You don't have to do it, but your user page would be so much better with it. Wildboy7 (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to La Bamba (song) has been reverted, as it appears to introduce incorrect information. Please do not intentionally add incorrect information to articles; use the sandbox for testing. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Diannaa (Talk) 00:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Twist and Shout. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. R ad io pa th y  •talk•  00:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Ease up
This is not the proper method of addressing other editors. Please be more careful in future. Thanks  Tide  rolls  00:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Re: your message on my page; any user on this site can point out problems to any other user. I do not speak for User:Radiopathy, but wanted to direct you to WP:NPA (which is a policy).  I can understand frustration, but the use of such address harms your argument more than it harms the target of such address.  Regards  Tide  rolls  00:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I will add that you know by now that you need reliable sources whenever you add new content to an article. I've heard it said that Get off of My Cloud is a speeded-up version of Twist and Shout, but I don't have a verifiable source to allow me to put that into the article. Don't take it personally that your contributions were reverted. R ad io pa th y  •talk•  00:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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I'm Not the One
Hi MajorHawke. The good news is, you found a perfect review for the song on allmusic. The bad news is, you can't quote the whole thing, since that's against copyright. I've taken it out, but am working on putting some new text in that will discuss what the allmusic reviewer says without using too much of his text. I'll let you know when I'm done with my changes, it will probably take an hour or two. 28bytes (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, all done. 28bytes (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. The previous revisions may need to be cleared from the article history because of the copying, so I'll ask the administrators about that. Have a happy Thanksgiving. 28bytes (talk) 21:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Alternative music was created in the late 70s and early 80s. New Wave is a form of alternative music. Sbrianhicks (talk) 22:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Just because it's from the 70s doesn't mean it's classic rock. Joy Division and the Cure were from the 70s and were post-punk and gothic rock, which are two forms of alternative music.  I have even heard the Cars on an alternative radio station.  Judging from your talk page, I'm guessing that you are one of those fans that want to label things about a band what ever you want with out having facts.  The fact that you think alternative music did not exist until the mid 1990s, proves that you don't know much about the divide between classic rock and alternative.  I'm not trying to be mean; I know this from experiance.  I used to like heavy metal (classic) such as Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Ozzy Osbourne and hated alternative and thought that I knew everything about it.  Then I started listening to it and realized that it's actually pretty good and learned about it.  So, it's a common mistake.  My source:  http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/merchandise/0,,24884,00.html/.  I am currently not sure weather this meets reliability requirments, but I'll work on it.  (It says "other alternative albums," meaning that the Cars are alternative.)  Sbrianhicks (talk) 13:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually don't know how to cite the same source more than once. Sbrianhicks (talk) 21:12, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

It's All I Can Do
It was who removed the demo version, not me. All I did to the article was add a hatnote for the Anne Murray song of the same name. Eric444 (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Eric444 (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Genres
Hi MajorHawke, how's it going? Hey, can you do me a favor and not change the genres on the Cars articles? I noticed you've done a lot of that recently, and it's usually best to just leave the genres alone unless there's something in there that's obviously vandalism. There are even warning templates like this one that people might start sending you (although I wouldn't do that myself since I know you're only trying to be helpful.) Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 21:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

"Rock songs" Category
Hi MajorHawke. Just an FYI that you don't need to add Category:Rock songs to the Cars song articles. They're already categorized as "Rock songs" because Category:The Cars songs is a sub-category of Category:American rock songs, which is a sub-category of Category:Rock songs. In fact, Category:Rock songs says not to put that category on individual songs, but to instead use more specific categories (like, in this case, Category:The Cars songs.) Hope this helps! 28bytes (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I wasn't clear before: Category:Rock songs does not go on individual song articles. Pick any random rock song, go to its article, and you'll see that. 28bytes (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Substitution Mass Confusion
I don't know if you like cover bands, but I thought you might find this album interesting: Substitution Mass Confusion. 28bytes (talk) 07:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

iPhone
No worries, I didn't think it was intentional. 28bytes (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

My Best Friend's Girl
Hi MajorHawke, I appreciate all the contributions you have made to My Best Friend's Girl (and other Cars articles for that matter). Based on your last edit to the article, I wanted to let you know that I don't believe your information was false, just unsourced. The part in particular that concerned me was: "the best way to sum it up is art rock, for the fact art rock is creative and experimental like The Cars." I can see where an art rock description makes sense, but since its a song that doesn't seem to have a universally accepted clear-cut genre, we can't claim it's "the best way to sum it up" just because it sounds right to our ears. In other words, narrowing it down to one "best" genre is a tough sell without something or someone authoritative saying so. For most artists, their songs can be pretty easily labeled, but as you know, the Cars (as a band in general and "My Best Friend's Girl individually) blend multiple styles and subgenres. That makes it tough to pigeonhole the song into only one of these descriptions: "power pop", "new wave", "art rock"...I kinda like how it is in the infobox, with all of them listed (I noticed you were the editor who added art rock to the infobox, good catch). Anyway, I hope this helps further clarifies where I was coming from. Thanks.  Gongshow  Talk 20:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No trouble at all - thanks for writing back. Looking forward to their new album and its great timing to see a lot of effort going into their articles from the past and present. See ya 'round!  Gongshow  Talk 22:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Sad Song
Hi MajorHawke. I saw you turned the Sad Song redirect into an article but you forgot to include sources, so I've changed it back to a redirect for the time being. Feel free to turn it back into an article once you find some sources for it. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks MajorHawke. I've formatted the references for you. I had to remove the bit about the lyrics, but if you can find a reliable source that talks about the lyrics, we can put that back in. Take care. 28bytes (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Genres
The answer to your question is that music genre for The Cars is... whatever the reliable sources say it is. The important thing about Wikipedia is that it's not a place for us to say what we think, it's a place for reporting what the reliable sources have to say about it. Personally, I think there are probably a lot of different genres that various Cars songs fall under. Some are pretty solidly rock, some are pretty solidly pop, etc., but I don't really give it that much thought, I just enjoy the music however it's labeled.

One important thing to note is that when people change genres without citing a source for the change, it really annoys people. You don't want to become a genre warrior! 28bytes (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Your edit summary re The Beatles article
I refer to your summary here. I regret that it is possible that the wording might appear to some people as a threat - that you will add in further genres (and possibly recruit others from "allmusic"?) were someone to revert or otherwise vary your edit. I am sure that this was not your intent, since that would potentially result in your being blocked - after being appropriately warned, of course - and the same any other editor who might unfortunately be regarded as your meatpuppet, as this may adversely effect the possiblity of fruitful collaborative editing in the future. As you are of course aware, the appropriate manner to discuss the inclusion of other genres in the article is via the talkpage. I am certain that will be the avenue you will take, if you wish to explore this aspect of the article further. Cheers, LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Just what I needed
Yah that's what I was trying to imply. It seemed to be more rock than power pop to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crowthd (talk • contribs) 01:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC) I'll admit sometimes i have been guilty of being a genre warrrior. But, it really bothers me when people who are way off on their genres change them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crowthd (talk • contribs) 21:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Your unsourced changes and additions
MajorHawke, I'm starting to get really frustrated here. I've asked you to knock off all the unsourced additions and changes to the genres. In fact, I've asked this repeatedly, and I thought you understood, but here today you've just screwed around with four Cars articles! If you keep this up I'm going to have to ask an administrator to intervene. You simply can't just put your opinion of what the genres are in articles, it has to be backed up by a reliable source. Until you start providing a source for your genre changes, please stop changing them. 28bytes (talk) 12:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. It appears that my earlier comments have not struck home, so I will be more direct - if you continue to change genres in music related article, in apparent deference to your own opinion and without supporting sources, you are going to be blocked for disruption. LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding your message on my talkpage; you have already caught the attention of an administrator - me. Editing too much is not a problem, and it is not the one you are having. Your problem is that you are changing the genre of music related articles to ones which are unsourced and open to dispute. Apparently, you are changing the genres to what you think it should be. This is incorrect, and if done regardless of requests and warnings to stop is considered disruption. These edits may result in your being blocked. I shall not be the admin who blocks you, because I am now considered involved, but I am able to tell you what is likely to happen when another admin is contacted. These are not threats, but warnings on what will happen unless you change how you edit. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
Hi MajorHawke. I got your message. The easiest way to format a source is to simply include it in. For example, a link to an Allmusic review might look like this:. Someone (me, probably) can come in and clean it up later. There are better ways to reference things, but that's the simplest.

I have to ask you, though, to stop adding things until you have a reference for them. In fact, I ask you that a lot, and you always seem to ignore me, so I'm going to ask the administrators if they can step in. Because "who cares no sources say it, it's true" simply isn't acceptable. 28bytes (talk) 00:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't call people aholes. And don't blame LessHeard vanU for me starting a thread at the admin board, he had nothing to do with it. I don't think you're a vandal at all, I just think you don't take me (or anyone else) seriously when we try to help you understand the rules of the road here. I really hope that will change; if you can pair the enthusiasm you have for The Cars with a good understanding of the site policies, you can do a lot of great things here. But if you ignore the policies, your enthusiasm won't be of much help, since you'll be blocked from editing. 28bytes (talk) 01:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks 28bytes, although im guessing you had something to do with me being blocked im not gonna hold it against you, and i do take you seriously, you've helped me alot over the year, although im probably gonna get offically blocked after telling that admin to fck off, just know i have alot of respect for your edits and help. Just about every day ive came here and checked my watchlist, created articles, talked to you and edited. Now i'll have to find something else to do, maybe. Thanks for the enthusiam compliment about if i understanded the policies better, i could do great things here, take care!

June 2011
Please do not add unsourced content, as you did to Good Times Roll. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for repeated failure to adhere to sourcing policy, and being abusive towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It saddened me to have to impose this block, as you are clearly an enthusiastic contributor. But we do have ways of doing things here, and they're not arbitrary - there are very good reasons for our sourcing, verifiability and civility policies. I can see you appear to be frustrated, but being abusive to people is not the way to react. You have been getting some very good guidance from 28bytes and others here, so when this block expires I would strongly encourage you to listen and pay attention to what you are being told -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Abuse to other users?? what the hell are you talking about? Pull up some proof, i really want to see some. The no-source thing i can understand, but abuse? You are really a asshole, you know that? They shouldnt give anyone the privelege to remove anyone at their own finger-tips, but im sure i seem like a vandalist to you since you dont know me. Although i appreciate you calling me enthusiastic Im gonna regret this later, but im gonna say fuck off to you because i have not recently been disruptive since i first began here when i didnt know to much about the place. I'm guessing 28bytes got your attention? How nice, all I try to do is keep my favorite songs in tacked and as factual as possible, but i dont know how to format sources, so i cant back them up even though half of the time there is a source somewhere for them. Well thanks for the block! MajorHawke (talk) 02:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi MajorHawke, I suspect that type of civility is exactly part of the issue. It'd be sad if such actions ended up extending your block (not something I'm suggesting, as they weren't directed at me). Anyway, hopefully you'll consider this before your editing capabilities are restored: Wikipedia is about information not given undue weight, as citable via reliable sources (usually preferably secondary sources) and is not about the truth or our own research or opinions. Perhaps with that in mind, (and with perusing the links to gain a better understanding), you can see why your edits actually are against policies and guidelines. As for formatting sources, you'll find information on that in the link I provided, as well as in various sections of WP:HELP. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it... and if you enable the extended editor (in your preferences), there's a whole help section on the top that will show you exactly how to create reference links (and many other editing tricks). Best, Robert R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 03:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

MajorHawke, you called another editor a weird ahole, which is the abuse in question. Also, many people would have extended your block for being abusive to the blocking asshole, er, admin, but I'm prepared to overlook it this time seeing as you were clearly in an angry mood at the time. But a repetition is not advisable, so I strongly urge you to read the wise words of RobertMfromLI (who is well-known for helping new and young editors), and moderate your behavior when your block expires. Pay attention to what people have been telling you for some time, respond civilly when people say and do things you don't like rather than lashing out at them, and you can fulfill your potential as a long-term constructive contributor. But if you come out fighting, you're going to be blocked for longer. I'll be watching - I'll be here to help should you need anything, so please do ask, but I'll also be prepared to take further preventative action if necessary. It's up to you now -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 21:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Formatting sources
Hi MajorHawke. I just want to say, don't worry about formatting sources. It's not the format that's important, the important thing is that whatever you add is sourced. You can just plop the URL in the article right after the sentences you add; I or someone else will come along and tidy it up. Best, 28bytes (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the format to do the bare minimum in a way others can help tidy it up:
 * Note the space between the URL and "Some text" - if the URL has a space in it, just skip the "Some text" part - usually it's the article title or additional information. R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 21:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note the space between the URL and "Some text" - if the URL has a space in it, just skip the "Some text" part - usually it's the article title or additional information. R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 21:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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