User talk:Makalp/archive sept2006

monitoring
Can you oversee the Erzurum page to block Khoikhoi's disruption and his asswipe Shelly Kinney's cover up for it? Thanks'

Recent page moves
Please do not make unilateral page moves, as you did to Patriarch of Constantinople. Something like that will require consensus. I therefore reccomend that you go to WP:RM and follow the procedure there. Thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 00:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If u take a look in Etymology of Istanbul u will see that this is not the city's name in all languages in the world. And in the case of Greek language and Greek people, the name 'Istanbul' was not, is not and (i guess) will never be in use... As for the sports clubs, they both were founded when even the official name of that city was not Istanbul (id est prior to 1930). as for the Ecumenical Patriarch, his title is '... of Constantinople, New Rome,...' there is no 'New Rome' either, but u cannot change a title just cause u do not like it... Apropos, the Ecumenical Patriarch has been officially using this title for almost 1,5 millenium, u cannot ask to use a name for the Ecumenical Patriarch, which is official for less than a century (and in use for less than half a millenium)... In addition, noone calls him 'Ecumenical Patriarch of Istanbul' in the world... maybe only Turkey, but they delete the 'Ecumenical' thing... Anyway, just leave the article as it is, cause u are attempting to introduce a title that noone accepts, noone uses and noone recognises... U said: This is an onesided and improper attempt to change the name of a Turkish city. it's not... It happened quite the opposite some decades ago... it was also a turkish city that time, but Kemal did not like the name Kostantiniyye. Regards Hectorian 15:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Heybeli Ada/Chalki
(Also posted to User talk:Hectorian and WP:RM) A total confusion emerged over Chalki and Heybeli Ada created, I guess, by you. I (ultimately) fixed it, including single and double redirects, except that Chalki and Chalki (Greek island) are now forks; the latter should be redirected. I don't hold any position on correct naming, except that (obviously) Heybeli Ada and Chalki are distinct islands, first in Marmara sea and second in Dodecanese, so I moved them to those respective articles. Please check what you're doing in the future. RegardsDuja 12:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Pontus Rum "soykırımı"
Merhaba, Mustafa. Do not blank articles like you did to Pontian Greek Genocide. I admit the article is extremely biased, but don't blank it, that is vandalism. If you think it's biased, why don’t you try rewriting it to make it more neutral - see the article's talk page as well. --Telex 16:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Foreign names
Hi, if you look at earlier discussions, I'm always very much in favour of including foreign placenames on the slightest pretext of relevance. In the case of Thessaloniki, we definitely should have the name "Selanik". But: We already do! It's there, just two sentences further down in the text, together with the others. (In the city article, that is, I'm not talking about the prefecture article. The prefecture as such has no special relevance for Turks.) What I'm opposing is the obsessive desire to see particular foreign placenames in the very first sentence, right after the main name, in cases where other solutions work just as well. Regards, Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm reverting your most recent changes to the Istanbul articles. Moving that name from the one page into the other really makes no sense in that case. Please be more careful getting consensus for such changes in future. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Lutfen Turkçe/Yunanca isimleri ekleyip/çikarmadan once o makalenin talk sayfasina bakiniz, bu konuda kesinlikle bir tartisma olmustur.. It is obvious that Istanbul is Turkish, having the Greek one doesn't make it any less. In any case please seek concensus in the talk page before doing such edits.. As an encyclopedia Wikipedia has to be inclusive.. On the other hand please add the Turkish name to the Thessaloniki article.. If Istanbul article has the Greek name, Thessaloniki should have the Turkish one right? :)) Kolay gelsin... Baristarim 17:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Also please review WP:3RR. &mdash; Khoikhoi 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You can have a look at Naming_conventions and Naming_conventions_%28geographic_names%29 to familiarize yourself with the general guidelines of Wikipedia.. Cheers! Baristarim 17:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ben de ilk geldigim zaman bazi konularda boyle dusunmustum.. :)) Ben de bazi makalelerde, ozellikle Rum soykirimi gibi, çok rahatsiz oluyorum.. epey bir yardima ihtiyacimiz oldugu kesin, son zamanlarda ben ve baska bir Turk kullanici o makalede degisiklik yapmaya calisiyoruz, ama ne yazik ki kolay degil :)) tabi ki her iki tarafin da asiriligina dur dememiz gerekiyor, ne yazik ki Wikipedia'nin kendi kurallari içinde hareket etmemiz ve herseyi sabirla yavas yavas yapmamiz lazim, yani concensus, it could be hard but it is very rewarding.. Wikipedia onemli bir proje.. Her neyse Wikipedia'ya hosgeldin diyeyim!! Baristarim 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Selanik
Good.. I will also revert any attempts to remove it.. Baristarim 18:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Ok, no problems.. Just let me know with any info that you have.. But let me warn you, :)), the tension in that article is extreme to the maximum.. It can take days just to change a sentence sadly.. It is sad because it stops a healthy debate taking place... Sabir.. :) Don't get discouraged at times when the debate seems blocked, because Wikipedia is a site that gets billions of hits everyday.. Yep that's right.. And also try not to get drawn too much into negative arguments, also have a look at non-controversial articles and try to improve them from time to time... Bana da oldugu için biliyorum, tartismaktan baska birsey yapamadigim seyler oldu.. :) Watchlist'ini de istedigin makalelerdeki en son degisiklikleri gormek için kullan.. Boylece bir makaleye vandalism oldugu zaman onu daha çabuk gorme firsatin olur. Ataturk ve Turkiye makalelerine her gun birileri aptalca sey yazarlar 'he was an idiot', 'they eat turkeys' vs gibi.. Ne yazik ki isimiz kolay degil :))Baristarim 18:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Seljuk
It is a photo of the site of the Temple of Artemis, as the caption makes clear. Thanks for telling me the names of the buildings in the background. Adam 10:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

My humble opinion
I have the impression that you will try to headdive into the most contentious issues right off the bat.. Bunu tavsiye etmem, inan bana o kadar tartismanin oldugu makalelerde degisiklikler çok uzun sure surebilir ve de yeni katilanlarin seslerini duyurmasi çok zor olabilir.. Bence ilk once yapilmasi gereken Turkiye ile ilgili makaleleri genel olarak iyilestirmeye çalismak, mesela Yunanlilarin nasil çalistigini biliyormusun? .. :)) Just an advice.. There are many other articles about Turkey that could be created or expanded.. But it is your choice.. Cheers!Baristarim 23:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There was already such an intiative that, sadly, failed .. On the other hand, I would have no problem if it were revived.. Ama genelde de-facto bir kooperasyon var, su bakimda, zamanla kullanicilar birbirini tanidiklari için genel bir concensus olusuyor.. Ama yine de formel bir komisyon olmasi daha iyi ve daha verimli olur... Baristarim 14:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming Conventions
If you bother to take a look at the etymology page of Istanbul, you ll see the Greek name. If there had been a big Greek population in Istanbul, it would be logical to have it in Istanbul article. But, there are less than 2000 Greeks in Istanbul. What is your reason to have the Greek name in the first sentence of the Istanbul article? Osmanaral 02:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

TRWT
Ok, no problems.. Daha ilk defa bu cumhuriyetin ismini duydum, demek ki aslinda kendi tarihimizi ne kadar az biliyoruz bazen :) Baristarim 17:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Republic of Western Thrace
Mustafa, i do not disagree with u. in fact, i am saying the same thing: insert all the material from "Gumuljine Republic" to "Turkish Republic of Western Thrace", and then propose "Gumuljine Republic" for speedy deletion, since there is no reason to have it. i editted the 'merge proposal', not, in fact, to discuss about it, but to draw attention that we now have 2 articles about the same subject, with one of them being titled under a dummy/artificial name (as u correctly said). i will not place any remark again, just remember to ask for its deletion after u are down with the info transfer. and pls, do not say assuming that you will ve judicious, cause it sounded as if i am trying to do something bad there! Selam and Γεια. Hectorian 17:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Tamam Mustafa, no problem:). misunderstanding always happen. i do not know if we should keep "Gumuljine Republic" as a redirect to this article (i honestly never heard the term, but if u think it is good, fine by me). as for deletion or redirect, i am not sure how we can do this. if i am not wrong, only admins can delete an article. Selam Hectorian 17:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Mustafa, I noticed your talk with Hectorian. I see your signature is unlinked. If that was not done on purpose, then feel free to pay a visit to my Signature shop, so that I can make a cool signature for you. Salam! •N i k o S il v e r•  19:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Convention on naming Turkish-Greek places
Sounds a good idea. and perhaps it is one of the few ways we have to solve this issue if not once for all, at least for a long time. I will have to think about it for a while, but i do find the proposal rather interesting:). btw, i tried to redirect "Gumuljine Republic", but i didn't make it... Selam Hectorian 19:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Things to be discussed
Selam Mustafa, I agree as well. As for Samsun, I've removed it, as it's not really necessary anyways. As for "Turkish spoken countries", I removed the page not only because the page didn't exist, but because I don't think such an article should be created. Any of this information (which countries have Turkish-speakers) can already be found in the Turkish language article. This would also led to people creating related articles about every single language, and I think it's redundant info. As for the Turkish-Greek places, what specific articles do you object to having the Greek/Armenian/Kurdish name? Kolay gelsin. :-) &mdash; Khoikhoi 20:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Selam
Ozur dilerim, epeydir mesgulum o yuzden cevap yazamadim.. umarim hersey yolundadir.. TR Western Thrace'i gordum, diger Gumulcine Cumhuriyeti makalesinin ona aktarilmasi gerekiyor zannedersem (merge falan filan denince biraz kafam karisti da :))).. Ama iyi isi yapmissin, dedigim gibi ben de bu ulkeyi daha yeni duyuyorum.. :)) Turkçe/Yunanca isimler komisyonu için seninle ayni fikirdeyim, diger baska bazi Yunanlilara da bildirmissin, iyi olmus, onlar da bu konuyu dusunsunler ki su soruna bir çozum bulalim.. Ben de Turk anayasalarini inceleyip onlari aktarmakla mesgulum, su ana kadar Turk Anayasasi Constitution of Turkeyi yeniden yazip Turkish Constitution of 1921i yazdim.. Insan yoruluyor ama ne yapalim.. Umarim WikiProjectTurkey'i de biraz daha aktif hale getirebiliriz.. Eger herhangi bir konuda yardim edebilecegim bir sey varsa elimden geleni yaparim.. Gozlemledigim kadari ile ilk basta izleme ondan sonra yapici sorun çozme bulmaya çalisma metodunu seçmissin, that's good! Ben de ilk geldigimde epey basim agriyacak gibi oldu, ama ilk once ortami ogrenmek en iyisi, yoksa valla adamin akil sagligini bozabilir burasi, edit savaslari vs :))).. Kolay gelsin! Baristarim 02:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ayrica yerinde olsam user:mitsos ciddiye almazdim, kendisi, kendi itirafiyla ve user sayfasinda yer alan bilgilere gore, beyaz ve Yunan irkçisidir.. Sayfasi irkçi yazi ve templatelarla dolu, bir ara zamanin olursa bak.. Kendi soylemiyle Wiki'ye katilmasinin tek nedeni Yunanlilari yuceltmek ve Turkleri kuçuk gostermek.. Yani arada bir bu tiplerle de ugrasmak zorunda kalabiliyoruz :)) Baristarim 07:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Seljuq_dynasty
Iki tane iranli durmadan bu sayfayi karistirip Selcuklular Turk degil Iranliydi, Turkçe degil Iranca konusuyorlardi babinda laflar ekliyorlar, bu yuzden sayfa protected oldu, bir tek bazi yabanci tarihçiler onlari onlemeye calisyorlar ne yazik ki hiç Turk yok.. Ben de daha yeni goruyorum.. Talk page'i feci POV dolu.. Sayfa biraz ilgiye ihtiyaç duyabilir.. POV pushing, eh? Read this even non-Turkish historians had enough!! Baristarim 02:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)