User talk:Makeandtoss/Archive 14

Incomplete DYK nomination
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Nomination of Autostrad (band) for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Autostrad (band)


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April 2024
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CS1 error on 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel
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You messed up the intro.
Hi Makeandtoss,

Take a look at this edit you made: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammad_Reza_Zahedi&oldid=1218871564

You destroyed the structure of the intro.

In the first paragraph you say he previously commanded, but what he currently commands is written in the third paragraph? Makes no sense. I will revert for now and you can figure out a way to do what you wanted to do, but this does not work.

Alexysun (talk) 16:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay wait not only did you separate the sentence. You literally removed any mention of what he currently commands. So the third paragraph is abruptly about the Quds Force when it was never mentioned that he currently commands it.
 * Alexysun (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would expect better assumption of good faith by not accusing other editors who are trying to improve Wikipedia of "destroying" anything. I did not "remove" anything; I moved the information to another lede paragraph. You can keep him commanding Quds Force in the opening paragraph; but please move the terrorist designation from the opening paragraph as it goes against MOS:OPEN, which states the opening paragraph must be kept general and neutral (as I had clearly and explicitly stated in my edit summary). Makeandtoss (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Makeandtoss: You can be acting in good faith and still destroy something. Don't take it personally.
 * I read your edit summary. Sure I guess. Alexysun (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It is objective to be "destroying" something, and I personally think you "destroyed" the opening paragraph by inserting a POV into it. I am glad you agree; do you want to move that material or want me to do it? Makeandtoss (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Makeandtoss Actually I spoke with some other editors and they said that MOS:OPEN was not really broken by that statement that Quds Force is a terrorist org. I guess it's a keep! You may go talk to them if you would like. Join the Wikipedia Discord. Alexysun (talk) 06:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as developing consensus on WP discord, if you want to create consensus this happens on the article's talk page. I am moving this discussion there now. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mistamystery (talk) 17:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Flour massacre
Hi Makeandtoss, you would know why the edits were made if you read the edit history. It is not normal practice to debate conflicting claims by participants in the Infobox — just to present them without comment. The 4:22 timing is based on one video, which means using the singular, not the plural — however verified it is. Utilisateur19911 (talk) 09:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If there are differing facts, then these are not facts but claims; and if we have one verified claim and another debunked claim, then the former is a fact and the latter is propaganda. Not sure why the propaganda was inserted in the infobox rather than the fact. Either way better to remove both and keep this to the lede as Selfstudier has done. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Itamar Ben-Gvir
Hi there,

I saw you restored my change with respect to the portrait photo he kept in his living room. I don't have a massively strong opinion on it, but can you explain here why you think it should be in the lead? --Jabbi (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

History of Palestinian journalism
Hi, I noticed that, despite your article on the History of Palestinian journalism, we don't have one on Palestinian journalism already. Would it be appropriate to make it a general article on Palestinian journalism by moving the page and deleting the first three words? — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 22:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * as you can notice, the article is more focused on the past rather than current period. I was actually considering changing the scope to History of Palestinian print journalism and moving the rest into a new Palestinian journalism. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

You reverted my factually accurate update to the Israel page
It's crucial to remember to refrain from making edits based solely on personal emotions. Editing Wikipedia articles should be grounded in verifiable facts and supported by reliable sources. This helps maintain the integrity and neutrality of the information presented.

It's an indisputable fact that 77% of the British Mandate for Palestine was utilized to establish Jordan on April 11th, 1921. EdmHopLover1995 (talk) 13:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Seek consensus on that article’s talk page, not here. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

AE result
First, I want to start with an apology. No one should be on the hook for a month waiting for a disciplinary process to work its way out. That sucks, and we should be better at that. As a part of that process, I'm sorry.Moving on, there is a consensus that your behavior fell below the required level required when editing in contentious topics. This is your final warning that continuing such behavior will result in sanctions, as it almost did in this case. If another situation arises like the RFC feel free to reach out to me. I'd rather head things off before they become another battleground, and I much prefer being able to address things with a few words than warnings and sanctions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * From my side, it was apparent to me that you took a lot of time and effort in evaluating the merits of the request and its extension, and even beforehand with the discussions on the article's talk page and your own, and for that I thank you, along of course with all the other participating admins at AE.
 * Indeed, a month had been too long to stay on the hook, so thank you for the acknowledgement and the apology, I also really sincerely appreciate that and shows really commendable administrative spirit. And of course, I will make sure to consult when faced with similar tricky situations. I personally don't think however that it was a problem with AE as much as it was with the length and purpose of the extended request.
 * That aside, WP:Battleground is quite an extensive definition (holding grudges, importing personal conflicts, carrying on ideological battles, nurturing prejudice, hatred, or fear, or insulting, harassing or intimidating others.) My editing behavior is respectful and I do not believe that I have engaged in most of these actions. Would you be so kind to more specifically and clearly elaborate the issue in the warning, like you did here "behavior fell below the required level required when editing in contentious topics"? It seems to me as more descriptive; I would really appreciate it. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * BATTLEGROUND does indeed cover a lot of editing, so although I think your behavior was covered broadly by BATTLEGROUND I've adjusted the statement at AE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)