User talk:Makedonia

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Some alterations
I've removed the following from your user page. I hope you don't object too strongly. In principle I would have no problem with a "United Macedonia" userbox, or paragraph of text. However in the current form, it is far too inflammatory. I'm sure you are aware that the yellow-on-red '91-'95 flag is inflammatory, so I have removed the largest incarnation. If you look at the changes User:Asteraki has made, I think this is quite equitable. If you have a problem with anything on his userpage, please bring it up at the noticeboard. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 10:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Makedonia, although I really do not agree with some of your views, that's beside the point. The point is to put pages in line with the WP:USER policy, or in short, to avoid sensitive political topics, because of the collaborative and neutral nature of the project. Similar efforts are done to keep Greek user pages moderate. Also, you might want to check out Vlatkoto's user page for other ways of expressing your United Macedonia attitude. (I'm writing in English, so that everybody could understand what I'm saying). Also, sorry that I didn't engage in that Stan Lazaridis dispute - I know next to nothing about him, and I kind of want to concentrate on more important topics, such as Goce Delchev, Jane Sandanski etc. However, the e-mail is making this dispute really fun :-). Поздрав! --FlavrSavr 15:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Very funny...
... your Demosthenes quote. I've got a better one at my page ;-) --Telex 18:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought Demosthenes was a politician... --Telex 22:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Is that so? Hmm... so you mean the politician Demosthenes meant what he said, whereas Gligorov said that, but was really thinking Македонија на Македонците? I'm not sure - how do I know that Demosthenes wasn't lying for political purposes. I mean we don't hear him saying "the Persians are unrelated to the Greeks", or any other people who really were unrelated. The fact he said that merely proves that everyone else thought that the Ancient Macs were Greeks, and D was trying to convince them otherwise. Anyway, who knows... :-) --Telex 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, didn't that statement of Gligorov's make him lose votes? --Telex 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Offensive
Can you explain how Telex's quote is offensive please. - FrancisTyers 23:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Ohrid
Ok, nema problem, mozebi ke izmenam nekoi raboti, no sega nemam vreme imam ispiti. BTW sto im dopustat na onie da si igraat so tvojava stranica, vrati si ja kartata i i kazi da ne se pravat drveni advokati ;-).--Vlatko 15:21, 06 June 2006 (UTC)

Lazarides
I felt I had to let you know as well, since I mentioned your name at Greasysteave13 talk page; I hope you do not mind:

Last month Greece played a friendly football match against Australia. Stan Lazaridis was cheered by Australian Greeks as a fellow Australian Greek and the Greek team, namely Georgios Seitaridis, treated him as such. One must presume that since user Makedonia identifies with Lazaridis, he must be Greek himself.

Also, see article : Greek interest on omogeneia football player Stan Lazaridis. 05 Jun 2006 09:47:00 Greek-Australian, 33 year-old football player, Stan Lazaridis revealed that Greece and Cyprus football teams have made interesting proposals with that of Greece being most attractive. However, he did not rule out the possibility of playing in an Australian team since he has proposals from three teams, Newcastle, whose coach is Greek Nikos Theodorakopoulos, Perth and Adelaide. At the moment he said “ the focus of my interest is Australian National team and my participation in the World Cup Finals. P o l i t i s   (T)


 * I assume you do not have to be a Slav Macedonian to play in a Slav Macedonian team in Australia. In London there exists a small Greek Cypriot football league and Greek Cypriot football teams. The players do not have to be Greek, there are British black players, the occasional Turkish Cypriot player, etc...


 * Regarding 'Voden', you mean Edessa. I accept the appelation 'Voden' in Slavic languages. Also, I do not refer to Bitola as 'Monastir' or to Skopje as 'Uskub' or to Tetovo as 'Kalkandelen' or 'Tetova'.


 * As for playing both for Australian Greek and Slav Macedonian teams, a person can feel both Greek and Slav Macedonian - in fact, many do and some have suffered at the hands of Slav Macedonian extremists (and vice versa, of course). There is no law that says if you are a Slav Macedonian Greek, then you have to identify with Skopje's national construct, that you have to be a Makedonski and that is that. For instance, presumably you do not want to be identified as a Bulgarian. I respect that. But the vast majority of Greek Slavophones or bi-linguals do not want to be identified as 'ethnic Macedonians'  as defined by the Slav Macedonian authorities in Skopje. I hope you can come to terms with that and accept there are difference between the citizens of ROM/FYROM and the Greek bilinguals of (Greek) Macedonia.    P o l i t i s    (T)


 * I do not feel it is my place to edit the national identity of a living person. But I am curious to see what make you so certain that he is of 'Macedonian (ethnic group)' origin? Perhaps his ancestor considered themselves just Greeks or Bulgarians or Slavophones or just Greek Orthodox members of the Rum miliet.   P o l i t i s    (T)

Hi there. Thanks for trying to compromise. The problem with this article is that Stan Lazaridis is a real person, with a real ethnic background. He cannot be both Slav and Greek Macedonian, just because everybody has to be pleased. I would suggest we completely remove any reference to both our countries and just say he is Australian. --   Avg     20:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

CG Wikipedia
Hey Makedonia, there is currently a vote for a version of Wikipedia in Montenegrin. If you want to vote, go to Requests for new languages. There you can vote. Ask your friends on Wikipedia (if you have any) who haven't voted to vote. Thanks. Crna Gora ( Talk / Contribs /Edit Count) 21:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Lazaridis
Could you take a look at the latest additions to WP:MWNB. --Telex 09:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Question and objection
My objection is that your user page reads like a POV statement and fringes on propaganda. I think that goes against Wikipedia policy.

Question, You support a united Macedonia and the Vinozhito-Rainbow Party. I think that party also supports it, do you have any quotes that it supports a united M? I mean, is that your impression also? thanks Politis 14:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Здраво
Типов ZoguShqiptar700 постојано ја вандализира страницата за Македонија, кој може да го блокира? Поздрав --Ditirambo 09:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Уште нешто ако може да те замолам? Ја уредував малку мојата странива (Ditirambo) но не сум доволно добар во тоа, ако можеш да ми помогнеш да ја префрлам колоната со интереси и јазици на десната страна. Поздрав --Ditirambo 13:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Second Montenegrin Wikipedia proposal
I have started up a second proposal on the Montenegrin Wikipedia, I think it should be time to restart it. If you want to vote, the link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Montenegrin_2

Just wanted to let you know. Thanks again. --Crna Gora 06:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Your user page
Hi, we recently had an RfC about "political" user pages about Macedonia. The result was a strong reminder of WP:USER, which says: Hi Makedonas, there recently was a renewed discussion about "political" user pages of Macedonian users (see Requests for comment/Macedonia). Result was, several pages (User:Macedonia's and User:Vergina's) were deleted. Yours was mentioned too. Could you please remove the political material you have there? It's in breach of the WP:USER rules which say that "Extensive discussion not related to Wikipedia, [...] extensive personal opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia, [...] Other non-encyclopedic material" shouldn't be on user pages. Thanks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Duvalo
Hi, you created an article titled Duvalo last year. I came across this page in the course of my work on WikiProject Volcanoes. There are no references in this article, and I am unable to find any info about a volcano named Duvalo using Google. Please add some references so that this article meets the policy in WP:A and WP:RS.

In addition, it is very difficult to understand the poorly-written English, and many of the sentences are unclear. Even the first sentence, "Duvalo the sulphur find volcano is an active post-volcanic phenomenon", is almost impossible to understand. The words may be English, but "sulphur find volcano" has no discernible meaning. From your description, it appears that this may not be a volcano, but instead a sulfurous fumarole.

I'm sorry if my comments seem harsh, but you do claim to speak English at a near-native level (en-4) on your userpage, and yet this article is only at the en-2 level of wriiting. If you do now speak and write English at an en-4 level, please revise this article to an en-4 standard so that others may be able to understand it. Although I am a native English speaker, I am unable to understand this article well enough (nor can I find any references or sources) to try to improve it myself. Also, if you are not able to contribute to Wikipedia at an en-4 level, please consider placing a more realistic evaluation of your English skills on your user page.

Please do not be offended by my suggestions here. I am only trying to improve the article and Wikipedia by offering these suggestions for your consideration. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 04:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Macedonia template
There are several reasons why I think that template should be deleted. First of all, is a strong consensus on other templates in the past; but, that will not answer your question, so I will give you more reasons. In this case, the qualifiers are 8 or 10 games, right? Macedonia's team, or any other country's team, may not be the exact same for all of those games. In that case, which player is added to the template? For tournaments like the Euro finals, the World Cup, and others, the roster for all games is set, and can be verified. It is possible to build a list of those teams, but even then, the view on templates in every article is split (and, in the football project, the consensus is very much against adding templates for everything except the World Cup finals).

But, I am happy that Goce (Sedloski) has scored some goals for you. I live in Sendai, Japan, and met him when he played here. Neier 09:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I still think that the list in Republic of Macedonia national football team is sufficient. It also doesn't match the template in a few places. The qualifiers last so long, if the template is updated for the final team, then, what about the first game's players? Are they not in the template anymore? Isn't it better if they just have a link in the article like " played for the Republic of Macedonia in 5 qualifiers of the 2008 Euro"? And, what about Goce, in the next game (red card, so cannot play, so, he would be removed from the template?) Anyway, national teams are not as stable as club teams, and can change each week during busy times. That's why most national team templates are deleted.

I looked at 2008 UEFA European Football Championship qualifying Group E, to see if there was any place to add the roster information like you want; but, it looks like that it only lists goal scorers. Neier 00:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Could some wikipedia user please remove the offensive and inflamatory picture on the user page!
As greek citizen I found it very offensive, and I am sure most wikipedia users would find very offensive an image of a map containing portions of their country united geopolitically with another region, under the other countries flag and governance. This is unacceptable as it a thinly veilled call to arms. How ironic that this wishes to see a peaceful united macedonia by incorporating regions of Greece, a "peacefull united Macedonia" that will come about by imperialist war against Greece. It's like saying one is for a peaceful Alps region appropriated by any of the countries now incorporating parts of the Alps. Wouldn't you find it offensive (and that is a rhetorical question) if you visited a user page in wikipedia where your country of residence is coloured with another nations flag and incorporated there? I am trying to be as civil as possible here, abiding to wikipedia's rules, but I think that unless this user removes this picture he should be banned from the encyclopaedia. Last thing we need is ultra nationalist warmongers threatening other wikipedians national borders, safety and security, and using their encyclopaedia as a vessel for their propagandizing. 84.254.51.225 07:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about my friend, it has been removed from my page since May last year, chill out and get some frappe:)Makedonia 07:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to join wikiproject R. Macedonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_ROMacedonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capricornis (talk • contribs) 04:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might be interested in joining WikiProject R.Macedonia :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_ROMacedonia Capricornis 00:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello
You may be interested in this dispute. It involves the deletion of the historic song "Makedonsko Devoiche" aswell as the deletion of the epic songs: Zajdi, Zajdi Jasno Sonce, Jovano Jovanke, Uči me majko, karaj me, More Sokol Pie.

Ireland101 23:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Makedonsko Devojče
Hi. I am working on the Makedonsko Devoiche page and was wondering if you could add a Dutch translation. My reasons are on the talk page. Thanks. Alex 202.10.89.28 04:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Put it on the discussion page for now and we'll see if anyone has any objections. Alex 202.10.89.28 22:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it didn't work out. However, if you are active on the Macedonian or Dutch Wikipedias and it's not too much trouble could you add it there? I don't know of any Dutch Bulgarians so you may not have to edit it for a while if you create it. Alex 202.10.89.28 08:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Please don't quit
You probably won't see this but DON'T QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're letting the cunts win. Make the articles the way they should be. We need to keep on editing and revert them over and over because they won't stop. What else can we do? Don't let Wikipedia be like what's happening in real life. At least you tried. I salute you. Alex 202.10.89.28 06:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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I thought you quit......
are you back? Alex (202.10.89.28)  Balkan Fever  07:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hehe yeah, i was thinking alot, and i have much sparetime so i started againMakedonia (talk) 19:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay! BTW, take a look at the improved WP:MKD. It's really coming together.  Balkan Fever  23:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I see you've taken a look :-)  Balkan Fever  01:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, looks good! Makedonia (talk) 11:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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List of Ethnic Macedonians
Actually, if you notice, there's a separate list of ancient Macedonians (that even states: "This is a list of ancient Macedonians (Greek: Μακεδόνες, Makedónes), whose level of kinship with the Greeks is debated", which is pretty NPOV). Hence, they don't belong in the article that you put them in which is why I reverted you. Excuse the 'fuck no'. Btw, of course it's not up to me to decide, it's just that "Macedonian" can be used in a million different contexts that you might be confusing. 3rdAlcove (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's allright and fine with me that there is a seperate ancient macedonians topic, but then why is the greek word for Makedones added? if so you should add the Macedonian word makedonci too. Second, Than Alexander the great and the rest of the ancient macedonians should be removed from the list of greeks page too for the same reason. otherwise it is not fair, and clearly another sign of greek gang shaping conspiracy on wikipedia, who only edit articles how they like them to be. And if it is debated, then why the alexander the great wiki page mentions, that he is greek and only greek?? Fairness, reality and the truth are still too far away from wikipedia, and i am again wondering why im here. Makedonia (talk) 22:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Greek word is added because that's the original word used to refer to ancient Macedonians. "Makedonci" would be irrelevant in an ancient context, your ideas of 'Macedonian' continuity notwithstanding. As for Alexander being called a "Greek", see the Talk Page to Alexander the Great. I was in favour of changing the intro to simply "king of Macedon" per Future's suggestion but other users -not just Greek users, I might add- were in favour of keeping it as it is (which really isn't that POV considering Alexander's education and the overall hellenization of the royal house). 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)'

There is a difference between Hellenization and to be 'Greek'. Hellenization is somewhat to be compared as today is the western world and the western influence, so i don't see that as a argument to portray them as Greeks. The hellenic world is like today the western world is, the hellenic language back then was the lingua franca, is like today the english language is the lingua franca of the western world. France and England, Germany etc.... all belong to the western world,and took the western influence, does that mean they are all the same people?? No they aren't.Makedonia (talk) 10:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (rom) people are unrelated and ancient macedonians were ancient greeks not something else.Any theory or proposal to link them with slavic,bulgarian,albanian or any such populations is Fringe.Not even illyrian,thracian or phrygian are eligible anymore in science and the sense is that they were a minor marginal greek doric tribe.Even if they were lets say Phrygians and were hellenised in 800 bc or 400 bc they became Greeks proper they didnt just gained trendy ancient greek fashion.Megistias (talk) 12:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * So you discard NPA warnings. Any chance you edit your offensive userpage? Do you really want to give more weapons to the sleazy "greeks"?--   Avg     17:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of File:Ohrid municipality map.PNG


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Proposed deletion of File:RV I PVO.PNG


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Nomination of Touriya Haoud for deletion
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